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good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington. leading off tonight, bin laden is dead, gm is alive. how do you likeou fu'son eny. th sit uai t ai i a viorut meer gege. aingcros that aircraft carrier? remember that large mission accomplished banner? remember giuliani repeating one thing after another that included a noun, a verb and the trays 2011. remember all the hoogt and hollering about the great decider who took us into the sands of iraq. maybe the reason his rivals don't like him marking his success over bin laden was because they had eight years to ofha cinnmond ney
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carubof o hi stig tnmbt a the ex we fudraising wh the big do -- that's bill clinton -- warning that mitt romney would take us back to failed economic policies on steroids. this could be the beginning of a beautiful friendship. plus, dirty, angry money. tonight we begin our series on the hundreds of millions of dollars being poured into this election without any accountability. money that's destroyed without naming the candidaterdboathe coesndtsdier tuay gh wh yrabidtea wa ho he usedhe dinner for his campaign to needle. the romney campaign is now trying to take credit for saving detroit. you can check on that. up-down logic is in the side
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show where it belongs. we begin with outrage of president presideobama and the f bin laden. the author of "showdow fbo ambc analts i es tzh i ao tt comeo mind, david corn. the republicans say, you shouldn't take credit for what you did a year ago. we wouldn't do something like that. your thoughts, david. >> you know from reading the book, chris, that chapter 10 is all about the decision to launch the raid, and i have to say that whole episode is a test case in presidential decision making. and for mitt romney to come out there and say, of course, i would do that, anybody would do that shows -- he has to read the o ser of course, but he doesn't ve dfiltecioagns thdveofis top id.
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u owhe srery of defense b gates and vice president joebiden both advised that barack obama not launch the aid until there was more definitive intelligence. most of his advisers actually were not in favor of the raid. they either wanted a missile strike or something else or not do anything. so it wasn't a slam dunk no-brainer, and for mitt romney to suggest that it was indicates that maybe he doesn't understand the job. >> what does he know? waskabt da t'lien tohe rubca caide. ♪ you would have given the order, governor? >> well, of course. even jimmy carter would have given that order. >> you know, i don't know. sometimes ron reagan, i have to restrain myself from the words i want to use now, and i will restrain myself, because for him to mock jimmy carter on this
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front. you can argue about jimmy carter, anything you lipts th dertnd se tseme we at a tremendous risk and a tremendous risk to the president politically. it did not make him look good that he tried that. and for this guy -- i will not use the obvious words that come to mind here -- to mock that, he was chuckling when he said it. who is this guy? is he a grown-up? >> it's hard to know. it was an odd comment to make, and it reminds everybody, at the very least, that jimmy carter made a gutsy call that didn't spoke t whe b lenilng o t tae. eyou le ke xith bacoba n' evenenonhe ft th he,
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not the republicans in eight years, but he in his first term actually got bin laden. in a weird way, it's the same kind of thing that's happened to mitt romney under other circumstances. his signal accomplishment as governor of massachusetts, his health care plan e can't mention it. they would like to mention it so obama can't mention his ignature bin laden yby tcng thkns tat pesen.,if headaut the guy blowing up the world trade center, cheney would be up there on a scaffolding trying to carve w.'s face in it in the middle of the night. last night the campaign released a video featuring bill clinton talking about the raid and its success. the video contrasted with what
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romney has said in the past on this topic. let's watch it. it's good. >> the downt nn i odonience noing. took thearder and more honorable path. >> it's not worth moving heaven and earth, spending billions of dollars just trying to catch on person. he was referring to the hunt for osama bin laden. what did he mean by that, beuse it's generated a little controversy given osama bin laden's ro in lling, what, 3,000 americans on 9/11. >> he had to decide. and that's what you hire the president to do. >>vi nerea wf itr ttusbeor iteayororme i n'know autou gus. >>e don't hear the music do here, but, you know, the point president clinton makes is sort
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of dead on here. this whole episode showed obama being both deliberative and decisi decisive, and it was a hard call because he didn't have everybody on his side. before he made the decision on a friday morning before the sunday raid, the cia came and told him, you know, we told you , dngtd . tea woing the wrong reion. as everybody knows that if this had gone badly as it did for jimmy carter, barack obama's presidency would probably, in all likelieihoolikelihood, be o. he's putting his own presidency on the line. for mitt romney and republicans to diminish the nature of this call shows again they don't quite understand what it takes to be president. >> not all the people criticizing obama for taking credit for this.
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and democrats in this campaign are doing it.shba a imisnghemo seem 11 aheiing ofsainad byurng in cheap politicalatck. well, i do respect mccain, but here's a pr flakery comment. this is pure partisan flackery by one of the people during the day just spewing partisan nonsense. here he is. >> this is one of the reasons president obama has become one of the most divisive presidents in american t ifngve fll amics,omhi mt rmney ngtutehianth liryndhe analysts and our government in terms of completing the mission for killing osama bin laden, and he's managed to turn it into a divisive, partisan, political attack that former defense
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secretary frank carlucci for president reagan called sad, it was called shameful. i think they will see it as a sign of a desperate campaign. >> sometimes we have to put on another point of view even if it's nonsense. i think most people are very proud of this country not because iyo g he op kle ouo cotrby trostttck meathecivilians, you have to do something about it to end it, to make the statement, the moral statement, this must not be done again. we finally did that under this president. and then to go around and say, there's something wrong with taking credit for that, it baffles me. oh, well. go ahead, ron. >> i was just going to say you know why they're doing it, and, you know, i just don't think -- they lose because it's reminding everybody, too, of what obamatou
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si politicizing this, cheney came out saying obama cares more about terrorists than americans. if it was all about democrats, you'll be hit again by terrorists. so they've been politicizing this for decades, and turning the act of terrorism into a political matter? it doesn't pass thef st potil ss ok at tisd fm0 h elti cmpgnhoe meio9/11 qte ll here. let's watch this ad.
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well, that wasn't political, was it? anyway, here's vice president cheney trying to scare americans ai that same year.rn wn'lica t'wah ts e fm en. is sote eseia at twesr day, vembernd we make the right choice. if we make a wrong choice, the danger is that we'll get hit again, and we'll be hit in a way that will be devastating for the united states. >> the guy made the wrong choice. scooter libby was covering for this guy and taking the hit for him so he could skitter away free. if they had done the job they wouldn't have to go through thesere the
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9/ fv a ain d en whad econhh ulha bn e y issue, they were demagogued. president cheney continued to do that throughout the obama presidency. if they want to talk about terrorism, if they want to talk about what's best to be done, and of course, as you know, chris, in the beginning of the bush years, they said, no, no, no, the real problem is saddam hussein. they did that to try to cover up that past. >> just to pounce ochinits,ev u, nesi t gts a t crice ofur svimeor political in nerdo is. there he is with his mission accomplished banner up on that carrier. we didn't catch him in the flight suit there. that was an earlier portrait he gave us that day. but i tell you, this is
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politics, and there he is using our sailors. anyway, thank you, ron reagan, for joining us and making it clear that both sides take credit for victory. there's nothing wrong with that -- there he is in his costume. i mean, unbelievable. there's the ro an, anyo r. thk u, vi cn. >> othiswedneay,rian williams takes on inside the situation room for the first time in television history following the killing of bin laden. coming up, the obama-clinton alliance. this is rich politics which i love. this is what i love about politics. when you get together for common goals, bury the hatchet, do the right thing and win elections. let's get into it. why this relationship is so important for both of these two guys here. this is "hardball." it's real milk full of calcium and vitamin d. and tastes simply delicious.
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msnbc political analyst mark penn. he was the chief strategist of hillary clinton's 2008 presidential campaign. i always look to you, governor rendell, for anything to do with the clintons. you are their guy. you're close. it's a relationship. it's not transactional, it's for life. so here's the question. is this a good marriage? will it last through november, which is all that matters? >> absolutely, yeah. it'srein e e ulanth a t tuspoci wod adisasr. d ao a real respect for president obama and how he's handled president clinton. they have a mutual respect and admiration and even general friendship. i think president clinton has been enormously impressed with that. i think this is all out, 100%,
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n not leaving anything out on the table. >> i'd like you to got. s enead molicly a asto oma ihi sote. i mean,th president has given hillary clinton the ability to go out there and create a persona for herself, and she's done a great job with the american people, love what hillary clinton has done, and i think president clinton is very appreciative of the way president obama is handling it. >>tran sth deloitr huan
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omhayohe- t tke th. shshld he enhe lomouth, if you will senator from nw york, being the lightning rod. she could like ted kennedy was all those years. but she chose to join the team and become the major personality beside the president, and it's made her grow as a global figure. i've never seen that. >> i always thought that was ao toe e resutaef magi o gbalaon e'do mnice jobs we all knew she would. >> here's my question about the politics, because it also allows her -- again, i'm just trying to anticipate what you're going to say, governor. she's allowed to be not necessarily to the right or left of the president, but she can be in a strong forward position whereas if she were senator from new york, the national politics
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of new york would have her most of the time on the left of the h >> no thk u' sote rit. yorebsuty gh ve h tbity tdo extlytht. the qstion is does she wtto run again? i hope for one that she does. i'm ready to be the co-chair with hildebrand, but i don't know if she wants to right now. if clinton gets to step down and get a little rest, i think she'll think about 2016 ly aishecltonet ecd? think i's ea disn
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the psintecset gives him a second vp out there. you need really strong, great surrogates and he and president clinton can go out to ohio, kentucky and talk about health care. all the things he specializedb caai. i dot inker de asmt cion wit cnt, but obama just did >> i'm thinking of northwestern penn, those difficult areas to reach for a moderate democrat where bill seems to have an appeal to working white people. i'm not knocking anybody else, but just normally he has such a great appeal with working class whites that that has to help in those states. >> no question about wa wld
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es btt healor d. ihihe bkeho plesin iondend is clinton's ability to raise money for fundraising. >> i want to know this question. is it better for hillary clinton if she runs for president for obama to get reelected? i want a yes or no. is it better for hillary clinton if she -- n inffe ab foeht wchsisrill fful or ist harder t run agnsan inmbent tt romney?
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>> you want the open seat. you don't want to run against any incumbent. >> absolutely. i think the governor has it absolutely right. >> so it's a positive for both sides. let's look at some of the -- out of time. you guys are great. you guys are really good, guys. precdhet the president to get ti. e' pbayetimelte thsendte. >>up next, mitt romy famously wrote a bit "let detroit go bankrupt." how is he going to walk away from that? now they're trying to make him the success of the auto bailout. they're trying to spin it around yoatarey can't
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onisisat jn ehr' me in ohio. ti thebackgrnd, a bridge in nd of repair. here's the president today. >> over the last year, i sent congress a whole series of jobs bills to put people to work, to put your members back to work. time after time, the republicans had gotten together and they said no. i went to the speaker's hometown, stood under a bridge that was crumbling. mayb'tie d ss ut as the e ids twn ntky ahihe somof the ke republican leadership come from, where folks are having to do detours an extra hour, hour and a half drive every day. >> they have to keep talking jobs. mitch mcconnell is against everything. finally, much of president obama's pitch for reelection hinges, of course, on the success of the auto industry
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bailout, saving gm and chrysler from going under. get this, eric furstrom, one ofy ar aic om tt mn. isasnturday mitt romney wrote to the "new york times" when george bush was still president. he said, look, if you want to save the auto industry, don't just write checks. they need to go through a managed bankruptcy process. they went through the managed bankruptcy process. it's exactly what mitt romney told them to do. so consider that, the crown jewel, the only economic success president obama has had is because he followed mitt romney's advice. >> it looks like a support atasdo t thcacoans ck onh et s ty tkret f
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omaaai risoue athe rnecaaign has ised, t the superpac crossroads dwarfed what priorities u.s. took in. and that's only part of the story. when you combine it with its sister, the non-profit arm, they eresed an astounding veer klei wte a perl coum he amsnbc contributor.
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i read your column the other day. let me just read from your column because i think it makes a point no one else has thought about. it's about the influence of superpacs on the local congressional race. just as youth is wasted on the young, money is wasted on the rich. money yo obotma. towan pplo u ow th atrg onithr reesentaven congss or on his or her challanger? do you even have a strong opinion on your representative? that's the kind of low information race where money can have a big impact. how you can scare congress into a crooked little breaker
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thetwo cdite ifheo,he d't ceh e ay. vorsaren't du. ishe a lot o mney there? if a candidate has a lot of money and a superpac comes in and dumps another million bucks, then the candidate just spends another million bucks. in the presidential race, people know the candidates and both candidates have a lot of money. if congress when you're dealing with, in the third district in arizona, when people danhan'ha loofon,nd teyan co iat endf ea kehear dngndust spdi .2milion. that be beg enough to flip an entire race. number two, it can mean senators on the hill are more afraid of
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superpacs. you can imagine a superpac run by hedge fund managers who don't want to lose the tax break and they let them get taxed at 5% instead ofar't foow 'ses nto t lfin atin tub. at' bouhr, wh terarehese esoteric votes that only the people who benefit know about it. now you have the tremendous cannon you can bring in and make the guy, good government guy or woman, who really tries to go the right way says, wait a minute. do i really want to lose my congressional seat on this wrinkle in the tax law when no one gives me credit for it and they're just going to gun me down for agog
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coreiol surpsco t leltheawn t pridtial? e swer, en fr t people raising the money for the superpacs is, no, because the president takes so much air out of the room. it's not as sexy of a race and we're getting our feet wet here for congressional superpacs. it does have the bigger impact, but i think it's goingadpawn i flidth's bki us. corema cniem. it tak o her opponent for
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being too cozy with president obama. let's watch it. >> president obama said no to the keystone xl pipene. that's saying noo lower gas prices, no to more jobs, no to greater energyur heha a s msa of anngp r acan prosperity. say no to bill nelson and choose connie mack. connie mack is responsible for this advertising. >> i love the sort of grainy pictures they show in these ads with that grim, forbidding voice. i wish everybody would just pray to themselves, i will not be influenced by any ad that shows black and white pictures that ends up being sort of a
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suerven esad thwo,on ey th work the funn thabout esads, too, and this is their up side. they are issue ards. one thing about negative ads, they tend to have more issue content in studies than non-negative. nevertheless, the key point there was right at the end, paid for by freedom pack. who is freedom pack? what dzeaiioen tn b core cas l sin eyavtoisoswhis fuin th we could va a sin id for by freedom pack, but they block that bill. >> i'm afraid for november, what could happen in october where one of these guys could go out there and spend a zillion
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dollars and turn an election, which i think is going to be close between president obama and mitt romney, turn it by a point or so with huge spending of money totally negative on wee rnhvors m n se i'soio wk t 's mein haveo do thanksoroming on, chris. thank you so much. by the way, i'll be at brown university tomorrow night at providence. i'll be talking about "jack kennedy," my book, but i'll be focusing on the cuban missile crisis. o wwaed t ing hi oef th d.
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disgusting idea -- yuck. >> you choose to get into the subject, how do you get into it. i don't see how anyone wins big or losnt tr to bte ou n. >>o outsbo tate, if htr btt you, n, that's allhe time we have for that one, when we return, why i wouldn't bet on the republicans that want to deny president obama of the credit of killing osama bin laden. re goes o
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let me finish tonight with this. i understand why some of the president's critics are going after him after his successful mission against bin laden. the republican party champions the civil war in this country and took credit for it for generations. they went together like a horse and car rage. general grant was elected president because he was the best president in the war. republicans do it, so why can't a democratic president do it.
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if george w. bush had gotten him, he would still be shooting con fety out of cannons, don't you think? history and the voters know the difference between success and sour grapes. true victory by the man in the are than in a a cheer from the cheap seats. if was it was that easy, everybody knows that w. would have done it and danced himself silly in the end zone, and dick cheney would have done cart wheels. thanks for being with us, "politicsnation" starts now. >> welcome to "politicsnation," i'm al sharpton, tonight's lead, the gop's winner take all mentality. from the winning, wi argue mitt romney has had trouble seconding with average americans, but speaker