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i never thought i would live to say these words, but even donald trump agrees with me. >> i thought it was a terrible ad. it made him bigger than life. it made him a super celebrity. i think it was a terrible ad by the republicans. i think if anything, when i first saw it, i thought the democrats put it out. >> today the romney campaign jumped on the campaign saying the president spent the week slow-jamming the news, striking the heisman pose, and trying to pick the fight over student loans. they're trying to attack the president on one of his biggest strengths -- popularity. 56% of americans say the president is likable. only 27% feel the same way about
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willard. we have seen them try this before. >> he is the biggest celebrity in the world, but is he ready tç lead? >> i'm john mccain and i approve this message. >> we all know how that worked out, carl rove is growing concerned. his first projection of the 2012 race has president obama running way ahead. this week rove has obama getting 220 votes, and romney with 93 votes. he has millions to spend, but this ad was a major swing and miss. joining me now is richard wolf, he is author of "revival" and michael steele, an msnbc analyst and former rnc chairman.
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thank you both for being here tonight. >> thanks, reverend. >> let me ask you a question, did rove's attack backfire? >> it didn't work in 2008, and in 2008 they had a much better prospect for that kind of ad. you're talking about a freshman senator. his resumé running for president was pretty thin. so what you have now is a president, they are famous, they do go on tv and they do have cool things like air force one, but really questioning his ability to do the job has to come from questioning his record. you cannot just say he is famous and not up to the job. it speaks to their contempt for the president, but itç doesn't get to anything but humanizing him. showing his great moments when he's not stuck behind a podium
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trying to negotiate. >> michael, is this a hit and miss? >> i think it's a good ad in the sense that it starts a narrative that i think crossroads and the romney campaign and the rnc are going to be engaging over the next few months. remember the target of this ad was not me, or you, it's the college campus student that has a cool persona about obama. they wanted to go after that. say he is cool, a great pal, he has the 3-d glasses on, but you don't have a job. and you're walking into a economy where there is no job for you. they want to chip away at the president's armor if you will with respect to the in records wi -- roads with the voters. you showed the numbers.
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if you're in that 27%, you have to bring down your opponents bigger number, and i think this is an effective way to do that. it's not that heady, highbrow, it's posed to be a low cost, high impact ad that starts the narrative. >> let's take what you're saying and look at this richard. rove says in his ad theç president being cool while there's high student debt -- let me play for you what he said. this is the president, let's play this ad. >> this country always made a commit tomt put a good education in the reach of everybody. we need to make college for affordable for you. and i told congress steer aide to schools that keep tuition affordable, and provide good value. helping more young people afford
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college should be at the forefront of america's agenda. not a democrat or republican issue. >> while he is playing that the president is just cool and not dealing with your issues, you're und underemployed, or unemployed, there is the president out there fighting for the things they say he is not fighting for. doesn't this backfire in the face of the president on college campuses this week, he has been fighting these kind of issues, and the facts are not going to bear them out on this? >> the president is trying to hit the messages about college loans. there was a nice counter point today when romney did a round table and they said e we need to invest in education, and he said
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would close things like the department of education. heç cannot invest in education and lower taxes, so it's a question of priorities. i have to disagree with michael here. if you want to reach college ads, a ad will not do it. he has to go where the people are, in this case, the college kids are not listen to a carl rove ad on this one. >> if that's the case you don't need ads at all. you take your time and go boo the community where you want to reach the voters. you do the ad, and you also do the other things you're talking about. >> i'll tell you what you might not want to do, michael, while the president is out there ob o -- on one side appearing cool, and fighting for student loans, let me show you where willard
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was today and advice he gave students about how to finance their college education. this is willard today. >> this attack of success is very different than what we have seen in our country's history. we always encouraged young people take a shot, go for it, take a risk, get the education, borrow money if you have to from your parents, start a business. >> how will that work out for you? let's close down the department of education -- >> you're making a false equivalency there. the department of education has nothing to do -- >> let's take the department of education out of it then michael -- >> they'reç going to borrow moy from their family if their family has money or friends if they have it. that's part of the equation as well. he's talking about an economy where those rouses are available
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to you, not just blowing up government and making you go through that turnsti style. where were you in week 72 of your administration? this issue on the cost of education didn't just pop up this week, reverend. it's been on the table from the beginning, but only now that this administration is starting to deal with it because elections are this fall, and the president knows he needs a chunk of those voters. >> he's talking about it because interest rates are going to go up on student loans. >> and why is that? >> and congress needs to act. >> let's be serious. you're talking about he is running against a guy that had forgotten to bring up student loans, walked away with rubio, and said oh, i forgot, i port student loans too.
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let's not act like you have the champion. >> is that the most damaging thing you have to say about him. >> you raised the point, i realize you have to hold up your side -- >> i'm just talking -- >> you said where was the president on the day ç70-some. i'm reminding you your candidate just got on board, and p.m. forgot to get on board the day before yesterday. >> you're just wrong. >> tell me where he got on board before that, i'll be quiet. >> he's been talking about this issue for quite some time. >> he announced the day before yesterday his position. >> i understand, fine, he could have announced it 15 minutes ago, president obama has been -- >> he's been running for president for five years, i think we should have -- >> you know what -- >> richard wolf, michael steele,
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thank you for your time, and michael have a cool weekend, i wouldn't put an ad out on you. >> the obama campaign releases a new ad on one of his achievements, plus, john boehner faces a choice between taxes big oil, and taking money away from women's health. guess which one he goes with? >> no, no, we're going to have a fight over women's health. give me a break. and. >> and gearing up for the biggest bash of the year, a chance for the president and n pundants to try their hand atç stand up. >> the team did not impress the
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instantly on any screen. find out more online. we will kill bin laden, we will crush al qaeda, that has to be our biggest national security priority. >> tonight i can report that the united states has conducted an operation that killed osama bin laden, the leader of al qaeda. >> in just a few days, it will be one year since president obama ordered the mission to kill osama bin laden. fulfilling a promise he made to the american people. today, the campaign released a video about that decision featuring former president bill clinton. >> suppose the navy seals went
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in there and it wasn't bin laden, or they could be captured or killed. he took the harder, and the more honorable path. >> the ad also draws a contrast between what president did, and what mitt romney might or might not have done to get bin laden. "it's not worth moving heaven and earth, spending billions of dollars, to catch one person." >> right away, the romney campaign cried foul saying, quote, it's now sad to' the obama campaign see to use an event that united our country to divide us. it was okay for willard to attack the president before the plan was proved successful, but
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not okay for the president to point out how wrong willard turns out to be. late today john mccain hammered president of the ad. shame on barack obama for diminishing the memory of september 11th by keling)it ino a cheap attack add." it was one just in a series. ended the war in iraq, exit plan for afghanistan. the president praised the military role in all of that today when he addressed 10,000 troops at fort stewart, georgia. >> you have performed heroically in some of the most dangerous places on earth. you have done everything asked of you and more, and you have
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earned a personal place in our nation's history. >> joining me now is michael eric dyson, an ann lis, and georgetown university professor. thank you for coming on the show. what do you think about the romney campaign calling this video about bin laden devicive. he took offense to president obama and his tactics, methods, and strategies for killing osama bin laden, and now he is attacking him for acknowledging this deed was done, a major act of foreign policy that was incapable -- the previous administration was incapable of performing. even by republican standards, barack obama has done something extraordinary that george bush could not do that they indicate was necessary for them to be seen successfully. now romney is notç only arguin
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against obama, but the moral trajectory of his own party. >> he is also arguing against some of his own language. look at this -- >> we look around the world today, we see a muddled picture of american's foreign policy and our power. >> obama has adopted an appeasement strategy. it portrays a lack of faith in america. >> if you don't want america to be the strongest nation on earth, i'm not your president. you have that president today. >> muddled, appeasement, not having faith in the united states to be strong, and then when he answers, showing the strength he did exercise, showing that he is not in any way muddled, then it is a cheap
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political attack? you can't have it both ways. >> you can't, and muddled? appeasing. this man was clear, stood before the american people, indicated what had happened, was not engaging in an extraordinary and extreme celebration, but saw bin laden as the person responsible for the terrorist acts of 9/11 and acted with presidential authority. as bill clinton said, he took a huge risk but he made that decision. barack obama steppedç into the gap and said -- i am the president, i am the commander in chief, and it turned out brilliantly. it's sour grapes on the part of mitt romney, and now he is trying to make a wine from it. >> you also have to put into the mix that 17 of his advisors on foreign policy come from the bush administration, and that's
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one of the things that i think we clearly have the right to graze as voters. you have one president who is a defined foreign policy, with some successes. you have another president who 17 of his foreign affair advisors come from the president who failed to do some of the things you just pointed out. >> it's ridiculous. and look, there are those on the left that have been critical of president obama saying that look, you've dallied too much with those on the other side, but the president came into office saying he wanted bipartisanship. robert gates he kept on. he had a plan for his foreign policy, he executed it, he did not do an apology tour, and he strengthened and reinforced the world without being brutal. then he executed the plan with
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brillia brillian brilliance. they will not be quiet until he is not given the credit he deserves and is not acknowledged as a brilliant tactician in foreign policy.ç >> michael eric dyson, thank you for your time. >> still ahead, john boehner protecting oil companies from paying their fair share. quite a day for the speaker. we're gearing up for one of the biggest events in washington, the night hollywood parties with politicia politicians. ♪ ♪ [ lauer ] this is our team. and unlike other countries, it's built by your donations, not government funding. and now, to support our athletes, you can donate a stitch in america's flag
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devisiveness, or one race against oath. it's one race against another, male verses çfemale, and i'm sk of all of that. >> really, sick of this devisiveness. i wonder if he thought the same thing when there was hispanics for john mccain, or when bush and chaney spoke out to the arab americans, or if his wife was playing one gender against another when she did women for gingrey. with a record like this and rhetoric like yours, it's pretty clear the only one being devisive here is you. nice try, but we got you.
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welcome back to "politicsnation," today, house republicans made it clear who they really care about in this country. siding with oil companies every everyday americans. these priorities were revealed in a vote to help students burdened by college loans instead of closing tax loopholes, they settled for cuts on women's health. the bill they passed eliminates a preventive health care program that covers hundreds and thousands of screenings for breast and cervical health. >> now we're going to have a fight over women's health -- give me a break. this is the latest blank in the so called war on women.
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entirely created -- entirely created by my colleaguesç acro the aisle for political game. >> no war on women, but you just voted to cut $6 billion on services that help women, and then you have the nerve so say this. >> people want to politicize this because it's an election year, but my god, do we have to fight about everything? >> fight about everything? that's your entire agenda, and you have been doing it since day one. a new book alleges that while president obama and his wife were dancing at the inaugural ball, lawmakers were less than a mile away planning how to block his policies and undermine his presidency. and boy, have you tried your best. as a party you have threatened to shut down the government four times, and you're looking to do it again in the attempt to bleed more money from food stamps. so the answer is no, we don't
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have to fight every everything, but it's mighty hard to work with a party whose leader can't even say the word compromise. >> so you did compromise? >> i -- we found common ground. >> why won't you say -- >> you're afraid of the word. >> i reject the word. >> joining me now is melissa harris-perry. and ej dion, a columnist and contributor. thank you for your time this evening. let me start with you melissa, republicans siding with big oil over womwn's health, aren't their priorities clear to you? >> yes, it feels like that. and look, the idea that they are continuing, in the context of -- even as they try to put forward a new violence against women act, saying there is no war on
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women, continuing to see women, children, and poor people. those are the folks most impacted by the budget decisions their making and by the compromises -- the so called compromises their making. the fact that the most vulnerable people are still the target rather than those with the most to give, like big oil. >> now, ej, let me ask you. when you look at paul ryan's budget, the plan cuts tremendously from the poor. 62% from programs amounting to about $3.3 trillion. he cuts from pell grants, medicaid, and food stamps. today he went to georgetown, a catholic university to defend this, i believe yesterday, watch this. >> i suppose there are some catholics who, for a long time, thought they had a monopoly of sorts. not exactly on heaven, but on
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the social teaching of our church. of course there can be differences among faithful catholics on this. >> he is trying to defend it, but no matter how he defends it, they're cutting out trillions of dollars from programsç that po americans depend on. >> i should say i was one of the georgetown professors, there were many who signed the letter. and i think there is a very interesting passage in that letter where, it's a complicated word the church uses, subsidiary. and it means where you can, you should solve problems as close to the poem as possible. and congressman ryan says see we want to empty this out of the federal government. but the key part of the teaching is as close as possible. and we developed national
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programs like food stamps and medicaid because we know they won't work if they're done bay city, neighborhood, or state. and so, his budget, to take all of this stuff out from poor people's programs, in order to finance these really big tax cuts for the wealthy, it's incomprehensible. i don't know who is advising the republicans, but why they would want to take money out of screenings for women's illnesses when they already have a huge problem with women voters is beyond me. >> that's the point. they already are suffering with women voters. they are suffering with young people. they clearly have, when you look at the proposed tax cuts under paul ryan's plan, it favors the rich,ç melissa, $265,000 for
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millionaires, $751 for the middle class. no wonder romney is trying to pivot away and make himself a candidate of fairness, but he is the poster guy, how does he do this? >> this is just bad politics, right? let's take the policy, et lichi and morality, and let's just ask how you win an election. the republicans have been able to brand a war on women, and take all of these sets of policy, and say this looks like a concerted effort to reduce the ability of win to gain access to legal, reasonable health care, and then you make a choice that adds to that. and then take to the floor and say i can't believe we're going to have a fight about this. sure you can believe we're going to have a fight about this, and romney knows they're going to have a fight about it and does not want to have to be the
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leader on a ticket of a party that is behaving this way. >> and when you look at romney and what he stands for, ej, himself. not only does he have to lead a ticket, he supports huge tax cuts for the rich, cuts in the department of education, supports ending medicare as we know it, cuts to food stamps. he has his own baggage to carry and the baggage of his party. >> that's right, and i think the combination is tough. you're seeing president obama
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i think the majority of americans believe that too, and romney will have to defend that, and obama is trying to force him too. >> also you have to deal with the fact that you have some of the most ridiculous examples of republicans trying to block the president's programs. boehner rejected the president's initial request to address congress. senate republicans filibustered the jobs bill and many of the judicial nominees. they have blocked, blocked, blocked, and we find out now it started -- the plan started the night of the inaugural ball. >> here is how i think the strategy may be playing out for them. we talked about this a couple times before. if you don't necessarily have
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better ideas, rather than convince people to choose you, you reduce the number of people who will be making a choice at all. there's two ways to do it. one isç you structurally reduc it through voter id laws, and if people just feel like gosh, i don't care who is in government, nothing gets done, it's a big fight, i don't believe anybody, then you reduce the number of people willing to pay attention and show up. if they do it both in terms of structure and in terms of strategy, i think the goal is to just shrink the electorate. what the president will need to do is recreate that sense of enthusiasm, the belief that we can do things collectively, and he is the guy to do it. >> even the american people as a public need not shrink. it's not right no matter who you vote for. thank you both, and both of you have a have a great weekend.
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don't forget to catch melissa harris-perry from 10:00 a.m. to noon on saturday. up next, after obama released his birth certificate, it's still the rage on the right. ♪ open up. we have come for the foul, unholy beast. the one with the red markings. the miracle whip? stand aside that we may burn it.
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folks, old conspiracies die hard. one year ago today, president obama surprised the media with an appearance in the briefing room to release his long-form birth certificate. >> i know there will be a segment of people for which no matter what we put out, this issue will not be put to rest. but i'm speaking to the vast majority of the american people and as well to the press. we do not have time for this kind of silliness, we have better stuff to do. >> the white house made it available for download on their website, and they sold t-shirts and mugs.
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but a year later, some people apparently don't have better things to do. like this sheriff, he held a press conference about his investigation into the certification. >> upon close examination, we are prepared to say that we believe probable cause exists because forgery and fraud may have been committed. >> he is planning another press conference to release more evidence. he is not the only one refusing toç hop off the bandwagon. >> it's a legitimate issue. >> the general consensus is that he has produced a birth certifica certificate, the question is, is
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it legitimate? >> i have a lot of doubts about that, i haven't seen it. >> and then there is the king of all birthers, donald trump. he has been quiet lately. maybe it had manage to do with something president obama said this time last year. >> no one is happier, no one is prouder to put this birth certificate matter to rest than the donald. that's because he can finally get back to focussing on the issues that matter. like, did we fake the moon landing? >> that was a classic clip from the white house correspondents dinner. and coming up, we'll see what president has in store for this year's dinner, which is tomorrow night, that's next. i'm more of an absentee plant parent.
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zlrchlgt tomorrow night is one of the biggest nights in dc. the night that hollywood parties with washington. it's become a night for the president to have a little fun. take a couple good hearted shots at his detractors and those that cover him. and in a way, they tell us something about our leaders, sometimes their funny, sometimes their revealing, and this year will bring out the a-listers. george clooney will join leon panetta, and the editors of time, and kimç kardashian wille there as a guest for fox news, and it might be the only event where you see lindsey lohan in the same room as them. jimmy kimmel is the host this year. >> i let down my key core
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constituency, matt damon say he was disappointed in my performance. well matt, i just saw "the adjustment bureau." michele bachmann is here though i understand. she is thinking about running for president, which is weird because i hear she was born in canada. yes, michelle, this is how it starts -- >> joining me now is bob frank, a columnist, and emily hyle, a staff writer for the washington post. how does the president top last year's performance. >> i expect he will be slow-jamming the speech this year. it will be able to start because the republicans will be looking at each other asking what he's doing. we're talking about an unhip audience here.
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this is washington's annual country come to town dinner. it looks like the oscars, but they don't have as many movie stars in the audience. but president obama will be tellingç jokes, the republican will rush to the cameras to express disapproval, and then we'll go to the next one. >> emily, what will be the president's -- what material will he work with this year? >> there is so much comedic fauder out there this year, that i don't think he will have a shortage, one thing i thought he could use to his advantage, is is just the way he did in previous dinners, he could trot out the off mic moment, talking about having more flexibility after the election. that seems great for a great gag where he thinks he's off mic and he says things he's really
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thinking. if i were a comedy writer, that is something i would go with. i think he will have to shortage with some of the republican candidates out there. there seems to be a lot to be said there. he also needs to take a few shots at himself too. that's something that the president and the mc kind of have to do just to be -- just to be fair about things, you know? they have to dish it out and take it too. >> i mentioned the nights can be revealing. let's watch some of the more memorable skips. >> in good days and bad, times of great confidence or controversy, i have actually shown up here for eight straight years. looking back, that was probably a mistake. >> those weapons of mass destruction have gotç to be somewhere. zlim very much looking forward to hearing seth meyers tonight. he is a young, fresh face who
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can do no wrong in the eyes of his fans, seth, enjoy it while it lasts. >> when comedian steven colbert hosted in 2006, there was a controversy, watch this. >> i stand by this man. i stan by this man because he stands for things. not only for things, he stands on things. things like aircraft carriers, rubble, and recently flooded city squares. and that sends a strong message that no matter what happens to america, she will always rebound with the most powerfully staged photo ops in the world. >> what do you expect to hear from mr. kimmel? do you think he will be as controversial or be more in the boundaries of what we expect on a night like this. >> it's so tough to know where
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that line is, and i think we should grow a thicker skin here in washington and laugh at these things a little more. i think the kmooed rusians that do this big are very aware of that line, and have a tough time figuring out where it is. honestly, a lot of really great stand up and comedy is really edgy. it's offensive. and that doesn't necessarily play so well in this venue. so i think they do have to be careful. you look at someone $ike wanda sykes who made a joke about rush limbaugh being a terrorist. that won't go over well. he will have to know where that line is, but i think we should have thicker skin and learn to laugh. >> bob, what do you think jimmy will do? >> i can tell you what he is doing right now is sweating bullets. as emily points out, washington is not known for a sense of humor.
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it's very easy -- >> not you, bob. >> pardon? not me, no. there are certainly a few, emily, and i certainly would not include you either. washington is not known as a hip city, and it doesn't have much of a sense of humor. in washington they like to laugh at people. so that's going to be difficult, and as i said, i'm sure he is very nervous. i have talked to some of the performers afterward, and they were happy just to survive the event. >> here is kimmel on his show. >> i cording to a new poll, michelle obama and ann romney are both more popular than their husbands. only 56% have a favorable view of the president, 59% have a favorable use of mrs. obama.
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>> excuse me, last time i checked, 69% of people were on my side, thinkç about what whe you're sleeping on the couch. >> will he hit both sides on a bipartisan night? >> i think it will be one of the first examples of bipartisanship out. >> there will be people counting how many jokes he makes on each side of the aisle. that's a thing to keep in mind, equal shots on both sides. >> it will be an interesting night, it always is, bob, emily, great segment, thanks for coming on the show, see you tomorrow, and tune in tomorrow night for full coverage of the white house correspondents 'dinner, it starts right here on msnbc. thanks for watching, i'm al sharpton, have a great weekend.
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