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georgetown law student sandra fluke a slut. 50 sponsors have stopped supporting limbaugh despite limbaugh's apology. here is statement from one of the bigger companies. at aol, one of our core values is that we act with integrity. limbaugh continues to downplay the whole thing. not surprisingly. even the loss of advertisers. >> 28 sponsors out of 18,000. that's like losing a couple of french fries in the container when it's delivered to you at the drive-through. >> i don't know about you, but i never have 18,000 french fries! it seems to have had a much larger impact than that actually. according to media matters, a progressive media monitoring

organization, limbaugh's show thursday on wwabc included five minutes of dead air then limbaugh went after "the washington post" columnist after a piece was written about limbaugh targets jerks judging from the latest ads. >> miss petri, i don't know who feeds you your information but you might want to double-check. it's out and out lie and complete with your bitchy opinion in it. >> as court of this, limbaugh made that comment on thursday which is the 101st international women's day so to put a button on it. first, let me say i am bummed out i am talking about rush limbaugh a little bit, right? he is what he is and he has been that for the 30 years he has been on air. but why now? see, this to me, is the fascinating question here.

rebecca, you seem like you have an answer. >> i do and it's a good one and one you shouldn't be bummed out about. rush limbaugh is rush limbaugh. aol, talking about decency. >> i like how they evaluated it and said, my goodness! what is going on? >> but what is happening now that is different is what you're seeing is an energy, a renewed energy and actually within the past few decades, a new energy around issues of demism and gender parody, how we talk about sex and reproductive rights and happening from a lot of directions and limbaugh being limbaugh happened to walk right into it. the action you're seeing, the reason we are talking about it actually isn't about rush limbaugh. it's a renewed energy behind a women's movement or whatever you want to call it.

>> i would argue longer back before the last month. but yes. >> it harks back to don imus with the comments he made against the rutgers basketball team. it's like that in 2007 for me really, you know, put to the forefront there are these men who just pop out there nasty intense misogynistic language and we are tired of it! the revolution is being televised at this point. >> he has been the it and right wing of the republicans. >> of the right wing of a base that wants to turn back the clock. they are not facing the advertiser boycott, the green that is forcing limbaugh to do a little more than he used to do.

though, he is continuing to attack tracy mcmillen, the very good woman journalist. >> let me show that attack. this actually gets to something. i want to show both of these and in this filth is somewhat unsettling but it's sort of necessary. this is him talking about tracy mcmillen who booked the american way of eating. he got into some back and forth with her and this is what he says of her which i thought was a very revealing comment. >> what is it with all of these young, single, white women, overeducated. doesn't mean intelligent. >> over educated like they are -- >> single women. >> like getting too much education. here let me show this clip which think progress put together and i found think progress montage useful because i do not listen to the rush limbaugh show and things bleed into your ears from the ether. you get it through osmosis. he called her a slut and a prostitute. they have this five-minute

things of all things he said about sandra fluke and here is a taste of what it sounds like. >> what does it say about the college coed susan fluke who goes before a congressional committee and essentially says that she must be paid to have sex? what does that make her? it makes her a slut, right? it makes her a prostitute. we would happily buy an dra fluke all of the aspirin she needs and put them between her knees. have you ever heard of not having sex so often? so much sex! so much sex at georgetown? we are talking sex addict frequency here. all of the sex you want all day long. we want you to post the videos online. the videos of all the sex posted online so we can see! >> i think someone is horny! >> is there a whole subtext that is happening there! >> is it really subtext? it's crawling around just

beneath the skin of your forehead! it's not -- we work in the theater! >> that's on the line, right? that's on the line. >> in addition to just the plain old sexual horny subtext another subtext. i've been looking to that think progress clip which is useful to give you an idea what is he talking about. i've been writing about this issue for something else. and he says so much sex, so much sex over and over again. but there is also unlimited, unlimited, no consequences. and these women can have sex any time they want and listen to it on think progress and there seems when it comes to the genders we are talking about what seems to be under his skin is that there are no limits on these women! on these women. there's an overabundance of sex and possibility and choices -- >> i come back to what he was talking about about overeducated women. link to what santorum is saying which is about ignorance

strength and taking on education and taking on college. and i think you see in this guy someone who wants to keep women in the kitchen prosecuting, barefoot and go back -- no, i mean he doesn't want women to benefit from the women's movement you've been been talking about and that is linked to birth control and contraception too in the workplace. >> i want to make an injection here. what cracked me up. the limbaugh thing, the premise seems to be that every time one has sex, one must take a pill which, of course, is the case for certain pieces of medication like viagra but not the way birth control works. the simple factual matter. he seems to be under a deep -- >> interesting he made the connection how viagra works. just saying. i don't want to cast dispersions on mr. limbaugh. >> he was famously caught being a large amount of viagra back

into the country. >> this is a guy talking about pills when -- >> let me just say that -- that -- boastful ignorance in the whole thing. the idea that actually because you have a birth control prescription that you follow every month and take a pill every day, that correlates to how much sex you're having but just like a basic factual logical level there is no connection. we should stip that. you take the dose every day. people take it and don't have a lot of sex but take it and have a lot of sex. >> peel take the pill for other reasons too. they take it for cysts and endometriosis. it's in his mind, sex, sex, sex. >> one of the things i have noticed a side point. between having to explain in media conversation, oh, actually how the birth control pill works and having to explain in fertilization versus implantation and having to explain about cysts. we have gotten more sex ed in this country which is good

because state lawmakers and legislators are trying to pull back on sex education programs all over the country. we have had more discussion how the female reproductive system has worked and apparently nobody knew anything about this prior on six weeks ago. >> and they have cut back sex education in schools. >> the fact she brought it up cost $3,000 over the three years for birth control. i'm saying, wait a minute! what kind of birth control pills are you taking? i started thinking about it and adding in and you have to get your pap smear and go to the doctor and when you don't have insurance, it's very expensive. >> let's turn our attention how it was that the mechanisms of this sort of activation have managed to take a nick out of rush limbaugh in a way that hadn't happened before right after we take this break. moments you're looking forward to. what if they were stolen from you? by alzheimer's. this cruel disease is the nation's sixth leading cause of death, affecting more than 5 million americans. the alzheimer's association

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to the person that tweeted me, we know limbaugh is a putz, move on. we are moving on. what i want to do is zoom out a little bit from this limbaugh, sandra fluke episode is a one plot in a story unfolding the past month and i think a fascinating one in which there has been a succession of events that started with the susan g. komen foundation saying they are stopped funding planned parenthood. it was a real victory. i think it was a victory in the sense there was a backlash, they walked away from the decision. affordable care act regulatory rules came out saying religiously affiliated institutions not churches had to provide birth control. huge backlash on that and famous daryl issa hearing. foster frees goes on the air and squeezing aspirin between one's

knees and this rush limbaugh and sandra fluke episode. all has happened within a span of a month. why is this fight happening now. different views on different sides on the spectrum. conservatives have seen this as a democratic plot like the democrats sprang this because they wanted to talk about birth control because they have a political incentive. this view democrats have taken up the mantle of gop war on women is a brief look at how often we are hearing this phrase, "war on women." >> the republicans in the house of representatives have been waging a war on women's health. >> war on women's health. >> war on a majority of america women. >> this war against women. >> systemic war against women. >> why is this happening now? as you watch the news unfold, do you guys have theories what has coalesced? is this an accident, strategy? something in the ether?

>> i have a sense that there is shock in this country that we are, in 2012, having a contraception debate. i mean, this was resolved one thought maybe at the time of prohibition, certainly around the griswold case in the '60s and '70s, and that you have movement, a feminist movement, a women's movement and democratic party seizing this one activism has been surfacing and percolating and a democratic party sees it as an opportunity to drive against the republicans. i would take this back to the beginning of the obama administration. don't forget one of his very first steps was to overrule the gag rule which is pass lily leadbetter and you had kagan and sotomayor. within that, a hatred toward educated and liberated women, provided by the fact that the pill did a lot of that.

and a republican party, as i said before, that wants to roll back time. we have talked about they want to roll back the new deal, but they also want to roll back women's rights and at the heart of that is the ability to control your own body and your health. >> i have a theory. my theory is that, you know, the two ideological sides in our country contend each others at the intersections. i think the republicans made an error where the battle grounds are and i think they thought women's health they wouldn't think about it that way but birth control or sex pills is at the intersection. when they started losing they double down. >> triple down, yeah. >> i think the bigger issue is i don't think it's just a gop war on women. it's a war on women in general.

i mean, i live in a country where, you know, as a young black woman, i'm sometimes very, very ashamed that we are still dealing with, you know, these reproductive issues but they are economical issues. to me that is the bigger thing we need to be tackling. >> you're absolutely right. i think it's not a war on women but a war on poor people and people of color. it is a war -- you see this not just through the reproductive rights fights we're having but the voting, suppression measures going through. this is a gup group of people used to having grip on power losing that grip to women, to minorities and enacting measures. >> i want to push this further. everything what you've said, you've said, all that is true generally. >> right. >> the point is why -- i mean, why activation now? let me offer one theory. rick santorum's rise to the top was part of the factor here. i want to play this quote which i think is fascinating.

rick santorum wrote a book and he has an audio version. the book is "it takes a family." he has an audio version of that book which is advertised as "unabridged." a quote we wanted to use and we thought rather than reading a piece of the text we will play the audio book. this sentence does not appear in the audio book, here is the sentence and you'll see why it probably doesn't appear. the purported need to provide things for their children simply provides a convenient rationalization for pursuing a gratifying career outside the home. speaking to working women essentially. santorum rose to prominence at the moment this birth control fight over the federal care right was heating up and wake of the planned parenthood. to me that played a part in it. he is the one gop record on record saying as, quote, it's not okay about birth control, right? so do you think that's a part of it? >> i absolutely think that's a part of this current

consecration. i think the building of a feminist, what i was calling a renewed feminist energy has been happening. katori said in 2007 with don imus. take it back a few years earlier than that with a birth of blogosphere to get online and that wasn't recognized a long time. in fact, a tremendous generational rift older women and feminist active take visits. feminism is dead and young don't care about their rights and all of this stuff. a bubbling up of this blogosphere invisible to older people and happened during the 2008 election and what i wrote about in my book. incredible discussion about gender, race and politics we were making and opened up channels. communication. now what you're seeing is a coalescing of -- you're seeing intergenerational cooperation. >> what you're not really seeing

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>> that was 1960s. >> but then here let me show you michele bachmann at this forum in 2011 to give you a sense of maybe how certain things haven't changed. >> i want to begin by thanking representative bachmann for taking care of the water for today's event. >> i'm used to it, frank! i have poured a lot of water in my time. >> one of our producers made, i thought, interesting point about the fact that the disappearance of michele bachmann on that debate stage, the lone woman who was occupying, there are no big prominent female voices on the gop side right now is probably playing into the general atmosphere that we have now. >> it's four white guys talking about birth control and is our republican primary right now.

especially after 2008, it feels very depressing. on the other hand, we had michele bachmann, we had herman cain. think about that. ten years ago. >> right. >> to have had a black man and a white woman on a republican debate stage, we would have been extremely surprised to hear that. so -- i think -- one of my points would be that the question of are we stalled, are we moving backward or moving forward, i think in this country, we like to pat ourselves on the back for the amount of social progress we have made and like to tell ourselves it's all changed and all fixed but, as a matter of fact, very much in process and it's been a relatively short amount of time. you think about it. those 1960s ads, forget it. the ads the fact that abortion was illegal and birth control hard to come by and no word for sexual harassment and notion of equal pay was a joke. that is less than half a century ago. when we look at your our progress i think it's fair to say it's in constant stage of circular switchback. >> think about the high water

mark, for instance, second wave of feminine -- two states of being added to the united states constitution. at this point, it's a mind blowing thing to comprehend! we couldn't -- we couldn't -- we couldn't debt a constitutional amendment to do anything nontrivial. there was a time when political power so marshalled you had betty ford endorsing this piece legislation and came this close. makes me feel like in this cycle of progress and retreat maybe it has been, you know, one step forward, two steps back. >> that's the history of american freedom. >> right. >> freedom i mean, the zig sglag zag. this country is number one in bad statistics. and it's not doing too well in terms of the numbers of women in power. i'm struck today. look at the front page of "the new york times." two very powerful women angela merkel, prime minister of

germany and head of the imf dealing with a lot of stuff. and perhaps the impact on this country. though may change. this may be w.h.o. w.h.y. like 1992 was. >> we have this chart that shows this sort of comparatively about -- where the u.s. ranks with 17% of members of congress in both houses are women and that ranks 78th in the world tied with turkmenistan. this was cited by lisa ho. i have a custom when i think about these issues. it's become a kind of transparent uninvestigated fact about political representation in the country i don't have an expectation that that political representation would be 50/50, would represent, you know, the actual breakdown of men and women. >> not even in political representation like as a pl

playwright working in the theater. the exact same 17% of women in congress. >> fascinating. >> exact same. >> daily beast said that this week. she called it the 16% ghetto. >> that is fascinating. >> this is where we are plateaued right now. i think real echoes of 1992 and each if you look at the visuals we got with the issa hearing with those guys, this is the visual of clarence thomas anne joe biden all male panel grilling anita hill. very different issues at stake but a lot of them are very similar. i think that the kind of energy you're seeing i would say you have the excitement of the democratic party is around democratic candidates like

elizabeth warren. >> strong women running. i'm reminded, though, we talked media matters before. you think of david brock in 1992. my memory is he is said a little nutty and slutty. >> david brock wrote this famous profile anita hill was unbelievable take-down piece of her i believe in a magazine "american spectator." and it was referring to her being a little bit nutty and slutt sluttie. david brock has moved into retirement. >> had which is outrage in 1992 to move people and what we are seeing. it's now in the online community. >> i want to hear your theory after we take this break. mushroom smothered beef burgers. hearty chicken and noodle casserole. so easy, you just need campbell's cream of mushroom soup to make them and a hungry family to love them. campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do.

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a very smart viewer e-mails during the break to point out not just betty ford endorsed the equal rights amendment, president gerald ford in 1975 also endorsed it, which think for a second about a republican -- sitting republican president endorsing a constitutional amendment to the united states constitution to make sure that women have equal rights. mike, i cut you off as you were about to offer a theory which i want to hear. >> it's sort of in contrast to like the sort of the dominant discussion we are having here. i feel like everyone here on the panel is connecting the dots, which i think is fantastic with the progression of how in recent history connecting to further back history about how the women's movement has gone in recent times. i think one of the reasons things are different now is the basic thing. when i look at my facebook feed, it is filled with these stories and i feel like there is a certain point, because of the way facebook in particular is

this tool that locks -- this explains one of the reasons why i think the stories aren't connecting to people in lower income brackets. i think a lot of people who are online in facebook in particular are organizing. the blogosphere is fantastic bringing those thoughts but doesn't work together like facebook does. i think why it's grabbed attraction is the straightforward thing. when i look at my facebook feed if i'm a journalist and look at it and i see people talking about komen and he see what are the stories? it's komen. it becomes like part of the weather. i think that is part of why the fever is higher this time. >> i think it's a smart point. i worry sometimes part of the victories achieved are due to this kind of period in which the defenders of the status quo in powers that be are freaked out by the kind of tsunami effect that social media can create and

haven't learned yet just to weather it because the attention span of social media tends to be brief. like the. >> the sort of hash tag campaigns and organizing that happens through twitter and facebook. in concert with the sort of voting with dollars, right? for planned parenthood against komen. it wasn't about the fact everybody was mad online but the fact that planned parenthood raised $38 million in 48 hours and komen was losing money. the tsunami you hear online which can feel like an echo chamber, same thing with the virginia protests. 2,000 women showed up in a blizzard in virginia. how did that happen? that was old-fashioned -- >> but also eight women, african-american women walking

out of the georgia state senate the other night. that is critical. where you see women walking out. if that image canning magnified. talking about donned rumsfeld. is there a system. i think living at a time right now, rebecca has followed this carefully. you have a lot of victories and i'm optimistic about it but you also had 1,100 provisions last year at the state level to overturn that. >> our progressive really winning right now? my story of the week is up next. , diarrhea, gas or bloating? get ahead of it! one phillips' colon health probiotic cap a day helps defend against digestive issues with three strains of good bacteria. hit me! [ female announcer ] live the regular life. phillips'.

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law student a slut but a dizzying barrage. he does stuff like this all the time but something seemed to snap here. of watching him slander a law student we had a kind of at long last have you no decentsy. he offered apology. 50 sponsors have dropped or suspended their ads on the program. in 28 years on the air, limbaugh has never faced this kind of backlash. on tuesday republicans went to polls in 11 states and the results were blah. romney picked up the most delegates but a center says the rate of voter turnout in the 13 primaries so far is down from both 2000 and 2008 and among conservatives in the base and right wing establishment an increasingly panicked and

resigned sense they are in the midst of an institutional identity crisis. it favors romney as the nominee but the base doesn't like him very much and a stalemate seems to have settled in. romney probably can't lose but in the short term doesn't look like he can win either. a future of the koch funded institute. koch brothers have sued to control the think tank. for progress sifs all this wive amusement. are they enjoying a clean sweep right now? it is important to remember that our politics are often dual tracked. sometimes trivial and sometimes important and conflicts we don't see and obscure or technical or more often than not the real action of politics, the struggle between public good and private interests happens in the very

fine print and not in the headlines. if conservatives looking the place we had been looking i'm cheered by the things happening behind the scenes. monitoring the implementation of the dodd frank financial reform bill and report total of 225 deadlines have passed. of these deadlines, 70% have been missed. you heard that right. think about this. the single most important political economic event of our time the financial crisis gave rise to a legislative effort to correct the abuses that produce that crisis and now the implementation of that same law is behind schedule and no one seems to know or care. similarly, the very sharp reporters at carter broke a story about the rogue efforts of a republican commissioner on the commodity futures trading commission to undermine the new dodd-frank rules. the same market that produced the notorious credit default swaps that did in aig and almost

brought down the entire global financial market with it. turns out one of the five commissioners has reached out to the office of management and budget asking them to produce a cost benefit analysis of the new dodd-frank regulations and sandbag the new rules by throwing up procedural hurdles. it is an independent agency for the a reason. the office of management and budget has no jurisdiction over it. it is the latest in what you might call republicans entrepreneurial. again, this is the kind of effort that could only succeed if no one pays attention. usually the worst actors are smart enough to stay out of the news. we're going to talk to one of the cftc members in a moment.

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i think this attention asymmetry if i can call it that the behind the scenes fights are harder to track. you mention the defendant before the state level laws that are happening in day-by-day in terms of women's health and reproductive choice. i think concerned with the dodd-frank regulatory bill. we passed the bill and people stopped paying attention to but the banks have thousands of people paying attention to every thrust of the battle what it is going to be. we had alex yeah goldstein on the show over one of the rules and that to me symbolized but also a very real example of a way to fight back against that. mike, i wanted to ask you since you're someone who has taken an issue from being obscure and sort of seen it through to being popularized which is the working conditions of people making the products that apple sells, if i

ask a question of how do you shed light on something like that? how do you bring the obscure thing into people's consciousness? >> i think that, you know, the key or part of the key for at least for the issues i was looking at was the idea that ideas that work are viral. you need an idea to be embedded in story. at least maybe because i'm a story teller. that's the way that i'm most attracted to things. stories are naturally social media. >> first social media? >> the central one we re-tell a story over and over again. i think what we have been talking about women's health and where women are in this country in the deplorable state of things, like one of the things that -- that people need to embody if they want this to change fundamentally is evolving narratives. you need to be able to create new stories that are constantly

shifting and changing that further your ends. because stories travel better than attacks. this is what is so hard about limbaugh. just to be honest, limbaugh is an incredible story teller. he is incredibly talented at his job. the fact many of us here, we were talking saying we never listened to him. i don't listen to him regularly. i can understand that but it has to be said, technically speaking, he is -- >> the challenge is how do you tell a story about dodd-frank -- >> exactly. >> what mike said in a more linear way. someone who has been a strong story teller is elizabeth warren. >> perfect example. >> i think she has in clips that have gone viral spoken eloquently why people need a voice and a representative. the whole idea we're in this together and it's not yo-yo economics, you're on your own, jack, she tells the story why so

many feel government is rigged against them and what these fights often eliminate. >> a perfect example was birthed with this idea you can't sell a toaster that has a 1 in 3 chance blowing up or catching fire, but you can sell a mortgage that has 1 in 3 chance of going under water. the one sentence is great story telling. and i literally think it was because of that one sentence we now have the -- because it was so tactile. >> i think the reason she has the attention is the kind of celebrate that she has and she can go into the senate campaign she has is because of her appearances on television where as a performer if you see her talking to jon stewart explaining the history of regulation and what happened after the depression and why regulation is in place and when it came up she told that story and i remember sitting in front of the television, thinking, i understand now. >> i think jon stewart said "marry me."

>> we have an addiction we define everything as charisma. but charisma is only a native like ability. >> to tell stories. >> right. the narrative and choosing the moments and encapsulating them. >> there are people who are spreading the bad stories that concerns me and how social media can be used to disseminate horribleness. i was looking a clip that tushort did and did an instructional video where he taught young boys how to assault young women and another war we are not focusing on. >> the viralness of a given story is morally mutual. a good story is not necessarily embedded with -- i want to bring in bart. how are you? >> good to be with you guys. >> let's sort of ground the facts here in terms of your fellow commissioner going to the omb to sort of throw up this

procedural hurdle. what is your reaction to it? walk us through what exactly you're doing on the commission to implement dodd-frank and why scott omalia is -- >> let me give you 15 seconds how we go to here and the story. a huge calamity and no regulations up until 2008 and no regulations and huge, as you said, in your intro earlier swap unregulated and we had to pay out $700 billion, all of us, the american taxpayers. congress tried to fix it with dodd-frank. a bunch of people couldn't kill it, the law passed. now what we are trying to do is stop it or stymie it through the regulatory process. which brings me to the answer to your question. i find efforts to say let's go to omb, one, gratuitous, because

we already do the cost benefit unless which is a piece of the regulatory rule making process and, two, i think it's really puzzling, because we are an independent agency, guys, and that's really has a lot of value. and whether or not it's a republican president or a democrat president, we shouldn't be whipsawed as an independent agency by going to their office of management and budget and being told what to do. it could actually politicize our progress. i think it's gratuitous and puzzling. the whole process as you say is a new type of war fare on regulatory rule making process. i think it's bastardized the process. the cost were the 700 billion we paid. the ultimate goal is to get good and solid regulations to help market and more importantly to help consumers. >> there has been a tooth and nail fight behind the scenes on this implementation. you were on the front lines of

this. the commission has to come up with rules and procedure to do it and you have a process and put a rule out for comment and gets lots of comments. my understanding is the way that works is most of the banks -- most of the comments from the banks' side because they with employ an army of people to embed themselves into the minutia of this framework. >> ten lobbyists in the sector for every single member of congress. go ahead. >> right. you've been trying to roll the rock uphill while the ten lobbyists for every member of congress sit on said rock. i want you to talk about what that battle has looked like and what are the rules going to do? i want you to tell us after we take this break. [ male announcer ] can febreze set & refresh make even this place smell fresh?

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katrina vanden hufal and mike daisey and ktori hall and rebecca traister and joining us is bart chairman of the cftc. bart, what are the rules if you explain in layman's terms what the stakes are for us watching this process off not watching this unfold? >> there are 300 rules are supposed to be put in place under dodd-frank. >> we have a whole hour so start going down them. i'll give awe couple you a coup ones. we have done 21. you mentioned earlier, we are a year behind. one of the rules that is being slowed down because of this cost benefit analysis is actually putting limits on speculators in things like the oil markets and

we have seen where gas prices have gone. they have never been this high at this time of year. wall street interests have taken us to court to stop it and their argument we didn't do a good enough cost benefit and here is one of their strategstrategies,. they don't give us comments or give us comments that aren't very good. then we pass the rule and then they say, you didn't look at it well enough. it's nutty. then they take us to court. has paralyzed some of the regulators not just at our agency, i think, they are so concerned about the scary litigation risk, that we have been implementing the important rules. >> this is really important. when i gave that statistic how 70% of the deadlines for rule making from frank-dodd have been missed not because people like yourself are sitting around

playing playstation all day and not doing the work. because is there a concerted effort and litigation in court that is being marshalled to slow down the process, right? >> that's exactly right. now, i don't want people to think that cost benefit analysis that they are not important. they are important for us to do. but, again, they are a piece of the regulatory rule making and not the be all end all. the be all end you will is protect consumers so we don't have another financial collapse and not taken advantage of. we let the free markets roll for ten years and what happened is it rolled right over the american people. we got to stop that. >> there are critics of dodd-frank say it didn't go far enough and doesn't change the fundamentals. from where you're sitting as an actual regulator with jurisdiction over what is actually, if i'm not mistaken, the largest part of the capital markets which is the derivatives market the number of which is a mind blowing number that doesn't mean anything to anyone because it's trillions, ten of trillions of dollars if i'm not mistaken.

is that a valued criticism of dodd-frank or need you the tools you need to rein in the abuses we saw? >> give you some sense. we currently look at before we had todd-frank about $5 trillion and trillion may not mean much but say it's this much. >> okay. >> what we are going to look at is hundreds of trillions of dollars. this new area which was completely, utterly undeservedly unregulated in these dark markets that's what we are looking at. it's amazing to me that people are saying they should repeal it. i do believe we have the bones to put these provisions in place but we have got to add some texture to it and some skin to it and these rule makings are incredibly important and if they are stymied or if we are scared about going forward and not do what congress told us to do and not protect consumers or markets or the economic engine of our

democracy. >> it's a little technical but i think very important and explain to people at home. you can trade derivatives which is something that is derived from an underlying asset value, right? a future, oil future or a bet on whether interest rates are going to go up or down. you can trade them on an exchange, right? >> yep. >> oil futures and pork bellys traded on an exchange. it's a clearinghouse everyone goes through a central institution, commodity futures exchange, for instance, in chicago. everybody it at the end of the day knows who owes what to whom. that is one way to trade. >> right. >> the other way to trade is what is called over-the-counter otc and literally involves another dude, do you want to buy this? that dude says i do at this price and you make the sale and no one knows who owes what to wh whom! tf it was the lack of knowledge of that that was the essential feature of the panic that ruled the financial markets in 2008. people literally did not know

what their exposure was no central clearinghouse to this credit default swaps that were traded in unbelievable amounts of money. is that more or less the story? >> that's more or less the story. and it's when people would trade with each other there wasn't agreement on what the value of that -- that product was, whatever it was. that's why you have like laymen leveraged before they fell and started the topple of these too big to fail firms. you're right, chris, yeah. >> bart, where does this go next? i guess is the question. you have these lawsuits. you have sort after rogue commissioner who is attempting -- let me get the statement. we contacted omb and they have a revision that does the analysis which is run by a former -- university of chicago professor named cass sunstein. this is their response. if this request for assistance

came from an agency we could offer assistance but it does not. that is from an administration official on this. which is good. it means they are basically saying no luck scott, for trying to put sand in the gears of this, you're out of luck, we don't have jurisdiction over this. >> look. i don't want to subscribe motives to my colleague. he's a smart guy and has an agenda. i think it's gratuitous and a waste of taxpayer money which everybody is concerned about because we already do this stuff. i also think it messes up the independence of our agency. it's a bad precedent. if we are going to be whipsawed by one administration or another. the important next step stay on this and look at what congress told us to do the appropriate job, which i think we have done, and i'm not saying that we ignore people that say there's some potential litigation risk, we need to do that cost benefit analysis. but we need to keep our eye on the ball, put these rules and regulations in place to help consumers and help markets and

help our economy. >> bart, katrina has a question for you. >> commissioner chiltoc, some oil analysts in talking to them they will tell you at least half of the spike in oil prices is due to speculation. the cftc is overseeing that involved with that matter. could you speak a little bit about the issue of speculation and rising oil prices? >> i can speak longer than we have about it. >> give us a 60-second version. >> i will. based upon a goldman sachs research report, i talked about this a couple of days ago. they acknowledge that speculation equals an increase in prices. i've done some extrapolations. it adds 39 billion dollars to the aviation and trucking industry because of excessive speculation. what that means for individual consumers, if you drive a civic, it's over $7 every time you fill up. that's a wall street premium and goes directly to wall street.

explorer is over 10 bucks and f-150 is 14. we have got to stop that and got a rule in place to do it but, again, we are taken to court by wall street interests trying to stop us. that's not good. >> bart chilton of cftc and very able at explaining this stuff and i've talked to you before and thank you for being with us. >> good to be with you. >> our politics don't just happen. entertainers shape our politics too and i'm not just talking about rush limbaugh. other examples right after this. wake up!

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his passing. my colleague will be talking about that and politics of hip-hop in a little bit. it's safe to say the history of human life on the planet no more different ways to get information about our world, our society, our government and our shared public life. more of that information comes through forms we wouldn't consider journalism. 50 million people a day get their information from rush limbaugh and he doesn't consider himself a journalist. in a book, limbaugh is quoted as saying the following. as someone who does consider himself a journalist, yours truly, i have to admit a lot of things i learned about apple and how their products were made came from mike daisey one-man show and another example is the viral video coney 2012 which has 60 million views this week. and they were on "today" show and it's to raise awareness of a

leader of a rebel group in hopes of bringing him to justice. take a look. >> our goal is change the culture and get people to ask who is joseph coney. make him famous today but all of these efforts will culminate on april 20th when we cover the night. this is the day when we will meet at sundown and blanket every street in every city till the sun comes up. we will be smart and we will be thorough. the rest of the world will go to bed friday night and wake up to hundreds of thousands of posters demanding justice on every corner. ♪ i can't stop >> the popularity of the video has created criticism. they point out kony is no longer

in uganda. they claim -- that makes is fascinating and when a cultural icon pops up. there is no established social contract between the producers and consumers about what the expected standards and fidelity to the truth are. when shoot our standards and expectations being for the vastly and rapidly expanding kinds of culture products that inform us in these new ways. i want to start with you, mike, because you have this amazing experience of sort of being on both sides of this divide in that you did a show that contains a lot of factual information and first-person reporting but not a work of journalism and not published in "the new yorker" for instance.

you went over and did a verse on this american life which is considered a journalistic outlet and put the show through the paces. i want you to talk about how you think about your obligation the fidelity of the truth in the work that you produced about apple. >> well, it's a implicated subject, because i work as a monologuist and a story teller. fundamentally, i tell a story and i use the tools of story telling. i use compression. i use all of these tools that the world of objective journalist doesn't use because you rely on objective journalism to publish accounts we read in our paper and have faith in. and i think that it's a complex scheme. we look at things coming out like this kony video. you look at it. it's really a new territory that is going start getting explored. >> the kony video, katrina, i'd love to hear your thoughts on

this. you were married to a ugandan? >> i am. i went there the past three years. when i saw that vooideo, i was little stunned. like y'all were a little late to the party. that's not what they are dealing with. the war is not happening. what they are dealing with is the consequences of the war. like you go to golu and you see children fighting for education and fighting for sanitation, you know, health. we need to to focus our attention to that and not on kony who is no longer there. i feel even though, yes, it's great this guy was passionate about the issue, made his own personal connection but i think the video is naive and not really dealing what is truly going on on the ground there. >> i was going to say, but -- agree, but, at the same time, how many 60 million? >> right. >> 60 million people now have some connection. i've heard people say i woke up and saw this and i need to learn

more. totally agree one needs to deal with the economy of the country, the pain, the consequences. but at least there's an awareness now upon which to base the fight, the organizing for what you're saying. >> it's naive awareness. i just feel as though it's just so complex and i feel as though like the imagery, the big black boogy man the reason the country went down and we need chase this big, bad black guy and that is not the case. it's very implicated. >> you could say the international criminal court is naive in the fact that the united states is not yet a signatory so it's going after african leaders. that in my mind is naive in the politics in this world. on the other hand, it is an opportunity for you and others who know so much more to say, hey, this is not the full story. this is not the full story. >> one of the interesting things i think is whether something like this releases informational antibodies, right? right. the viral nature of it releases

these antibodies and brings us to a fuller conversation. when you talk about oversimplified to me this gets to the core of the issue. michael moore i think is an incredibly talented and brilliant filmmaker and brilliant story teller. every time he releases a movie he gets attacked in a similar way that you're talking about the kony video. it's much more implicated than that. you have used the tools of story teller as a compression and you put things in order and happen in real life and a question of what the standards of the fidelity of the truth are for the document tearian. i think what is staring in the face is maybe a tradeoff between like i could write a 10,000-word feature piece about -- i couldn't but someone could about the resistance army and the implicated torture politics the republican of congo and this new

scurge of disease. but maybe a hundred people read that as opposed to 60 million. the tradeoff is a difficult one to wrestle. >> i think the other sort of note that we are missing talking about journalism, theater, but in between is activism. when you talk about michael moore moves, for example. activism which is in reaction off to what is going on just truths to injustice and things happening that people need to be educated about is a form of theater, right? it needs to have compelling and often catch phrases, lines, portraya portrayals. i think there are real questions about we keep talking about objective journalism and there is truthful journalism and accurate journalism but objectivity as a goal for journalism is a much more confusing proposition, i think. that is another element. >> i find for me in my case, you know, i know, i feel -- i really feel certain that where we are

now in this conversation about manufacturing in china, we wouldn't be able to be in this conversation if i hadn't created the work in the way i did so that i could create emotional connections that people in the piece. >> right. >> so i really feel like we often give that short shift maybe because the conversation, the conversation is among objective journalists so we give an incredible amount of weight to the objectivity which i think is very valued. the emotional story that runs through things, that's what was missing. for instance, all of the work i did, none of it is actually original in the sense that i went over there, in part, because i read reports from human rights organizations who had been reporting on everything i saw and much worse, long before i went. it's just that no one cared. >> you know what? i'm thinking of anna smith's work where it's a combination of oral history and it's fact and accuracy but she brought such power to incidents and events which got reported but didn't. then to mess it up a little

more, death of a salesmen is about to open in new york. that has an enduring power that is partly -- it's not fact, but that -- i would argue "angels in america" have brought attention to the loneliness of the working man and the aids crisis in ways that amplify the activism and the journalism going on. >> i would like to ask both of you how you think about making these tradeoffs sometimes between this sort of full complexity of something and it's sort of sense and the emotional story telling requires after we take this break. [ male announcer ] this is lawn ranger -- eden prairie, minnesota. in here, the landscaping business grows with snow. to keep big winter jobs on track, at&t provided a mobile solution that lets everyone from field workers to accounting, initiate, bill, and track work in real time. you can't live under a dome in minnesota,

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your -- your responsibility is to good story telling and your responsibility is to accuracy in some general sense. i think of your last play "mountain top." it was a pretty loaded piece of history, right? to write about. dr. king's final night. it's like if you mess with that too much, you're going to get -- and people did get angry, right? >> absolutely. >> because you conreceived of a -- imaginary counter between a hotel. >> hotel maid and him. >> how do you think that through? how did you go thinking about what the history had to be -- >> i did tons and tons of research but my job is to put stories of people on stage, humanity. i think a lot of people got angry that i was taking this icon of the pedestal and, you know, making him have complexities and frailties and even some negative qualities.

so the ire that rose in the wake of that, you know, was -- was interesting and i understand how people want to keep things -- keep history at a distance, but, for me, my job as a dramaist is affect people in the here and now. so whatever story telling techniques i need to use in order to that, i do that, but i do think about the accuracy. >> the other side, right, if you walk away with a vital misapprehension about the facts of king's life or walk away thinking something about the conditions and the factories in china where you visited where apple products are made, if you walk away with a misapprehension, some degree you feel like you've failed the viewer, right? >> yeah. i wrestle with this constantly. especially in light of how much more information there is now than there was when i made my journey over there. then i actually have to also wrestle with the fact that the monologue i perform is about a

journey and what i saw then and then the constantly evolving situation what is happening in the media right now talking about inspections and large economic zone. as you get involved in what is sort of a growing movement, there becomes incredible tensions between the artistic experience on the stage, which is a story that exists to evoke human connections to our devices, to make us -- surely the starting point of activism. then there is urge from people. why can't this be in the show and this and this and this? i would love to. it's seven hours long now! i find myself making things and giving interviews and create a framework around it and why why my people who watch the show get a sheet of information. from its birth, no way to capture certain frankly didactic

elements. if you feel you need to know more and i hope you do here is where you can research and organizations to contact. there are limits what in that compressed time you can give people. >> i feel like we just opened the door. we allow things to be seen, people to be seen and that is our jobs. >> but i want to contest that insofar as there is a degree to which the kony filmmaker could say this. we opened the door and you can get the information or take a totally extreme example, right? when you tell rush limbaugh you got this thing wrong, you say i'm an entertainer. it's having your cake and eating it too. you can use the tools to inform and activate people but when you're called on the floor then you can be like, w, sorry, i'm an entertainer, right? >> people do that all the time. people do that all the time and you're totally right. like people who are in these roles have a responsibility.

>> right. >> and i have a responsibility. and when i fall short, i need to like talk about it. >> right. >> and. open about it and i think what is what everyone needs to be. >> i'm in that transition point as well. how long do you need it to be to deal with every issue you want me to deal with? it's implicated and it's hard because, you know, we are doing theater and we have to pleas our audience in terms of entertaining them, but, you know, we also want to educate them as well. >> then you can get these sort of dual tracking of the criticisms, right? people will say the monologue lags here. area of tension you can build there and you're leaving this or this out or some political critique. rebecca? you want to say something? >> your point saying i'm an entertainer doesn't count seems to play into this week's news story. you look at the discussion of bill mar's reaction and what he has said. but he's a comedian. you either buy or don't buy and

you get mad or don't get mad. okay. i saw get mad at bill mar because he is -- do you get mad at jon stewart or "saturday night live" for making fun? at what point -- it ties into the journalistic theater and then moves over to what kind of entertainers and what kind of story tellers are we talking about? i think the lines are so blurry. you have to draw them around yourself. >> they are blurry and to me the reason is important vital conversation right now because when you check your facebook feed, the stuff that's coming into it is as likely to be some artifact of culture as it is ton an article in "the guardian" or "the new york times." it's likely to be a clip from "the daily show," or a cartoon or something from a movie, right? we are constantly getting this information or fed into our scream and there is a variety of different things we will evaluate it we have to erect from scratch to figure out,

like, okay, someone tweeted this kony video i'll watch it and retweeted it. >> i feel like it goes in both directions. i feel like the myth of objective journalism is a myth. i think that it would be better if our country was a little more like the papers exist in the uk where this sort of assumption and understanding that digit papers have different house styles and different -- >> right. >> i think the myth is a myth of objective journalism and i think the myth of the entertainer. >> right. >> there is -- i don't think there is such a thing as just sort of a blanket excuse where you can just say something public and be like it doesn't matter. >> i'm an entertainer, right. >> you should not -- that excuse doesn't exist any more, especially if you can gauge with political issues. >> not just newspapers in the uk but in europe but in this country at its founding. the newspapers were not objective. now, you want to be fair, you want to be honest, you want to be responsible, but i do think a lot of this conversation is

about the obliteration of the line between news and culture at best, or news and sensationalism and a breadth of celebrity which too often filled our papers. you brought the story, but of a system that needs to be looked at. >> let's talk more about this after we come back. the best part of any great meal?

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hal's new play. called "her village." it is scheduled for demolition. >> absolutely. >> like many across the country have been. how did you come to write this work? >> it's based on a real life housing project called hurt village and in 2002 was demolished. basically, the city applied for a government grant and ended up getting $35 million to raze not only orvilleage but other housing projects. for me i needed to write the story because it was so happening now and i grew up, you know, in this and hearing about this housing project and hearing the stories and how it was bad and, you know, michael orr is from hurt village and it existed in the third course zip code in the nation. i wanted to deconstruct what concentrated poverty is and what it does to people's souls and what is the human impact of concentrated poverty. >> i read the play last night and found it very affecting but i kept asking myself, writing is

an artist is about concentrated poverty, the play is among people who are very poor, right? >> extremely poor. >> and how do you write about it in a way that doesn't reinforce certain stoereotypes of intense poverty and doesn't allow people to be like this is the ghetto and i've seen this before. it seems like a challenge for a writer. >> for me, i have to deal with the people first. and because i have family members who, you know, are struggling, who are trying to, you know, get on section 8 or move up higher on the ladder towards the american dream, you know, i had a fly on the wall perspective, you know, growing up as a child. for me, it was looking at those stories and looking at reality, looking at, you know, how my family members were being hurt by it, and then going and doing the research. like i talked to so many hurt village residents and something they kept on saying to me, you can't cross over this stuff.

like we dealt with some hard stuff, like hurt village, you know, there was a street called old time street behind her village and called the million dollar track because everyone knew they could get their drugs there. this young woman who was a hurt village resident she was like tell the truth about it but weave in the love and weave in the community and weave in the connection that we had as a village because that is what we were, we were a family. >> there's such little attention paid to poverty in this country today, that a play like yours, which i look forward to seeing, could be so powerful, but i also think back you raised a question of how do you write about poverty in a way that doesn't make it something -- >> yeah. >> provoke pity. >> michael harrington who wrote "the other america" 50 years ago, we have an essay this week by a great ally in this nation and admired michael harrington but she worries in that book he did begin and lay the seeds for what became culture of poverty.

for charles murray and senator daniel patrick moynahan's on the family. it's complicated but sounds like you've done from within. >> there's a lot of dysfunction that i will say quite frankly, are tropes of that culture of poverty. teenage pregnancy, infidelity and missing fathers and all of the things -- >> the sta tastistics in this country 1 in 6 living in near poverty. i think there is a moment to see anew. >> unfortunately, it's a fact that 1 in 3 black children are growing up in poverty. okay 33% of my people? these kids are growing up in poverty? let's talk about that. let's put that on stage. let's put people in a room and be affected by seeing, you know, these people go through the journey. >> you did so much research in "hurt village" and when you sat down to write that play, it's

like some privileged white new york feeder goer the only thing they will know about that is what they see in your play. what do you owe them that is the frustrating part, i think, i'm dealing with because, okay, we are at signature theater and they have a subscriber base and most of those subscribers are older white people. so i'm like, well, am i, you know, showing them that this is what it really is like all the time, all the time? is this what their assumption is anyway? am i validating that assumption? i'm actually having that argument with myself but then, you know, diversity is creeping into that audience where you have, you know, latino kids, black kids, people who don't have a lot of money because, you know, the tickets are $25. and so you're having diversity happening in the audience and people are seeing this together across so many different lines and teaching each other that, oh, there are certain truce and certain things that need to be deconstructed a little bit more? but the conversation is

starting, though, awareness is happening. >> the signature theater and one another week? >> another two weeks. >> that is at the signature theater in new york and i imagine in other plays. >> i hope so. >> what do we know that we didn't know last week? my answers after this. [ male announcer ] fighting pepperoni heartburn and pepperoni breath? fight both fast with new tums freshers! concentrated relief that goes to work in seconds and freshens breath. new tums freshers. ♪ tum...tum...tum...tum... tums! ♪ [ male announcer ] fast relief, fresh breath, all in a pocket sized pack.

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♪ quick update on a story we did last week with about a case before supreme court asked corporations would be held liable for human rights violations committed aboard. the case was filed by 12 nigerian plaintiffs who allege that shell parent company aided to the execution of nigerian dictatorship between 1992 and 1995. on monday the case ordered the case to be retried and focus on the scope of the alien tort statute as a whole. the case whether american might

hear cases like this and something they did with citizens united before and rearguing on a broader provide. we will keep close eye on that. right now, it's time for a preview of what is coming up this morning with melissa. >> both of you have been pretty bummed out having to talk about a certain radio talk show host. that reminded me to dig up a political science paper from 1962 that speaks perfectly to this moment and i'm not totally kidding about. i want to have a word or two with the viewers this morning about the controversy over president obama's hug with the late professor derek bell. and as all of your bump-in music, this morning, has been reminding us it is a big anniversary for the notorious b.i.g. who with was gunned down 15 years ago yesterday. we will talk about hip-hop and politics this morning. >> i cannot wait for that conversation. unsolved murder i will also note. >> exactly. >> melissa is coming up next. what do we know now we didn't

know last week? the missouri state capital will be getting an eclectic pair of new busts. it features from harry truman to bob barker and one blogged about a new bus he is commissioned to create. one is slave who sued for his freedom the second is none other than notorious right wing radio host missouri native rush limbaugh. only book win with "big fat idiot" in the title. we know cartoonist mike lester swooped into do rush limbaugh to do one better with this cartoon to add racism to limbaugh's massageony. we know voters of any stripe young women and african-american women in particular will be hesitant to join a political coalition, many prominent voices

seem to bear them nothing but kec contempt. women in turkey protesting violence to women in egypt to help draft the new constitution. in the u.s. we know many have stalled we know the united states is tied with turkmenistan at number 78 below kazakhstan. we know that in afghanistan, two steps toward and thousands of steps back. we know that securing basic human rights for women in afghanistan was the justice isks of the money spent on waging the war on terror in afghanistan. laura bush called it a fight for the rights of dignity in women in 2001.

we kn we know in the years of the biggest financial crisis in 70 years the same 1% that benefited from the dysfunctions and balances that brought about the crisis are reaping outside gains. new data from university of california at berkeley shows top 1% captured 93% of income gains in the first year of recovery and that is 2010. we know that it is this fundamental imbalance we must address if we are to avoid another round of financial and democratic crises. after tuesday's democratic primary in ohio's ninth congressional district we know eight-term congressman and dennis kucinich will not return to congress next year. he was moved into a district shared by 15-term incumbent marcy kaptor who beat kucinich. we know kucinich is a constant voice for progressive ideas and causes throughout the years and beltway political class and biggest and most important issues from iraq to single payer

kucinich has been right and the people in the capital have been wrong. we know he will be sorely missed but given his remarkable and political career so far, we suspect we haven't heard the last from him. what do my guests know they didn't know when the week began? we will find out after this. [ female announcer ] the best things in life are the real things. nature valley trail mix bars are made with real ingredients you can see. like whole roasted nuts, chewy granola, and real fruit. nature valley trail mix bars.

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♪ i want to find out what my guests know now that they didn't know when the week began. what do you know? >> the gle 8 summit has been moved to camp david. the president said that for reasons of intimacy, i think there were concerns about the protests, occupy, but what should not be off the radar at any point is the idea of whose time has come. the financial transaction tax, call it the robin hood tax, call it tax wall street, heal main

street. small tax on currency stock derivatives to provide massive revenues and curb short-term speculation. and everyone from angela merkle, sarkozy of france, bill gates, are for it, as are nurses united in the united states. you can have the coalition to curb short-term speculate. bring in $350 billion in revenue each year and restore wall street to the popper place in economy. >> a quarter of a cent on every dollar in trade that has a lot of good use. mike, what do you now snow in. >> i know something on a person level, which is really exciting to see it in the press, and that's the feature that ran in mother jones about the warehouse, which is the largest warehouse supplier for online shipping. and it was about what it's like to work at the warehouse. what i loved about the story is that it really connected the dots because the conditions that

i talk about that have been documented in shenzhen, there's a temptation with chinese workers around the world are so far than the first world here, the warehouses in the middle of america, they send all the stuff you order and come out of workers working in very brutal conditions. and i felt like the stories of how they get crushed down, how their hours get extended, match so closely to what i saw and others have seen in shenzhen. >> we should check out the article and post it on our website. what do you now snow in. >> rwanda, the small country in calf africa, is number one in terms of the percentage of women in their parliament. having been there and seeing how this country is trying to get past 1994, the genocide, and the society and how they are relying on the decision-making of women

was really beautiful. >> we were surprised by that fact, too. rebecca, what do you know? >> i read a story in "the tampa bay times" that it is hard to keep track of what florida legislatures are doing around the country, but florida has a right to praifcy within the state constitution, if roe were overturned nationally, it would still be legal in the state of florida. conservatives are trying to do all crazy things but i learned they are trying to undo to make an amendment to the state's constitution to undo the right to privacy and are calling this, prohibition on public -- on the ballot in november, prohibition on public funding of abortion: construction of abortion rights. and if you vote for that will undo the privacy right that would protect abortion. >> of course, the series of cases that lead to row identify a right to privacy in the

constitution and that's the key provision under which griswald was funded and then led to row. thank you. court village, kitoria hall, rebecca, thank you all for getting up. thank you for joining us. coming up next is melissa harris-perry. join us tomorrow morning at 8:00 a.m. we'll have a rare in-depth conversation about u.s., israel and the palestinian conflict. we'll be posting more information on tomorrow's program on twitter. i'm chris, see you tomorrow. thanks for getting up. [ male announcer ] if you think any battery will do... consider the journey of today's athletes: ♪ their training depends on technology. [ beeping, ticks ] and when their devices are powered by a battery,

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