tv The Dylan Ratigan Show MSNBC March 30, 2012 4:00pm-5:00pm EDT
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against you, but 97% of the time, you lose a little. this is really pretty bad. >> i think it's 176 million to 1. >> yeah. but then people run around and say, if you spend $176 million, you can guarantee your win, but that doesn't account for the split. you could spend 76 million for the million. it's a disaster. >> is it safe to assume that after that brilliant and erudite description -- >> i'm sorry to interrupt. >> is it safe to say after that brilliant description that you're not buying a lottery ticket? >> absolutely not. i have, like, ten of them. let us do this. thank you, martin. have a wonderful weekend. maybe we'll go fishing soon. would you go fishing with me? >> i'd love to. >> we'll go fishing. that's off topic, but you're like, while i've got you on the phone, do you want to go
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fishing? anyway, the show starts right now. a lovely spring friday afternoon to you here in new york, and really across most of our country. i am dylan ratigan. nice to see you. a bizarre lead for our show today, but heck, it's the only thing people are talking about this afternoon, the mega millions jackpot, an all-time lottery high in the history of american lottery. the pot already at a whopping $640 million. that is a $246 million lump sum payout to the lucky winner. the jackpot will only grow until the numbers are picked at 11:00 eastern time tonight, but before you think, wow, who could spend that money? well, thanks to our friends over at usa today, the federal government spends pretty much that money every 90 minutes or so, so they could spend it. and the top paid hedge fund managers in new york pay more than that in taxes every year.
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even so, everyone seems to have lotto fever, including our favorite, steven colbert. >> i've got to tell you, i've got the winner right here. went with my old stand-by, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. okay? same as my bank pin. oops, you know what, timmy, let's edit that out. >> can do. >> okay, thanks. >> let's see how things are actually going in the land of lottery favor. we're at a card and gift shop in bayonne, new jersey. how are spirits out there, gabe? >> dylan, people are excited out here. i'm excited. i just got my ticket a couple hours ago. we just talked to one man who dropped $700 on mega millions tickets for himself and his company. he just, you know, is excited to be out here. he's hoping that his company is going to be able to share in this prize money. as you mentioned, that jackpot now up to $640 million, a lump
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sum, about 462 million. it's a little less than that after taxes, but that drawing is at 11:00 tonight on the east coast. here in new jersey, customers bought up more than 6 million tickets yesterday alone, and the response has been so huge that if nobody picks the winning numbers tonight, lottery organizers are considering holding the next drawing in times square, not atlanta. that drawing could be as much as about $975 million. but again, with so many people playing tonight, they're just waiting to see what tonight will bring at the drawing in atlanta. back to you, dylan. >> i got a little advice that i wanted to share with you that maybe some lotto ticket buyers, you could maybe help them out a little bit, gabe. it's something that occurred to me on the subway coming in. we know the odds are high. you have a better chance of getting hit by lightning, better chance of getting bitten by a shark, but we don't want to be a
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downer. here's the thing. what are there, 56 numbers, gabe? there's 56 numbers total, right, 1 to 56? >> that's right, so the odds are pretty stacked against you. >> what they found out is that people love to play their birthdays on lottery tickets. so if you pick numbers between 32 and 56 as opposed to 1 and 31, your odds of winning are no higher. obviously, it doesn't matter what the numbers are. but in the event you win with a number between 32 and 56, there will be fewer winners and you'll have to split it with fewer people. so if you want to keep all the money for yourself, play the numbers between 32 and 56 because you're not competing with everybody's birthday. >> that's a pretty good theory. but the odds are stacked against you. people aren't going for any scientific theory. they're playing their kids'
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birthdays and whatnot. they're just happy to be coming together. this is something that really is just bringing people together. everybody likes to dream and fantasize and see what they can possibly do with this money, so it's really exciting to see and we expect to see even more people once they get off work a little later this afternoon, dylan. >> keep us posted, gabe. i want to turn our attention to -- the fever is everywhere. every office, every home. so much money is coming from either office pools, factory pools, all sorts of groups, right? we have a little secret for you. even the d.r. production team, the folks that help us enjoy the benefit of this conversation every afternoon, have got their own pool going. but how much do we really trust our coworkers in these situations? a judge in new jersey, in fact, recently had to order that guy right there to share his $17 million lump sum mega million winnings with his coworkers. he bought it with all of them
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and -- you see what happened. the five former friends had to take him to court claiming that they bought the ticket in an office pool, but emerico lopes told them he had to have surgery on his feet and that he bought a different ticket. they did not agree. shane specializes in lottery disputes. let's just use the d.r. show pool here and be very practical. i've got 11 folks here, we've got a stack of tickets. obviously chances at any of these tickets pays our staff all this money, very low, and in the event they do get paid, the chances that one of them runs off with the money and we never see them again, probably 50-50. which you got to figure is pretty much true everywhere. so what sort of -- what do we need to know legally about how
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these office pools work in the event somebody actually wins? >> really, what you need to know is there is no written law out there about just general office pool. it's contractual in nature, and that's the difficult part about this, is there's no real written rules that anyone has, especially in your normal, everyday job or workplace, and there's no real game plan about what's supposed to happen and who is supposed to get what if, in fact, you do win. >> so what you're saying is if somebody wanted to scramble with the ticket, they can. >> it's possible. i would hope that there's some type of evidence that the rest of the pool can set forth to show that they're entitled to at least a portion of those winnings, but i know that most states really only recognize one true winner as the lottery winner despite the fact that there is a pool, and that true winner is the owner and holder of the ticket upon presentation to that state lottery board.
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>> what should the pool of evidence be? should we be circulating some form the contract at the commercial break? >> i know that's a little impractical. i should be saying yes, just speaking figuratively. i know there are some type of written rules about who can participate, how participation begins, what happens in the event of, let's say, someone who plays every day, every week, all of a sudden they're not there that day, they're out sick, what happens in that case, and i would also recommend that photocopies are made of all the lottery tickets and disbursed to the pool members prior to the drawing so everyone knows that that is, in fact, the pool ticket and someone can't claim that was purchased with their own individual money and not pool money. >> so making photocopies for everybody ahead of time would be a good sort of intermediate contingency for the pooling concept, yeah? >> correct. yes. >> so i've got photocopies of our office pool. see this right here?
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i've got all the copies up. in my case -- i've got a bunch of them, actually. we're probably going to win this thing when you look at all the pages here. that's a lot of numbers. in my case, i had nothing to do with this, you understand? this is their money, their numbers, their pool, but my name is on the show, you see. and i'll have a piece of paper. so how does that work? let's say you really have nothing to do with it, you're asleep at the switch, you weren't even paying attention, but you happen to be the front man, as it were. >> it's a compelling argument you make, and i don't know -- >> can i just take all the money? >> do you have the ticket? >> yeah. >> you have the original? >> oh, this doesn't count? >> the photocopy doesn't count as the original, no. >> they tell me tammy has it ndk she is the most trustworthy
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person on the staff, probably in the building, and she's not going to let me have it. probably the best thing is to make photocopies. >> practically speaking, i would obviously recommend more, but across the country, that's what you should be doing at the least. >> are you playing, shane? >> i am not playing. >> what's your problem? >> they don't offer it in florida. but if you'd like, i'd love to get involved in your pool there. >> the dylan ratigan scam where i lift the money -- i'll split it with you. i'll play your lawyer. i'll hire you to defend the money. i'll pay you well, man. it's 640 million. no? >> i'd rather just be part of the winning group. >> a pleasure. enjoy your weekend and thank you, shane. >> thanks for having me. from the mega millions to the mega panel, we'll talk babot the new way governments are looking to measure the health and happiness of nations. some admitting the gdp simply doesn't cut it.
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plus, hook it up. not like that. we're diving into how your community could last 25,000 smackaroos with a good fishing spot. and -- what i can't fathom is how someone can drink ice cold beer in freezing weather. >> cliff. explanation, please. >> how do you know he has one? >> $5 says he has one, 10 says it's a doozy. >> why do you drink ice cold beer on a hot day? >> mr. craven? >> our favorite expert on everything on "cheers," and he joins us as an expert on 30 million jobs, coming up. ok! who gets occasional constipation,
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how do you measure the health of a nation? we all know it's more than dollars and cents, and now they're looking to find gross national happiness. they gathered doctors of psychology, inn nobel laureate, working on such things. so-called subjective happiness is what they call it. we know they don't really measure something other than what doesn't exist, so anything that can provide a more realistic view than ours as humans is welcome. here we have ari crystal and
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tore. let's presume for a second using modern tools and problem solving that some sort of index can be conjured to measure some sort of measure of happiness based on are people realizing their potential and do they have healthy community relationships and the sort of things we talked about. if such an index were to actually exist, do you think it could ever actually be used? in other words, gdp and the unemployment numbers reflects government policy, even though the number is completely wrong. does anyone at this table really believe that if a happiness index were to have some veracity would be a valid measure of policymaking in this country? >> i think so, and i think we have a bias as human beings in what we can count and measure, and that's why einstein said a lot of times the things that count can't be counted. we have ideas here around taxes which upset everyone because they can see it. gas prices, like we talked about
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on the show, upsets people because it's a tangible thing they experience even though there are a lot of other things costing them. you talked about what trade costs people in wait we organize our policies, but people don't experience it in that tangible way. so if you came up with a number that was credible and somehow baked into our understanding of government policy whether people were actually feeling better, yeah. >> the thing that makes me uncomfortable about using it in terms of policymaking is that we may make the people happy in the short term, and that's not good for them in the long term. and a lot of people will vote or choose against their own personal interests, so we may be sort of feeding them this sort of opium -- i mean, it's just the same way we talk about the drug. >> did you mean to say hopium? >> i didn't, but that's also a good word. you smoke a little, you drink a little, you feel better. you wake up the next morning,
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you feel like crap. you say, i shouldn't have done that, it's bad for me long term. >> are you suggesting the national happy index is just who is smoking grass and drinking beers at night? >> i'm using it as a way to get to that. >> does it really have to do with are you realizing your potential? >> how do you feel about your life? one of the things that economics doesn't do a good job at that they talk about a lot but they don't actually do a good job of is talking about extras. the classic example is pollution. that's not taking into account typically in our public policy, just the profits and dollars and cents. same thing with happiness. that's another outcome of our policy. it's another sort of extranality that isn't taken into account right now. you wouldn't want to base policy 100% on the national index.
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>> why do you keep smirking at me? ari now has a particular status that no one else has. >> i know, i know, and i was actually really proud. you did a great job, you rocked it. >> he's like -- i don't even know how to describe it. >> i sat in that chair. i know what it's like. it's not as hard as you make it out to be. i made it look good. >> he's saying, honestly, i would do a better job with this happiness conversation if i was sitting there. whether or not he would, we're not going to discuss until after the show. >> but you can speak now. >> the reason i'm laughing is i just feel like this happiness jump-off point has allowed everyone to say three completely different non-connected things. i didn't do any better than anyone else, and you talked about drougs, and you talked about extranalaty. >> that's why we're here, to all bring a unique perspective. it wouldn't be interesting if we were all saying the same thing.
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>> ari as the host now gets the frustration that i live through every day when i ask a question. they're like, i like turgtles, and i'm like, that's fantastic. and i say how about you, krystal? people drink too much. quickly, quickly. >> when we bombed afghanistan, that made a lot of people in this country happy. when we attacked iraq, that made people happy. was that a good idea for us? >> are you saying the happy index is correlated to war? >> of course it is, but these are things we did policywise that made a lot of people happy. >> i have to move on. >> the policy things that are actually connected to happiness are employment and having a lot of social time, leaisure time. those are actual policy things that make us happy. >> do you know what makes me happy? this pen. you have to be a real man to
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pull that pen out, dylan. the panel stays. we'll bring them back in a second and now on to something of less consequence, but we should be happy to be able to talk about it in a free way and organize ourselves to do something about it. attention to the newest campaign by our friends over at united republic looking to lock the revolving door in washington, d.c. where politicians leave. they go to the coal people, the oil people, you know how that works. american republic has sent letters to all 36 retired members of congress saying, you must fully disclose on your web sites which private interest firms you are currently negotiating with for your next jobs. there is now a disclosure lock currently on the books that actually exists, but as they continue to point out, that law is utterly useless because there are so many loopholes that it create the ambience of closure without actually having to comply with it. joining us is senior
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investigat investigator, and your work, lee, it's nice to meet you finally on tv. just how bad is the revolving door and we'll talk about what you guys can do about it. >> thanks, dylan. we are focusing on this issue that we're becoming extremely concerned with what we're calling back door bribery, this legalized form of bribery where a lawmaker cuts a special deal or writes a law that benefits a private interest and then goes and retires from congress and works for that private interest, often with a multi-million-dollar salary. this affects both the left and the right. so really, if you want to win mega millions, become a congressman and then go to k street. >> who complied with the united republic demand or challenge to disclose, of those who are retiring? >> congressman dale kildee of michigan says he will disclose on his web site if he works in the private sector. brad miller from north carolina, but pretty much everyone else
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has rejected us or not responded. congressman heath schuler, also from north carolina, is openly negotiating for a job on k street even while he's positioning himself to be a major player in tax reform debates this year, and he's retiring so he can go to k street and get a multi-million-dollar salary. so is joe lieberman. he rejected our offer. last week he was just honored by hundreds of corporate lobbyists. >> so you gottlieb lieberman te you no way, jose, i'm taking the money and walking. you got schuler, and who is the other one who complied? >> dale kildee says he'll comply and negotiate. pretty much everyone else has rejected us. congresswoman jean schmitt ran away from us when we asked, so i'm not expecting her to answer. >> i'm looking at barney frank. he's a good guy, cares about the people, cares about the liberal, has good rhetoric.
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he would agree with this, right? >> one would hope so, but i saw in politico the other day, some of the biggest bank lobbying firms are recruiting barney frank to be their chief lobbyist. at the same time, we asked him to comply with this very simple disclosure request, and he said no. >> interesting, because i remember during the bank reform debate when the democrats claimed to be working to reform the banks, it was barney frank who was one of the ones very aggressive to make sure some of the profits of banking didn't get reformed, wasn't put into public. i love watching the democrats pretend to care about these things and then take the money from the banks. i feel like the republicans, you know they're weasels, you know they're going to try to weasel you over, but i feel like the democrats like to make their living by pretending they care about human beings, like barney frank who will take some money on the bank side after they pass the big bank reform laws. is this too much for me, lee? >> no, it's pretty accurate.
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w wi wilhelm retired in 2010, and now guess who his employer is? the same recipients across the board. >> i'm stunned. if this was russia or iran or somewhere like that, both of us would be in jail, lee. fortunately it's america and we're privileged to have you with us and msnbc and this program, so great work to you and united republic for doing one thing we can do in this country, which is to bring to the excruciating light of day to put these men on the crucible truth of public so they at least suffer from the shame and lack of nobility. the panel is still here. and straight ahead, our next guest really does know it all. jon ratsenbarger from "cheers."
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. it's a quirk in the claven family that we have two extra teeth. it's the only way we can prove that we have the right to the russian throne. >> you may remember our next guest from one of the american classics, "cheers." he's on a mission to get americans back to work and is involved with what's called the most program. it seems out manufacturing companies that have job openings and then says to them, well, tell us what it is you need the
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people to be able to do if you want to hire them and we'll worry about getting them the training and then place those workers in the new employment environment. 97% completion rate. more than a quarter million unfilled jobs over the past two years and that largely attributed to a lack of skilled workers for those specific jobs. joining us now from a barstool at cheers -- >> anywhere. >> -- john, a pleasure. >> thanks for having me. >> this is actually a really amazing thing you're working on with tremendous results. before we get into it, you had some thoughts on this -- >> the happiness index. >> it's kind of exciting, right? >> taxpayers are paying for it? >> oh, yeah. >> it's kind of like wavy gravy
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is in charge, the people who put woodstock together. let's have a happiness index. >> we're caring about people being happy. >> you used to be able to look somebody in the eye and go, oh, they're happy. but taxpayers are paying for happy index. >> we're going to measure it and change policy based on happiness. >> just clean out the garage. get the leaves out of the rain gutter. >> jobs. that's what would make people happy. >> what's the problem? the problem is you got a company that wants to hire somebody, and how does your organization -- where do you pick up from there? >> well, to begin with, there is 600,000 jobs available today in manufacturing. but because these last few generations we've been taught, oh, you don't want to go into manufacturing, you want to be a political scientist. you want to be a poet. you want to be a ballerina or an actor. >> tv host. >> tv host.
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but nobody wanted to go into manufacturing, even though right now those jobs, you can make six figures very easily in all aspects of manufacturing. what's been happening, especially when the vets come back, they go to the v. a. or community college, and is they'll take a course, but to get certified in a job that may not exist in their home town or even in their area. what we do is we go to the companies, whether it's an aircraft company, afco life or whatever it is, and we say what do you need? i'll say, we need six c and c machine operators -- i'll explain that to you later -- ten welders, whatever it is -- >> you probably know.
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>> we're taught there's no more shop courses, no more welding mechanics, wood shop, so kids come out of high school without the ability to read a ruler. that's why there is such a deficit in manufacturing. manufacturing is the backbone. it is the strength of our civilization. somebody had to make this. somebody had to repair the bridge you came across, the subways, the tunnels, the electricity to all manufacturing. people who know how to put a nut and a bolt together. right now there's 600,000 jobs available, so we train them. we pull up our trailer trucks and we put them through a two-week course, then four weeks on the job in the factory, but we guarantee them work. >> it's basically reverse engineered in the sense that you find the demand -- go ahead, guys. >> let me ask you, what sort of skills are you typically providing them with? because isn't a lot of manufacturing, my understanding is it's becoming more and more complicated, it's actually
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requiring more and more technical computer-based skills. >> some of it it is. >> are you able to get that kind of training in two weeks, four weeks time? >> oh, sure, because a lot of these people come out of the armed forces. there was a young lady, and i won't use her name, but she was in charge of 40 people in the air force at an air force base. she came out, couldn't find a job. by the time she came to us, she was almost -- she was living in her car with her dog. now, she had the computer skills. she had all that. so we set her up. two weeks later, boom, she's working. and she's one of that 95% that are still on the job. >> as we said before, cheers is one of the most extraordinary shows of its time, you are extraordinary on the show, but let's stay focused on most, okay? i just wanted to get that out there. >> a little segue. >> black unemployment double the national average. a lot of black people go to apply for a job and, you know,
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it's like they're treated as if they have a felony. they get called back as often as a white person with a felony. so we have specific problems related with our community in finding work in general, also in this field. how are you doing placing black people in jobs? do you have special challenges in getting that sort of outreach? >> you qualify for the program, you're in the program. it doesn't make any difference what color you are. but also, interestingly enough -- >> but when you go to the employer, it does matter. >> no, it doesn't. we haven't found that. we haven't found that at all. but when we canceled shop courses in schools, the dropout rate went up 30% almost immediately. because so many people were told, well, if you work with your hands, work in a factory, the media tells us that, movies, tv, it just means you're stupid. and i've talked to leaders in school systems, and they want all their kids to go to college. how dare you say our kids should be doing this manual labor?
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well, listen, kids could be making 85,000 a year, 160,000 a year. it's not always manual labor. they're some kind of welders. >> you were a carpenter before you were an actor, so it's close to your heart. >> also i understand infrastructure. that's what civilization is. >> do we get to talk about "cheers" at all? >> yeah. go ahead. >> i love the episode when you were on jeopardy and you were up by 30,000, but then cliff had to, like, had to know the answer in the final one. >> oh, yeah. yeah. cliff is based on those type of people. >> i remember the question they asked. >> what was the question? >> it was what do these people have in common, and you put none of them have been in hi living room. >> they gave the real life names of kirk douglas, tony curtis and somebody else and they said, what three people have not been in my kitchen. >> you know like the wayne's
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world episode where mick jagger or somebody visited them, and they were like, remember that episode on cheers? that was awesome. then remember when there was woody? that was awesome. >> remember kirstie alley. she was awesome. >> still is. you get the last word, john. >> it was the brass ring of show business because i sat at a bar for 11 years cracking jokes and getting paid for it. and then pixar. so hand me the pig and all that, so i've been very, very blessed. >> for a non-trained actor, you've had an extraordinary career. >> it's because i didn't know enough to get in my own way. i think. it's kind of a little bit of zen there. you just don't get in your own way. just do your job, get paid, go home. very simple. >> it's amazing what you're doing with your success. >> everybody used to have skills, by the way. most of those people were
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farmers so they brought a lot of common sense to the game. now most of them have never had a job in their life. they don't have a lot of common sense to bring to the game. but if you're an elected official in my country, i want you to put together a coffee table for ikea before you take off. if you can't do that, what are you doing running my country? >> that's the first task. >> i sat on the board at a university and i told the president, before we hand out the degrees, have them change a tire on their car. if you can't change a tire on your car, you're out. you have to spend another year. >> it's an honor, a pleasure, and thank you for doing the wonderful work you're doing, too. it's cool. >> thank you. if you go to mostjobstraining.com. >>apital mo-o-s-t jobstraining.com. we'll put that up on the web site. >> if you're a manufacturer looking for workers, and they all are --.
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>> mostjobstraining.com. thank you, john ratzenberger. up next, what would you do with the 460 million in the mega millions? we'll talk about that after this. last time i was at a sleepover my parents had kraft mac & cheese without me. so this time, i took precautionary measures. looking for these? [ rattling ] [ male announcer ] kraft macaroni & cheese. you know you love it.
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test easy. here's a look moments ago at an auto dealer in bayonne, new jersey, waiting for the evening rush. time is running out to get your hands on the mega millions ticket. while we wait to hear the numbers, you're dreaming about what you would do with all that money. here's what some of our followers are saying about the money. this one from middle class houses. that's easy. i would do what all of you guys do, i would buy myself an election or at least a politician. well said, my friend. true math says, buy better suicide nets for foxconn.
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a little dark but it could save some lives seeing as how we continue to fund eye slavery. eric bellamy would look at how to spread some love. we can't leave out our very own guests ari melber who tweeted, two words, beach punditry. and jimmy williams, i would do the d.r. show every day, and finally, valuable advice from our resident cheater, jeff chrysl chrysler, if you win this thing, baby, reinvest! in other words, buy 650 million lottery tickets. if the staff pool wins the jackpot, they're swearing to us that they'll stick around. but hey, even if they don't, at least we know there will be 11 more of those 30 million jobs that we need.
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town in the usa. the winning spot, wherever it may be, stands to reel in a $25,000 bounty for the benefit of their community, not to mention some serious tourism action after having been awarded the grand title of the ultimate fishing town. so what does it take to win such a title? joining us now, mariko azumi, host of the fi"hooking up." what describes the ultimate? >> everybody thinks their town is the ultimate fishing town. whether there is actually many bodies of water where you can actually fish or if you have just a town full of anglers. >> so you're saying you could have a town that actually doesn't have fishing, but if
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there's a town that loves fishing, they could win. >> technically, yeah. >> has that ever happened? >> no. and i'll tell you the main reason why. there is actually fishing everywhere. i host my show where i travel and fish if n an all sorts of p and i always find fishing. >> the first ultimate fishing town was port alberni in british columbia. what did they do? >> i actually visited them afterwards and they were everything. they had a bunch of water. they had rivers, lakes and the ocean, so they had a ton of fishing but they also had really enthusiastic anglers who were always out fishing when they were off work, for work. they had it all. >> and rosco? >> rosco is a town of 6,000 people. they claimed to have the oldest fishing tackle store in all the states, so that's something.
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>> so a big trout town? >> yeah. big fly fishing. >> let's say where i grew up, santa klara. >> you should nominate them. >> if i wanted to nominate them, how would i go about doing that? >> you go to our web site and add as much as you can to that so it's the most interesting nomination. if you're scrolling down and you see that your town is already nominated, don't let that stop you. add your support to that. you want it to be vibrant, happening. >> what about fish celebrations, fish parades, fish festivals. like a fish float of some kind. is this possible? would that help? >> that would help immensely. i think you should do those kinds of celebrations, film it and then upload it on the nomination.
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>> so if he were to film it and upload it, that would give him a leg up? >> i think so. >> do you fish? >> i fish a lot. >> do you? >> i host a fishing show. >> but hosting is different than fishing. >> my job is to actually fish. i'm in the boat, i'm in the water, i'm reeling in my own fish. >> do you know this guy. >>jerry: -- jeremy wade? you got to check it out. >> i haven't met him but i've heard some impressive stuff. >> i'd like to see the two of you on tv fishing. we've got to set that up. >> we should. >> either way, it's a delight to meet you. >> mariku azumi. >> that's right. >> "hooking up" is the show. if you bloelieve you live in th
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it's been over a month since trayvon was murdered with no arrest, and it appears we're going to have a trial. it's just going to be in the media. they say all the world is a stage, well now all the tv station rzs are a courtroom andl the people are a jury. we're creeping, people, toward a boiling point. this is the most hotly divided racial moment in america since
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the o.j. trial, and that was a relatively silly parade of kooks compared to this. this time it's a series of heart attacks. the testimony telling different stories is only making the situation hotter and angryer like each piece emerges like a rorschach and is interpreted differently by different people. beware a history of trayvons fueled by a maddenning flow of information, fueled by george zimmerman and george zimmerman's brother rob whose interview allowed him to tell any fictional story he wanted. >> the last thing he remembered doing was moving his head from the concrete to the grass so if he was banged one more time he wouldn't be wearing diapers the rest of his life and being spoon-fed by his brother and
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there would have been george dead. >> does that in that image look like a man beaten just within inches of his life just 30 minutes prior? add to that the fact that zimmerman's attorney says george and rob haven't spoken in years. so why would he even be on tv talking about george? does that sound like responsible journalism or does that sound like allowing dangerous information to cloud the collective mind at a tense moment in american history? there is a cynical fringe in america right now dying to see zimmerman proved right, and that is eating up this misinformation and being ignorant of the deep historical pain being brought to the surface by this moment. there is also the new black panther party encouraging vigilantism, which is what got us into this mess. they, too, aren't helping. i don't know how this is going to end, but i know this story is a ticking time bomb. this is a moment that sews confusion and dissent and
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division. i'm not saying we would or should see violence, but i'm almost sure we'll see a lasting pain settle into the american soul and damage this country. >> you're saying you're certain that's what's going to happen or you believe that's the risk of what will happen? >> no, i think that's going to happen, because we've already waited so long with nothing affecting -- >> you think the betrayal is in place. >> exactly. the people who feel this is wrong, many black people, many white people are on the right side of this, right, are on trayvon's side of this, right, on the martin family's side. they are angry, and having waited so long for justice to happen, that's not going to go away. that's not just going to be wiped away by an arrest, because we had to yell so loud just for justice to be served? >> were this to materialize in some way. at the end of the day, the real opportunity and the real damage is done by the police
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department. the justice lives -- >> well, both. >> -- with the investigating police department. >> it's two pains. it's that the boy was dehumanized and destroyed and killed by george zimmerman and also that the justice system, the sanford police department, did nothing and did nothing even as the world rose up, and now they seem to be on team zimmerman leaking in a way that would help defend them and defend george. aren't they supposed to be in favor of justice? >> yeah. it's an interesting -- i mean -- interesting is the wrong word. it's a very painful cultural moment. >> and it's a critical moment in american history. this is not going to be easily or quickly forgotten. this is going to be baked into who we are in thisoment in 2012. >> the optimist in me hopes, and i don't know this will happen, but hopes this will abe watershed to establish a new social covenant in this country because the one we have is broken. and i think we n
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