"the ed show" starts right now. good evening americans. welcome to "the ed show." tonight from new york you won't believe who agrees with me on florida's stand your ground law. caution this is "the ed show." let's get to work. >> an unarmed kid is killed and he's allowed to dpo home that same night. >> because of that law in florida. >> the truth slips out over on fox news. >> the law in florida changes everything. in another state that they ever would have happened. >> my challenge to bill o' reilly, get your republican pals to do something about the stand your ground law. >> you're throwing your support to. >> mitt romney. >> ryan endorses romney and gives voters an undeaniable choice. vote for mitt and you can kiss medicare good-bye. eugene robinson on the radical

alliance. >> this is a good crowd in vermont. >> the president let it fly today in vermont. >> the last thing we can afford to do is to go back to the same policies that got us into the mess in the first place. the dow hits another new high. i'll ask bob what it means for re-election. the day of reckoning is set in wisconsin. there's nothing but bad news out of the badger state for scott walker and another democratic challenger jumps in the race. we'll have the latest. >> we're going to return with wisconsin people. we're going get rid of walker. good to have you with us tonight. the stand your ground laws are in the national spotlight because of the trayvon martin killing. bills are stalled in states like iowa, massachusetts and minnesota. they're getting a second look. in florida and more than a dozen other states there's nothing being done to prevent a killing

like this from happening again. bill o' reilly has declared the story is over. he criticized msnbc and other media outlets for bringing attention to the trayvon martin case. >> no media observer knows what happened the night trayvon martin was killed. there they are all eefr the place exploiting the death of a young man insighting violence against the system. awful. >> by talking about the case bill says we're exploiting martin's death and inciting violence. martin family attorney benjamin krump was there to set him straight. >> the only reason that the state stepped in because the kble media and be public. the longer things go without anything happening the next story comes and you kind of forget about it. >> that's not going to happen in this case. >> i won't let it happen. >> he won't let it happen. how generous of you. there's a reason the folks might not rely downfor a story like

this. you see according to bill racial problems in america are gone. >> it's a much more interesting country america if we stop with the race business, i think. i'm not black, so i don't know your struggle, and you don't know my struggle because you're not white. after 9/11, we pretty much dropped that race stuff did we not. we were pretty much all americans. i hear yes. you hear no. >> no, the audience didn't agree. i was there and witnessed it. we don't agree with him now when he says we should stop covering the trayvon martin case. here is why we shouldn't stop covering it. >> what we hopefully is a dialogue how can this investigation have happened like this where you get to the say an unarmed kid is killed and he's allowed to go home that same night. >> because of that law in florida. that law in florida changes everything. >> exactly, bill.

the florida stand your ground law created the conditions for this killing and the chaotic aftermath. at least we agree on this point. bill seems to be misinformed about stand your ground. >> the law in florida changes everything. in another state that never would have happened. >> really. it would have never happened. good research. hang on a second. any other state. there's more than a dozen states with stand your ground laws that were implemented under the lobbying force of the national rifle association p. let's look at some of those e other states. a man named joe horn took advantage of law. this was the 911 call. >> i've got a shotgun. you want me to stop them? >> no. don't go outside of that house.

i don't want you to have that gun in your hand. >> i understand that i a right to protect myself too. the law vs been changed since september 1st. they just stole something. i'm going out the window. i ain't going to let them get away. they stole something. >> don't go out the house. >> i'm doing it. >> mr. horn, do not go out the house. >> you're going to get yourself shot when you go outside with the gun. >> you're dead. >> joe horn was told 14 times to stay inside his house. instead he ignored instructions, went outside and shot two men to death. he was the judge, jury and execution ner and he got off scot-free. fox news treated him as a hero.

>> when your life is on the line and you take a human life, i wanted to live. okay. i will not was going to let those two men kill me. i can assure you if they had got to me, they'd have killed me. >> bill can say there's no reason to cover the trayvon martin case but joe horn proves him wrong. as long as these stand your ground laws are on the books americans have the right to kill other americans without being physically threatened. we've seen it. bill o' reilly seems to understand the florida stand your ground law is bad. at fox news, he has the access to marco rubio and powerful decision makers who designed the law. when will these people will been o' reilly factor. when will he get an nra representative on his somehow and ask why these laws are so

necessary. in that 911 tape, two men were haunted down. no question about it. i think it was some hunting going on on february 26th. the folks are waiting for the call, bill. what do you say? don't spin this one. you for or against the stand your ground law? get your cell phones out. tonight's question, are the stand your ground laws costing americans their lives. text a for yes and b for now. you can go to our blog and leave a comment. we'll bring you the results later on in the show. this is the center of the entire conversation. where are we going to move forward with the laws on the books in this country. do we have lawmakers that have the fortitude to stand up to these radicals out there that are so afraid there's just gun grabbers everywhere. innocent people are dying. confrontations are taking place that don't have to take place. i'm joined tonight by natalie

jackson an attorney for trayvon martin's family and jonathan capehart, an msnbc contributor and washington post opinion writer. great to have you with us. what's your response when you hear someone saying we should stop covering the case until the investigation is finished snd. >> we've talked about this among our team. the family is very tired. they feel that they need this press. they need the media because without the people or support they would have never got tennessen the special prosecutor. they were told your child is dead, george zimmerman claimed self-defense. case closed. >> isn't the story spreading out to iowa, minnesota, massachusetts where the stand your ground laws are getting some serious scrutiny and not flying through the legislative session and getting the signatures they have gotten in

the past? are we seeing a review of what we're doing with gun laws? >> we are seeing that. we're seeing a review and understanding of what the gun laws say. in this case people have purposely misconstrued the justified use of force law. it's for an innocent person who is being attacked. it says you don't have to retreat. you can defend yourself. here we have george zimmerman get out of car, stop and pursue trayvon according to his own words. that's george zimmerman saying that on the dispatch tape. >> i want to point out what happened today. the national rifle association was in alaska lobbying for stand your ground law similar in other states. have the coverage contributed to the stalling of these laws in your opinion? >> i would think so. at least i would hope so it would allow folks to reconsider

what they're doing. not necessarily stop doing a stand your ground law. the florida law is on the far extreme basically granting immunity from people. i think it would be incumbent upon legislatures to take a look at what's happening in florida and figure out how if they decide to go ahead and do something as insane as implementing a stand your ground law to not do it as insanely as as happened in florida. >> this is the scary thing about this. when you get a law like this passed and another state starts getting lobbying saying you got to toughen these laws up in your state. you have to do what they did down in florida. this is what happened. the next thing you know they

start cash whipping the legislatures and the next thing is bill is introduced to strengthen the laws and who know where is it will end up. natalie, the new york daily news spoke to an excoworker. he said he was fired as a party security guard. he said tfts like jekyll and hyde. he had a temper and became a liebl liability. how does this play into your case? >> that's going to go to his character and what he is. in this case we have case evidence from his 2005 arrest that he has a propensity toward violence and violence toward a law enforcement officer. that plays a lot into who george zimmerman is and who really was the aggressor in this case. they want to bring up trayvon's school records but nowhere will you find any criminal activity or propensity towards violence.

>> jonathan, you agree with mr. crump, the other attorney that said the case would be closed if the media did not cover this? >> absolutely. we're now talking about this for the second full week. this is march 30th. trayvon martin was shot and killed by february 26th. it took that long for the national media to get whipped up and start talking about this, myself included. i didn't write my first piece until a week ago this past sunday. yeah, we're not for the media and the ground swell of attention being paid to this case by print media and televisi television media, slrl us here at msnbc, i think mr. crump is right. the media in this case is the sunshine of what's happening. a lot of things that we know now, we wouldn't have known if a lot of us in the press were not asking serious, serious questions and focusing like a

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this morning on fox and friends where he was set up for one of the most awkward anti-icallymatic endorsements of all times. >> he's here with a big announcement. he joins us live. >> you are throwing your support to. >> mitt romney. >> take a deep breath. i think there was something missing from that clip. let's play that again. >> you are throwing your support to. >> mitt romney. >> so mega millionaire mitt romney has picked up a radical from a radical endorsed candidate. it may help him win wisconsin. ryan campaign with romney today in his home state. it also means romney is directly

tied to the ryan budget which means mitt romney supports turning med car into a voucher system which could increase out of pocket cost by $5900. romney is in favor of slashing medicaid spending up by 35% over the next ten years reducing enrollment by as many as 14 million people. ryan's budget cuts spending programs ranging from food stamps to border control. i thought they were concerned about security. every millionaire gets $187,000 cut. this is what a vote for mitt romney gets you. let's turn to eugene robinson. good to have you with us tonight. >> great to be here. >> the democrats couldn't ask for beater lineup. they ought to be able to campaign against this in

heartbeat. >> this means that mitt romney now owns the ryan budget. he obviously is going into this with his eyes open. when ryan came out with this romney pent much further in embracing it and everything but kissing it, and, so, if this is the program that you want to bring before the american people, bring it on. i don't think it's going to fly very well, but bring it on. >> going after the big three, especially health care, social security as well, medicare and medicaid, social security. giving tax breaks to the wealthy. none of these things poll very well across america. they are all in the minority. why would the republicans be so dogmatic about things that don't have the populous view?

>> paul ryan believes this stuff. he believes that society shouldn't have this sort of safety net. he encourages or requires his staff to read the works of ian rand who believes everybody for him or herself, period. he thinks that's a good thing and so he's partly motivated not by so much by desire to reduce the deficit as to restructure the society in a way that he thinks is a better way for society to run. most people would disagree with that. that's what he believes. >> the ryan budget increases defense spending. this is really surprising because the pentagon asked a half trillion dollar decrease and paul ryan said this.

we don't think the generals are giving us their true advice. we don't think the generals believe their budget is really the right budget. what's happening here? does paul ryan think the pentagon is lying about their budgetary needs? >> that just has to be a sop either to the defense wing of the republican party or defense contractors or something. it's a ridiculous thing to say. why would the generals not tell the president what they want. of course, they will tell you exactly what they want and what they think they need. i don't know where that comes from except some sort of cynical political calculation. >> mitt romney has a 7% lead heading into tuesday's primary in wisconsin. romney at 40%. santorum 33%. how are these results going to affect the race? is this, i guess you could say a

must-win on the road for rick santorum? is he going to be finished if he can't close this deal. is this the big primary for mitt romney? >> this could be. they're trying to make it really tough on santorum. this sort of cavalcade of endorsements that we're having now. probably have more between now and tuesday. they seem to be trying to set it up so that if romney does win on tuesday, more voices will come out and say look santorum, just hang it up. you're hurting the party and just go away. whether santorum is in any mood to listen to that, i don't know. i kind of doubt it. if he really gets walloped on tuesday there's going to be enormous pressure on him to pull out for the good of the party. we'll have to see what he the margin is. if it's close, santorum will stay in. he knows if he can just make it

to play then some states start coming up that are much more friendly territory for santorum, and not so friendly for romney. >> it's been santorum that's been trying to connect with the lunch bucket workers. he's lost ohio. he's lost michigan. he didn't win illinois. it doesn't look good for wisconsin. it would seem to me that the people he's trying to garnish in the manufacturing states is not where he's doing well. i think tuesday is an awful big one for us. >> it is. wisconsin is right in the middle. michigan and ohio where he didn't, santorum didn't do too well. minnesota, iowa where he won. which way will wisconsin go. >> i think it's going to go to mitt romney. i think the whole thing will go to him. eugene robinson great to have you with us. mitt romney's latest ad doesn't stretch the truth, it's

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the nomination. romney and his campaign are just not misrepresenting the facts, they're flat out lying about them. here is part of his latest tv ad. >> president barack obama named himself one of four best presidents. better than george washington, john f. kennedy and even ronald reagan. >> well, i would agree with that but not close to what the president said. he did not rank him as one of the to four presidents. we shouldn't be surprised by romney's tactics. here is how he kicked off his campaign. >> thank you. thank you new hampshire. how is everybody doing tonight? i'm confident we can steer ourselves out of this crisis. we need a rescue plan for the middle class. we need to provide preleaf for homeowners. if we keep talking about the

economy, we're going to lose. he was quoting an aid to john mccain. romney had no problem thinking the president was referring to his own economic record. romney's got really nothing to run on. the guy is an empty suit. his own party doesn't like him. the only way he will win is by distorting the facts. the only way he can come out on top is by lying. joining me now is professor caroline. we're in full throttle to see mitt romney moving forward. can it work? with all the money behind him, can it work? >> i think it will work with a certain segment of the electorate. 55% of the american public know that president obama inherited his economic situation from george w. bush and his policies.

they know, for example, he's not to blame for what is happening right now in the united states. the economy will be the biggest issue in this election. i don't think it will work in the general election. i think lit work now. look at the fact that we have 45% of voters in the deep south who believe the republican lies at president obama is a muslim. >> if it's going twork like that in the south, they keep throwing more lies out there. that's what it looks like. here is the latest ad from the rnc. >> case 11398, the didn't of health and human services versus florida. >> for more than 80% of americans the insurance system does provide access. excuse me. because the -- excuse me.

>> now the audio of the solicitor general was manipulated. will these tactics work? >> i think they will work with certain people. the fact that you're exposing them and the fact that fact check.org is exposing them, i think it might hurt romney in the general election. the fact of the matter is health care will reduce the deficit. it will have all of these positive effects. romney has distorted president obama's on this and republicans have distorted his record on energy policy, health care, the deficit, the debt, him inheriting that and the idea that president obama doesn't have a lot of policies that he can put out there just incorrect. i think he will do very well in the general election if he brands himself properly and this

will come back to bite romney. >> what's the best way for the obama people to combat all of this? let's say they get out spent. does this change the stump pieces? does he just keep hammering on the facts or does he try to answer each one of these? >> i wouldn't answer them at all. needs to talk about the economy. talk about the fact we have the lowest number of new jobless claims in four years. the housing economy is rebounding. manufacturing is rebounding. consumer spending was up last month much higher than analyst predicted approximate all president obama has to do is remind americans of that. >> there's some very good numbers coming up. thank you for your time. all the eyes are turning to wisconsin again. this is history in the making. >> the walker recall is now officially set. the new polling shows the people are not standing with scott

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that is not about scott walker right now. >> today wisconsin's government accountability board triggered a recount against scott walker. the board certified over 900,000 signatures, 67% more than necessary. a special election is scheduled for june 5th. it's shaping up to be a tight race. a new nbc news poll showed 46% of registered voters would vote for scott walker while 48% picked the democratic candidate. i guess you could say a player to be named later. it will be held on may 8 to choose a candidate to go up against scott walker. those are already in the race. today milwaukee mayor tom barrett who have defeated by walker in 2010 announced he will throw his hat into the ring and he will join us from madison on monday night.

let's bring in ruth. what do you make of the, first of all the comment that was just made about one of the folks that was on chuck todd show earlier about folks in the state aren't thinking about the primary coming up on tuesday. they are all focused on the recall coming up. is that fair statement? you agree with that? >> absolutely, ed. wisconsin is so focused on what's going on here in wisconsin right now, i don't hear of much chat about the gop primary coming up on tuesday. people are too focused. you see the gop candidates coming in nationally and doing things the like romney doing going making phone calls tomorrow night for walker. they are trying to catch some of the energy of what's happening in wisconsin for this very big battle for us. we're focused on those recall races right now. >> i noticed that walker has endorsed any of the candidates.

what's going on there? why doesn't he endorse mitt romney? >> i think he's focused on his own battle. by associating themselves with walker, the candidates are hoping to catch a bit of his coat tails. it's a very divided state. mitt romney is making phone calms and talking up walker. walker has raised $2 million to their 700,000. he doesn't need them. they need him. >> president obama is polling well in wisconsin right now, isn't he? >> yes, yes he is. it's the same situation. i think that what's going to happen for obama is going to be really a product of people really being energized. in some ways it's comparable to obama's level of enthusiasm.

i think it's going to benefit the president. >> this whole thing in the recall has been played up as the unions and the middle classers against scott walker and the elitist. here come these republican candidates into the state. they have the ryan budget plan, which, of course, they are all in favor of which cuts right at the middle class and the elderly. they are also anti-union. you can look at mitt romney's background and see how he's treated organized labor in the past. this is the political gift that keeps on giving to this recall for democrats, isn't it? >> yeah. i think the decision today that you mentioned at the start of the segment is really a big deal. this is huge news that our governor is not going to be able to make it impossible for automatic paycheck deduction for union dues. that means he's not succeeded in

cutting off the unions. to say it's elitist and a middle class and working folks is the gobble gook that you hear. the people that are pouring out into the street offense wisconsin are people that drive snowplows. they are the cops and firefighters and really regular working people. >> this is the template right here. you're looking at the template, america, to fight back against citizens united. this is what it's going to take. boots on the ground. people getting active. people talking to their neighbors. motivating people to get registered to get out and vote. a judge ruled to big parts of walker anti-union law are unconstitutional. how big is that ruling, you think? >> it's huge. it doesn't go all the way to restoring public employees ability to sit down at the table and negotiate over everything. it's a major brush back of the

walker ageneral dajegendaagenda. fundamentally, what it says is this a first amendment issue. it's a u.s. constitutional issue. by separating the few union member who is supported him politically in the election, the public safety employee who is he said could have their unions and have automatic union dues deducted from their paychecks by treating them differently, he violated first amendment. you can't do that. it exposes how craven and crass this thing was and it restores financial viability. >> it's unbelievable. great to have you with us tonight. we're going to be broadcasting from madison, wisconsin at the great dane from 7:00 to 8:00. it will be open to the public on a first come, first serve basis.

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that's the choice in this election. this is not just your usual run of the mill political debate. this is the defining issue of our time, a make or break moment for the middle class. that's what we got to fight for. >> president obama getting after it today in vermont. he's the first president to go to vermont since bill clinton. i want you to be honest with me. you're sitting at home thinking i really don't like obama. i don't believe in the guy. i don't think he's got it together on the economy. can i just give you some facts if you don't like president obama and you don't think he has the right remedy for the economy. the guy's on the roll. if you're a 1 percenter, you got to love this guy. the dow posted its best quarter in 14 years. so did the s&p 500. let's not forget the nasdaq. it has its best performance since 1991.

if you're a one or two percenter, you ought to be loving this guy. he hasn't raised your taxes either. mitt romney's argument against the president starting to fall really short. >> out of touch liberals like barack obama say they want a strong economy. they really don't like businesses very much. the economy is the product of all the nation's businesses added together. it's like saying you love omelets but you don't like eggs. >> the dow posted its best quarter in 14 years. mitt romney's weak attacks on president obama don't hold water. the liberal in the white house has led this country to 24 straight months of private sector job growth. weekly unemployment claims are at a four-year low. holy spokes, do we have a lot of facts about the economy. the national unemployment rates have been declining for months. millions of americans, no doubt about it, still hurting.

we have a high unemployment rate but it's getting better. the president's approval rating is going up. more and more people just aren't buying the lies mitt romney is selling. joining me now is bob. >> eggs and omelets. the president's got stay the course through a very difficult time. the economy is getting better. people are understanding that. the policies that romney would propose, for example, you talked about this earlier could cost four million jobs in the next two years. the president said he wanted this election to be a choice, not a referendum. it's becoming a choice. romney is a clunky candidate.

in the key industrial swing states or in the key states where they have seen romney most, from florida all the way through wisconsin, he is running behind the president, often pretty far behind. in that marist poll he's 17 points behind. you know you're in trouble if the more they see you, the less they like you. >> joe biden said at a chicago fund-raiser, he said i don't think we'll be beaten by those candidates. i think we'll be beaten if we are by something happening in the eurozone or something happening in the gulf or this barrage of super pac money. even with that i feel good. sometimes joe biden just speaks the truth a little too good. that's a confident camp right there. if we add jobs april, may, june, july, august, september,

october. that's going to be a string of months plus the 24 we've had, that's going to be 30 months of private sector job growth. what can romney say about that? >> i don't know what he'll say. he's losing his argument. what's he going to say if the economy is on its way to being fixed if people think things are getting better. >> what about biden's comment? >> joe biden is spontaneous. he's real. it's great strength. he told a truth that maybe you might have said, don't tell it here, just tell it inside a conference room where we're talking with each other. it's not going to hurt him at all. he'sgoing to play a critical role in florida and those midwest industrial states. >> is this obama campaign overconfident now. are they letting the door open and some sunshine in so we think what they're really thinking? >> i don't think so at all. i think the obama campaign works hard and worries every day about where this is going. the whole lesson in politics is

you can't take anything for granted. that doesn't mean you and i can't sit here and talk about the weaknesses of mitt romney who is short of some malign turn of events will have a hard time winning this election. he's got a character problem. he's got a flip-flop problem. he's got a jobs problem. he's got a fairness problem. those are very big thing ons the table and the president's strengths happen to be the opposite of that, character, consistency, fairness and jobs. >> let's say the supreme court strikes down the health care mandate. what's that mean? sgr i think it will consolidate the democratic base like never before. we cannot let another republican president pack this court with more justices or injustices who will go after women's rights, unequal rights for gays and lesbians. >> great to have you with us tonight. swurn in america might

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