let's talk politics, we heard it over and over again. >> the president is cool in the way mitt romney is incredibly square. >> well, now republicans are trying to use one of the president's greatest strengths against him. in a new ad from karl rove super pac, american cross roads. ♪ i'm so in love with you >> obama, obama, obama. >> obama, obama, obama. i want to bring in steve kornacki and susan page, good morning to you, happy prom weekend as we have been talking about. let me ask you about the ad. obviously what they are trying

to say this guy is too cool to run the economy, too cool to be commander in chief, too cool to be an effective president. is it effective? >> i think it is. four years ago they tried the same thing, they had an ad, they called obama the biggest celebrity in the world. the difference is after four years they have statistics on their side, superficially. the obama case is a nuanced one, i inherited a terrible mess, i made it better, got us on the right course, give me more time. the republican case boils down to hey, look at the unemployment rate, look at your economics, the numbers that paint a damming picture where the country is and now juxtapose that with the guy on the late night shows, singing, suddenly celebrity thing looks different, it's more effective than it was four years ago. >> here is what karl rove had to say about this. let me play that. >> he sounded great, he appealed

to young voters last time around, 18% of the electorate, significant expansion of their share of the electorate. didn't turn out too good. a lot of people who can't bring themselves, young people who can't vote for romney will stay homer disappointed in president obama. >> that is obviously what karl rove is trying to get at here, susan, but also look, when you look at the polls, the one thing that president obama absolutely kills and i mean kills mitt romney on, besides the youth vote is likeability. so they are trying to take his likeability, right and turn it in something negative. >> also trying to say you probably care about things, americans, you think are more important than when -- which presidential candidate you like the best and that is how your life is going. one of the things that is interesting about the particular crossroads ad it targets the people who are most attracted to obama's coolness. and that is young people. for the the statistics they show

in the ad are all statistics that affect young people. young college graduates trying to get jobs. kids had to move back with their parents. i think it's a good ad in a way that mccain ad four years ago was not. >> let's look. 2008, a strategy, let me play that clip. >> he's the biggest celebrity in the world. >> obama, obama, obama. >> but is he ready to lead? >> obviously it didn't work the last time, because he got elected. >> right, in the climate of 2008, he was not the incumbent, he was the challenger, easy any anxiety was directed toward the incumbent. you got out there before, at the core taking the biggest strength and saying you can still like the guy, you can still think he's an entertaining guy, doesn't mean you want him managing the country. that is the message. >> i want to bring luke johnson, good morning to you.

>> thanks for having me. >> this is obviously a part of what is going to be a massive assault on the president from super pacs started to day, you read about the koch brothers, six million on ads hitting the president on wasteful spending, tell us about that. >> the group americans for prosperity, a non-profit and not a super pac, now it's six million dollar ad by yesterday, this is six months out of the election and hitting obama on the economy and specific green jobs, and the stimulus, so quite a large sum of money so far and it shows the conservative groups are willing to spend a lot. >> do we have a sense what the ads will look like, strong attack ads? a little snarkiness, what is their approach? >> absolutely, i think they are going to hammer home the idea that obama has not handled the economy well and not created

enough jobs because that is where he is weakest and this is all a part from the presidential campaign. >> you wonder if it's the start. one of the things we talked about people writing the enormous checks, if it's $6 million now, six months really before we get in the nitty gritty of the campaign, what's next? >> it's not just americans importa important prosperity, karl rove super pac pledged to spend between $250 and $300 million. this election cycle and has announced it had raised $100 million this cycle. more is to come, absolutely. >> luke johnson, thanks. i want to talk more about the ads with howard bragman, vice chairman of reputation.com and chairman of 15 minutes public relations. i want to ask you about the cool ad but first can i play for you what donald trump said this morning on "morning joe"? >> i thought it was a terrible

ad, made obama bigger than life. it made him to be the super celebrity, c celebrity, which i don't think he is. i thought it was a terrible ad by the republicans, if anything when i saw it i thought the democrats put it out. >> smart ad or terrible ad? >> i hate to say this, i agree with donald trump. that is a first. you have to think what we had when bush was in office, this was a president nobody liked, he was his uncool as you could imagine. he couldn't go to any country other than albania and not have his life threaten, now we have a president i think cool is another word for connection, he's connecting with people and we can talk about different d o demographi demographics, women and latinos, young people, mitt romney single biggest problem is authenticity and connection with people. >> clearly, if the idea is to get people not to like him i don't see that ad will make him stop liking him but let me play another super pac attack ad,

this hits the president for misuse of taxpayer dollars. >> president obama wasted $34 billion on risky investment, the result? failure. american tax pairs are paying to send their jobs to foreign countries. >> this is the stuff people are hearing, does it work? >> i think it's too nuanced for most people. and the thing i'm kind of blown away by, i've not heard any positive about mitt romney other than he will be a good steward of the economy. i want to know when they will talk about his vision for america, because you can spend all the money you want on negatives, at some point you have to stand up for your vision and that is what is missing in this campaign. >> the obama campaign clearly won't sit back and take all this from the super pacs or anybody else. they have one ad they have two minutes of clips of mitt romney saying stuff and somebody from the administration, the president or vice president

answering it, and this is a brand new ad they put out featuring bill clinton. >> it's one thing george bush sthad was right. the president is the decider in chief. nobody can make the decision for you. he took the harder and the more honorable path, and the one that produced, in my opinion, the best result. >> steve, you're nodding. >> there is also at the very end got cut off, there is a question about what would mitt romney have done, because mitt romney on the question of bin laden has said hey, not worth spending all sorts of money directing resours, that is what he said a couple years ago. you're juxtaposing, this is the signature achievement, everybody in the country can kind of agree on that went right in the first term. saying hey, not only was that a tough decision, but it's a decision that we have reason to believe mitt romney wouldn't have made. >> it's part of the mantra we're

hearing from the obama campaign, susan, that okay, mitt romney likes to criticize the republicans like to criticize but what is their alternative? >> that's true, let's remember we have an incumbent president running for reelection. this is not an election about mitt romney, it's about bill clinton. the killing of unites americans, terrific ad by bill clinton that is not the top issue. it's what is happening to the jobless rates, can people afford a college education and home. we talk about it being six months to the election, the fact is in this period of time in the spring and early summer when attitudes about the candidates get set and harder and harder to change. we saw that in 1996 when the clinton campaign defined bob dole before he had a chance to define himself, that never got close. this is a period when i think we will see an onslaught of ads trying to tear down the other guy. >> you also wonder and taking off on karl rove's point,

whether or not all this negativity and you and i talked about this before, howard, people do negative ads because they work. if erie starting to talk a couple billion dollars worth of ads, majority being negative, people getting pounded for six months, could it have the effect of depressing turnout? >> yes, absolutely. i think negative ads work to a point. i think we hear so much negative after a while we tune out and i think there is a big enthusiasm gap in the election not for the candidates but the election itself. i don't hear people as engaged enough. it was probably better for mitt romney when there was somebody to run against in the republican party, now it's just like okay, it's this race, just nobody really seems to be that passionate on either side and that will work against romney in a big way. >> another part of the negativity, to be part of the reason why jeb bush is telling friends he doesn't want anything to do with the vp slot, steve,

his family is very private. it's known he doesn't want to put them out there in the wa wa colin powell, who didn't want to expose his wife to the rigors and negativity of a campaign. you have to wonder if this negativity has even more of a de an effect. >> it doesn't always show up in the news coverage, when you talk to republicans not necessarily going to be quoted in news story, they open up a little bit. there is a lot of pessimism, a sense they don't think mitt romney will win this fall. you see this lack of interest from all these people being asked about vice president, part of that is customary, but part of is these guys don't think he will win and the other thing with bush is remember, it's only been four years since the last bush left and i think we can talk about the strengths that jeb bush would bring, he probably understands and

democrats certainly understand if you have a bush on the ticket this year, that makes barack obama's job easier to remind people what he inherited. >> absolutely. this is a good year for vice presidential candidate who wants to be postured for 2016. a horrible year because they are probably not going to win but so jeb bush doesn't need it, he would be better off running clean in four years from now than he would taking the number two slot. >> susan, doesn't want it, doesn't need it, wouldn't take it? >> it's pretty customary, even for people campaigning to be vice president to say it's not a job they would take. you don't want to look too eager, if you don't get it, some of the things we're hearing about vice president we should take with a grain of salt. jeb bush knows better than almost any of these guys what is the cost is to running for national office and serving in national office. although he would be, he has to

be a tantalizing choice. he has great relations with latino voters. he could do a lot important mitt romney. >> thanks to all of you have a great weekend. this weekend president obama turns up the neat raising money for his reelection. he will stand shoulder-to-shoulder with bill clinton for the first of a handful of joint fund-raisers. this will take place in virginia home of former dnc chairman terry mccauliffe. plus restorin. it's the only rinse that makes your teeth two shades whiter and two times stronger. ♪ listerine® whitening... power to your mouth. so i used my citi thank you card to pick up some accessories. a new belt. some nylons. and what girl wouldn't need new shoes? we talked about getting a diamond. but with all the thank you points i've been earning... ♪

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voyage atop a 747 jumbo jet heading to jfk airport. after leaving dulles airport in d.c. this morning. but it's journey will include low altitude fly overs over manhattan like the statue. joining me now is mark kelly, good morning. >> good morning. >> so we're watching the liftoff from dulles, i think a lot of my colleagues in washington, d.c., we tend to think of ourselves in new york and d.c. as being jaded, but last week when they had the same kind of fly over, people went absolutely crazy. it was so exciting. were you surprised by the reaction? >> i was a little bit. i received a lot of pictures that people took with their cell phones, from washington, d.c., a lot of my wife's former colleagues sent photos of discovery flying over, a lot of excitement. >> your wife being former congress woman gabby giffords.

on the plane is bill rickey, the pilot, in nasa aircraft operator is his formal title. do you know him? >> yeah, at our aircraft operations division at johnson space center we have a bunch of research pilots. he's one of those, a pilot in t-38 training airplane we use, also pilot on the shuttle carrier aircraft. >> does it feel different flying that with the shuttle on top of it than it would flying a normal 747? >> well, absolutely. that is not a normal 747. it's almost gutted on the inside, to make it much lighter, once they add the shuttle carrier or once they add the space shuttle to the orbiter to the top, that has different flying characteristics. i haven't had an opportunity to fly it but i hear it's a challenge. >> i wbet it is.

people made observations what would be the future of manned space flight and are people -- obviously, a lot of what happened with the space race early on in the time of john glenn and the first moon landing. do you think this is going to be a good thing, we're putting these various shuttles in different places, this one is going to the intrepid on the west side of manhattan, do you i it will keep enthusiasm high for the space program? >> well, the space shuttle has been the workhorse, for nasa for the better part of 30 years. it first flew in 1981, after the columbia accident under president bush, we decided it was time to retire the space shuttle and build a new system. that changed under the current administration a little bit now we're doing commercial crew, we have a bunch of companies that are going to try to give us access again to the international space station and access to low earth orbit,

sierra nevada, spacex has been successful, they orbited dragon 17 months ago and they are getting ready to fly a cargo ship up to the space station next month. so we're getting back in the business hopefully of flying people in space. there will be a little bit of a down time and the space shuttles will go around the country to a few museums, endeavour will be the last and head to l.a., starting this -- this fall. >> i was lucky enough to cover one of the launches and there is nothing like that, that i've ever experienced. what is it like in the shuttle when eventually this does end up at the intrepid and other ones are open for business, so to speak, to become a learning tool and experience, what is it like inside that shuttle somewhat will people see? >> the crew compartment of the space shuttle it depends on your

perspective. some people think it's small, other think it's large. the cockpit is about the size of the cockpit of a 747. then there is a mid-deck. i've flown the space shuttle up to the space station on four occasions. when we send them to the museums as you may know, enterprise never flew in space, it was the approach and landing test vehicle early on in the space shuttle program, it flew five flights not connected to the shuttle carrier airplane but within the atmosphere to prove that we could successfully land it. but as we put these space shuttles around the country, the discovery which is at the air and space museum will be displayed as if it was on the runway as if it's landed, the one that will be at kennedy space center in florida will be with the payload bay door open like it was in space. the plan for endeavour at california science center as if on the launch pad with external tank and two solid rocket

boosters. people can travel around the country and see the three shuttles that have flown in space in different configurations. >> mark kelly, we're waiting to get word that we're going dob able to start seeing this in the skies over manhattan, i know you will stay with us, well in the next hour as all these folks in new york city start to come outside of their work places and look up in the sky, thanks, mark kelly, talk to you soon. >> i'll be here. that bring us to today's must-read which doesn't have to do with the space program or politics. we usually handicap political races on jansing & co. but call it foodie friday. must-read is crazed speculation among food lovers over the new list on monday of the world's 50 best restaurants. up on our facebook page at facebook/jansingco. bon appetite. [ male announcer ] you may be an allergy muddler.

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is! there it! you're looking at the 747 with the shuttle enterprise on top of it. it in the jfk area, the area of jfk airport in new york city. it will have quite a reception there. there is an invited audience of 1500 people who have come to see what is truly a phenomenal site, not something that many people have ever had the opportunity to see. enterprise of course flying without a crew, own cockpit has been stripped of instruments, that actually happened a long time ago. it is mounted to the top of the 747, ultimately it's going to be taken off of that 747, it will be placed on a barge near jfk airport, and then it will be taken on the hudson river to its final resting place which will be part of the intrepid sea, air

and space museum in manhattan. i'm wondering, we were talking with astronaut mark kelly, does it give you a thrill to see a shot like this? >> it does. i'm very fond of space shuttle discovery and endeavour, which i flew on each twice but always great to see any space shuttle even enterprise and for it to get to new york city is certainly very exciting for the people that live there. >> we have cameras all over the place, we have cameras near the top of the rock. this is the freedom tower, and we were talking before, obviously, this is not your everyday 747 flight. i think we hear people yelling in the background. it's exciting. how difficult is this to maneuver at this point? obviously flying at low altitude, what altitude are they flying at now? >> well, i mean it looks like probably 1500 feet to me in the video i'm looking at.

the space shuttle empty weighs 195000 pounds, enterprise is different i'm not sure of the exact weight, flying a 747 with something of that size and mass on the top is a little bit challenging. >> i would say so. and how difficult will it be to land? this is a pilot who has done this many times before. >> yeah, i don't know how many times bill has flown the 747 with an orbiter on top, but i imagine it's a little bit more challenging. that configuration first flew in 1977, one of the reasons why we built enterprise was to be able to test how well it could fly in the atmosphere but also how we'll get it around the country on top of a 747 airplane. >> yeah you can hear the hoots and hollers from the crowd. we have several of the cameras on the ground there. what a spectacular flight you see it flying over the island of

manhattan there. you would know about space flight, for people don't know your bio, you were a commander and you flew on the international space station, i saw at the end of your bio you traveled more than 6.5 million miles, orbited the earth 248 times, over 15 days, 17 hours and 38 minutes. so, tell me what would you like people to take away from this? not just watching this today but when they have an opportunity to go to these air just places across the country where they will see the shuttles up close. >> i think what people should take away is that americans very smart engineers and scientists built this incredible machine. we have been flying the space shuttle, flew over 135 flights. an incredible vehicle, no country, this is the first and only time we ever have been able to do something like this, which was to build this massive space

ship, that was able to fly strapped to a rocket ship and do incredible things in orbit and fly home like an airplane and be reused again. it's a testament to how talented people are in this country and what we can do when we put our mind to something. it's an incredible vehicle. >> it still has the power to invoke feelings of awe. one of the most frequently asked questions that i've had asked of me and i think people ask of each other in general is if you had an opportunity to go up in space, would you do it? my answer was always yes, absolutely. i would go tomorrow. i don't think i'm ever going to have that opportunity. as someone who has, what is it like? >> when i ask people that question it's about 50/50. half the people say i would do it tomorrow, the other half say i would never do it. it's because it's a risky proposition to fly in space. there is a lot of rewards for the country by doing it. it affects our economy

drastically. what we get out of in terms of invention, really pretty incredible. flying in space is a lot of fun. launching on a rocketship is something i'll never forget. i had the opportunity to go up to the space station four times in the space shuttle, and then come home afterwards and land on a runway in space shuttle endeavour and discovery, it's an exciting experience. >> when you would be out and about and people didn't know who you were and the inevitable question would come at the dinner party or maybe a fundraising event with your wife, gabby giffords, someone would say mark, what do you do? what is their reaction when you say i'm an astronaut? >> usually i say i'm in the navy and i'll say i work for thnasa, then i would say i'm an ast

astrona astronaut. people feel close connection to the space program. certainly right now, we're in a challenging times as we get back the capability to fly people in space, that will take another four or five, six years, but we have a lot of smart people, companies like space x and others working on this for nasa and we will be flying people off the planet in u.s. spacecraft again. >> i happen to be away when the fly over was done in washington, d.c., and people were telling me about it afterwards, and somebody sai how do they do that? and obviously, i'm not asking you for a technical answer but the first time that this flew and again we should say this is a pro ttotype shuttle, is there breath holding and in a way, while we all say how do they do that, do you sometimes say can we do that?

>> well, with enterprise, what they did first was they didn't take off. strapped it on the top of the 747, and just taxied down the runway, increasing speeds and eventually with enough instrumentation and with the data about how the p pilots felt, it taxied down the runway at high speed, then they took off. then we got to the point we would release it off the top of the 747 to see how well it landed. that led up to the first flight in 1981 when we flew columbia in space for the first time. the way we do this, we have very smart people in the country that can design anything if we put our minds to it and we can make stuff like this work. >> it really is a progression, i think that is a very good point. not like you started out doing this first time-out.

>> no, in any flight test program for any new airplane or any new spacecraft you use a build up approach. do the stuff that is easier and safer first, you gain confidence over time, and eventually you put a crew like john young and robert krippen in columbia and blast them off in space for a couple days. >> so we continue to watch this 747 with the enterprise on top, and it's making its flight over new york city, eventually make its way to jfk where in 15 or 1600 invited guests are waiting for the arrival. we're hear with astronaut mark kelly and will watch it for you here on msnbc. we'll take a quick break and be back with more. ♪ to check your credit score before it gets too late ♪ ♪ and you end up strapped for cash ♪ ♪ patching your board with duct tape ♪ ♪ so hit free-credit-score-dot-com ♪ ♪ find out what credit's about ♪ ♪ or else you could be headed for a credit wipeout ♪

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a new study shows patients showing heart attack symptoms who received glucose were half as likely to go in cardiac arrest or die than patients who didn't receive the mixture. patients had significantly less heart tissue damage than victims who did not take the dose. florida senator marco rubio doesn't want to talk about maybe being tapped as the vp but he has been out there a lot. he joined mitt romney on the campaign trail in pennsylvania this week. he delivered a foreign policy speech at brookings institute on wednesday. and he's making headlines by push his own version of the dream act. chip saltzman, ted devine, advised campaigns for president. good morning, gentlemen, good to see you. >> good morning. >> we've talked on the program, ted, about what mitt romney is doing to vet possible

candidates. if you're someone who wants to be tapped, what do you do? >> well, there is an inside game and outside game. you mentioned marco rubio playing the outside game, giving speeches, the inside game that is important. the most important thing to do in the inside game is do what the campaign asks you to do. can you go to des moines to talk to the convention, be there. you need to get records in shape in terms of the vetting process, tax returns and other records. substantive briefings on foreign policy. most importantly work the inside levers. consultants may have been your consultants, work the levers, if do you the outside and inside game you have a good chance of being picked. >> i want to let people know we have a box up next to you because we have the shuttle on top of the 747 that is flying over new york city, chip you're probably interested in this, you're a pilot, i understand? >> that's right.

i'm okay if we go to the little screen. keep the big screen on. >> let me ask you about what ted said, inside game, outside game. publicly we have potential vice presidential picks saying i'm not interested, i'm not interested, take a listen to what gop strategist steve schmidt said about marco rubio on "morning joe." >> you saw his answer about the vice president changed very much. to me that says i'm getting vetted. once you start going through that the process, you stop talking about the process. so people who aren't getting vetted will say i'm not being vetted i won't do it. people who are going to be vetted say i want to respect the process and i won't talk about that. >> so chip, if you're being vetted is the best advice sit back and shut up? >> there is no question. and make sure everybody knows before the process starts you're not interested in the job and once the vetting start you don't want to talk about it at all, but like i said the one job

nobody wants, nobody turns down. >> ted, most of the time do the guys -- is it easier if you know the person or you like the person? sarah palin obviously was unknown to john mccain, we have a sense of how that worked out. what do you think? what plays in the decision making? >> well, the human dynamic is important, that is why you see events like rubio did with governor romney earlier this week with the two of them get together, that chemistry will be very important. but in the end, i think the campaigns have criteria for making decisions. one of the things i think the republicans will avoid this year is having someone who they don't know well. who will not survive the scrutiny. last time they made the mistake, they won't do it again. >> are there lessons, chip, that you think some of these candidates have learned from watching previous wanna-bes that didn't get tapped? >> yeah, absolutely. do your homework, usually the rule for vice presidential picks, do no harm. and then you want to pick somebody you're comfortable

with. somebody to pick that you feel like can do well in the vice presidential debate. once they are the nominee, unless they make bad news, that is the only night they make big news. and then somebody that can step in and be president of the united states. that is one that is very important to the american people as we move forward. >> if you're being vetted, ted, do you tell nobody? the worst thing you want is for something to leak out because you've told members of your family and your son or daughter in college told their roommate or something? >> absolutely. and now in the age of twitter and facebook and everything else, this stuff can leak out so quickly, in a matter of seconds, can be out to a huge universe. keep a tight lid on the thing and that is one of the criteria the vetting process will test. whether or not someone can keep a secret. if they can't, they will probably get kicked out for that. >> chip, would you suggest that any of these potential candidates talk about going to

mars and perhaps establishing a base on mars? >> not sure that is going to be one of the top subject matters going in the vetting process or the media. >> as you're watching this chip, i have to ask you as a small plane pilot, you fly pipers? >> i do. >> isn't this cool? >> one of the coolest things. in washington i got to step out of my office, go out to the deck with all the other staffers and look out and did this great bypass, i had goose bumps the rest of the day. >> i'm thrilled -- >> a great way to spend friday. >> i'm thrilled to watch it on tv. i'm guessing there is not work getting done in manhattan. thanks for sticking with us. let me bring mark kelly back in. again, just to this whole idea of the dlthrill of us, for thos

watching on tv, on the ground, are they feeling anything when it's flying this low? >> you'll hear the engines from the 747. i doubt that sounds any different than a normal 747. certainly a thrilling sight to see. i've only seen it a couple times with the orbiter on top of the shuttle carrier plane, once at the johnson space center, a few years back with endeavour and once when i was in college at the merchant marine academy, might have been enterprise, as it flew over new york city. it was on a trip visiting certain places in the country and that was the beginning of the shuttle program. >> who is on board right now, just pilot, co-pilot? >> no, i imagine there is more than just the two pilots on board. there is probably a bit of a bigger crew for the 747, they

probably have am flight test engineer on board, couple maintenance people, so there is probably a good crowd on there. >> how fun that would be to see it from that perspective. mark kelly, the astronaut staying with us, we'll follow this as it flies over manhattan. we will be right back. ♪ you make me happy [ female announcer ] choose the same brand your mom trusted for you. children's tylenol, the #1 brand of pain and fever relief recommended by pediatricians and used by moms decade after decade. ♪ [ multiple sounds making melodic tune ] ♪ [ male announcer ] at northrop grumman, every innovation, every solution, comes together for a single purpose -- to make the world a safer place. that's the value of performance. northrop grumman.

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this is the live picture of nasa's 747 sitting on top of it is the enterprise. and people have been coming out of their offices, people have been gathering in lower manhattan around the statue of liberty to get a look at this, something that you don't see every day, that you may never see again, and in fact this will be the last flight of the enterprise. it's making its way to jfk where it will be greeted by a vip crowd of 1600 people, and eventually will be demated from the top of the 747, put on a

barge and brought to the intrepid sea, air and space museum. mark kelly, astronaut, has been with us. you're a jersey guy, were you born in orange? >> yeah, born in orange, grew up in west orange, in the image right now on the screen it looks like enterprise is flying over new jersey. >> was wondering, do you have family there, do you think they are stepping out, taking a look? >> a few, i imagine they probably are. >> i imagine they paid some close attention perhaps to the space shuttle program over the years. we were talking about the obviously the unique circumstance for the pilot, pilot rickey flying it now. there were concerns about the weather and i know they moved this flight at one point. what are the particular concerns about flying this shuttle, flying the 747 with the shuttle on top and sort of the

trickiness of it in terms of weather, pilot skills? >> well, there are several concerns. you know, one with the other orbiters, the ones that have flown in space, atlantis, discover, endeavour, the thermal protection system, the tiles on the bottom are able to absorb moisture. so it can't fly through any rain. enterprise is different. but with something so massive on top of an airplane you wouldn't want to fly through any thunderstorms or any turbulence, the wings for landing are certainly different in this configuration than for 747 by it self. the weather is restrictive and when they will fly with the space shuttle with an orbiter on top of a 747. >> i can't let you go, i know you will stick around for the next hour, there you see people standing and watching, wow. wish we could be out there. i don't want to let you go in the next hour without asking you how your wife gabby giffords is

doing? >> gabby is doing great. she is continuing with thher therapy, she does it five to six days a week, improving every days, getting better and in a great mood, and we're going have to see what the future holds for her. she is hoping one day she will get back to public service in some form or another. we don't know when that is at this point. >> send her our best we keep up with her through our frequent guest, debbie wasser man-schultz, keeps us posted. i know you will stick around to talk to thomas roberts, thank you very much, mark kelly. that will wrap jansing & co. thanks for watching, i'll see you back here monday and again, thomas roberts is up next, along with his special guest, sandra fluke. soft, smooth hands are in! oooh, what's her secret? [ male announcer ] dawn hand renewal with olay beauty. improves the look and feel of hands in just five uses.

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