polite is the new way. >> dylan, i've never had a problem with your manners. you've always been the essence of politeness. >> that's right. thank you. >> why don't you go ahead with your show right now. well, a beautiful thursday afternoon to you. i'm a very polite but assertive dylan ratigan and we begin today with our ongoing 30 million jobs campaign this afternoon. in the rose garden, the president is signing a so-called jobs act in talah, and while it does not do anything to do with the traded banks dysfunction, it will unleash the money to create 30 million jobs, it is at least an ability to point politically at the jobs issue. >> this is exactly the type of jobs action we should be taking in washington to help our economy. i always said that the true

engine of job creation in this country is the private sector, not the government. >> joining us now, congressman peter welch, vermont democrat, and david schweiger. i've had great interaction with both these gentlemen and i look forward to sorting out this piece of legislation. i want to start, if i could, with you, peter, and specifically around the expanded ability to raise money by making it much easier for individuals to use crowd sourcing networks, kick starter, all these sort of modern capital raising vehicles and how you reconcile the obviously enhanced ability to raise money with the diminished ability to regulate people like me who take my tv show and sell blue sky and say, who wants to buy shares in the dylan ratigan share, which i don't own, and fwet a few million bucks, which really was a big issue going

back to the depression which is the blue sky issues selling worthless objects. so how do you get the benefits, and how do you respond to those who say this creates also a big problem? >> well, in any kind of securities interaction, there has got to be balance between investor protections and access to capital. let me just give you a very specific example. the folks in milddlebury, vermot got together with the town, a local bank and the private citizens and they did a project on town property. they had to raise capital. it's been a smashing success. they want to do another project, and this crowd funding is going to make it financially feasible for them in an affordable way to attract local investors, and really, there are citizens who want to help out and have a greener economy. so there is a real benefit for these lower key, lower scale projects. the investor protections that are necessary to a facebook operation or some of the other things, we strengthened it --

actually, i should say the senate strengthened it. in my view, i say we have to be vigilant to see if this works. but one size does not fit all, and i think congressman schwiger and i want to give an opportunity to these projects but can't bear the burden of an sec oversight. >> again, you both would have my wholehearted support. i believe a networked crowd source capital market would be an avid improvement over the capital market that screwed up for a list of reasons. but congressman schweigert, i am concerned -- my first job was as an intern at an appliance department in merrill lynch, and it was a miserable, horrible job. all you had to do was file prospectuses -- i won't even get into the mizsery. but because there's been so many

blue skies in the '30s and '40s, people getting rich in an unregulated capital market, how do you get the benefit of funding and really not open up the opportunity to steal people's money. >> dylan, you and i partially had this conversation, and also hi to peter. i hope your calves are back to normal again. we hiked the canyon, as you know, this last weekend. >> yeah. >> the reality of it is your access to information is dramatically different today than it was even 15 years ago. if you choose to do the crowd funding, this magic thing called google where you can type in the information, you can pull up what's going on in data, things that you could have never had access to just a decade and a half ago. and i'm somewhat blessed. there were multiple bills in this jobs package that were my sponsorship. i've been working on these for over a year now. so there's things that will allow more shareholders to be

able to grow companies, to exempt employees so you can actually share the wealth with employees. and even a streamline fashion to go public. >> and you both are confident, you'll say today, that you believe there is enough investor -- i'll buy in. to sell is easy. everyone has seen kick starter at this point. everyone understands the merits of crowd funding, that if they want to give money to it, it's much easier, it's wonderful. it is brought with risk. i'll move on with this, but you guys both feel that the risk is managed. peter? >> we have to be willing to be monitoring the risk. there is a balance. you want to get access to capital. you don't want wall street ripping everybody off so it crowds out capital, but on the other hand, you do have to have investor protection. we'll be watching this, and i think david and i would both be willing to make whatever adjustments are required to make sure we have integrity in that market, otherwise it will fail. >> let's move to the broader conversation. go ahead, david.

sorry. >> the word "balance" is very, very powerful here. you want to protect investors, but on the flip side, you also don't want making money and growing and winning on an investment to become such a small portion of the population where only qualified investors who meet certain standards. how do you make it so much more ego egolitarian. you have to find that balance. >> and individually they identify their capital needs, whether it's through the entrepreneurship of an individual or the collective action of a given community to secure resource. >> capital formation is going to be very different by the end of this decade. >> bingo. we're all in agreement, and at the same time it's a delicate act, because any time you're restructuring capital markets to raise money, which is where jobs come from, there's more risk.

let's move broadly to the 30 million jobs issue, which this won't solve nor will one line item piece of information solve for. your thoughts on how we move from -- there is a fact problem, it's where the kids are, it's what's going on, but at the same time, it doesn't address our reg trade agreements with china, it doesn't address our for in oil dependence, which is a huge trade oil issue, it definite. look at the tax trade policy and banking policy as the bolders in the room that are really mip. they'll take it to both of you. but how do we get around crowd funding and these types of issues to the sort of ernest

work of ruthlessly looking at the major issues. >> you have asked the really relevant question. i think that jobs bill is the low-hanging fruit. the only way we ultimately will be successful is by some bipartisan approach on the big issues. take energy. if we do. we'll save on oil, we'll save on our owners' money. if we can pass a transportation bill. we only passed a 90% in the house. obviously, i think we want to have a financial sector that works for the productive economy rather than have the productive economy work for the financial sector. so these are big issues -- i hope david and i and others can work on this together and get us

moving again. >> first of all, david, how much do you agree with what you just heard, and to the extent you do, how much currency do the two of you have to sort of inject your paired identity into the current political culture? >> my hope was actually going for the home run play. one way peter and i became friends, we were in the elevator together and we talked about the corporate tax code. that conversation extended, and i realized, hey, we have some commonalities and there's probably some things we disagree on. it's time to go after the big picture, and i believe a restructuring of our former tax code in this country and getting rid of these lobbyist special carve-out and making ourselves more collective in this world. >> so let's say we could pick energy efficiency. i don't think anybody would dispute the massive impact that would have in our country where

we embrace on every level. the same thing goes for a tax code, but no one trusts the culture of washington. it's not just what the answer is, it's how it's being done would not inject their trust. i think what you would offer intentionally if you were willing to operate with an open book is to illustrate not only what you think but to illustrate how you were arriving at what you were thinking because i think that's the only way we'll get trust back with the congress, and i applaud you guys for doing that. >> you're exactly right, dylan. the question people ask me in vermont is, peter, why don't you guys work together and get something done? we cannot be a strong and great country with a congress that doesn't make decisions on major national policy issues. that's a prescription for weakness, not strength. >> and if you guys aren't talking to each other, period, you're doomed. >> that's right. >> go ahead, david.

i'm sorry. >> go ahead, david. >> i'm sorry about this. i tease many fellow members on this. i'm coming to this conclusion, democrats, republicans, conservatives, liberals. it's more complicated than that. it seems like washington has communication with folks who do math and live in math fantasies. if we would do fast decision making, i think we could move on in many ways. >> i think a precurse or to that, though, is making sure we have availability. people believe there is a way to manipulate those facts, and to the more confidence we all have that we're dealing with the whole pie, i think across the board the decision making will improve. eve ov we've overextended our time today, and i think you guys became friends because you're both friends with me. i'm going to take credit for this. i'm going to take credit for making this happen. >> that works for me.

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a greek tragedy continuing to play out today as the folks' battle against severe austerity measures in that country. a new round of protests outside particle lent in athens after a 77-year-old retiree killed themselves. they were unable to make ends meet after their government assistance was cut in the new austerity package. the man left behind a note saying he would sooner die than be left skcavenging for food. you do not have to be an expert in post financial crisis, post dodd frank monetary policy to see what is going on here. the people of the west are revolting against a government that works not for them, whoever those people may be, but to maintain the survival of an

openly extracted financial system that is being perpetuated by the western central banks. we turn our attention now to the thursday mega panel, karen, susan and jimmy. karen, i will begin with you. there is an emotional appeal to cutting spending when you feel like you don't have enough money. it's not an irrational response. however, if you don't understand why it is you don't have money, and if the reason you don't have money is because you have an ongoing cancer, an ongoing dysfunction in this case which is this extractive financial posture that we've established, how do you reconcile the cause of the lizard brain politics that say, we have to cut. we don't have money, and the rational brain says, the reason we don't have money is because we're being stolen from and we need to stop the stealing, whatever the dysfunction is, not

take away food from poor people. >> absolutely, but you know, dylan, i would actually go back one step from that and frankly ask you the question. remember last year when mark gains was on, talking about all the talk about austerity measures here in the united states, and there are a lot of people who feel these severe austerity measures are not the answer, that you can't just cut -- that's been part of the conversation here, that you got to do some spending and we're not going to, for example, deal with our deficit problem by cutting alone, so i guess the question becomes, before you even get to your question, don't you then have to accept the premise that a purely stripped austerity measure is the only solution which suggests, i think, from various places around the world thus far, is not the right answer. >> but what it suggests is, and here's -- i'll show you my graphic for the day. you won't be able to read this on this camera. anyway, what it shows, jimmy, is you don't understand how we got into debt. what i mean is, we had this

trajectory of income that was coming from the robust employment and housing market in this country that was being fueled by the credit bubble going back to 2000. that bubble popped. unemployment spiked. housing prices collapsed and we had less money. that's like losing your job. you're like, what the heck happened with the money we're making? instead of getting a new job, which would be reforming the financial system, reforming the tax code, reforming trade, creating an investment in prosperity, we're sawing, well, we can't afford to pay for anything anymore. i don't understand how that happens, politically. how do we go from the reality of a decline in revenue to a political debate that ignores the collapse in decline in the revenue crisis and ignores the fact we're giving too much food to poor people. >> the american people as a whole did something unbelievable but not so much. they did exactly the same thing the banks did. they overleveraged.

so if your financial system is ov overleveraged and the people participating in the financial system by loaning them money, right, are overleveraged and the government is overleveraged, so the bank is overleveraged, the people are overleveraged, and the government soefrleveraged. if everybody is overleveraged -- you're asking how does it happen? >> no, i'm asking instead of the debate saying, we need to reform these tax, trade and banking systems to drive it up again, they're saying how do we cut spending on these things that could be -- surely there is some efficiencies in the new network theory in the 21st century that can be applied to our government which has nothing to do with how we got into this situation. >> what it has to do with is politics, and when times are good, you give more and more and you promise more and more, and the system is good. you used to keep saying reform.

i'm saying you have to smash the system, because right now they're talking about reform in medicare, medicaid. whatever it is, how we deliver health care, we're still using an insurance-based system. we're still talking about basically tweaking the finances, and the fact is no elected official -- you're going to need more than two or three -- are willing to say you have to change medicare. you have to rewrite the whole thing. no one is willing to go that far. >> our system is not designed to make people healthy. we have a system where you make money by selling sick people services, which means the more sick you are, the more money i make. so nothing in our system, not our public health system, not our private health system, nothing in our health system, which is a brand that we use, is designed by health, because health is not very profitable. anyway, the point is -- your point is, i'm not even sfdisputg

your point. the point is they don't even talk like this. >> exactly. >> the last word from you, karen, and we'll wrap this up. >> also, part of what happens is we're not paying attention, and i always go back to we, the people, we have got to pay closer attention. the outcome -- this responsibility for action, we're totally separated. we, the people, and jimmy talks about being overleveraged. we're the ones getting stuck with the bills, while the other ones being overleveraged, they're fine. and they're telling us we got to tighten our belts. >> when really what we want to do is switch from tightening belts to an abundance that is immediately available and we simply move to the modern problem solving, and you see it everywhere when you look in the real world. the panel sits for a few minutes. i do want to move to on an exciting contest we told you

about a few weeks ago. it was a free ride to a top new england university if you've got a good answer to the following question. what is your experiment? for weeks, the university of new haven in connecticut has entrepreneurial ideas. 100 or so entries later and a drumroll, please -- thank you -- the winner, john paul defamaso from farmington, connecticut for his turf guys. j.p., congratulations. let's just cut down to it. what exactly is it that you've got here and how does it work? >> well, i came up with an idea that is used to clean synthetic surfaces like soccer field, football fields, things like that. what the product does is it provides a natural a roroma of fresh cut grass, because who

doesn't love fresh cut grass, as well as an antibacterial component. >> is it cheap or expensive? >> it's really inexpensive due to the application frequency as well as the usage and versatility of the product. >> and then what -- how did you figure it out? were you in the basement? did you tell your parents what you were doing? were you stealing things out of the kitchen? were you draining the back of the lawn mower? how did we end up here? >> a little bit of everything. no, actually, i grew up playing soccer, and, you know, i've always -- in the last five years, actually, there's been an expansion of synthetic turf fields, so, you know, growing up and playing on soccer fields, i would come home and i'd smell like, you know, a tire factory because of the chrome rubber used on the turf field, so i've

always had this idea of what it would be like to have a natural-smelling turf field. >> how does it work? do you grind up the grass in the backyard or is that an industry secret? >> right now it's a little bit of an industry secret, but what i can tell you is, it is a type of granule that would be put down on synthetic turf surfaces. >> mr. president, why is he the winner? >> i think he just showed you why he's the winner. he's incredibly confident, he's creative, he's very smart and he believes in this economy and helping it improve. and we want him at the university of new haven and that's where he's going to be. >> how do you feel more broadly about this as an attempt to exchange access to higher education with entrepreneurial and experimentally minded young people? >> i think the idea developed by our executive dean mary flanagan, who is the former chief information and marketing officer for mastercard, is one of the smartest things i've seen an academic do.

he's building on the tradition of economic development at a university, and he's making it the core of what happens at the business school. >> listen, i love it. i think it's the right culture, it's the right way to go. whatever the experiment may be. can i give you one more before you graduate, j.p.? >> absolutely. >> i was talking to richard engle, who is the big foreign correspondent here on msnbc, spends time in the middle east, living like a madman. you know what i'm talking about, right? >> oh, yeah. >> i saw richard in the hallway and i said, what do we need to create peace in the middle east? and he said two words: solar car. >> solar car. >> solar car. >> i thought he was going to say synthetic turf. >> if it was synthetic turf, the problem would have been solved. if you can deliver a solar car by graduation, we would all be grateful and be happy to help you. either way, congratulations. i tease you. it's a wonderful thing for not

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welcome back. troubling numbers in our own country that too many ignore or simply don't want to deal with. right now 1 in 100 americans are behind bars. we incarcerate pretty much more people than any country in the west. we are also in the top six when it comes to executions along with people like yemen and iran. nearly 1 out of 3 black men, however, compared to 100 americans, 1 in 3 will spend time in prison during their

lifetime. 1/3 black americans are ten times more likely than their white counterparts to be jailed for the same drug-related crimes! this is awful. statistics such as this not only lead to outrage, but they have led today's specialists to a bold conclusion that the so-called war on drugs is literally a comparison to slavery and jim crow and the destructive impact it has, not only to those incarcerated but to those who live in black communities to which we then export prison culture back into. and she says it is that bad even in the age of the pride of a black president. michelle alexander is a civil rights advocate, law professor and author of the best-selling

book "the new jim crow" in the age of color blindness. what do we do about this? >> well, we first have to be willing to tell the truth, the whole truth, that we as a nation have managed to rebirth a caste-like system in america even in the age of color blindness, even in the age of obama, something akin to a caste system is alive and well in this country. the mass incarceration of poor people of color is tantamount to a new caste system thanks to the war on drugs and the get tough movement, millions of people, overwhelmingly poor people, especially black and brown men, have been swept into our nation's prisons and jails primarily for non-violent and drug-related offenses, the very sorts of crimes that occur with roughly equal frequency in middle class white neighborhoods and college campuses but go

largely ignored are swept into our prisons and jails at relatively young ages, sometimes before they're even old enough to vote, and once swept in, they're trapped for life after being branded a crimin-- after felon, they're stripped of the right to vote, the right to serve on a jury, the right to be free, limited housing, access to education and public benefits. so many of the old forms of discrimination that we supposedly left behind during the jim crow era are suddenly legal again once you've been branded a felon. that's why i say we have to end racial capitalism. >> where people get lost in this is they fail to recognize that the exact crimes for which black and brown men are being incarcerated are being committed every day at the same frequency

or a higher frequency by white or non-hispanic, non-black individuals, karen, and it is easy to be like, oh, well, you know, they must have been doing something. there's got to be something they were doing. that's sort of the easy knee jerk. but that, statistic alleyalally utterly wrong, which leads you to see the only characteristic is the race of the individuals, karen, and it's the same crime, totally different treatment. am i missing something? >> no, i think that's right, and what i would like to put out there is what you're talking about is structural racism, right, a self-fulfilling prophecy, so we have young black and brown men being incarcerated and charged with these crimes at a much higher rate, dylan, than you were just talking about. at the same time, there are, we know, alive and well, because we are not a color-blind society,

the racist stoereotypes, what have you, that if they were to see an african-american in a particular act, they are therefore not guilty but should be charged in a different way than a white person in the same way that if you see a black kid in the rain with a hoodie on, you might think he looks out of place. >> what i look at is the stop and frisk data in new york. you can see explicitly -- i've never been stopped and frisked. i've been in new york for 20 years. none of my friends were stopped. but there are very specific neighborhoods where this happens. to what degree can this be changed by rule changes and to what degree is this really a function of our culture, and until we change our culture, we won't change this? >> well, it is a function of both mindset and legal rules and

policies. you know, it's easy to demonize george zimmerman for effectively stalking a young teenager who looked out of place in his own neighborhood and then killing him. but the outrage is the mindset of viewing young, black men as suspicious is a problem -- >> as a risk. as a higher risk event. >> yes, as a risk. someone who needs to be controlled and dealt with at nearly all costs. that mindset is normalized within law enforcement, and if george zimmerman had had a badge with his gun, we wouldn't even know trayvon martin's name today. the reality is that what george zimmerman did is routine, common practice for law enforcement, seeing young black men, thinking it would be a wise idea to stop them, question them interrogate them, find out who they are, what they're doing, frisk them without any evidence of criminal activity, without any reasonable suspicion at all is routine.

the new york police department released data showing that if one year alone, 2010, the new york police department stopped and frisked more than 600,000 people, more than 85% of whom were black and latino, and only a tiny fraction, i think it was less than 15% of those stopped and frisked, was there any kind of suspect description or investigation into an actual criminal case. so hundreds of thousands of people stopped and frisked and treated like criminals for no reason other than the color of their skin. >> and, unfortunatefortunately, something we will obviously continue to visit as we have been. tremendous book, professor. michelle alexander. i highly recommend it. i'm going to leave you this quote from russell simmons who was with us on mlk day in which he said specifically, i'll quote, our biggest impediment

have been very strong lobbyists and even more than any political ideal that keeps people in prison. russell was making the point that even the industrial complex is yet another exacerbating component on what is really a national shame. again, congratulations, professor alexander. thanks for jimmy and susan for their patience at the desks today. see you soon, professor. i hope your voice gets louder, and anything i can do to help it, you have my commitment to do so. straight ahead, here, everybody is talking about him. the google sci high-fi specs li floating brain in front of your eyeballs. [ male announcer ] there's a crushing national debt

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takes over. it feels like you're not in control of that decision, but if we analyze it correctly, you can change that habit. >> so let's use me. >> okay. >> i smoke cigarettes and need to quit smoking cigarettes promptly. yesterday. the -- i know that. america, they know what to do. we have all these solutions for health. we won't change our behavior. so i know i need to quit smoking but i haven't -- i won't change my behavior. america knows what it needs to do when it comes to scaling new network answers to things like health and learning and energy efficiency, we just won't change our behavior. do you believe you can help us do that? >> i think the hardest part is where to start, right? let me tell you what we've learned about habits. every habit has three components. there's a cue, a routine and a reward. we focus on the routine, the

behavior, right? but it's the cue and the rewards that are the secret to unlocking and changing habits, and we know this from a neurological study. let's take your smoking habit. >> i just had dinner. that's the cue. just finished my meal. >> here's an interesting thing about your smoking habit, and it's true for everyone. 100 hours after your last cigarette, you are no longer physically addicted to cigarettes. >> the bio chemical central nerve distortions in my brain are gone. >> but it still feels like you want a cigarette. after dinner is the cue for you. the reward is what? >> a sense of relaxation. more of a relaxation, i would say. >> you need to find something that gives you that same sensation that isn't smoking. >> push-ups. sit-ups. >> that might work, if that relaxes you. >> pull-ups or something after dinner. >> what's happening is the nicotine is probably overreacting certain parts of your brain and it gives you a sense of calmness. you're probably pretty much like

me and everyone else. when you get overstimulated, it helps you calm down. >> i guess so. >> what you need to do, drink a double espresso. >> i see what you're saying. before we wrap this segment up, how would apply this to anyone with any habit. you're saying identify at the cue and reward level. >> identify the cue and reward, what's triggering that behavior and what the reward s. >> what do i do with that cue? i can't not eat. >> you keep t. >> acknowledge the cue exists and create a different pathway. >> exactly. i used to have a bad cookie habit, and i realized it struck about 3:30, and i realized it was a way to go chat with my colleagues. i do something else, go back to my desk and the cookie urge is gone. >> how about something like a carrot? >> that would be great. but you have to clue in on it.

>> the manly thing where you say, i'm just not doing it, that's where you're doomed. when you take a macho approach to these things, you really do. >> at some point your willpower is like a muscle. it's going to fail you. >> but if you create an alternate reward, it's going to work? >> absolutely. >> check it out, "the power of habit, why we do what we do in life or business." for a country that needs to change its ways, this is a good read. dismissing the war on women, saying it's fictional, a war on caterpilla caterpillars. i'm not sure what that means. but first, baseball. jeff chrysler is back. and then let me know what the baby thinks of it. four million drivers switched to this car insurance last year. oh, she likes it babies' palates are very sensitive

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back now with the wheeek in cheat. you can see our resident cheert. >> it is like christmas. we cheaters open up our tax returns, we pay nothing again. leone a helmsley once said only the little people pay taxes. mitt romney 15%, ge, nothing. be a corporation and you don't have to pay taxes. that's my advice to everyone. if we force corporations to pay taxes, that's less money that the executives can then tie to their own taxes. we have to decide who do we not want to pay for the things they don't need.

>> i don't know what you just said, but that clearly is the issue in this country. >> you have to use mind tricks. >> one of america's favorite pastime, baseball, making its way back. >> baseball is like cheating. the white sox scandal, steroids, to madoff playing out in queens. it is a fantastic thing. they're stealing, they're deception, there's unwritten rules, and those rules that are enforced are done by sort of biased umpires. my favorite part about it is the public financing of these giant stadiums. like miami just got a new one, yankee stadium. at the time of a housing crisis, why not subsidize parking spaces for millionaires who pretend to live in new jersey. >> finally, jeff is now teaching the chinese to cheat. i understand that your book is

being translated and published in asia so they can get a little better at what we do so well. >> that's right, it is on amazon, and i want to read one line. absolute principle in a fraud circle, it is the first teaching document in the world. in other words, the chinese are taking my book and learning to cheat. if i can be like the chinese and use that money, power and access to get more money, power and access to make it top heavy and manipulated, we eventually will collapse and what's left in america will win. >> is there an irony in the chinese nation or are they just using the book? >> i don't think they downloaded it for free. i don't know how many people are watching our show. >> you don't think i'm big in china? >> not yet, but if you follow on

my coattails. if half the people there buy my book, i will never come on the show again. >> i have news for you, the greedy bastards -- yours is the book of the dark side. mine is the book that represents lightness and grace and an abundant and glorious renaissance future. yours, of course, more apocalypt apocalyptic, annihiltic. both now in competition in asia. >> are you in china? an hour after reading yours, they'll be hungry for mine. >> we have to promote them as a pair. dueling construct. we'll plan it for the summer. jeff kreisler, that will do it for us. michael maddish in the chair for chris matthews wondering if there is a war