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>> we're just telling it like it is, dylan. no lies. we're following your lead. >> we have a big show. it starts right now. a delightful monday afternoon to you from manhattan. we have a fun program for you today. the big story obviously is the news. our friends, our enemies and those who scare us but we may not know what is happening. the u.s., and israel long time allies. the president today had to work an effort to reassure prime minister benjamin netanyahu that all of us are on the same page when it comes to dealing with threats from iran. >> we'll always have israel's back. it's in the united states' interest to prevent iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon.
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we believe there's a window that allows for a diplomatic resolution to that issue. but the iranians regime has to make a decision. when i say all options are on the table, i mean it. >> israel must have the ability always to defend itself, by itself, against any threat. when it comes to israel's security, israel has the right, the sovereign right to make its own decisions. israel must reserve a right to defend itself. >> clear language relative to a scary idea. iran with a nuclear weapon. the two leaders, who being benjamin netanyahu and president obama, have not always had the easiest relationship. once again looking less than comfortable in their narrative together, we'll get into the politics of the u.s./israeli relationship coming up with the mega panel. this will focus on the presidential election, but once again, the rhetoric sounds more and more like israel at least is
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escalating threats that a strike on iran may be in the cards. then today new nbc survey showing by matter of popular opinion, which is an interesting way to assess these things, but the majority of americans want to take military action in iran if iran continues towards a nuke. that said, only a fifth of those polled want americans taking that action. they prefer israeli action. these are the polls that depends how you ask these questions. what's clear, however, that you and i can agree to today is that tensions between israel and iran are at multi-year highs around fear that it may not be a question of if israel will find itself at war with iran, but whether and how that will be averted in assessing the sexual threat in iran and ghinish iing it. keep in mind, all of this is against a background of an already existing lower tension level that's a war between
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israel and iran. back and forth with diplomatic attacks and iran saying israel assassinated their nuclear scientists. to dig into this further with a specific agenda for a threat assessment from iran and towards the stability that we have in a relationship to influence israel's fear of iran, which we presume is influenced by that assessment we start with anthony schaffer and rama ballup. tony, i want to start with you. the number one thing is the tension levels are at multiyear highs. fear is the number one liability. you have one actor in israel that is easily provoked as it pertains to escalated fear, and it would seem the best way to deal with that directly is an accurate and reliable threat assessment as to what it is iran is doing.
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do we have the capacity to execute that threat assessment? >> we do, but there's always plit tieization of that process. we knew five years that the north koreans had a nuclear weapon before we publically admitted it. so you see all these efforts going on. there's this he said/she said. the north koreans have probably shared their intelligence with iran. they have had a deficit of hard currency. the iranians have a dert of nuclear technology. do we really think they haven't talked to each other? there's evidence that the north koreans have sold a missile. >> so let me stop you there from a threat assessment standpoint. your logic is rational and understandable. your suggestion is that the rational thing to assess is what you're saying is know what you're assessing. you're saying what you're assessing is an oil-rich nation
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with strong ties to an ally who possesses nuclear technology so they can theoretically utilize oil money for nuclear information. so how do you answer my question, which is, how do i create and publicize a threat assessment of iran-based reality considering what you just offered? >> we have to understand that there's over 300 nuclear sites that we know of. now the israelis would have to take all of those out. how we assess the threat is we know they are producing nuclear weapon material. they are going in that direction. we don't know that. now the other thing we have to look at regarding intent is both sides take the iranian government as an extreme. there's elements within the government who are as rational as you and i.
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others are loanny. >> developing a particular narrative with an objective towards a threat assessment that ties to a fear-jgenerating factr that influences israel's behavior. where are we wrong? what's wrong with the narrative we just portrayed? how would you elaborate on it? >> well, let's put the media bluster into a bit of perspective. every year when you have the annual apac conference you'll have a senior member of the israeli leadership visit washington. there's going to be a lot of rattling about how israel is just jumping to attack iran and how the u.s. is holding israel back. threats remember the reality here. you don't telegraph a strike in such a manner. there's a lot of pr purpose. secondly, it's not easy to strike iran. israel alone cannot take out all of these facilities that iran has in its nuclear program, much
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less devastate their capabilit capabilities on their own. the first thing on the u.s. president's mind is the u.s. economy. and the iranian supreme leader just very recently articulated iran's foreign policy strategy. the idea that iran has to do very little perception wise just to shake those oil markets. that's a a valuable tool that iran uses and is using every day. so for the sake of the u.s. voter at the gas pump, president obama is trying to deny iran that leverage in raising those gas prices every time an iran cleric mentions hormuz. that's a critical factor to keep in mind. >> so you have two wild cards. the crowd in america who likes to blow stuff up and it feels
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good, at least politically. then you have israel, both of whom at least carry the energy of advocating around military intervention that may be a political side show and may be a reality and no one can make that assessment. the question for both of you to end this conversation is what decisions can we all make and look for and reveal and advocate today to increase the probability of diminished fear intention as opposed to escalated fear intention knowing that you have a political force in america that likes to saber r rattle and a force in israel that likes to do the same thing and a political force in iran that enjoys doing the same thing for the pleasure of the oil markets. tony? >> i would do three things. first i would say if i were president obama, these are the things we hold sacred. you cross these, you will see military action. second, continue to get our allies to put pressure on north
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koreans to back off and actually do something useful for a change. maybe even strike up a deal with the russians to do more together. third, we have to get israel to understand we have their back. but them taking action would be far worse than anything they could ever do in regards to working with us. so we need a united front going forward. >> same thing. a political dynamics of the governments and at the same time the reality of the societies relative to an aspiration to cool the tension from our perspective in this conversation over the next five to ten years if such a thing is even remotely possible. >> and to add to that, i would say that there's an important need to empathize with the adversary. iran likes to talking aggressively, but has been
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pragmatic in actions. when you think about it, iran benefits a lot from this perception of being very close to having a nuclear weapon. not that close to where it forces the adversary to act upon you, but close enough to be taken seriously. that's a game that the north koreans played. so the trick to this is, you know, whether it's a strategic truce or an accommodation that the united states has to seek out, it has to control the perception in the oil markets. the key to that is first understand i understanding where iran is coming from and what is it likely to do putting all of the saber rattling in perspective. >> all right. listen. your point unspoken is that it's very injurious for iran to shut down the strait of hormuz considering the size of bankroll that comes through that bad boy every day. >> absolutely. but it's the strongest lemplg they have and it's highlighting that and that has an effect.
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>> listen. thank you for helping me through this conversatio and helping our audience through understanding some of this, which is some of the more difficult and scary material that we deal with in our political conversation. i thank you guys for your discipline and for your insight. tony schaffer, thank you. count down to super tuesday politically in america. we all like a good comeback story, but come on, people, let's face facts. you know who the republican nominee for president is. it's just about their denial now. the mega panel joins us. plus another horror story. our specialist usen an anecdote of horror to advance his argument that the too much security is the threat that we are most suffering from, both financially and culturally. and later, the man who founded the x prize foundation.
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it does seem like everybody in cable tv -- what has been everybody has been waiting for is upon us. we are less than 48 hours away from super tuesday. what we're discussing is the fact that folks are finally admitting that mitt romney will be the man nominated to be the republican candidate for president of the united states
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to run against barack obama in 2012. on sunday two established republicans, house majority leader eric cantor and dr. tom coburn threw their support behind him. this as today's nbc news "wall street journal" poll has romney leading doesn't look like much, but it's very consistent. 38% over 32% over santorum. paul and gingrich at the bottom at 13% at this point. the money has long been on romney when you look at the capital markets and their views and how they express them. then at the bottom of that chain, you look at intrade where people can put their money behind their opinion. they have had mitt romney's chances of being the nominee 80 to 90% for months. let's bring in the mega panel. imogen lloyd webber, tim carney,
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and mr. cedar. he will be the nominee according to the math. and there's a lot of denial about the fact that that's what's going on. this is a very close race. but it's a consistently close race that breaks towards romney all the time. >> two things we have been waiting for. can romney break above 50%. he hasn't really done that. if newt drops out, santorum could beat him. but ron paul is not going away. that's not as relevant. these guys drop out because they can't get money. but as long as sheldon adelson and foster frieze says there's a game, there's a game. >> we keep producing more events because of foster and shelley to see if there's a different outcome.
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well i'm going to keep gambling. that suggests denial to me. >> i think there's just a genuine sort of dislike of mitt romney in the republican party. i think there's also a quality. it's time to look beyond the presidential election. we have lost. >> yes. but here we are. >> a better sense in 24 hours or maybe 36 hours. >> you get the last word. i'm not surprise d because i've been listening to you. the person who raises the most money wins and that man is romney. $3.6 million in ohio. santorum is only spending $500,000. for the general election, who can raise the most money there? the person who raises the most money wins because we have been listening to you, dylan. teacher's pet. >> well done.
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a plus for your analysis. well done. let's talk about something else we don't know how to solve, shall we? obviously, you heard the conversation i had before with tony. it's obvious iran is enjoying the ability to really scare the living daylights out of everybody by suggesting they could have a nuclear weapon and that creates this huge oil market variance and everybody throws into action in the media. we don't even know if they mean it. we don't have the ability to tell the difference. so you get the difference responses. everybody wants the president to do something. they want israel to do things. then we have our political leaders who want to do things and so i would like to hear what you'd like to do. before i do that, i want to give you a smattering of some of your leaders and what they would like to do. >> it's pretty straight forward. if barack obama gets reelected, iran will have a nuclear weapon and the world will change.
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>> the best thing that could happen in the world markets is iran without a nuclear weapon. >> so the republicans have an obvious incentive to use whatever is happening as political currency against the president. it's rach ral currency. at the end of the day, there's two questions. will this become an issue in the presidential election? and two, who is in the best position in the whole madness, all the connections in that network, to cool the tensions, which obviously all of us would like to see happen. >> the presidential election. i think the natural thing is to look to the jewish vote to say can republicans pick off more than the 22% of the jewish vote they got in the last presidential election. and i don't think that's a
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relevant question. i think how much is the van -- evangelical vote a factor. so much of the -- >> that doesn't surprise me. >> they are not going to vote. >> i've never seen any data to that effect, but that makes sense to me. >> every presidential election, we hear republicans are going to peel off some of the jewish vote. it's the second most reliable democratic vote out there. the real issue when it comes to when you see guys like santorum talking hawkish is to appeal to the christian's eye. >> the economy matters more to everyone. so if the economy starts failing because of foreign policy,
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that's when there's a problem. so if oil prices go up, it causes a problem. but every voter, it's the economy. >> the benefit of this chatter, it it benefits iran. >> now it's great for iran. >> domestically speaking, it benefits benjamin netanyahu. it benefits leaders in this country and in europe because they are not dealing with the real crisis. we're making up another issue. >> but to that end, you have china and russia who are basically enabling iran. and you have iran with every incentive to scare everybody senseless because it helps them make more money. they may or may not mean it. hopefully we'll never find out. is there even something -- forget the world. if you're advising the president of the united states, whoever it may be, how do you relate to that kind of a mess? >> for me, the nub of that question instead of answering it, i'm going to try to hone it
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down. the nub of that question is what is our obligation to israel and israel's obligation to us. ron paul says let's stop giving them aid. what most libertarians say, this idea that israel should have to check with us before attacking iran or doing whatever, they should be able to operate themselves. >> in a theoretical world, i can see that. but with those histories and that level of animosity. >> hawkish, jewish conservatives don't like that. >> how would you make sense of this? >> as an ally to israel, put them in check when we are about to do things. >> check yourself before you wreck result. >> it wasn't done in the lebanon in the bush administration. i think america has played that
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role in the past. that's a legitimate role for america to play. there are some things we can't fix. i don't think there's a potential move for us that's going to make us safer in attacking or encouraging an attack. >> you can keep it from getting hotter. last word. >> we don't know the half of it. but we do know we've been involved with iran for years. so it's terribly hard to congressmen tat on this. >> you have so little information. >> and benjamin netanyahu could be playing a game with us. we don't know. >> that is the truth. we don't know. but i appreciate your dissecting some of of it with me. as we accept not knowing, we may make smarter decisions sometimes. the panel stays. after this, the state of our country. how is our obsession with security creating dangers that are worse than the enemy we
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in the latest edition of tsa horror stories, the tsa issued a semi apology to the mother of a nine month-old who was forced to prove, the mother not the child, the mother was forced to prove that her breast milk pump worked in order to board an airplane. thank you for that. an embarrassing ordeal is one of the the prices we all pay for security today. another concrete figure we are paying for security is $25 billion in new fees that passengers who fly may be forced
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to pay over the next ten years to cover additional security costs for such breast milk pump testing. this of course, part of the president's latest budget pending in congress. $25 billion to you and some equipment review. still our specialist suggests that the greatest cost of the heightened security is actually seeding our liberties to what he calls our emergency state at the time when our ability to find each other on networks is our single greatest asset. joining us is david unger, author of "the emergency state." there are many costs for this. your point is to try to create proportional differentiation. educate us. because we can all talk about different things, but we don't have the analysis you're offering. tell us all how we should sigh iowa sign that to the things
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we're losing or risking by the security methods. >> the main thing we're losing is our constitution. a little here and a little there. privatized armies, fourth amendment gone to the water on terror. the federal budget gone to pentagon's appetites. it's a lot. and the money cost is actually more than what we're paying on defense. we pay a rep talgs cost in the world by acting not particularly wisely. >> so i'm going to ask another question. from a much more skeptical posture. okay fine. you have your list of expenses. that's unfortunate. the fact of the matter is there are small groups of easily-organized people who have negative intent for my country, america, and are capable of organizing from time to time as they see fit using this modern network to inflict mortal harm to me or my fellow citizens.
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and if you don't like the current methodology, what would you suggest as an alternative. >> intelligence, cooperation with allies, and weapons appropriate to the danger. i don't see how f-35 stealth fighters is going to help against that particular danger. new aircraft carriers. >> a more honest threat assessment with a targeted response. go ahead, tim. >> we accept in the u.s. that we will not have zero traffic fatalities. we're not going to go down to zero murders. the cost to get down to those are unacceptable, but in terrorism, we say that one attack would be completely devastate i devastating. if you were a politician and said i would trade off allow one terrorist attack every decade to have more freedom. is that politically possible to have policies that tolerate it at all? isn't the american public actually have zero tolerance for terrorist attacks? >> i think that's the big
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problem. i think there's a catechism of the emergency state that the public has learned and expects its politicians to give answers like zero. zero is not a rational answer in anything. if you try to get it, that's why the sub title talks about absolute security. you try to get absolute security, you don't get any securi security. you spend billions preparing for the wrong threats and get blind sided like 9/11. >> the emergency state is nothing new. how did it start? how did it begin in america? >> a little here, a little there. it's nothing new. it's just celebrated its 72nd anniversary. it started when franklin roosevelt was figuring out how to get into the north atlantic war. >> when problems are difficult to solve, whether it's bank reform or war, it's easier for leaders to resolve problems without having to deal with the
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apparatus of the congress and the democracy. go ahead. >> isn't one of the main drivers money? it seems we look at these police departments that have all sorts of gear, they are buying it from somebody. we don't need s.w.a.t. teams with automatic rifles on the steps of the virginia capital on a saturday to protect, i guess, nobody from somebody. but the money just drives this machine, it seems to me. in other words, is it a conscious desire to decrease freedoms? or it's profitable to do that? >> it's not a conscious desire to decrease our freedoms. money is finite. peoples' willingness to put out either taxes or deficits is finite. and it's the money crunch in washington right now that's finally making us start to come to terms with the budget. >> the interesting thing about that is really goes to tim's question, which is as long as we
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have a cultural expectation that is irrational, you're going to have irrational spending demands in any society. it's only when you actually have sort of that more profound understanding, which is that there's an unknown world, but we have all the new tools, these network tools that the bad guys use effectively. you can figure out lots of ways to do things with the modern network. we can use ourselves in our security, which i smoez suppose is your point. >> look how badly we did at assessing iraq by keeping it closed? by shutting out the decent from the state department. >> but that embarrasses -- what we're talking about embarrasses people and is not good political currency. it's stuck in a fear bubble. >> it's also another common threat which is politicians want
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more power. you can draw a direct connection from the bank bailouts and the global warming stuff to take a different angle. also the security state. they are not saying we want to take away the liberty from all the people, but that gives us a little more control over it. it's what bureaucrats both say. >> it's undone our idea of limited government. no politician makes a name for themselves. >> isn't the point of the constitution to defend the people against the government? isn't the reason -- in other words, when the constitution is confronted from a policy apparatus, that it is done in a mechanism that puts the people at risk because it's a mechanism to defend human beings relative to government. is that a fair assessment? >> yeah. the constitution comes from the same era of adam smith's wealth of nations. the breakthrough of both of those was not to pretend people
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were ideal and wonderful. take them as they are, and build an institutional checks and balances. >> the point is with the modern network, the capacity to affect that natural balancing has exploded and at the same time has created a remarkable threat to everybody out there, which is why we are lucky to be here. the fun time that we get to navigate this. it's an interesting time. thank you for your time today. congratulations on the book. thank you for being with us. thanks to the panel for a rewarding conversation today. thank you, guys. sam, tim, and imogen lloyd webber. in the twister's wake, we'll get a live report on the ground in america on the recovery effort and what is making cleanup of our nation's most recent natural disaster more of a challenge. ♪
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residents of towns in the midwest are picking up the pieces after the weekend of sdaedly storms. 39 people killed this weekend. nearly 80 tornadoes broke out. survivors in those communities were also hit by snow in indiana and in kentucky in the overnight. today's cold temperatures are making an already difficult recovery for these individuals and these towns more difficult. jay grey is in henryville, indiana, with the latest on what the greatest stresses are. what do they need the most is the question, jay? >> reporter: they need time and help. it's going to take a long time. obviously, the sun has come out. it's warmed up a bit. but there's still a touch of snow on the ground. you can see some of it here. the bitter temperatures this morning and now the slush of melted snow really adding insult to injury here. another slap in the face from mother nature after the string
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of deadly storms came through. a lot of people having to work through these conditions in areas like this that have been ripped apart and trying to find anything left of their lives. there's just a slab left of the house. it may look normal for you and i, but people that find this kind of thing, it's a god send. it's what keeps them going. it reminds them of what they had before the weather took it all away. they are going to have to continue to pour through this for a long time. then the heavy equipment comes in and they start the process of rebuilding. that's going to be very difficult. already talked to some who say they are not sure they can come back. but most in this community say they have to come back. they have to rebuild. they have to get things back to the way they were before the storm. knowing it will never be normal again, dylan. >> understood. again, keep us up to speed. we hope not only the insurance companies and the government are able to provide basic funding, but the community is able to
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apocalypse or renaissance k? that's my question for you. there's no question we're here at a time of explosive change and the need to adapt rapidly is remarkably high. it may be the greatest period of change since the turn of the 19th century. maybe more. but with the level of potential that's implied in these new networks that reveal all this new information and all these new problem solvers, it may be as big as the risk that has the apocalypse crowd scared. our next guest is clear. he says because of forces that are already at work inside of networks inside of communities, the future will be better than we think. he has chosen renaissance over apocalypse and he would know as the founder of x prize
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foundation who rewards those who make the impossible possible by working together to try. with us now entrepreneur peter diamandis. why is the future better than people think? >> you know, we have had incredible century of progress over the last 100 years that people forget about how well things have moved. the human life span has more than doubled. the global per capita income around the world adjusted has tripled in size. the childhood mortality dropped by a factor of ten. we have had incredible progress. we're living in the most peaceful time in human history. the media feeds us negative views that we keep on getting pessimistic. >> i agree with that. but your point is, because i agree with you. i completely agree with everything you just said.
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that at the core is a cultural void that fails to recognize mythologically the opportunity to reach toward solution, to reach toward collaboration. what we found as we have used this e show to try to chronicle the awakening that you are leading and encouraging is the fact that there are all of these individuals who are able to use modern networks. dr. brenner who found 5% of the community was sick and helped those 5% of the people. health care costs fell 50%. your book is laiden with people who understand this new mechanism of problem solving. share some of your favorite stories. >> what i talk about is there are four forces driving us towards this world of abundance. the first is the exponent shlly growing possibilities. the fact that your computer is twice as fast today as last year for the same price, but on top of that is artificial intelligence, digital medicine,
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3d manufacturing, very powerful tools. the second force i call the diy innovators. guys and gals creating extraordinary breakthroughs. one of my favorites is dean kaimen. he has come up with a device he calls slingshot for that piece of technology that david used to slay goliath. it can produce a thousand liters per day of clean drinking water from anything wet. so clean it meets the medical standards for injectable water. he's now working with ko ka cola to do field tests. >> so our assets, the one thing that's made me remarkably
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frustrated and that i found is a critical barrier is that you look at your example with water or look at dr. brenner with health care. finds the 5%. the challenge politically and culturally, it represents a 50% reduction in revenue for the health insurance company and the doctor and everybody involved. many of these solutions are very negative toward a small group of people's very unique business apparatus which is being disrupted by the genius that's ma any festing. i'm looking for your advice to accelerate this transition to the world of abundance that you speak of. >> it's very simple. if you like the world the way it is and want to keep it the same, you can do that. that's what institutions keep things the way they are. but real innovation, real breakthroughs require disrupting
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what you have and reinventing it. so we are happy we have cell phones and ebay and all these things now, but it disrupted entire businesses. so land lines or the local mom and pop store, but things become cheaper and it's moving that way. it's a crazy idea before the day it's a breakthrough. the crazy ideas are coming out of entrepreneurs backed by the wealthiest today who have the capital to invest in creating the future they desire. i. >> i am inspired by your message. we at the show obviously share this narrative. it's the lens that we seek to ma any fest. >> my point is, people are more empowered today than ever before. small teams have the power of what used to be governments and large corporations. so i'm trying to get people to understand you can stop complain
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ing about a problem and start solving it. in fact, i'm giving away the first chapter for free on the book for anyone who wants so you can really understand the power that you have to change the world. yes, it's going to disrupt current industries, but the ones coming out are going to be cheaper, more available, better for you. we're going to reinvent health care and education in the future. if it doesn't happen here in the u.s., it will happen someplace else. >> i couldn't agree with you more. i actually believe that there's a remarkable number of americans and people on the planet who share and are awakened to what you are say iing in the power o the network to provide incredible new solutions that have never yet been discovered. i share your optimism and we all appreciate your leadership. so thank you, peter. peter diamandis, the book "abundance." it's worth your attention. straight ahead, there's one of these devoted to air and space. there's also one of these
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on this first monday of women east history month, darlington keli goff joins us with a fitting rant. >> many people were shocked by rush limbaugh's recent attack on georgetown law student sandra fluke, which he finally apologized for this weekend, i was more shocked by the timing of it all. march marks women east history
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month. i couldn't help thinking that this women's history month is starting off with a bang. we know that for at least the next month we can look forward to hearing occasional references to the greatest women sprinkled in speeches, media, and of course, school reports. but when you may not know is despite years of trying, we still don't have a national museum to honor the contributions of women. before any eye rolling or shouts of we can't afford it begin, i should mention the museum won't cost taxpayers a dime. it will require congressional approval for the land on which it will be built near the national mall. merle streep, who was one of the biggest champions for the museum, say it's a political football. it's a thing that everybody in congress agrees with but attach to something no one agrees with. to her point, the necessary bill has made it out of the house only to misgarner a vote in the senate before the end of the session. one instance it stalled due to a fight over women's health.
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sound familiar? in 2010, senator tom coburn and jim demint placed a hold on the bill. the reason was that an organization that opposes abortion wrote a letter saying the museum would not women who have opposed abortion rights. for the record, the museum is nonpartisan and does not take a position on the issue, but apparently in the eyes of some elected officials, every issue that comes before congress comes back to we ladies and our reproductive organs. what can you do to help make the museum become a reality? write your member of congress and tell them you support the national history museum and want to know they support it too. you want them to authorize making the land available on which the building will sit. second, follow merle streep's lead. she gave a million dollars to the museum. most of us may not have a million dollars to spare, but every bit helps because a museum
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is not taxpayer funded. if you're feeling so moved, why not make a contribution in rush limbaugh's name. it seems only fitting he should help fund the museum in which sandra fluke's portrait will likely hang some day, thanks to him. >> walk me through -- because the thing that was most profound was the origin of the women suffrage movement. there's a little museum in seneca falls that really represent and tracks the suffrage movement going back to its origin. what i picture in my mind is something that captures the entire history of women's liberation through all these different lenses. is that what we're talking about representing for our country in washington? >> i want people to visit the website of the museum and check out my piece. they can see some of the great women we

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