get to work. >> i'm not familiar precisely what i said but i stand by what i said whatever it was. >> mitt romney doesn't remember contributing to the climate of racism that simmers beneath the surface of the republican party. a plan to use reverend wright to smear the president is exposed. >> i want to make it very clear, i repudiate that effort. >> the national press secretary for the obama campaign is here to respond. the politics with msnbc's richard wolffe and sam stein of the "huffington post." the choice in november, obama economics or romney economics. >> this selection will create a stark and fundamental contrast. a choice between two different economic philosophies. >> paul krugman on the two different paths for our economy. jpmorgan's loss could be way bigger than expected. senate candidate elizabeth warren has harsh words for the bank, here tonight.

in wisconsin, scott walker is doing funny math with the job numbers. >> it is literally a 57,000 plus increase from where my opponents are claiming the numbers were last year. >> reporter: democratic recall challenger, tom barrett is here. >> thanks for watching. in an attempt to inject race into the presidential campaign like never before was exposed today in the "new york times" times in all its pa ethic desperate ugly detail, an organized hit detail to achieve the lowest form of character assassination against president obama. it's called the defeat of barack hussein obama, the rickets plan to end his spending for good. we'll get to joe ricketts in just a moment. this was going to be a $10 million advertising blitz funded by his super pac. the plan would bring back jeremiah wright the reverend in

a big way. the world is about to see jeremiah wright and understand his influence on barack obama. our plan is to do what john mccain would not let us do. the 54 proposal for a five minute video would portray wright's black liberation theology, proposal and anticipated charges of race-baiting, suggested hiring an extremely literate conservative african-american as a spokesperson who can argue mr. obama misled the nation by presenting himself as a metrosexual black abe lincoln. give me a break. the proposal also suggested listing a group of black business leaders to endorse the effort. this morgan, mitt romney said he hadn't heard anything about it. once his campaign got their act together, he said this. >> as i read the article, i want to make it very clear i repudiate that effort. i think it's the wrong course for a pac or campaign.

i hope our campaigns can respectively be about the future and issues and about a vision for america. i've been disappointed on the president's campaign to date, which is focused on character assassination. i think we're wiser to talk about the issues of the day. >> really? back in february on sean hannity's radio show, romney had no problem bringing up reverend wright. >> i'm not sure which is worse, him listening to reverend wright or saying we must be a less christian nation. >> at his press today, romney was asked about those comments. here's what he had to say. >> i'm not familiar precisely what i said but i stand by what i said whatever it was. i'll go back and take a look at what i said there. >> certainly is refreshing, doesn't know what he said but whatever he said, he stands behind it. vice president joe biden was

asked about the sleazy plan on the campaign trail today. >> guys like that so misunderstand the state of the nation. they act like it's 1942. i think the public is so so far beyond that. then i heard, getting out of the car, looks like they're not going to do that now? there's certain things that are so more rally clear and straight and straight lines about it. it almost doesn't warrant a comment. >> white house spokesman jay carney also weighed in on the issue today. >> to launch a multimillion dollar divisive attack campaign is not what the american people want. i think there are moments you have to stand up and say that's not the right way to go. >> joe ricketts is the founder of td ameritrade and his family owns the chicago cubs. once the story broke the social

media went into action in this country, mr. ricketts was tripping all over himself to denounce it. he put out a statement through his super pac saying he was quote neither the author or thunder of the so-called ricketts plan to defeat mr. obama. it reflects an approach to politics mr. ricketts rejects. ricketts can't hide from the truth. the hit job was based on the idea that john mccain had missed an opportunity to attack barack obama with an ad about reverend wright in 2008. the proposal opened with a quote from mr. ricketts. if the nation had seen that ad, they'd never have elected barack obama. you know who wants this story? sean hannity wants this story. where has reverend wright been for the last 3 1/2 years? have you seen him in the news? has he been doing any protests or testified on capitol hill? has he injected himself into the political process in this country?

was he around when barack obama saved the automobile industry or signed off on the stimulus pag or so many other good things when it came to health care. where was reverend write when it happened? he wasn't anywhere to be found. this is low rent and sleasy and just like romney. i think romney is lying when he says he doesn't know anything about it. i wonder how often mr. romney has had dinner with mr. rickets or talked on the phone? you mean to tell me romney went on sean hannity's radio show and brought up reverend wright and happens to distance himself today? i don't buy it. the good thing, this will rile up the liberal base in this country, to go out and attack their guy, once again being attacked with sleaze. get your cell phones out, i want to know what you think. are republicans getting desperate to bring up jeremiah wright again? text a for yes and b for no. we'll bring you the results later on in the know. here's what we have.

mitt romney says he read it and doesn't have anything to do with it. he repudiates that an everything. does the obama camp believe that? joining me tonight is the national press secretary for the obama campaign. good to have you tonight. >> thanks for having me. >> mr. wright has not been in the news the last 3 1/2 years. can you tell our audience, how much contact has reverend wright had with the president of the united states since he took the oath of office? >> you know, they haven't had any. president obama was clear that mr. right's views didn't reflect the president's views. this required moral leadership on mitt romney's part to stand up to the extreme voices in his party. once again, he didn't rise to the occasion. one of the things he tried to do today is equate this hateful attack with a simple discussion of governor romney's economic record we had in this campaign.

we've seen this from romney before. he didn't stand up to one of the symbolic heads of the republican party, rush limbaugh when he made those hateful comments against sandra fluke. we've been clear whether supporter of the president or person that used this rhetoric, and romney didn't stand up. >> he said he repudiated this style of campaign. do you believe him? >> he was asked later in the day about his comments earlier in the year about reverend wright you played not too long ago. he said he stood behind them. time and time again, he had the opportunity to stand up to the extreme voices in his party. that's something the president of the united states has to do. just this week in virginia, we saw the legislature reject a judge, a very well qualified judge just because of their sexual orientation. governor mcdonnell spoke out but mitt romney didn't. >> he said this is character

assassination. >> the purpose of the president's ad is not to suggest success or failure but that i'm not a good person or good guy. having a campaign based on character assassination is one of the things i find offensive among many others among the pac description in the "new york times." if that's accurate, that's something i repudiate. >> i would have to say the description we're hearing from the employees of gts mitt romney is not a good guy, pretty heartless, what is your response to that being character assassination. >> mitt romney has put forward as his lead qualification to run for the president of the united states his tenure as a corporate buyout specialist and says that represents his economic record. we did what he asked and looked at the economic record. >> it's not character

assassination -- >> it's his economic record and he profited off bankrupting companies and outsourcing jobs. is that what the american people want to see in of the val office. >> back to the reverend wright issue? have we heard the last of reverend wright? or do we expect it to be invoked. tv ads, billboards, and a plane flying over the democratic national convention? are we going to hear more about reverend wright? >> i think the american people absolutely rejected this hateful attack when it surfaced today, whether democratic or republican or independent. senator mccain spoke out against these sorts of attacks in 2008, made clear this is off-limits for his campaign, his communication director -- >> is it race-baiting? >> he wouldn't have made these sorts of ads.

>> is it race-baiting? they wanted a conservative black man to, the spokesperson. larry elder is the guy mentioned in the report. is this race-baiting? >> think there's no question it's directed to the most extreme elements of the republican party and romney had an obligation to speak out against those voices. >> yes or no, it is race-baiting? >> here's the question i would ask, whether romney will speak out against those extreme voices or whether he will lead and stand up to that faction of the party or whether he will actively court those extreme voices in order to win the presidency. >> sure seems like race baiting to me. ben, thanks for your time. remember to answer tonight's question and share your thoughts on twitter and "the ed show." it's the right wing's latest effort to play the race card. next, we take a closer look at the man behind the $10 million hit job he's now distancing himself from.

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welcome back to "the ed show." the republican right wing is holding the party hostage. they made it their mission for years to question this president's character and question his patronage and paint him as other. what the new republican party is all about. proving this is a 54 page proposal called "the defeat of barack hussein obama" presented this week to the super pac, presented by right wing activist, joe ricketts, the founder of td americatrade. his family owns the chicago cubs and members swiftly went into damage control. joe ricketts son, cubs' chairman, john ricketts said i repudiate any return to racially divisive issues in this year's

presidential campaign or any setting like my father has. meanwhile, daughter laura ricketts, an lbg activist and obama bundler said she will continue to do all i can to help get president obama re-elected. the timing couldn't be worse for the obama family. they are currently in negotiations with former chief of staff rahm emanuel to work on wrigley field. that's right. they are hoping the taxpayers will pony up to the bar. emanuel is absolutely livid over joe ricketts' attack ads and refused to speak to the family. >> you can have disagreements without being disagreeable. if that's the nature, america is too great a future for the

content they're talking about. it's insulting for the president and the country. >> let's turn to msnbc analyst richard wolffe and politicist reporter, sam stein. the plan, is this the real deal or a fake, what do you think? >> a plan if not done by ricketts, done by someone else. does prove you don't have to be smart to be rich. he's getting shaken down here. this is a stupid plan not because it's offensive but because this president is known by the american people. they can disagree with him but not discovering him for the first time, not like we never talked about jeremiah wright. this goes after the president on terrorism. this happens to be his strongest card, the president that ordered the hit on osama bin laden and they still think they can order the whole playbook? i'm not surprised mitt romney tied himself in a pretzel over this. and republicans have propagated this stu the last three years, the logical result of three years of politics from sean

hannity. >> who do you think put it together? >> we know fred davis put it together. this is not an out of mainstream political consultant, has wacky ideas but perfectly representative in terms of other candidates. >> and what was said on the sean hannity show not too long ago invoking reverend wright's name. do you think romney made a good case distancing himself from this plan? >> he started to but then fumbled a bit when asked about the hannity comments and says he stands by them but doesn't remember what they were. confusing at the least. it's a big giant waste of money and diverts from what they want to be talking about, the economy. $10 million attacking obama on reverend wright will move the dials very little and in some say that's all that was needed to win john mccain the election.

obama is a known quantity and people may not like his policies but like him as a person. it would do very little political damage. mitt romney tries to distance himself. he tried to but when asked why he brought up reverend right himself, he fumbled it. >> is it race-baiting? >> i understand people say it's race-baiting and not. my understanding, it's bad politics. gutter politics. fred davis and ad man is trying to get his hands on $10 million to make some money. lowest denomination politics. >> what about the obama response? pretty swift, they got after it. >> when you're a nominee on the

other side, although a presumptive one, he doesn't get to duck away from these kinds of things as primaries. he could say it was the super pac. that was his position. i haven't read the papers yet. >> that plane flight turned everything around. >> someone finally delivered him a "new york times." >> he got some altitude and figured it out. >> can't figure out the english language, right? i don't know what i said but i stand behind it. he versus himself in the space of a sentence. as a candidate you have to make calls and they managed to bounce him in a way he tried to back out of, as he said it. >> r jeremiah wright versus mormonism. does this take us down the road of faith and beliefs of a leader that could be leading this country? what do you think?

if they're going the jeremiah route, what about the liberals in this country really going after mormonism and what it's about. >> you heard the report from the "new york times." i sense that won't happen primarily because the obama campaign likes to have a tight message. they had all the money democrats are donating sent through their campaign and allowing the pac get tightened, they have a tight message they don't veer off and said mormonism is not something they touch. we have to wait and see, this, remember, is six months before the election. there is going to be someone out there who still believes bringing up reverend wright is the right thing to do. they will fund that ad and remains to be seen what people do in response. economist paul krugman says, we can end our economic crisis

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autoworkers now is not the time to elect a vulture capitalist like mitt romney. >> it's not their job to create jobs, it's their job to create wealth for the investors. that's true. if it creates jobs in the process, good. if it costs all the jobs in the process, okay. it's to make sure their investors get a return on their investment. that's not the job of a president of the united states of america. >> want a good example of what vice president biden is saying, take a look at the fortune 500. the 500 largest companies announced record profits in 2011 despite the sluggish economy. someone should ask these companies where are the jobs? the number of jobless claims in the united states went unchanged last week at 370,000. so much for the wealth trickling down. meanwhile, mitt romney is still saying the president spends too

much money. >> the president, instead of cutting back on spending, has grown spending. instead of getting america to a balanced budget, yes, that was the other promise, he was going to cut that huge deficit. >> that is not true to say president obama has grown spending. government spending has actually decreased since the president took office in 2009, which might be a big part of the problem. that's right. new york columnist paul krugman published this chart today. it shows this year's growth for major advanced economies around the world, japan is the top performer mostly due to increased spending after the devastating tsunami. i'm joined tonight by princeton university economics professor, paul krugman, winner of the nobel prize in economics and author of the new book, "end this depression now." mr. krugman, good to have you on "the ed show." thanks so much. what is the remedy for the economy as you see it right now?

>> first and foremost, we need more, not less government for the time being. we can talk about cutbacks later on, when you're in a depression, what we're in, when you're in a state where the economy is way below capacity and the biggest problem is not enough job us out there, now is the time for the government to be spending more and adding to public investment not slashing it, a time to be hiring more schoolteachers, not laying them off. that's the answer. actually amazingly simple. we could if we would only do the right thing we'd be out of this faster than anyone can imagine, we'd end this depression, not now but maybe in a year and a half, two years. >> why do you call it a depression. seems all sectors of the economy are steady right now just not having the growth, are we wrong? >> a recession is when things are going down. a depression is when things are down. we call the "great depression," a period of more than a decade,

there was a recession at the beginning, a partial recovery and another recession and another partial recovery. unemployment was high, times were hard the whole way through. that's what we're living in right now. we've been technically officially in recovery almost three years now. it doesn't feel very good, does it? 13 million people out of work, almost 4 million americans out of work more than a year. this is a very depressed economy, a depression. the fact we're not actually plunging at the mont, we're growing a little bit should not be cause for satisfaction, this is an intolerable situation especially because it would be so easy to fix. >> you think public sector jobs could help stimulate the economy. we have fewer public sector jobs under the obama administration than the previous administration. i notice a chart on your book shows what happens without public sector jobs.

state and local government jobs should have grown with the population. instead, they've been cut. how do we reverse this when republicans have said it so be it when it comes to public sector job loss. >> the first thing, a possibility, not the most likely outcome. imagine president obama is re-elected and democrats actually not only hold the senate, but retake the house, which is still a possibility, not the most likely outcome but could happen. they can do it and get a chance for a do-over and provide aid to state and local governments to hire school teachers. the typical public employee is a schoolteacher. you're thinking about government bureaucrat, you're actually talking schoolteachers. if you can't do that, the president needto hammer on it and say the reason this economy is not doing better is because those people are blocking the job creation measures i have.

i know what to do, economists know what to do, just those guys over there are standing in the way. >> mitt romney keeps hammering president obama over the national debt. you show how our current debt is not at a crisis level compared to other countries at other points in history. is romney -- >> that's right. >> what about that? >> so romney is acting -- talks about big numbers. the numbers are big. everything about america is big. we're a big rich country. i don't like the level of debt. i wish we hadn't had those roughly $3 trillion of unfunded tax cuts and wars bush did and left us with higher debt than we would have had. compared to britain and the 20th century, not that bad. compared to japan, it's trivial. lots of things wrong with japan, they can borrowed a an incredibly low interest still. the idea we are in a debt

crisis, that's a figment of the imagination. worth mentioning romney's own plans would increase the deficit, not reduce it. >> we should be aware and somewhat scared of the austerity measures across the globe, what i'm taking? >> gosh. we've done a massive unethical human experiment in europe. people said slash government spending, good things will happen, confidence will grow and grow the economy. and unemployment among 20% and youth of 50% and collapse of the political system in spain and greece. and we've seen what it leads to in europe and the answer is it leads to catastrophe. >> paul krugman, great to have you on "the ed show." thanks so much. >> it will be an all out war between now and the election day. tens of millions of dollars will have been spent in this contest. >> national republicans are dead

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the bank's losses may grow by at least another billion dollars. jpmorgan has no reason to change its ways. the bank will earn $4 billion in the second quarter. jpmorgan is big enough to bring down the entire economy. lawmakers like house financial services committee chairman spencer baucus says now is not the time to prevent risky bets. >> no law can do that nor should a law attempt to prohibit a company from taking risk. in fact, that's an impossibility. >> mitt romney also says jpmorgan should be able to gamble with deposits backed by the federal government. >> this was not a loss to the taxpayers of america. >> right. >> this was a loss to shareholders and owners of jpmorgan and that's the way america works. i would not rush to pass new legislation or new regulation. this is, in the normal course of business, a large loss, but

surely not one, which is crippling or threatening to the institution. >> of course, the dodd-frank law was supposed to prevent risky betting but bank lobbyists put a stop to it. it was tied up in legislative tape and lobbyists turned into a 530 page monstrosity, according to the "new york times." one of the leading advocates is senate candidate elizabeth warren. she isn't just focusing on the volcker rule, wants congress to go back to the original law intended to stop candidates from gambling with our money. i'm calling on congress to put wall street reform back on the agenda and begin by passing a new act. >> i'm joined by elizabeth warren, harvard law school professor and massachusetts senatorial candidate. good to have you with us on "the ed show" tonight. there is so much conversation in

america about our financial situation, cutting to the chase about your statement, is the act really the remedy for wall street we're seeing right now. >> let's put it this way. it's the first step toward making banking boring. that's really the key because it separates commercial banking, savings accounts and checking accounts, that sort of thing, from the trading and risk taking that occurs on wall street. the notion is both of those are fine activities but they ought to be separated from each other in order to reduce the risk to the american taxpayer. >> where are we right now, professor, as far as a real risk to our economy if this system continues to stay in place. if you look at what mitt romney has said as of late, he says jpmorgan's loss is quote a normal course of business, and the way america works. there are two seriously different philosophies how wall

street should be handled between republicans and democrats. your thoughts on his comments, your response? >> actually, let's go back to what he was saying before this crisis, this latest version of the crisis unfolded. remember, mitt romney is the one who said if he gets to be president of the united states, he will lead the charge on the first day to repeal all of the financial regulations. this plays directly into the hands of what the largest financial institutions are doing and jpmorgan chase is the latest example. that is they didn't learn from the crash. what they learned was to keep pushing congress to keep lobbying, to keep trying to weaken the laws and weaken the oversight while they load up on the risk. i'll tell you, i think people are really getting tired of this. i pushed for a new version of glass stigall. right now, i'm working with the progressive change campaign

committee, i'll get that right. p triple c. the p triple c has been out there circulating a letter. we have more than 75,000 people who of a signed up and said enough of this. >> last night on this program, senator bernie sanders, independent from vermont, told us that the banks run the senate. the -- the banks run the congress. is it politically feasible or a bridge too far to think we're ever going to get to a point where we're going to be able to separate the commercial banks from the investment banks? >> i look at it this way. it race true. washington is a town -- it's true. washington is a town where money talks and the financial institutions have plenty of money to spread around and they have hired an army of lobbyists. the american people have gotten wise to the game. they now see what's happening.

i think there's a real push back and a real push to say, enough of this, we're not doing this anymore. >> is this a focal point of your campaign. is this a focal point of your campaign? >> very much. this is very much a part of the campaign. i'll tell you why. as i see this ultimately, it's a real question, whose side do you stand on here? back during the financial reforms when they were being debated in 2010, scott brown, my republican opponent, is the one who held the deciding vote on the financial regulations. do you know what he traded the deciding vote for? to weaken the volcker rule and take $19 billion in costs and shift them from the biggest financial institutions to the taxpayers. it's no wonder he was named one of wall street's favorite senators. they're getting a real return on investment from that kind of payment. >> he made that move and

commitment no doubt but his campaign right now seems to be focusing on one issue, claims about your heritage. your response to that. >> right. >> you know, i think it's clear that scott brown and the republican party would rather talk about anything than the real issues going on in this country. they don't want to talk about how the financial regulations have not been adequate to keep banks like jpmorgan chase from loading up on risk. they don't want to talk about the votes last week, to double the interest rate on student loans. they don't want to talk about how america's families are getting hammered. they don't want to talk about how it's not a level playing field. they want to find something else to talk about. >> professor elizabeth warn, good to have you on "the ed show." thank you so much. >> facebook going public tomorrow. we have the status update on eduardo savin and his attempt to

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what's in your wallet? here's your invoice. it will be an all out war between now and election day. i think governor walker is well-positioned to win. the question is how much. the bigger the impact. >> the bigger the impact? karl rove and the republican party know how important the re-election day is. they have only 18 days to round up votes. and to send scott walker packing. he set out a new set of job numbers that set a spin on job numbers. earlier raw data showed a 23,000 job gain in his first year as governor. on the very same day, he released this highly produced television commercial. >> i have some bad news for tom barrett but good news for

wisconsin. the government just released the final job numbers. as it turns out, wisconsin actually gained, that's right, gained more than 20,000 new jobs during my first year in office. add the jobs created this year and the total grows to over 30,000. >> walker cooked the books, is that what he's doing? the job numbers? released a new commercial, did a national tv interview and had karl rove back him up all in the same day. think they're coordinated? face it, folks, republicans are in this to win it. democrats need to get it together and fight back. walker is flat out lying about the numbers. today, the bureau of labor statistics released wisconsin's april job numbers. walker's policies lost another 6200 private sector jobs last morning, the second straight month of private sector jobs and pushes walker's job loss total to over 30,000 for this term. who's telling the truth? let's turn to milwaukee mayor, tom barrett, democratic

candidate for governor in wisconsin. good to have you with us tonight. more bad news for wisconsin. 6200 jobs lost in april. answer to what walker is saying in that commercial. he says he has a positive jobs record. >> he's cooking the books, ed, no question. these are figures he dreamt up 30 days before this election. for decades, this state like every other state, the media have used the bureau of labor statistics. and scott walker knows he cannot defend his record. they lost more jobs in 2011 than any job in this entire country. he is desperately trying to do anything he can 18 days before this election to change the subject and come up with these new numbers he knows can't even be verified until after the election. >> so he basically went on television and lied about his jobs record, is that right? >> he doesn't have any interest at all in having the media follow this, because he's

pouring tens of thousands of dollars into paid media, where the money is going, outside wisconsin, where the money is coming from. he doesn't care what the editorial and newspaper writers say because he's putting so much behind this in commercials. you nailed it. he produced that commercial. that commercial came out about five hours after i saw the headline where he talked about these jobs. five hours. this wasn't coordinated, you have to be dreaming to think this was not coordinated. >> what numbers is he using? >> he described them accurately. there's no way we can verify them and he doesn't have any interest in having anybody verify them. he wants to throw them out there and put advertising behind them to muddy up the waters, what he's trying to do. >> the republican governor's association is all in, pac money is floating in, karl rove is pushing hard, you know what's happening here.

how will you fight back? a lot of conversation about the dnc. are you getting the support you need to win this? >> just today the dnc and democratic party of wisconsin issued a release together and starting to work much more closely together, a great, great sign. we will have the chair, debbie wasserman-schultz will be in the state next week, we're pleased with that. we want this to be a grassroots effort and want people to go to our website and want this to be a grassroots effort and we welcome the support for the dnc, just as the republican support. >> the democratic support in wisconsin was $500,000. do you need that? do you need the dnc to write the check? >> i can tell you this, scott walker has raised over $25 million. we have raised maybe a million and a half dollars. we are being heavily outspent. of course, we need the resources.

we welcome the resources. we know at the end of the day, scott walker can have all the money in the world but we will have the ground game to get our voters out and what we need to focus on these last 18 days? 39% of union families are voting for walker, that's what a survey said, do you believe that? >> i don't believe it. i saw a video that said he wanted to divide and conquer the state and sends shockwaves through private sector unions. i'm hearing from a lot more people in private sectors coming to my website and a lot more private sector unions signing up because they see what will happen to them. >> good to have you with us tonight. ezra klein next filling in for rachel maddow. >> thank you very much. thank you for sticking around the next hour. rachel has a well-deserved night off. it is common for republicans to laud reagan. what is not common is with hillary clinton and obama in