zimmerman's bond, based on the fact that he may have misled. zimmerman and his wife may have misled the court about how much money they actually had in their accounts. it turns out that zimmer marn had at least 135,000 in a pay pal account that was attached to his website where he was raising money for his defense. but he told the court and his wife did, too, that they were basically broke. on friday, state prosecutors presented evidence telephone conversations between zimmerman and his wife, while he was still in jail here. in which they discussed money and their bank accounts. the state says they were talking in code. hiding the amounts of money they actually had. the judge was not happy about that. and he said that zimmerman benefitted from the fact that he had a lower bond. $150,000, when in fact the family had more money. attorneys for trayvon martin's family say this is the best evidence yet that george zimmerman cannot be trusted either with his talking about his finances or talking about what happened the night trayvon

martin was shot and killed. >> alex? >> that's been the discussion about bringing his credibility into question here. all right, charles hadlock, we're keeping an eye on things, when there's some activity you can let us know. this is joanne reed here on set with me, managing editor of t thegrio.com. let's talk about whats when he comes in. he'll have to have another bond hearing now? >> george zimmerman's lawyer can request and has indicated he probably will request another bond hearing at which he'd have to go back and talk about his finances. he'd have to answer for the discrepancy between what he and shelly zimmerman, his wife said between the april 20 hearing and the truth about how much money they have. >> what does this do? the issue of credibility comes up. how long-term can this, can the reaction be because of this? >> well here's the pro be for george zimmerman. he will almost certainly have to testify at trial. he's the only person who really knows what happened between himself and trayvon martin. trayvon martin is deceased.

everyone else in the case, all the witnesses are ear witnesses or partial eye witnesses. there isn't anyone so far that we know of that saw the whole thing. his credibility is key because the jury is essentially going dove do rely on, do you believe george zimmerman when he says that this is the way it happened between him and trayvon martin. if his credibility is impeached, even by something like this, it's a problem for him. >> both the prosecution and defense are fighting the media's efforts to get more of the documentation, more of the facts, more of the evidence released. what is behind that? i mean given that we have one man who can tell his side of the story, i mean you can see why we're all clamoring to get more details. >> if you go back to the bond hearing. marco marck o'mara was trying t all the information possible. he didn't get the theory of the prosecution's case, all he got was what they gave him at the hearing. he wanted to know at that time wanted to know what they have.

failing to get that, he would like to wait. he doesn't want this to be sensationalized by the time next year this goes to trial. on the prosecution's side, they want to keep holding their cards. they managed to get through the bond hearing without playing out their entire case and they'd like to keep that going. >> i wonder if george zimmerman is going to try to sneak in. if he can. he exited the first time in the cover of night. that's not going to be the case this time. >> he won't be able to. literally, there are cameras, nbc news is at every location he could possibly be at. >> the chopper shot as well. >> i think he will be seen. that's the other thing, if your client is on trial for murder, you don't want to see him doing the perp walk. none of those images are good because of a potential jury. >> joanne reed, thank you so much. the battle over the economy spilled on to the sunday morning talk shows. just days after the may jobs report showed an uptick in the unemployment rate, now to 8.2%. president obama's team is blaming a do-nothing congress. >> the proposals that we've put forward that have been sitting there for nine months,

independent estimates have put those proposals at a million jobs. so there are a million jobs sitting on that table in congress right now that they could move on. they need to get off their hands and stop rooting for failure. >> at the same time, mitt romney's campaign adviser says the blame lies squarely on the president. >> what we really have here is a deficit in leadership. and this president came into office without any prior experience running anything. he never even ran a corner store. and i think it shows in the way that he's handling the economy. >> meanwhile, two days until the wisconsin recall election and a final push from both sides today. republican governor scott walker and milwaukee mayor, tom barrett both visited the same campaign stop near green bay today. yesterday both sides spoke out. >> we want to make sure that we don't let up until 8:00 on tuesday, june 5. even though the polls show that to use a good green bay analogy. i want to spike the ball and get into the end zone. and the best way for to us do

that is to campaign hard through tuesday. >> people want to have a governor who is going to focus on wisconsin. i have no desire to become the rock star of the far right. and i'm going to focus on wisconsin. >> in massachusetts, a new poll is out in an already-contentious senate race between democrat elizabeth warren and republican u.s. senator scott brown. "the boston globe" poll shows an essential dead heat. controversy over warren's disputed claim over her native american heritage has not changed the race with the majority of voters saying it doesn't affect their vote. for perspective i'm joined by jackie kucinich and david nakamora. david, before i get to the jobs numbers, you write today about the president being in chicago in his own home for a night. did you get a sense that even for a short time in that short of a time. he gets a break for 24 hours being at home? >> not a long break, alex. but-day get a sense that it probably is refreshing for the president, he pushed for it.

this trip to:00 was for fundraisers. it was long planned. it didn't get him away from politics completely, obviously, but it got him back on a someday that the bad job numbers came out friday, back to his support system, his chicago network. mayor emanuel was there to meet him. the next day, saturday, was beautiful in chicago. he walked down the street to a friend's house. you know, i think it probably helps ground him a little bit. remind him why he got into it in the first place, maybe gets his head out of washington for a little bit, i think it was probably valuable. >> jackie, let's go to the jobs numbers, how is the white house framing them? any sense that they have found a best line of approach here? >> well we heard stephanie kotter say this morning that they're increasing jobs in things like manufacturing and laying the rest of the blame on congress for not acting on the bills.

since congress isn't do a lot of things, we're almost at the end of the session here. it doesn't look like, nothing is going to really happen there. so you know, whether that works or not, i don't know. blaming congress in the past, congress is never popular. they're usually an easy target. >> david, does the white house think it has a solid narrative on the jobs numbers? wasn't this level of jobs creation or lack thereof somewhat unexpected? >> it was. i think the white house was really hoping to see better numbers. obviously i think they expected better numbers, as did economists. this is bad for their narrative. from the start even when you saw the uptick in numbers, the white house continued to say look at the long-term, the 27 months where we've had increases in private-sector jobs and that's what they're trying to focus on. maybe get away from the month-to-month numbers, but go with the longer narrative. i don't know that that's going to work if this continues to be a slump into the summer. >> the romney camp seizing upon the latest numbers. have they offered any new, definitive solutions to the problem? >> well, romney, romney's plan

has a lot to do with tax cuts. a bunch of different tax cuts for a bunch of different income brackets. they haven't really explained how they're going to pay for these yet in any detailed way. i expect that they're going to have to as the campaign goes on. whether it's, whether it's something that's definitely going to work or not, it depends on who you ask. i mean this morning there's a debate on whether he had a plan at all. and that's one that you, his camp obviously says that they do and points to these, these tax cuts. the other side says well no, paul krugman you heard saying this morning that there's no "there" there. so again the summer i think we're going to see more details on both sides come out. >> let's switch gears to wisconsin right now with you, david. how much does the white house want to see gop governor scott walker recalled? or do they not believe this particular state election has much natural bearing? >> i think they'll always be looking at the swing state elections a sign, a signal about voter turn-out and enthusiasm.

the president endorsed walker's opponent, tom barrett and you heard the obama campaign at the time say look we're going to be focused on voter education so they know about where the polling places are. i don't know what the obama campaign wants to get too close in case walker emerges as victorious that would link the campaign to a losing effort. they don't want that. but they're keeping a close eye and would love it if the democrat were to emerge there. >> jackie, do you get a sense if scott walker stays in power that the romney camp things this will swing to them this november? >> i don't think that they're, i mean they're going to see a little bit of that. but i don't think they're going to push that narrative. because right now the president is polling ahead of romney in wisconsin. and he's polling even with scott walker. so there might be some scott walker voters who actually like obama. they don't want to alienate the gray area of that diagram basically. i think that you're not, i mean wisconsin also doesn't have, is well we low the national unemployment rate.

they're around 6.8, 6.7%. so there's a lot of the variables that could affect what happens in november here. other than the recall. >> okay, jackie kucinich, david kna nakamura. an epic tribute now under way on london's river thames, nbc's anna belle roberts is live in london where the festivities are certainly under way this day. it's just the start of things, isn't it? we've got a lot yet to come. >> we have, alex but today was perhaps the biggest day in terms of popular participation. it was an extraordinary mixture of the modern monarchy and history. the idea was prince charles' to hold a water-born river pageant to celebrate his mother's 60 years on the throne. he was harking back some 350

years, when river pageants were held at great royal events and this most certainly was that. 1,000 boats on the rafer thames today, ranging from small row boats and kayak does great big paddle steamers and everything in between. the queen herself traveled on a especially-decorated barge along with her members of her closest members of her family. her husband, prince phillip, her son, prince charles, camilla and prince william and his wife, kate. 10,000 flowers were used to decorate that beautiful barge and other members of her family were on other boats. also in the flotilla was an extraordinary water-borne belfry, especially designed for the occasion. standing here that was the first we knew that the occasion was under way. the idea to be that to demonstrate britain's maritime history. small boats that took part of the rescue mission during the second world war, to rescue

soldiers from the normandy beaches. >> they reflect on history of the british republic. thank you very much, we'll see you again thames-side. joining me to assess the size and scope of this event, nbc news's british historian, dr. andrew roberts. it's so nice to see you again. >> nice to be back. >> as we talk about the significance of england, put this into context for me. both for england as well as the world, when you think of 60 years for this monarch. >> this sin credible for us. it's only the second time in 1,000 years that we've had a diamond jubilee. and only three other monarchs around the world have ever had diamond jubilees. so this is a really important historical event for us. but it's also of course, a chance to look back to 60 amazing years of this wonderful woman who has never put a step wrong. never embarrassed us. always made us proud. and it's something that is incredibly moving. >> you can't help but notice that all of the family members

are in attendance here. something that i thought was interesting about today, you had not only the queen, but prince charles and princes william and harry all traveling in the same area. correct? >> because of terrorist dangers and other considerations, they're never actually all travel together on the same plane for example or in the same train or car. so this is the first time that's ever happened, three generations in the same place at the same time. >> i love, you talk about the fact this is only the third time that any world monarch has had this kind of a tribute in the sort of longevity during the queen's reign. but you look at the history of britain and in fact, a flotilla like this, these thousands-some boats that would have happened way back when, correct? like with king charles or -- >> king charles ii, 350 years ago, yes. but some of the boats have incredible resonances for us. your commentator just pointed out about the dunkirk boat, it was dunkirk where the british

army was saved from total destruction in 1940 at the hands of hitler by these tiny little boats that went out and crossed the english channel at tremendous danger and threat to themselves. >> it's extraordinary. how do you think the queen perceives this? she seems to be a woman as you've described, who has never put a foot out of place totally in step. she gets the significance, doesn't she? >> she's a woman who is completely compounded of duty. the sense of duty, she said at her 21st birthday, she was going to give her whole life in service to her country. and that's what she's done and that's why the british people want to take this opportunity to thank her, really. >> because she's so loved. >> she is. and it's, she's really proved that she deserves it. you know. after 60 years of incredibly hard work, she undertook 392 official engagements last year. a woman who really works hard. at the age of 85, most people have retired long ago. yet, she is still working for us.

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which is down a full 21 cents from a month ago. when it ranked in at 380 a gallon, it's 20 cents lower than a year ago this time. from there to politics, nbc's political unit is out with a fresh electoral map for the presidential election. some surprising new battle lines show president obama hanging on to his lead. both 110 electoral votes up for grabs, it's still a long road to november. joining me is cnbc washington correspondent john harwood. >> let's get to a look at the map, one of the biggest changes is pennsylvania, that go from a toss-up to liening towards president obama's corner. what's happening there in the keystone state. >> pennsylvania's a state that democrats have done well in recent elections. it's structurally very close. i don't think anybody would regard it as put away for the president. headway since last october. we've got to watch as the

economic news, the slowdown we've experienced that we awe affirmed by the jobs report could have an impact as well. you mentioned gas prices, that's a piece of good news for the president, but unfortunately it's been overshadowed by the slowing of the economy overall. >> absolutely. in terms of the unemployment numbers, john you've heard the president he's put the onus on the congress and their do-nothingness. how is that going to play out for voters? does, do they buy that? >> that's his challenge. he'll try to deflect some of the blame for the economy on to republicans, on to europe and events overseas. and some of that is quite understandable from his point of view. but politics as a result is business when you're the incumbent in the white house you bear the responsibility for conditions at the time. he benefitted from that in 2008 when conditions were bad and the republican incumbent was quite unpopular. even though he was running as john mccain. now he's facing the other side, he's got to make the argument

that mt romney wouldn't do any better, in fact he would take us backwards, because people are living in the president it's a difficult argument for him to pull off. >> it looks at the unemployment number for all of these battleground states. with the exception of nevada, north carolina, florida, those battleground states are a falling in below the national unemployment rates. so do you think they are feeling a little bit better in those states? or do you think the national numbers override everything. >> i think the national mood about the economy, the national sense of where the country is going is the most important thing. certainly better for the president to have unemployment below average rather than above average in those battleground states. he'll take it. and that's one of the things that he hopes can off-set some of the political difficulty he's experiencing. but the dominant mood has to do with how is our country doing, are the prospects for our children going to be better than they were for us?

and that's where the president is facing a very stiff headwind in public opinion right now. >> tomorrow night we know the president is scheduled for a fundraising event with former president bill clinton. what do you think the chances are, john, they'll bring up the bain issue? >> not very much. you know, the president, the president clinton went off message from the campaign, i don't think that's going to deter the obama campaign from pressing that argument. democratic strategists i talk to say forget the blow-back from corey booker and bill clinton, bill clinton who would have been doing same kind of advertising this he been on the ballot in this election. they want to pound the message. they think it will work in places like pennsylvania and other battleground states. but i wouldn't expect that president obama and president clinton to have a meeting of the minds on that tomorrow. >> john harwood, i think you're right, as always, appreciate it. number two on our first five web stories, word that osama bin laden pretty much spent all of his wealth on financing terror. it comes from his al qaeda

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we go back to the british fete for the ages, it will be wrapping up any minute. one with enough pomp and pageantry fit for a queen. great britain's own elizabeth ii.

with me nbc news british historian, dr. andrew roberts. so, the good doctor here with us, as we look at what is happening today, and we get the wrap-up of this flotilla, summarize today's events and look ahead for me, what happens tomorrow. >> well really today has been about these 1,000 boats all pay be tribute to the queen and the millions of people on the banks of the thames cheering her. >> despite the brain. >> we're british, we don't care about the rain. we factor in the grain, we take it for granted. we have so much to celebrate. this is a reprice of the royal wedding last year. tomorrow we're going to have a huge pop concert with elton john and paul mccartney and various other singers. and after that, the beacons, 4,000 beacons are going to be lit right the way across the commonwealth, all the way down hadrian's wall. >> to the point of being able to

be seen from space. it will be beautiful. >> it should be gorgeous. and 4,000 of them altogether of course will be something they're all going to be lit at the same time. and so, it's, it's going to be a truly spectacular occasion. and then on tuesday, matt lauer and meredith vieira are going to be watching the actual procession, this wonderful procession that's going to take, go to st. paul's cathedral and back again. i'm going over for that. i'm hugely looking forward to it. >> you'll be there for that, and thank you for being here with us. you have another hour of duty, andrew as we watch more of these events, so thank you very much. time for strategy talk where this morning, actually afternoon, some heated exchange on the economy, actually those did happen this morning. massachusetts governor duvall patrick and ohio governor john case itch spoke for president obama and mitt romney. >> what we have is a congress that has decided there's a political advantage in stymieing this president, putting ideology

ahead of country and that is what is this election is about. and what has -- >> i'm an executive in ohio, i can't blame the legislature for things not getting done. i have to ak sem responsibility. >> joining me democratic strategist, margie omara and msnbc analyst michael steele. welcome to you both. >> margie, ladies first here, as governor case it case ich makes a interesting point. >> when i do focus groups and travel around the country and talk to voters, they're pointing the finger at congress and members of congress. it's congress, not the president that has record low approval ratings. and it's gotten worse since republicans took over in 2010. so it's really congress that voters say is really to blame. the bickering, the do-nothing congress that we have. >> so, michael, look, it can't be denied that a bad economy

will be good for mitt romney and the republicans come november. i don't want to get into any kind of conspiracy theories here. do they have a motivation to turn things around, should they get office any time before january 20 next year? >> sure he does. it's a conversation about the direction of the country. if you go back and look at the republican congress, they have put forward you know, two budgets now. now they've been lampooned and poo-pooed by the left without any consideration, taking a point here and there and blowing them up without the debate. if you will. the president has not come to the table in the serious way. he left simpson bowles on the sideline. he's walked away from the grand bargaining. there's this tension that national tension in the political realm. >> yes, the buck symptoms with the president, ultimately he's got to help move that agenda forward. he's got to sit and look back to what george bush did or didn't do. how are you going to advance the argument. the focus groups may not like

congress, but they're not that thrilled about the economy. they're not that thrilled about the right track wrong track of the country. so there is a lot of work for this president still to do. >> margie, let's take a listen to another clip of the governor, governor kasich on "meet the press." >> they're trying to attack romney. let me ask you a question, what is the president for? i don't understand what the plan is when you don't have a good record, you know what you do in politic? you attack your opponent and try to shift the blame. >> those are fighting words right there. has the president adequately explained his policies? >> i think one of the things the president actually does best is explain complicated issues in a very clear way. >> the more voters learn about

mitt romney, the more unpopular he is. he continues to be net unfavorable. what voters want is an exploration of both candidates, what they say they're going to do. and that's what this campaign is about as well. >> the governor's comments we just heard, they. >> what is romney's actual plan in terms of policy, legislation. >> to the first point of that, i think you're right, the president does do a great job explaining. but the problem is, there is no, there's no. >> follow up. there's no policy that's been put for the congress or coming out of the senate where the democrats have controlled for the duration of his team. >> romney has put forward a comprehensive approach how he would turn the economy around. by looking at reducing the spending of the government. and going, taking another look

at. >> the burden of the health care law. he's emphasized the role of small businesses, 20% tax cuts across the board, looking at capping the regulations that are stymieing the ability of small business owners to get back and invest in the market. there are a number of things that romney has put out there, more that's going to come. this will be a grand debate. not just a grand bargain. about the direction and focus of the country. >> to both of them i would say let's get past the noise. focus on what people want and how you're going to solve the problems. >> i would love to have you give me a pollster perspective. a new poll finds that president obama and mitt romney are dead even on who better understands the economy. it also finds a strong majority of voters think that the president better understands the problems faced by ordinary americans can. that tlans fehr to votes? or is it just people saying the president is a nice guy?

>> it absolutely transfers to votes. what voters want to see is the intersection of policy and personality. they want someone who can relate to them. not just for relating sake, but also because they want policies that will help improve the situation in folks like that. and that's a real clear contrast between the president and mitt romney. not just that the president does a better job of receipting to voters on a human level better than mitt romney. which he does. but also, has a much higher priority on policies that affect the middle class, which mitt romney doesn't. >> you know, michael, it's a pretty big number for mitt romney to try to get past there. you add to that the fact that he's disclosed he's worth approximately a quarter billion dollars. does he have much hope of identifying with the average american? >> absolutely. i'm not going to bebridge him his success. he went out, took the risks as everyone does who is in business. i'm not going do begrudge that success. what i want to know is how can you help me do what you did?

how can i begin to emulate in the marketplace, those strategies that you undertook to be successful? and i think that that's something that mitt romney can get closer to the people in the conversation. it's nice to feel good about barack obama, but it's a little bit better to feel good about the economy and i think that's going to be a strength argument for mitt romney going into the fall campaign. >> michael steele, margie o'mara, thanks to both. now number five on our first five web stories, new leaked images purportedly of the so-called iphone 5. the website 9to5 mac says it would have a metal backing and a smaller dock connector. no word on when it might come out. another look at the diamond jubilee celebration for the queen of england. she stands there with her husband of so many years, prince phillip. 60 years on the throne. ♪

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until the judge determines whether to hold a new bond hearing. it is a believed a new bond hearing will take place next week, possibly as early as monday and he'll have opportunity to explain his site of t side of the story. >> there comes the challenge, explaining his side of the story based on this, there will be a credibility issue. tell me the battle he faces. >> this is serious, uphill, steep battle. first of all, we going to explain the phone calls between he and his wife. i'm sure the prosecutor is going to play those phone calls. >> the ones they were talking about financing, but in code? >> they're speaking in code for example. saying, oh, i've got $8.60. but that's code for $86,000. so this goes directly to his credibility. and awant alex and alexis, want to point out this is not just for the bond hearing, these calls can be played later at the trial. >> that can wreak havoc.

he's the only person that who will describe from his vantage point, what happened. we don't have trayvon martin's voice to do so. >> i think the wife may have to get a lawyer through the bond hearing. >> could she be, could it be perjury? >> absolutely. if i'm the prosecutor, i want to be as aggressive as possible with this prosecution, for trayvon martin's killer. that includes everybody who is involved. and other people who are involved, if they're involved with witness tampering, or intimidating or perjury. why not go after that. >> so perjury being because she testified in court saying that they were somewhat destitute. had no mondayer to pay for attorneys fees and the like. right? >> exactly. that is the perjury that's potential there. >> so the judge has said 'lalex that he can explain himself. >> yes. >> what will be the advice what he can say? does he do it on the material fact, the point that it wasn't his money, it was donated monday

sni. will the judge buy that? >> zimmerman's attorney has stated that zimmerman didn't understand he could use this monday foy for bail. that's the argument he has made and a that's probably the argument he will make. >> what did they solicit the money for? >> for his legal defense. and in fact, shelly zimmerman did take the money out of their pay pal account and put it into her personal account. they did use some of the money to pay the $15,000 to post bail. and to set up the place where george zimmerman has been living until he is returning to custody. >> this is real george zimmerman website that he set up. >> yes. >> was it, was he also soliciting money for just his living expenses? >> the attorneys have all said we don't want to put the information out there. any sort of evidence in this trial. a lot of people are trying to get at it. news people and organizations, tell me the calculations from

the attorney's point of view. >> the attorney is trying to protect the integrity of the process and not give away their strategy for trial. >> right now they're seeping out into the public without any control. it disturbs me as a criminal defense attorney as the actions of the clients and their families. how they could do this. to mr. o'mara. mr. o'mara is trying his best. he goes in front of the judge and he looks like a moron with this client who is speaking in code to his wife and now the wife is facing prosecution. >> i have to ask, do you think this is intentional? or do you think he just doesn't get it? george zimmerman does not understand what is being asked of him. >> i think shelly is smarter than george zimmerman. i'll tell you that. and i think she's behind a lot of this. so i think it is both. >> it is interesting. seema, and alexis, thanks. in today's then and now, we go back 35 years, june 3rd, 1977 in london, a ceremony of pomp

and pageantry, the u.s. ambassador to the united kingdom following protocol by presenting his credentials to the queen. the same queen elizabeth ii. nbc's garrett ackley was there. >> it was there today that quarterback elizabeth receive pld brewsteres as is customary in private. while the guard was being changed outside, the queen and the new ambassador exchanged the diplomatic small talk fitting for such occasions. less than an hour later, mr. brewster was back at the american embassy. >> a privilege and pleasure to have a chance to be presented to her majesty, as well as to present my credentials. >> how do you like the tradition, the protocol and the pomp of being ambassador at the court of st. james? >> i love it. >> and of course, today more ceremony and celebration with the rifl pageant on the thames, honoring queen elizabeth on her diamond jubilee, 60 years as the monarch. number four on our first five web stories, a rare space event coming this tuesday, called the transit of venus,

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it is a heated two days of campaigning until tuesday, that is when wisconsin votes in its recall election of the state's governor. the vote will decide if governor scott walker stays in office or if milwaukee mayor tom barrett takes his play. heavy turnout is expect because of the controversy over governor walker's action to strip collective bargaining rights for most state workers. joik me is andy control, a reporter for "mother jones" magazine. has either candidate got a clear

momentum? >> this race an an absolute dead heat right now. you've got tens of thousands of volunteers for governor walker's campaign and mayor tom barrett's campaign. they're knocking on doors, passing out literature, making phone calls. anyone who tells you that one candidate has a leg up or one candidate is ahead here, is just plain lying. because this thing is way, way too close to call. >> well i would think that at least prior to the last week, it seemed as if the gop had momentum. is there any risk of the republicans feeling a bit overconfident here? i mean are the campaigns saying any different in private? >> the republicans as high up as the republican national committee chairman raince priebus, a wisconsin fellow, they're not getting too cocky. saying we're putting all the effort we can, organizing muscle we can into the election on tuesday and obviously democrats are putting as much as they can into it as well. everyone is at full capacity. no one is getting cocky. at least in public that we know

of. pea lined closed doors, for the republicans it may be a different story. but everyone is, is meeting expectations, but you know, optimistic about all the energy that's gone into this and how it could pay off on june 5th. >> a lot of energy for the democrats, they brought out the big guns, former president bill clinton. do you think his appearance will make much of a difference? >> yeah. i mean bill clinton is a rock star, still. he, he, drew thousands of folks on very short notice. to a park in downtown milwaukee. you know, more importantly, there were you know, a number of television crews there recording the president, the former president's appearance and his appearance was on the nightly television shows around the state and frankly that has even more of an impact than one rally. and i think you know, clinton was on message as well. he hit on governor walker's divide and conquer talking point we learned about not too long ago. he hit on trying to split the state and divide the state in going after public workers.

and i think you know, clinton can only help, especially when he's hitting on all the right notes, the same notes that democrats here in wisconsin have been hammering on. >> we'll see what happens over the next couple of days. andy control with "mother jones." thank you. coming up, matt lauer in today's office politics with his take on the nation's great political divide and the latest on george zimmerman's return to florida. how will it affect the case overall? [ creaking ] [ male announcer ] trophies and awards lift you up. but they can also hold you back. unless you ask, what's next? [ zapping ] [ clang ] this is the next level of performance. the next level of innovation. the next rx. the all-new f sport. this is the pursuit of perfection.

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good day everyone, welcome to weekends with alex witt. 1:00 on the east coast, 10:00 a.m. on the west coast. we have a developing news we're keeping a close eye on things in florida, george zimmerman is getting his final taste of freedom before surrendering to florida authorities in sanford. zimmerman must return by 2:30 p.m. eastern time. that is the place he must return

to. it is the jail there in sanford, florida. we expect him any time now. nbc's charles hadlock is covering things live for us. and charles any heads up in terms of george zimmerman's movements and when he will be arriving? >> we think he should be arriving within this hour, alex. the sheriffs department said the media will be allowed to move closer to the doors to watch george zimmerman get out of the car with mark o'mara and ending his six weeks of freedom while awaiting his trial it came to an end on friday when the judge in this case heard evidence that perhaps zimmer man and his wife were not truthful about how much money they actual will had when the judge issued the $150,000 bond. >> it turned out zimmerman had at least 135,000 in cash in a paypal account he had set up on the internet to raise money for his legal defense. state prosecutors presented evidence of zimmerman

conversations between he and his wife where they were discussing their bank accounts, and they were talking in code, prosecutors allege. the judge ordered the revocation of zimmerman's bond in order to order him back to jail. there will be a bond hearing where they will face the judge, and describe in detail what they knew and why they withheld information from the judge in the first place. alex? >> charles, we're not able to see from our vantage point the larger picture there. is there a great police presence? >> not a big police presence at all. this is the jail facility here in seminole county. the media presence is only about a dozen cameras here. unlike the mob of report erts and camera people that have been following the case over the last few months. so there's a diminished presence of media here. they're relaxing the rules a bit and will allow the media closer to the door when zimmerman gets closer to the jail house here. >> we're glad that you're on watch for us. nbc's charles hadlock, many

thanks. now to front page politics, and the debate over economic policies topping the sunday morning talk shows. friday's jobs report showed the unemployment ticking up a notch now to 8.2%. president obama's team is playing a do-nothing congress. >> the report showed areas that are still hurting. particularly teachers. and construction workers and that just shows the wisdom of the president's policies, we have two very, two policies sitting on the desk of congress right now that they could act on to put teachers back to work and put construction workers back to work. rebuilding our roads, bridges and highways. >> mitt romney's campaign adviser says the blame lies squarely on the president. >> we gave the keys to a person who did not have any prior executive leadership experiences. governor romney has led in the private sector. >> tomorrow, mitt romney will head to the northwest, for a fundraiser in portland, oregon.

president obama will be traveling to new york city for a series of fundraisers. former president bill clinton will head two events. from there now to wisconsin, a final push, two days ahead of the recall election there. republican governor scott walker and milwaukee mayor tom barrett are visiting the very same campaign stop near green bay, that's happening right now. more reaction on today's jobs numbers and what to do about the economy on nbc "meet the press." massachusetts governor duvall said president obama has done better job creating jobs than mitt romney did when he was governor of massachusetts. >> no one, including the president believes that the job gains are coming fast enough. it's clear that he's bucked the trend as distinct from governor romney who rode the trend, trailed the trend when he was governor of massachusetts. doesn't mean he was a failure as governor. the fact is we had a stronger economy then. we were out of recession when he came to power.

>> more from nbc's mike viquiera at the white house. good sunday to you. let's get the latestest, there was a lot going on on the talk shows this morning. >> it was interesting, you know the obama campaign is up to. they're shifting from the attacks on bain capital and governor romney's record there. to his record as governor of massachusetts. you heard duvall patrick, one of a number of surrogates, massachusetts democrats that the obama campaign is encouraging to go out in the country, particularly in the swing states, ohio, virginia, north carolina, pennsylvania, i don't need to list them for you, alex and talk about what they believe is romney's lackluster record as governor of massachusetts. the gut punch that came on friday, you reported it. 8.2%, the unemployment rate now ticking up .1%. anemic job growth. the obama administration points out it is growth nonetheless. 27 straight months of private-sector growth. we've heard the president talk about economic headwinds.

the economic headwinds are turning into a tsunami in the face of his campaign. here's what john kasich had to say in response to duvall patrick. >> i don't tun what their plan is. when you don't have a good record, you know what you do in politics? you attack your opponent and try to shift the blame. what the president needs to do is come out and say how are we going to repair this economy. stop blaming congress. he was the guy that was going to unite the country. >> you don't need to have a fine-tuned radar to sense that the debate is changing in the wake of the numbers on friday. obama campaign officials were asked about it repeatedly on the sunday shows. change in the dynamic potentially over the course of the next several days here, alex. >> mike viquiera from the white house, thank you. joining me for front-page politics, nia malika henderson and msnbc slate contributor. we heard governor kasich saying

that president obama has failed to come up with a jobs plan. it's a talking point that the romney surrogates have repeated on the morning shows. are we seeing a new message, t president's plan didn't fail, raefro rather, that he didn't have one? >> i think that's right. you saw it start on friday when governor romney came out to essentially say, that president obama had been more focused on his historical legacy on legislation around obama care, around health care. than he had been on jobs. he also unveiled a new campaign slogan of putting jobs first, a little play on bill clinton's campaign slogan, putting people first. what you see here from all the republicans at this point is that they see a real opening for the first time since july, the unemployment rate has ticked up. it had been sliding down from about 9.1% i think in july of last year and of course, 8.1% and of course it ticked up 8.2%. they sense a real opening here. it's something that they hadn't had all year for the most part as romney has been running for

president. so you're going to see them over the next couple of weeks. really hammer this point home. that obama is in over his head in terms of jobs. you heard for instance, romney come out and say, that wouldn't it be nice, for instance he was joking a bit, if in the constitution it was actually one of the requirements that a president would have private-sector business experience. of course that didn't work out too well for george w. bush. >> they feel like they've got an opening, we'll hear more about this president not having the experience over the next couple of weeks. >> we heard stephanie kotter highlighting the president's plan, the teachers and construction workers. is the president trying to highlight the experience of the average joe voter? >> they have continued to do that. they have a fairly strong factual case to make, at least what they would do if they had a free reign in washington. about nine months ago, after the debt ceiling debacles, both

parties started pushing jobs built in congress that they knew would not succeed. they were not quite kabuki, but they were close. the white house had a series of infrastructure first, targeted tax cut plans, republicans had a bunch of tax cuts and energy deregulation. democrats are on fairly solid footing if they say look, job loss overall, we want to hire more firearm and teachers. i think there was about $25 billion in the jobs bill for that. >> they could point out that we've lost about $600,000 jobs since government took office. those show up in the unemployment numbers. for whatever reason not willing to go that step further and say that we need more supply, demand side spending. but if, if that's the point that they want to make, that republicans don't have a great response. the response means we're going to cut taxes and deregulate. >> nia malika, the romney

campaign are they sticking to the calculating business approach here? >> well, if you look on the side of mitt romney's bus, he's got a conservative businessman and leader. he's leading with this idea of him as a businessman. you do hear him sprinkling in the stories and anecdotes of ordinary americans. overwhelmingly he is obviously running as a businessman and looking not even necessarily talking about his record as massachusetts governor. >> there is in some ways a disconnect between mitt romney talking about the economy as of the collection of small businesses, which is what he often says on the campaign trail. and teachers who are losing jobs in many of these states like florida, like wisconsin, so you do feel like at some point he's got to start talking about the economy in a different way. about teachers losing their jobs. senior citizens who for instance have to juggle groceries with pain on their prescription medications, because i think what's going to happen, is if they are tied on the economy, as

they are at this point. 45% to 45%. some of these softer issues will start to matter in the run-up to november. >> you have an interesting piece here. your latest one was in response to a recent article that claimed that mittmy is receiving tougher treatment in the press than president obama. specifically in the "new york times" and the "washington post." >> barack obama did get front-page coverage in the papers, deep biographical reporting in 2007 and 2008. it wasn't the kind of reporting that conservatives wanted. it's informed a sense among republicans, i think mitt romney has been exploiting quite well that the media was unfair to them in 2007 by going so easy on barack obama. it's unfair to mitt romney now if it makes any criticism whatsoever. any critical article about bain, the response you hear about republicans was where was this criticism of barack obama's community organizing days? >> i think the way it's being played out in the campaign is

just a psychological link that romney has been able to build to republican voters. brad thor, author who endorsed rick santorum and toured with rick santorum, said last week that mitt romney going to solyndra and making campaign appearances is something that andrew breitbart, before he died, had focused on. the criticizing the media whenever it investigates either romney or mitt romney donor and saying you guys didn't do the due diligence. it's a powerful argument for the campaign to make. >> nia malika and david, thank you both so much. all of you be sure it stay tuned to msnbc at the top of the hour, "meet the press" with david gregory will have massachusetts governor, duvall patrick, as well as ohio gorngs john kasich. a little wet weather is not doing much to dampen the royal spirit along the river thames, that's where thousands have turned out to see queen

elizabeth ii. joining us again is nbc's anna belle roberts, who is thames-side. is the forecast affecting the mood of the citizens at all, annabelle? >> not at all. the pageant started under gray skies. heavy, looked like there might be some rain. but it held off right until the boats reached tower bridge behind me, which is the very end and then the heavens opened. it's been a constant downpour since then. but that hasn't dampened spirits, most crowds remained to wave as the boats went past. the queen herself on a special barge, decorated with 10,000 flowers, she went past and moored up just behind me at tower bridge and there she waved and acknowledged the other boats as they went past. it's been an amazing spectacle. 1,000 boats on the river thames, drawn from across the country, and planned really to demonstrate britain's maritime history. small boats that took part in the rescue mission during the

second world war, rescuing allied soldiers from france. even one boat that took part in queen victoria's diamond jubilee celebrations back in 1897. alex? >> all right well annabelle roberts, we thank you very much for the beautiful pictures we see there, despite of a gloomy weather, it looks like everyone is having a grand time. we'lling about to take you back now for a live look at what's happening there the seminole county jail where george zimmerman is expected to appear at any time now. he must do so, within the next hour and 15 minutes. having to go back, his bail has been revoked after six weeks being out a free man. we're going to see what time he returns, if there's any time in the next few minutes, we'll take you there live on "weekends with alex witt." ♪ power surge, let it blow your mind. [ male announcer ] for fruits, veggies and natural green tea energy... new v8 v-fusion plus energy. could've had a v8.

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fresh fights over the economy today, president obama's camp is tushing back against the weak jobs reports with former auto czar laying down the numbers. >> president obama arrived to find 700,000 jobs a month being lost in this country. we continue to lose jobs for some months as a result of the recession that began before he got here. since early 2010 when the economy job picture began it recover, we've added over four million jobs. nobody is happy with the rate of job creation today. but i believe that without the policies that the president put in place, we would not even have this level of job creation. >> joining me is jared bernstein, former chief economist to vice president biden and cnbc contributor. i'm going to put this question to both of you simply. where are the jobs? jared, i'll let you go first. >> well, the problem, alex is that we've never moved from

vicious cycle to virtuous cycle. when an economy like ours is working the way it's supposed to, growth begets jobs, that bleeds into higher paychecks and remember, we're still a 70% consumer spending economy, so we've never had that cycle. we've gotten close. we've never quite escaped the grips of the great recession. you know, rat anywhere is exactly right, we've been adding jobs since the spring of 2010, but never at a clip enough to generate the virtuous cycle where measures like stimulus, the american jobs act actually make a big difference in terms of pushing that, pushing us out of that vicious cycle and into the virtuous one. never quite gotten there yet. >> so ron, do you see a place where there are jobs? where they're expected to be jobs? >> remember that the unemployment rate was almost three percentage points higher than it was at the depths of the recession. if you look at manufacturing, technology, life sciences, there are jobs.

one of your gefrts said one of the biggest reductions in unemployment have come in state and local governments, if you were to take that away, the private sector unemployment rate would be 7.1%, fully more than a percentage point below where we are officially today. so the private sector is not doing nearly as bad i think as some people would suggest. these numbers are not acceptable by any stretch of the imagination, we have a long way to go with respect to the labor force participation rate. the lowest it's been since 1981. people need to come back into the labor force, they'll only do that if they see a real virtuous cycle of sustained unemployment growth. >> the congress's failure to pass the jobs act bill last september. you've written about that. what would have changed had that passed? >> you know, i view that act as kind of an insurance policy against precisely the situation we're at now. there were estimates at the time that it would add between 1.5 million and two million jobs. maybe save a point off the unemployment rate.

you heard ron's correct citation of how the public-sector jobs would help. you would have an unemployment rate about a point lower if we're anywhere near in the ballpark, of course it would have made a big difference. the idea is that you still need next temporary measures, because the basic demand contraction, the kind of residual problems left over from the great recession, whether it's delevering on households part, investors on the sideline, we're not through, the corrections aren't completed. that's why you needed the extra insurance that we didn't get. >> okay. ron, let's look at the calendar, though, and the fact that we're looking at the summer break. we're looking at ledge slatesors, most of whom have it go through re-election cycles. there's little to no chance that any real policy is going to get through congress before the election. specifically what moves does the president have to turn things around? >> the president may not have any. once again, ben bernanke going to be the adult in washington

and if it looks like europe is imploding further and china is slowing, which i think it is doing more rapidly than many people realize, the federal reserve will take additional unconventional steps to stimulate the economy at a time when we can't afford another external shock like europe breaking apart. the euro going away or china having a hard economic landing. india is also slowing down. brazil is slowing down. the fed i think is fully aware of this. if there's going to be a policy change. it will come in that part of washington. not in congress or in the white house. >> you know, you give us this global perspective. jared, the president said in the speech on friday in chicago that the european debt crisis is the cloud that's coming from over the atlantic. is there anything that can be done to prevent that contagion? are we in this kind of wait-and-brace mode? >> if the cloud is coming. i'm afraid the best we can do is put up our umbrellas, really. because some of the diplomatic stuff that secretary geithner and the president have tried --

you can't see that that's worked a whole lot. there's a lot of diplomatic and political kind of bumbling and stumbling through over there. i don't think that, i think our best home there is that at its worst, we don't know how it's going to break. but at its worst that could shave a point off gdp growth here. that's just my sort of, forecast based on what i see out there so far. that's not a good thing. in fact it's quite a bad thing. but that's not recessionary here. it's a little bit too close, though. >> your thoughts, ron, on the same issue? >> i think, i agree with jared, although i would maybe disagree with the impact. unless europe implodes completely, the euro breaks apart and we go into complete meltdown, the u.s. is 70% consumption, the only large economy in the world that is largely self-sufficient. 13% of our gdp goes to exports. even with china and europe weakening, it will have an effect. the thing that we need, we do need some enlightened policy

here. and federal reserve chairman ben bernanke has said this time and time again. they will keep easing, they will keep rates low. they will do whatever they need to do to innoculate the u.s. economy against diseases coming from overseas or to put an umbrella over us as the cloud comes over. but we do need some measures that would prime the pump as some like to say in terms of fiscal stimulus. they can go with simpson-bowles, tax reform, stimulus reform, it's not going to happen before 2013. >> you guys are both terrific, thank you so much. thank you, alex. taking a very close look here. look, we have a front entrance to the seminole county jail in sanford, florida, where george zimmerman is ordered to walk through the doors within about an hour. we're keeping a close watch. his bail has been remanded. his bond, so we're going to keep a close eye when he gets there.

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eastern. which gives him just under an hour appear. we're not certain at what point. although a point was made earlier in passing by his attorney, why would he get there early. it does have a certain point there. we'll keep a close eye on that and let you know when he gets to the jail. a thunderous and towering salute to queen elizabeth ii, listen to this. those are the cheers, the 21-gun salutes that have been up and down the thames river. those in great britain bringing out the big guns to honor her royal majesty's diamond jubilee. joining us with more insight is nbc news british historian dr. andrew roberts. with a welcome back. as we watch these celebrations, andrew, one can't help but point out, we haven't seen anything like this in decades, if not over a century. when we look back on events say

100 years from now, give me a context on how we'll view them. >> the last diamond jubilee was in 1897 for queen victoria. she went on to live for another three years. her majesty the queen is in very good health. she's 86, but her mayor carried on living until she was 101. if she has anything like her mother's longevity. she could well beat queen victoria's record on the dloen a throne and be the longest of all the monarchs we've had since 1066. >> talk about records being broken. i understand a record was broken in terms of numbers of boats to run down the river in some sort of pageant. so that is something that will be marked down by the guinness book of world records. as we look back at this, weekend, you're going to have people saying that was a nice holiday. a break from work, because wasn't there an extra day tacked on for british citizens to help celebrate the jubilee? >> on tuesday the queen is going

to be going to st. paul's cathedral to have a great commemorative service, so that will be the fourth of these days of celebration. we've had fantastic four days, we don't usually get that. we usually just have three days for a bank holiday and say the fourth is really something special. >> monday night, let's talk about what's expected then. i think it will be an absolutely glorious view with all of these beacons being lit. >> 4,000 beacons, more than has ever been lit before in a jubilee. >> something that will take place for the length and breadth of the british isles. immediately after a huge pop concert outside buckingham palace where paul mccartney and elton john and shirley basscy and others will be singing. >> safe travels across the pond, i know you're taking off on tuesday, hope you get there in time for the beacons, it sounds

beautiful. my interview with "today show" host matt lauer, we talk about his relationships with former co-anchors katie couric and meredith vieira. he talks why some interviews can be tougher than others. >> i think they're difficult because the political pundits and spokespeople put up by campaigns and the administration are so expert at in some ways deflecting questions and getting back to their talking points. >> how frustrating? >> at some point you know you're not going to get an answer. if i've got five minutes with someone on the air on the "today show," it's live, i think in some ways the answer i don't get speaks volumes. >> did you always want the job you have? >> i always wanted it from the time i got into broadcasting in a serious way. from the early days of my career. in a very geeky way, when people would ask me, what is it you would like to do, believe it or not, in some way, shape or form i'd like to be part of the "today show." >> really? >> was it a dream job? yes, i'll be very honest with

you. i used to watch brokaw do it i used to watch bryant do it and do it incredibly well. the thought that one day i would even have a chance to vie for that job or be considered for that job -- was i think a fantasy and so as it started to come to fruition. i started to hear people whisper that maybe this is the guy who is going to get the job next, it was a surreal experience. and to this day it's still somewhat surreal. >> you have a storied relationship with katie. we see pictures of you guys. you guys looked like you were best friends on that set. >> we had a great time. there was, i think katie was one of the biggest reasons i got the job. because we used to do the cross-talks when i was anchoring the early morning local news for wnbc. we would do these cross talks with bryant and katie. katie and i had a certain chemistry. we kidded each other a lot. i think the producers of the

"today show" liked it a lot and wondered what would happen if we were together more often. she has an incredible sense of humor, one of the most creative and intelligent people i've ever met. even today, seven years now, after she left the show, when we walk into a room and we're together, if we have lunch or dinner together, we still have that kind of instant spark of chemistry that i think was so much fun for viewers. >> what about your friendship with meredith as you two get reunited next week in london together? >> meredith is you know, is a very unusual person in my life and my career. that god-awful cheesy line from that movie, she had me at hello. the minute i met meredith, i knew i with a going to adore her. i knew i would adore her as a colleague and as a friend. and she's just one of these people i have an incredibly easy rapport with. we have identical senses of humor.

identical. >> wicked. >> and that can spell enormous trouble. and, yes, so when she left i was sad about it. just because i missed contact with her on a daily basis. so she's back with the show doing a lot of things. she'll be in london, i'll be joining here on tuesday and i'm sure there will be some, you know, some shenanigans on her part as there always are. >> i always look around people's offices and seeing the one picture i don't know why it's so close and what it means. muhammed ali under water. >> he was a childhood idol, still is. >> have you talked to him? >> i've interviewed him. one of my great regrets, is that i never had the chance to interview ali when he still had full use of that incredible voice and that he could articulate the thoughts that he has. because he's a brilliant guy. i've gotten to know him which has been an honor. but growing up, i idolized him. so there's a picture behind you. that photographer took of ali's

fist, that i found in a gallery years ago and loved instantly. and went to go see muhammed one day with ronnie and he signed it for me, but not before playing a bit of a practical joke on me. i called him and said i found this great photograph of his fist and lony said, come over, he wants to see yound he wants to sign it for you. i walked in with this huge picture, i took it out of the frame and i put it on the champ's lap and he grabbed the pen and he -- he said, not my fist. i said, i had to pay a lot of money for that thing. he said, are you kidding me? and then he smiled and he said, yeah it is, and he signed it. but that picture was one where he kind of conned a photographer into believing that a part of his training for big fights was under water. which was complete fabrication. but he got the guy to go under water and take that picture. >> it's a great photo. >> and that was a great interview that matt gave me, i want to thank you so much, matt, for that.

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lie about the finances. the family had said that they were somewhat destitute. they did not have money to pay for attorneys and the like. when in fact there was a website put up, the real george zimmerman that was soliciting contributions that would be going towards legal defense as well as his living expenses. when he was hiding out for all that time. so again, charles hadlock as we watch this with you as well there were a fair number of people around. but this thing goes very quickly. we're in and then we're out. >> well, going to take a while because what is going to happen is that george zimmerman will be booked into the seminole county jail here. he will await another attorney, mark o'mara said he will ask the judge for another bond hearing. in fact the judge on friday said he wanted it talk to zimmerman and perhaps his wife about what they knew about their finances and why they didn't tell him back on april 20th, when they sit zimmerman's bond at

$150,000. the judge said he benefitted from the low bond and the family in fact had much more money than the court was led to believe. >> so he will now be processed, but this is it in terms of what the media access will be. we waited all this time. we have this confirmation video that lasts about what, 10 seconds or so. that shows he's going into the jail and that's it. >> we won't see him again until he appears in court? >> no, but i'm looking right at mark o'mara, he's expected here shortly. the prosecutor will be speaking to the media quickly. >> so that's going to happen shortly. but not still got a few minutes from happening, you say because it's just now being set up? it's being set up about ten feet away from me, mark o'mara is here, presumably he will speak.

>> why don't you flag our control booth, we'll keep you hot there and as soon as it gets under way we can come back to you if it's before the end of our hour. in the meantime we go to politics because we have today's big three to talk about with our topics being blame game, trail mix and badgerland battle. >> senior vice president and myra miller. democratic strategist and bgr group, managing director, morris reed and real clear politics reporter. erin mcpike. my apologies if we break away for the conference. morris, if you are advising the president right now, what do you do politically for the latest job numbers, how do you frame your argument positively. >> the numbers were challenging, you have to be level with the american people. you have to set the baseline at where we came from. where we're going. you have to be clear you have to be precise. you have to send a pleng that you have things under control and you're moving us in the right direction.

right now, numbers come and go, alex, as you know, but it is the confidence, do people feel like tomorrow will be a better day than today? that will be the singular issue, what people will judge the president on the economy. if he does those things, he can turn this around. >> mara, here's the president in his weekly address led. let's listen to this. >> it's not lost on anybody that this is an election year. but we've got responsibilities that are bigger than an election. we've got responsibilities to you. with so many people struggling to get by. now is not the time to play politics, now is not the time for congress to sit on its hands, the american people expect their leaders to work hard, no matter what year it is. >> myra, economists have said the president's americans job act would significantly help the situation. but republicans killed the bill. doesn't the gop share some of the blame for the tough economy. isn't the president partly right there? >> well firstly the analysis of

the president's jobs proposal depends on the economists you ask. from the republicans' point of view. the basic problem with what the president has proposed is it's simply more spending. if you look at the jobs report we got last friday, very concerning, showing that those policies aren't working. the second item is there's not really much being done to change business environment and causing it to be easier for small businesses to hire this is deeper and more structural in nature than just more spending, the key problem here. >> last september, the "associated press" cited, mark standi, chief economist at moody's analytics estimated that the president's economic growth would by two percentage points. compared with existing law. having said that, everyone, nick just told me we have the schaefer of seminole county speaking so sit tight on this and we'll take you now to sanford florida, regarding george zimmerman. >> he'll be held on a no-bond

status. >> he will not have a first appearance tomorrow. judge lester will schedule a hearing sometime relatively soon, i assume. george will be housed in administrative confinement. a single-cell arrangement exactly the way or the manner in which he was house d. >> during his last incarceration here. we have been since his release, we've been in direct contact with mr. zimmerman. we have been in constant or continual electronic contact and consistent telephonic contact. i have nothing else to add, i'll answer some questions if, if need be. >> everything go smooth, no problems? >> yes.

he is quiet and cooperative. >> who did he show up with? >> mr. o'mara. his attorney. >> was it on like the rest stop on i-4. >> no, it was in the on i-4? >> it was at hugh thomas parkway in a business parking lot. >> how long after the judge's order was the sheriff's office able to establish contact with zimmerman and receive assurance that he would be here within the appropriate time? >> i'd say three, four minutes. >> could you tell us where he was? >> no. >> could you tell us how long it took him to return to florida? >> i cannot. >> was he going to give himself up there? i didn't catch that. >> when we made contact after the judge announced his order. just a matter of minutes. >> did he ask you to obscure his identity when he came in? >> no. thank you very much. >> thank you, sheriff. >> there you have the sheriff of

seminole county. we understand george zimmerman's attorney is there on scene. he's coming to the podium. let's take a listen to him. >> first of all, i want to thank the sheriff for handling this in such a truly professional way. not pandering to him but he's made easier what could be a tense situation to deal with appropriately. we appreciate him working with us to make sure george got here safely. having said that, he is in custody now. he's going to remain there until we get back before judge lester. if and when he grants a bond hearing it sounds like he might consider it. that's going to be based on the motion itself and whether or not judge lester wants to revisit his bond status. we're hoping he will. >> can you describe his demeanor, his attitude? >> i think he was -- he's solemn, obviously. he's worried about his safety, having to come out of hiding is a concern of his.

i think he also realizes the judge's concerns, now that we have all had on the defense team a chance to look at all of the evidence. he understands the court's concerns. he understands the state's concerns and we're going to address those and say what i think needs to be said to address them with judge lester. >> -- any different from the prosecutor's interpretation of that? >> i'm sorry in. >> does he have a version of events different from what the prosecutor says? >> no, not radically different. >> did he speak in code, hide the money? >> you have heard me say this before. to use an older phrase, i think that explanation or apology, if it is, should go directly to the person who deserves it. in this case, that's judge lester. >> when should you file a motion for a bond hearing? >> probably tomorrow. it will be straightforward. just hoping the judge will give us an audience and we can

further explain away why what happened seems to have happened. >> you presented to the court with a copy -- you presented the court with a passport that he said was his only passport. at what point did you learn it wasn't? what was your reaction when you learned the passport you presented to the court wasn't the only one? >> the passport issue i think judge lester identified as a nonissue is as follows. 2002 he receives a passport. he loses it. 2004 he gets another one. when he gets to me, his, quote, passport it was the one that existed in 2002. when he was released and moved out of the area and gathered his belongings, he found the 2004 passport. as soon as he got to where he is or was we talked about closing down his internet presence which is when the check was identified or the money was identified in the fund. that was immediately turned over

to me. literally fed-exed that day as was his passport which he found. so the second passport which they didn't believe they had was found and turned over literally within a minute or an hour of him finding it. that came to me. i presented it to the court. the problem that happened, as i sort of acknowledged, was the very day i did the notice of filing of the passport it sat in the pleading portion of my filing, did not get filed the next day like it was supposed to when we had the court hearing it sat there for a month causing concern of the state because they didn't know i had his passport. once that was resolved as judge lester mentioned like having a license and losing it and getting another one, it was a nonissue to him. i would suggest it is a nonissue to all of us. >> do you believe shelly zimmerman will be charged with perjury? also why or why not and why does it fall to the prosecutor to bring it up? is it not within the purview of

judge lester? >> i believe the judge has cop tempt authority. if he believes there was a contemptible occurrence in the courtroom he can take it on himself. he doesn't create criminal charges. that's up to the prosecution's office. they will look at a it, see what facts are there and determine whether or not it is appropriate to charge. that's out of my control. >> is zimmerman worried about his wife? >> he's worried about himself, his wife, his family, everybody that has to be in hiding because of the anger and frustration and hatred that spurred from the case. >> i mean in connection with her being charged with something criminal? >> he's worried about shelly about a lot of issues. that one as well. >> does this change your case at all? >> i don't think it addresses the case specifically. certainly there is a credibility question that now needs to be rehabilitated by explaining away what they were thinking when they did what they did if that's

what happened. we'll address it. >> what are the odds given all this that they will get the bond? >> if you look at the statute he's entitled to bond. however, having put something in front of the judge which the judge relied on that may have been have been fully true is going to cause concern. he has to address that with the court. >> looking forward, sir, can you tell us what the plans are for the stand your ground hearing? >> i mentioned it but just so everyone gets a better feel for the timing it's this. we have half the discovery. maybe another half or 30% this week. another final 30%. that may take another couple of weeks. then i get to do some work including gathering my evidence. >> all right. we have been watching a live news conference by george zimmerman's attorney saying that his client has returned now to single cell confinement upon being processed in the seminole county, florida, jail.

he's solemn, quiet. he seems to understand the reason for the judge remanding his bond. we'll keep an eye on what's happening there for you. i want to apologize to erin, morris and myra. we'll have more information on all of this coming up on msnbc. an accident doesn't have to slow you down. with better car replacement available only with liberty mutual auto insurance, if your car's totaled, we give you the money for a car one model year newer. to learn more, visit us today. responsibility. what's your policy?

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