friends and staffers and his wife and daughters. the president's statement, how politically risky is it? will same-sex marriage be on the platform? probably. does it galvanize social conservatives? does it alienate are religious supporters? americans are divided but what kind of intensity is in that divide? and while the president may not have planned for all of this, it did come on the eve of his gala fund-raiser with george clooney. can you imagine if he hadn't said anything before going to this fund-raiser issue. good morning from washington. it's thursday, may 10th, 2012. this is the daily rundown. let's get right to my reads. president obama shifted the issue landscape of the 2012 campaign and maybe beyond. >> i think same-sex couples should be able to get married.

>> in an interview with abc, the president called his personal support for gay marriage the completion of a long evolution and credited his wife and two daughters for his change of heart. >> there have been times where michelle and i have been sitting around the dinner table and we've been talking about their friends and their parents and malia and sasha would -- it wouldn't dawn on them that somehow their friends' parents would be treated differently and, frankly, that's the kind of thing that prompts a change of perspective. >> you know, the president's decision marks the end of what has been a long public struggle. it started in 1996. illinois state senate candidate barack obama, he supported gay marriage on a questionnaire. he reversed course by the time he was a candidate for the u.s. senate in 2004 and by that time

he was citing his religious convictions. >> we have a set of traditions in place that i think need to be preserved. >> in his 2006 book, audacity of hope, right before he started running for president, then senator obama openly wondered if he was going to be seen some day as behind the times writing, quote, in years hence i may be seen as so the one on the wrong side of history. 2010 he made it clear his views shifted but not completely when he said this. >> my feelings about this are constantly ee vovolving. the president told staffers a few months ago that his views had changed and he wanted to tell the country and wanted to do so before the democratic convention but aides admit that vice president's comments on

sunday on "meet the press" expedited that conversation. >> i had already made the decision that we were going to take this position before the election and before the convention. it probably got out a little earlier but out of generosity of spirit. would i have preferred to do this in my own way without being a lot of notice to people, of course. >> it's now give and then marriage equality will be a plank. gay right advocates were excited about the president's decision. president heads west to seattle and then los angeles for the clooney fund-raiser. it's expected to raise $15 million. half of it from big donors but half from the contest to, quote, hang out with the president and clooney. the politics, frankly, are

pretty unclear. it's an historic moment but the president also made clear in his interview that support for same-sex marriage is a personal view and it's not like the white house is going to work to advance marriage equality at the federal level. >> i continue to believe that this is an issue that is going to be worked out at the local level because historically this has not been a federal issue. it's important to recognize that folks many are not coming out of it at a mean-spirited perspective. >> the president's announcement came only a day after a major presidential battleground, north carolina, became the 30th state to constitutionally ban gay marriage. all seven of msnbc's battleground states have passed battle initiatives banning same-sex marriage, one of which was ohio.

some argue that the initiative drove up turnout. five states potentially will have it with referendum pending. minnesota is on the referendum. romney stated his opposition to same-sex marriage and there was not a lot of intensity in that opposition yesterday. >> my view is that marriage itself is a relationship between a man and a woman and that's my own preference. i know people have different views. this is a very tender and sensitive topic as are many social issues. >> speaker boehner saying that republicans are focused on the economy. republicans worked quicker to attack the president on political grounds and ideological grounds. american crossroads said that barack obama has evolved on definition of gay marriage. what else is he going to evolve

on? do conservatives need the gay issue to motivate the base? >> if you were against it, you were against barack obama. given so many other -- you are for barack obama. it has an impact, first of all, and there will be people mo embolden to speak out. >> >> i think mitt romney today was handed the key to not only solidifying support among social conservatives but yobd that to a socially oriented voters across party lines. >> and though he agreed with frank that this may not move

votes, it could get people to the polls. >> i would say that most of those that support marriage were probably already in the romney category. i think this has raised the heat in the intensity level of those who will be supporting mitt romney. >> meanwhile, the obama campaign is now trying to use the issue to tarnish romney among independents. the campaign is out with a video pointing out that he supports a federal constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage and the obama fos believe that that position is more tenable with the president's decision. some might argue that adds up to a bad day for the president. mitt romney, on the other hand, tried to stay focussed on the economy. >> i don't think there's any question that a lot of middle-class families are really feeling a squeeze. they are feeling that things are

really tough. a lot of folks are employed in jobs beneath their skill level and that they may lose a job. people are not happy about obamacare. they don't want to see it in place. people recognize that the president's policies are just not working to bring the kind of change that they hope to see. >> joining me now is ed gillespie, former counselor, good morning. >> good morning. good to be with you. >> let me start with gay marriage. i felt like there was an incontinues tense tea to mitt romney's -- >> you felt there was what? >> not an intensity. >> his position is clear. he believes marriage should be between a man and a woman. that was president obama's decision until 24 hours ago and now this is a bright line difference in this campaign. chuck, this is going to be a decision in november where there are big differences between the two nominees for the presidency, the incumbent president and

governor romney, and government san sanction of same-sex marriage, whether we should go forward with the job killing mandate and job killing bill and continue to press to raise tax. so there is going to be a lot of differences. >> you guys campaigned on this issue of marriage? >> sure. i think it's important for people and ingenders strong feelings on both sides. how we talk about our differences, the fact is, that's a significant difference in november. >> you know, former rnc chairman someone who is for gay marriage, richard gunnell, some people say that he was upset because he was an advocate of gay marriage. do you feel this is a good issue for mitt romney to be campaigning on? >> well, i believe that it's an

issue if you look at the balance, chuck, for example, in the swing state of north carolina. pretty divisive where the voters are. if you look at other states where referendum is held, i don't believe gay marriage as being sanctioned by a state is passed on a referendum. so in terms of the public voting pattern on this, you know, it's one that in the past has shown itself to be the opposition to gay marriage that has prevailed. >> so he will actively push for a constitutional amendment? >> his view is that, given the nature of states sanctioning gay marriage and the full faith and credit clause, federal marriage amendment should be enacted. but i think the truth is, when you look at this election, chuck, i think most people are focused on jobs and the economy and the cost of energy and the

health care, the impact of the obamacare bill. i'm not diminishing that it's not an important issue but the most important issue that you have that voters are talking about. >> the clarity here is that the president has for the state to decide and mitt romney is not? >> when it comes to marriage. >> they are reversed when it comes to what they want the federal government to -- >> well, sides of the same-sex marriage as of yesterday. >> i want to get to you react to rick santorum's endorsement and move on here. some would describe it as intrepid. here's what he said to jay leno. >> i have concerns and voiced things that are important to us if we were going to be successful that he would take it and run with it and i felt comfortable after that meeting and over the weekend i worked on it and we decided to put it out tonight so it would be the first thing that people would see this morning. >> did you feel it was a tepid

endorsement or do you feel as if he's 100% are ready to go to work? >> no. i think rick santorum is totally supportive of governor romney. there was all of this speculation after the primary which was a heavily contested primary. republicans are as strongly if not more strongly behind governor romney as -- >> prominent speaking spot at the convention? >> i don't know about the convention. look, rick santorum made a very strong race. think he surprised a lot of people. not necessarily me. i've known him for a while and the fact is i know how vigorous a campaigner he is and -- >> sew might not have a role at the convention or -- >> yeah. those decisions aren't made, chuck. we don't have our convention -- as program director for the convention for president bush when he was governor bush in 2000, august 27 convention. i shut up on the job -- the first week of june.

>> okay. we'll give you a couple more weeks on that. let me ask you about a bloomberg story about how many of the economic advisers on team romney come from the bush administration. as you know, as unpopular as the economy is right now and you guys are making it unpopular and certainly not a lot of popularity for obama's economic policies out there, same is true for bush's economic policies. what is it -- will mitt romney have a different economic policy than president bush or given all of the advisers that he has that come from the bush white house, is it going to be a lot more similar to folks? >> well, as you know, as in any presidential campaign or white house, you tend to draw heavily, especially when it's a two-term presidency, president obama's white house, despite having contested the nomination with hillary clinton, that's kind of the nature of where people draw from. governor romney has an ex ting

view that is rooted in his history. he advised people where to make investments and see what is going on in the economy and make the right bets and i think that's one of the trades that he brings here and his economic advisers will reinforce that. >> you feel like he's got a break from bush, he's got to say, look, my economic policies are going to be different because i know you didn't like his either. >> chuck, the most important break is from president obama. people don't like his economic policies and governor romney would repeal obamacare and make sure people don't keep the health insurance that they like, which now up to 20 million people will lose despite president obama saying, that wouldn't happen. health insurance premiums are rising. he said that wouldn't happen. we would allow for greater energy exploration, allow for the keystone pipeline to go forward. the differences in november are

between governor romney's pro growth economic policies that will create more jobs and bring rising incomes to the american people which have declined by $4,000 versus president obama's policies which are resulting in fewer jobs and declining family incomes. >> i want to ask you a story in this morning's washington post. it's a profile of mitt romney's days in boarding school. there's a portrait of an incident, of a bullying incident that a young mitt romney was involved in, some interviews with some of his former students. i just want to get your reaction to the story. do you feel the portrait was fair and, number two, is the incident troubling to you? >> governor romney doesn't remember that at all. it was in high school. i suppose if there was an investigative team that went through my high school yearbook, they could find some incidents that i don't remember that if i did remember i might not like

but the fact is, when people who know governor romney and know him and his family know that he is a caring, compassionate person. that has been evidenced in his career. and like i said -- >> he doesn't remember the insurance sdme incident? >> no. that's clear from the story. >> do you find it troubling? >> i'm not challenging it. i don't know enough about it. it's a story about pranks in high school and that kind of thi thing. like i said, if someone went back to my high school, i'm sure they could turn up things that i don't remember and even if i did, i would not like that i had done that. >> thank you for coming on this morning. got a lot more to come. governor terry brandstead. we'll be right back.

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although president obama says he supports same-sex marriage, he says it's up to each state to decide what to do. in iowa, same-sex marriage is already legal but there are efforts to change that. joining me now is republican governor of iowa, governor, good morning. >> good morning. >> i know that you were campaigning and you were against this legalization effort in the state of iowa. are you trying to actively repeal that law? >> actually, i was elected governor on the issue of restoring jobs and restoring fiscal responsibility. and i find it pandering to the hollywood money crowd instead of

focusing on what is important to america, which is reducing this massive federal debt that's gone up more than a trillion dollars and then the job killing obamacare which we can't afford and it's not sustainable and all of the other regulations that he's put on. my focus is on bringing jobs to iowa, revitalizing our economy. i and many other governors elected in 2010 are doing that in our states. the president of the united states has got the country going in the wrong direction and keeps trying to change the subject instead of focusing on what the american people want. that is jobs and reducing the tax burden. >> speaking of changing the subject, my question was, are you -- >> he's not talking about that -- >> are you actively trying to repeal the law? >> yes. it's not a law. it was a court decision made against the law in the state of iowa. i signed the defense of marriage law. our supreme court struck it down. three members of the court were voted out because the voters of

iowa were upset that the court did this and now the iowa house of representatives has passed the constitutional amendment to give the people a chance to vote on this. i support that. unfortunately, the democratically-controlled senate majority leader would not let that come to a vote. even though the votes were there in the senate to pass it. now we're going to work to get a republican majority in the senate so the people of iowa will have a chance to vote on this issue. but iowans care more about jobs. i'm going to continue to focus on jobs. and let me say, we also have the state's financial house in order. we're now spending less than we're taking in and we have a sustainable budget. that's what the federal government needs to do. otherwise we'll be light greece. we cannot afford four more years of this. we'll be in the worst financial condition than greece and europe. that's not the direction we need

to go. president obama knows that his economic policies are a terrible failure. >> when you look at what is going on with the economy now, though, the president on his watch has made up for the 4 1/2 million jobs lost as part of the recession. it's back to even and if you look at the state of iowa, and the question comes to this mixed message that comes out. you and other republican governors in the midwest are talking about job gains and everybody wants to take credit when it happens on their watch. >> that's right. well, look at the policies. >> and the president gets no credit for this? >> look at the policies. compare iowa and indiana and illinois. illinois's unemployment rate is high. they've got a huge deficit. the state's in dire straits whereas iowa, wisconsin, michigan, indiana are all going in the right direction and republican governors have reduced taxes and reduced regulatory burdens.

that's the kind of leadership we need in the white house, just like the republican governor that are revitalizing the economy of their states. we've seen what mitch daniels did in indiana. all of the other governors are doing the same thing and we want an impact. we want a president on our side instead of working against us and attacking the very people that we need to create the private sector economy. >> where would your state budget be without federal stimulus. >> well, without federal stimulus, that's what got us in trouble. they use this one-time money for ongoing expenses. that's the $900 million mess that i inherited. we passed a budget that spent less than we take in and using ongoing revenue to pay for ongoing expenses. we have a president with no experience in the private sector. he's driving the country in the

wrong direction. that's why we new leadership. he keeps changing the subject because he wants to raise money from his rich hollywood liberal friends. i tell you what, we in the heartland of america want a leader that will focus on the things important to us, creating jobs, revitalizing this economy, getting this national debt under control. >> governor terry branstad, i've got to leave it there right in the heart of the presidential bat dellground. all right. coming up, vice virtues. how the man they say is at the top of romney's short list could affect the ticket. plus, we're going to talk about wisconsin. first, which u.s. senator roomed with a major league baseball commissioner by the name of bud selig when they were in college? tweet me the answer. the correct answer gets a shoutout. more is coming up on "the daily rundown." [ male announcer ] if you stash tissues

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well, on wednesday we told you about the messy recall of scott brown and the battle to replace a four-term senator hasn't been challenged since his election in 1988. now that he's decided to call it quits, republicans see an opportunity. four major candidates are in the running. former congressman ron newman and a local businessman and former wisconsin governor and bush administration secretary tommy thompson. newman and thompson appear locked in a three-man contest to take on the sole major democratic tammy baldwin. he says he is the best choice to face baldwin. >> right now the polls that i've seen, i'm the only one that

beats her. >> after spending 14 years in the governor's mansion, he hasn't been on a ballot since 1988 and in a primary he's likely to be cast in the role of incumbent. that hasn't gone so well. what's more, the conservative club for growth fresh off of indiana senator lugar. >> tommy thompson has been a politician since way back in 1966. but do you know his record? when it comes to obamacare, there is this. >> governor schwarzenegger and michael bloomberg came out in support of tommy thompson. >> tommy thompson, not what we need in the u.s. senate. >> he's hoping to benefit from a three-way race that he ends up taking on and becoming the alternative along with mark newman. now, this all shakes up well for

congresswoman baldwin. remember, thompson, newman will have to fight it out for another four months before voters go to the polls. baldwin is already outraising more than the two of them. in 1998, congresswoman balanced baldwin became the first openly gay as a nonincumbent. if she ends up facing mark newman, gay rights could become an issue. back in 1997, newman said the gay and lesbian lifestyle is not accepted and would never hire a gay person for fear that they would try to promote their agenda. the president's announcement was personally gratifying. she says these are values i

share and that we all share and that i take pride in the president's recognition today comes not just at a deeply personal level but also because he has done the right thing for so many people. i am pleased that the president has today joined a growing number of people across the country moving forward on the issue of marriage equality and equal opportunity for all americans. joining me now is wisconsin democratic congresswoman and front-runner for the democratic nomination tammy baldwin. good morning. >> good morning. it's great to join you. >> i want to ask you about the president's announcement yesterday. and the difference between the symbolic nature of the announcement and the president making it clear that this was a symbolic endorsement and they didn't plan on proactively getting the federal government involved in the marriage issue. >> you know, i was really moved when i watched the interview with the president. i thought it was a very heartfelt statement that the president issued about his own

personal journey and i think it's a journey shared by so many americans as they grapple with this issue. i applaud the president and i think it was a very important statement yesterday. >> do you find that this -- that your sexual orientation comes up on the campaign trail? you got elected in madison a. very liberal community. you're now running statewide. do you find it coming up as you've traveled the state? >> chuck, i can tell you it almost never comes up because people are squarely focused on jobs and bolstering our middle class in wisconsin and that's my focus can. and i know that when voters go to the polls in november, that's going to be number one on their mind. >> i want to get to your race here in a second but one more question on gay marriage. what can be done on the federal level by a presidential administration that right now the president doesn't seem like he's ready to do? >> you know, this president has

actually shown bold leadership on this issue starting many, many, many months ago when he said that he has come to the conclusion that after lots of study that the defense of marriage act is unconstitutional. and he showed leadership with the attorney general, the department of justice in terms of what his administration is going to do when the defense of marriage act is challenged. but, really, the role of defining marriage has fallen to the states that has always been with the states. so. >> should it be? i know it always has been. >> absolutely. >> should it be? we have had 50 different laws on finding this marriage. >> let me go to the state of politics in wisconsin, if you will. i imagine it's pretty hard to be a u.s. senate candidate and to get much attention given all of the focus on the recall election. what -- what kind of fallout do

you expect to impact your senate race from this no matter what happens? >> well, i can tell you that wisconsinites are engaged like i've never seen them before. this is grassroots movement that you've seen starting last year and a collection of a million signatures. it's really phenomenal. that one in every four adults and have decided to participate and throughout the year people are certainly focused right now on the june 5th recall and elected tom barrett as our next governor. and part of the economy getting back on track, working people and that's what they will find with me. >> when is somebody going to find a time-out on the tox sissy

in wisconsin? it feels like this recall is going to be a 59-41 race no matter what happens and is that really going to have decided anything? you're going to have 49% feeling dissatisfied about the result and do you worry that's going to contribute to what is a more polarized climate already? >> you know, what i think we're seeing right now in our state is a race between the incumbent who is a divider and tom barrett who is there to unite the state and that's why a million people at the grassroots level signed petitions to recall the gm governors. they want to bring the state back together. i think we're seeing engagement like we've never seen before. what we've seen happen in our state in the last year and a half goes against fairness and progress and really what we want to see is our economy back on track, hardworking families given a fair shake in our state

and our country. that's what these elections are going to be about. >> very quickly, do you worry that there's going to be a cycle of recall, if you will, in wisconsin politics where it seems every six months someone is getting recalled? >> you know, i think that this chapter will be closed after this summer. this was a very rare occurrence but also one that sprung up from the grass roots. i don't think you can replicate that on a routine basis. this was wisconsinites and that's what you saw unfolding in wisconsin. the circumstances won't present themselves, i hope, again for a long, long time. >> all right. tommy baldwin, democratic candidate for wisconsin, thanks for coming on this morning. >> thank you, chuck. our political panel will be here next. what a day in american politics

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same section sex marriage has been the change in the subject. general rear rubin and time magazine, michael sheer. jennifer, let me start with you, the conservative columnist. both ed gillespie on this show and -- if t is as if the republicans say, we don't want to talk about gay marriage. here's my position but i don't want to have the conversation

about it. why? >> that is the talking point of the day, isn't it? repeated at nauseam. there was a knowing social conservative, but he choose because he was going over northern virginia to concentrate on the bread and butter issue and the romney campaign from the get-go, they have really refused almost bizarrely sometimes to get knocked off the events. they want to talk about the economy and the debt. >> michael, it seems as if the big gamble on the republican side is making sure if you're mitt romney, you don't want rush limbaugh to go off today. >> that's true. >> you don't want somebody on the outside defining the fight for you in a way you don't want the fight to go. >> right. and the natural attack that they should be making against the president is this clearly him

following the polls and doing what is most safe for him. a candidate goes to michigan one month and two month later. >> i think they made this argument about politics. it insulateds romney from the flip-flop charge because the president now has his own problem. >> you know, there are people making tweets but they are not making it in a big concerted way. they don't want this to be about character and political expediency. >> perry, obviously the question that has been nagging at some in the white house is that this is somehow turning off african-american voters whose religious convictions don't have them there on gay marriage. >> we did this story in north carolina where people said i oppose gay marriage but i'm going to vote for the president any way. i think the big challenge for obama in terms of ohio and more

cultural conservative white voters. that's where older voters, particularly those over 65, where gay marriage is really significant. black leaders are going to be with the president no matter what, is what i believe. >> mitt romney is talked about in high school. we always have this debate, michael, which is, what is the -- how far back do you go? what's fair game in high school has always been this line. what's fair game here? and it -- you can almost see the washington post almost struggle with it, too, in how they wrote the story.story. initial response from romney campaign is i don't remember. that seems an odd response. >> i think the rule for these stories is it doesn't matter unless it tells you -- reflects in some way on the current guy. we had this with george allen in virginia, high school and college. it mattered -- >> it fed into a stereotype. >> this story, there's nothing

in mitt romney's record over the last 20, 30 years that says he's a bully in any way. if anything in this story that rings true to what he is now, enforcing a prep code here, he's a privileged son of the governor acting like the privileged son of a governor. it could feed into that story line. >> in fact talked about whatever behavioral issues he may have had he seemed to become a different guy after college. >> look, listen, no one, as mike says, thinks we're talking about a bully here. moreover, i think the average person looking at this, average parent with high school kids, average guy walking down the street says oh, gosh, i hope they don't go back to my high school. the average voter says this is beyond consideration. >> i agree with her on this case. i don't think it really matters for average voters. >> when we come back the story that got overshadowed we would have been talking about, dick

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