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always tell you what i thought and most importantly i would wake up every single day working as hard as i know how. to make your lives a little bit better. i have kept that promise. and i'm still thinking about you. >> of david corn, this is your first time in this rodeo. i'll go to you first on this. dyohath recoisd abit >> youw,orthe bookha just lued, thnkou f th. an incredible ok. i encourage everyone to buy a copy immediately. >> that's even better. >> spoke to -- i just won't say anything. i spoke to some of the campaign people including jim messina. in preparation for this campaign, he went back and read basically every book he could find on every presidential campaign of the last few decades. he came out of it with a very obvious conclusion, which is that campaigns are about the the arorcrs ch as we will heartt
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tt lokwehe sshus jo odti, steople loo thpresidento guidhem ahead. soeadingorrd, marching forwd. >> forward in general. so working slogan. >> it's a good thing. it's optimistic compared to the pessimism that the republicans have been pushing with the ryan budget and cut and retrench. it encapsulates an a lot for the president. >> robert traynham is nodding his head in what i presume to be agreement. >> look, elections are all about the future. remember in 1996 when bob dole aid idr authend s absutyt' outh uture. ifouan the fur to ok li t pthr yes,he you need to re-ect president obama. here are the reasons why, the economy is still staggering along.
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the last president to win re-election with unemployment this high was roosevelt back in 1936. so if you want this future or your future to look like the past, vote for barack obama. >> if i can just jump in, i think you can spin the economic numbers right now either way. rye fact is we are in a icrengo min. nsns ianreein the'go ns vi io e ll eredent can spin it in a diffent way. the team obama is certainly trying to put things in context. in order to do that, you have to look backwards to some degree. there is a new seven-minute video that does a fairly fine job of doing that, putting into perspective what president obama came into office with. let's look at the beginning of that video. >> the worst financial collapse since the great depression. >> this is cataclysmicing. >> american workers laid off in numbers not seen in three decades. a,ouaaever wilon
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tofom do thvio is senineson itoesonolill ot accoliments that the presidt has made, legislatively while in office. we have the unveiling of the new slogan forward. a look back but emphasis towards the future. >> i think the rational mind looks at that and says here's that counter fak cannule argument about what might have been if you had a different response. and the president's response was the best under the ma ale th i sgeinth iea tt meeplin rt o mitt rnearthno okg ou for. so i tse tou meyo shou b afrai of wt the future would be under an alternative leader.
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>> that's exactly what president clinton said stumping for president obama yesterday. he says he's gotten -- speaking of president obama, he says he's got an opponent who basically wants do what they did before on steroids which will get you the same consequences you gol dog. weavso oo om tm roeyhereoi t b cunges othede coertisss d n trying to touchabortion and immigration certainly. the president and i would said republicans in state houses across the country are not doing a great job of helping him avoid those issues. >> what a surprise he's not coming out for mandatory ultrasounds weekly for women. this is what the etch a sketch debate was about. it will make his base restive and remember, about-f
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fo cpan,e ll hseevel coerti. d inba t i' pnt that the conservative economic policy which people associate with the bush years partly can be blamed for what got us to this point. reminding people he's severely conservative while being a flip-flopper is good strategy for them. >> when you talk about conservative economic policies what was amazing this weekend eric fern strom -- play what he said rto de. thro jewelthon onicues ter's pridt amas d is cae followed tt romney's advice. >> okay, rana, let me repeat that again. the only economic success that president obama has had is
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because he followed mitt romney's advice on the bailouts. which seems to be counter to the facts that exist. what's the difference between a managed bankruptcy process and basically a federal bailout of the leouin ao i erwao cnssu ngssrodobcratn. mn cplelisayed the bailout situation during the primary season. and i think again, it's going to be very hard for him to tack into the center because of where he ended up going back to the points too about the issues he's going to try and avoid, immigration will be very difficult for him to avoid. it's such a big part of the economic conversation right now. e eac ae zero in o baet
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soad f t rmnppol, y d't nttohagehe apoa at alrhh you d saying, well it can't be a problem. so there isn't a problem in how women are paid or isn't a problem in detroit. it's wrong. >> i thought it was brazen to say this is exactly what mitt romney suggested. no, managed bankruptcy is no what we did. that's reliant on the free market and it won't have saved the u.s. auto industry. i'll read r amicundtr ad e licansfjot ppts ulceetoxi. .presintba tk his cues on health care from mitt romney. what do you think of team romney trying to own the success of gm and the industry? >> i'm not sure where they're going with this. i think he misspoke.
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i think he was being disingenuous of the facts. i didn't see the entire quote. the bottom line is to go back to your original point, electionsrt invialarst t ai a t wt coih'r intoo whecse theye dfo yar oridt amanom biv valent when it comes to the economy and looking at romney and saying -- first of all, what primary. >> where the independent voters are according to the polls, they don't remember him being a severe conservative or to the right on immigration. what they remember him is someone somewhat in the middle who is a moderate and t le steoo thinpeenverhere
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stl ryuch upnhe a. t' b eabtit. u kwh'seay testghere, you sat's a choi. elections are choices. but they're not always choices. often there's referendums. when there's as incumbent, the other side wants it to be a referendum. i tell the story in the book but the whole general strategic aim from president obama, he decided this himself after the 2010 elections was to make it a choice. inth mi rnegeutthre sa this ectn a oi authefure era t sohe vind vaesf amic atil givesark obama i thk much more of a chance than he would have otherwise had had they just come out and said economy, economy, economy. >> i think what's interesting, that's a great point, david. and the word values i think has been coopted by the right for a long time now.
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it is great to see the left fighting back and saying look, values are at the core of what we think sro emo mriey ilg o trteu m ha b anhas e othe ass that is marriage --sh. >> draw an economic line. a lot of people that study this will tell you that. >> that's why she's on the show. while president obama tickles funny bones at the white house correspondents' dinner, mitt correspondents' dinner, mitt romney's campaign tries to make lenc ] guonbues yothe gr y tou-u ice 'ny.
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much as my stepfather always told me, it's a boy eat dog world out there. we've got men in tuxes, women in gowns, fine wine, first class entertainment. i was just relieved to learn this was not a gsa conference. my father was born in kenya. and i was born, of course, in hawaii. p at msiladesngom o sricsahihan th ot caisinic d u e at? >>he has t laughabout
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something these days. >> david corn. wait till wednesday, my friend. wait till wednesday. president obama, ari, remarking on berth certificate, the birther controversies. eating dog which has become its own controversy. the gsa and secret service were also hit on. too soon wle en potil mbngbat noaerna flu oth presidt. the cr svi aole issue that h not even been blamed on him for obvious reasons. he did those but didn't get into the what might be bigger eventual feshlts of his like health care or how they're dealing with the arizona case. >> he did make a joke about passing health care again in his interesting term. >> i don't think the premise of that joke was abouhinnof
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deatg teib pso pelerehkiisinad d tns o to ump. last year's cntroversies look stupid now. >> it's a way of totally neutralizing the controversy. >> i think he was building. he was building on last year's comedy bit with this year's comedy bit. that was one of the most visceral white house dinners i've ever seen because not just eviscerating donald trump but all that silliness, or yki a ben styr, hiin >> t hawa pbend heasuski o dng ttle b o aio lo the speec thise dn't have to be as pointed. you know, people still i had i
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had the memories of last year. >> just to be really superficial for a minute, what i liked about the president's joke last night or was two things. how much of a natural he is, how comfortable he is in h tth ectia t t tt upd ste wn uee thpridt n ifoal sein etr 'sslow jamming the w that became sort of a reason for the romney campaign to attack him saying the president shouldn't be seen like this. i thought it's a reminder of just how the comfortable and how well he interacts with the electorate. >> this is the harvard guy. if it wasmnf
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mn wkn rea isad eneil oitroey merry prankster de eric fern strom trying to give romney credit for the success of general motors is talking about romney and short sheeting the bed. >> one of the troopers who was assigned to his protection detail short sheeted his bed. the governor in order to turn the tables on this torm wha aior thchbe marpoib. e veor sow ttohe trpe okay. all right. say what u will, it is amazin to me that the instance of romney being deemed funny is a joke about firing people. >> what could be funnier.
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>> nothing's funnier than a chamber maid. also downtownton abbiesque. >> in fact, he once fired 10,000 people as agifrdoupai,ta mo >>ouno iasitngex toirto f "aturday night live" during the president's speech and five minutes into -- five seconds into it, i just looked at him and said can you imagine mitt romney doing is this? and he said no. >> but i'm sure he wanted to imagine it because the snnl send off of romney would be funnier than the address he mights a
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erfray >>hiki odisine, isttk sccssis vry diert thanha we'veee in ocountry'shistory. we've ways encouraged young people, take a shot, go for it. take a risk. get the education. borrow money if you have to from your parents. start a business. >> okay, robert, and look, i agree that the idea of american s, ihireneurernal spirit detainorom srtf feinth mt mn as erodha aestocapita >> come o let'not nit pick this too much. everybody borrows money from their parents. there are a lot of dotcoms in silicon valley where a lot of folks borrowed money from their parents. from my poirnts, i borrowed $10.
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i think to put it into context for someone to sit there and say, oh, mitt romney saying let's borrow money, that's not fair. i n gngtt. m tgog ithe a fe h wne tks ou naarower i'm not talking about nascar owners but his programs for student loans, the paul ryan budget. >> we're trying to paint a picture of someone elite, out of touch and very successful because of that. i am going to sit here and defend that by saying it's okay to borrow money from i an family member. regardless of whether some people have more money than others is not the point. that was an unfair statement for th10
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,0, atthe ate. uoteenecaon >> tt uotee ucio th'sanrous abouhat. >> tre's anothpoint. take a sp back and say, who is he talking about? who's out there attacking success? he's made the case again and again than barack obama system anti-success. that he doesn't understand america, he doesn't get america. he wants america to be europe? i mean ag try 'sryg pmoot xtixmth fi tatinoffeiv wwi b dcuin roey's attitudes for many weeks to come. the obama administration does a delicate dance with the chinese government over democracy and
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the president tries to balance our commitment to human rights making sure that the people throughout the world have the ability to express themselves freely and openly. hn nesso that we can continue tu scsichesdienchen gaung cheng. ron, want to read to you a little bit of a "wall street journal" op-ed which nailed this delicate dance here. the u.s. cannot turn him over to chinese control without betraying its own principles and the millions quietly cheering his escape. the government lost fear
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> onaes tan n fo dnghear no. > men wo an arage of 484 hours a week. women work 41 hours a week. men go into engineering science and math that earn more. >> this is not a math is hard conversation. women are making 77 cents on the dollar for what men are making. >> that's not true. >> let rachel make her point. >> every businessman in america would be hire only women is, save 25% and be hugely profitable. >> equal pay for equal work led to a heated discussion on w isssoe't sm b ina it n jstth sot wk stfaeng ionn t,f ur, the nional stage. e president is tking about fair pay. play a little bit of sound from him on friday. >> as long as i'm president, we're going to keep moving forward. you can count on that.
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you don't have to take my word for it. you've got my signature on it. because something like standing up for equal pay for equal work isn't something i've got to get >>he to you on, it's the first so omang sgdigr terpsotlht di a diat mt mnrereing thphe infamous phone call where the huffington post asked romney that's your position on the lily leadbetter fair act. long paws and they respond i'll get back to you on that, sam. this is something the white house is going to keep pushing. it's an actual problem in terms of the american economy, however. >> it is. a few facts. women are getting 60% of college degrees these days. working women are four out of tin are already making more than their husbands. ti ts ahain
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rerdss of athe dba i rey lor d wen typillma t st decisions, financial decisions in a household when it comes to a house or a car zmi disagree with the relevance of the way those factors are being used. that is to say we have a lot of progress. if you look at law schools and business schools, you see higher enrollment rates of women than ever before. when you look at the overall economy, women are paid less than men for similar work. >> they are. >> second as a policy matter and this is what's so important me. t the qut tqu n i wh u oha t ctthcatner ats a bed la >> ath oer yth i plinout in the bate isf you look at, we talked about earlier, the ryan budget and where the cuts are and whether they're going to hit women or men disproportion notally. if you look at single women who need help with head start, the food stamp program, all these
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things, they are going to hit women more. yet the romney campaign is out there with these false phony sticks that more women have lost jobs and i think ultimately this -- we're dproronel huinwonre ineba aduttoy. ceaiy tki pn at 're gog har for some time to come. harry reid is bringing to the floor the paycheck fairness act in the coming weeks which protects women from being retaliated against if they ask about male colleague salaries. look, i support transparency on many levels as far as the workplace. but it's crazy to me that you're going to -- anybody is going to resist so thing for a bill like this, yet, in 20 10, ae p it >> ftsha mn's bepii ba dob d me gh t tinci cris
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an cessi,men weren't actually hit harder because of the demise of manufacturing, construction, detroit, obama's done a lot obviously to correct that problem. women then disproportionately look like they're losing more jobs because they're in the areas where job growth isn't more strong. going forward, the areas that president obama would like to spend more money on, education, health care are areas where women are disproportionately misrepresented. >> mitt romney said people want th wmea 77enor evy ll a m make soee imihat working women, there are 66.2 million of them as of 2009. that's 22% of the population. >> absolutely. look, i have two comments. one, according to the latest pew poll, women dropped five points with the president from 5% to 53%. romney leads 49-42 when it comes
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to married women just as an fyi. what i also find interesting is the hypocrisy or the slight hypocrisy with the obama white ernt c t mabegs wer,ccdio ait nn thfoeromnitis reorof the white usthis place would b in court for a hostile workplace. obama white house pays women less than men, records show. this was as of march of 2011. every obama himself and i'm quoting obama himself is responsible for work atmosphere that are marginalizes and ignores women. that's in "time" magazining. >> robert. >> former economic christine romer. i feel like a piece of m prt e e lluo w it we not f barack obama, this would be a who had till workplace.
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that's the full quote. if you want to quote her, quote the full thing. she's been on in the papers explaining that it was a selected editing job on than particular quote. >> i would also say, look, i don't think that there's any excuse for all workplaces hostile toward women. we're talking about fiscal policies and a party that has every single time done nothing to address the problem of pay parity and gender equality and in many cases walked it bac huhions h trucies lgiatn at ecicly hlp women ne nohing. >> do y thinhe current republican party is doing anything to address fair pay. >> susan collins does not represent the republican party. you know the that. >> look at the facts. republicans do not control the united states senate. when republicans introduce bills, it is up to harry reid and other folks to bring it up to the floor. i'm taking issue with alex's point about doing nothing. >> do you have a bill an that
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passed? >> i'm not a united states senator. >> robert's bill. >> look, you'vepl edilni. ihiheoitdsh th rubca r h bacayloedrot ainst all attemp to make pail parity a legislative priority. >> let's talk about doing nothing. . the senate was controlled by the democrats for the last three years. let's talk about how come they haven't done anything over the last three years when it comes to women. >> we have to go 0 to break. >> filibuster. >> a bill, the same bill that will reid will introduce in the coming weeks was introduced in november of 2010 and no one in the republican party voted for t tpoci. afr e ean he neea annirsy t dthof b lan,he w stand in the
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>> even jimmy carter would have given that order. >> that was mitt romney moments ago in new hampshire commenting on the obama campaign's criticism that the former governor would not have ordered the killing of osama bin laden. it comes as the president's chief counter-terrorism adviser john brennan delivers a speech in which he outlines why american drone strikesneciovra fir,ridt t cutyir dlincll mi baer an f jninghe progm. >> su, anyouery ch. >> so on the one-year anniversary of the cale of bin laden, i wanted to talk about the threats america now faces. there's been a lot of discussion
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about whether or not al qaeda has been untangled. one of the spiders web has been untangled enough for us to breathe a sigh of relief. "the wall street journal" makes the point addressing the u.s. interests in the far east is important. the arc running fromis a btdiertar ofheor. t'tr. anyoknw,e o evyone n lades death, and the big question you tend to hear a lot, are we safer now or are they done for. and you know, al qaeda has been morphing for years into a different animal. they've flattened out their organization in part because we've had a lot of success in degrading their leadership. and they've got at times it seems a bottomless well of potential recruits. what they don't have the usually is well-trai tlind ve
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yakut t earsp. ak longe fh morpinto aitional w, fresh leadership that can ta them places. but you know, could you argue that are iraq and afghanistan in particular you know, outsize reaction to the threat in the sense that you know, shortly after spring of 2002, al qaeda and the elements involved that got us there in the first place has already dissipated. they had gone off to different areas. >> mike i want to know what you make of how the president is -- the president's national security policy ctly a ewortis"p- b per rg yteayal t esentharorin cef anmasot tatend al qaeda he overthrew gadhafi, the drone attacks in pakistan, covert warses in yemen and somalia, an increase in the troops in afghanistan and the authorized assassination of
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anwar al awlaki. a u.s. citizen. and he continues to battle this sort of public impression that he's this deliberative professor. is president obama more of a hawk than perhaps he's given -- i don't know if the word is credit but credit for? >> right, no yo brmntfi pethof tat ul stowa ihk y, h's ceaiy roomtt t foowing certn course of action than they would have ever anticipated. you have to give him credit. you mentioned the drone campaign. that's been a very up critical part of this global war on terror. going into somalia, dealing with high value targets in yemen, again, kinds of goes back to that point we were talking about in terms of how al qaeda has dissipated moved off to different areas. so you have to where possible, e ito isatn llg ay s,hise'gongo do
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>>ao unck atie of, wt he aintrio isilngo do. dad corn, youav a book that details a lot of the decision making behind the killing of bin lad laden. tell us more about that and the credit that the president is due and or how reflective the decision making process is of his administration and his ethic. >> well, my chapter on bin laden is my favorite chap per. i think it's a great episode in presidential decision making. you used the word deliberative. i would also say decisive. i'll give ra bore geheorr fda rng. atha meetin uto then,ci analysts told hi we have a 60 to 80% certainty that the guy there is bin laden. mike knows how this works. they took a red team exercise, that is they gave the same intelligence to a bunch of analyst who's who hadn't looked at it before and they said we
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think 40 to 60. here it is going in the wrong direction at that meeting, bob gates and joe biden both say don't do it, we need more time to get better intelligence. there was not a majority of people in the room whohhao tein so t pesenacay sa, st, 's aay i be 50/50. i made aromise if we had a chance, if it was a good enough opportunity, i would take it. he acted decisively knowing most importantly his presidency was on the line. can you imagine what would have happened to his presidency had he failed? >> but what's interesting today is that this has become sort of a very heated political debate whether the white house is being too long opportunistic about this. ed gil pes me saying the press cionasn watesa
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inhe00pridenti bas. >> tnkheolicfin lanavebe aound sce he taeds d before. you had president clinton target him. you had the attack and a republican national convention held in new york with great, great fanfare around both the attack which was a terrible trauma for all of us as well as the response and the leadership of president bush. i remember sitting at the very end of the kerry campaign with two days to go and seeing bin laden back. i thought what's going on. oinoer a l e ndatspde w e igifree ineaofeblans in miin bn den of fefo politics, you ha a president who actually caught him saying this is something relevant i did. you might want to factor there into your vote. you're damn right. >> it's worth noting that rudy giuliani is going to be taking to the stump with mitt romney tomorrow on the official anniversary of bin laden's death. mike, thanks so much for joining
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us. coming up, new word that occupy wall street is planning worldwide may day an marches tomorrow. details next on what now. raglisforrede am e gh orbila licsndoingus sthae tter om thebama campaign and romney support irvin webber. plus, former defense secretary william cohen is here on the first talking about the first anniversary of the raid on bin laden's headquarters and also the great escape in china. the latest reporting from chinese activists. we'll see new 15 minutes. getsburn d atte..
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clshz. welcome back. time for what now. may day is not observed as an official holiday here in the united states but occupy wall street protesters are still planning to make a day of it tomorrow. ari, they are attempting to
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bring 125 u.s. cities to a n ssdstill toti's > . ihi icod wk. thlabi natiol o s tulybo miatn 06 .oer days he gone more quietly passed by. here you've got the political topical interests they're going to do this and the conventions and we're going to see whether they get another food hold. >> what i find interesting is right after the times did a front page story about apple making billions of dollars and not paying taxes on it, it's interesting quite frankly these protesters, these citizen erreh, rit? ts a gdtet,to beusth g a t atntion ckn e fll when
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th came t. they were new and then winter sort of drove them out of the camps and a lot of the protests became about the protests rather than let's do something about the top 1%. now they need to figure out how to move forward and we'll see if this works tomorrow. >> 's >>yves gh,'mve rpi ry thvio wco back css 202. >>hen i'onth m fe, i n't nt look band regretand wish that iad trd harder here or i was more disciplined here or had extended myself and done something a little out of my comfort zone. >> i think he might want to regret cut tag rap video. >> glad he has a day job. >> don't give up the day job. >> jeremy lin, we love you, await your appearance on this
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program but maybe e lce. >> i cair meritus. w wcoavg sme who tsowba tnk again to robert, ari, raa and david. i'll see you back here tomorrow at noon eastern/9:00 a.m. pacific when i'm joined by the jonathan good night and joe ann reid. till then, finds us at facebook.com. andrea mitchell is next. happy monday morning to you. >> hi there coming up next, the leor in diplomatic crisis ot.dfga prenng fra? and the dbate over osama bin laden. plus a new human rights campaign to combat bullying in our schools. kerry kennedy and gloria ruben will join to us explain.
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