debunk the republican witch hunt, and the washington post drops a bombshell on the romney campaign. mitt romney was an outsourcing pioneer at bain capital, and the president is attacking. >> we do not need an outsourcing pioneer in the oval office. we need a president who will fight for american jobs. >> good to have you with us tonight. president obama came out swinging today against a republican-led do-nothing congress in the house. his message to a group of latino elected officials was simple, comprehensive immigration reform in the country is possible, but the republicans are preventing it from happening. >> we should have passed the dream act a long time ago. it was written by members of both parties. when it came up for a vote, a year and a half ago, republicans in congress blocked it. the bill hadn't changed. the need hadn't changed. the only thing that had changed was politics. >> this was the president's

first speech to a latino audience since he issued an action halting the deportashz of some 8,000 illegal immigrants brought to the country as children. it was the same audience that heard from mr. obama's opponent, milt romney, on thursday. >> your speaker from yesterday has a different view. in his speech, he said when he makes a promise to you, he'll keep it. well, he has promised to veto the dream act. and we should take him at his word. >> well, sometimes you get into trouble for taking mitt romney at his word. his campaign cochair for latin america was asked whether or not romney would keep president obama's immigration directive. the response, my anticipation is that he would probably rescind this directive were he to be elected in november. the campaign told greg sergeant of the plum line, romney's campaign cochair for latin america does not advice nor

speak for the campaign on immigration policy. really? must be a heck of an organization there. mitt romney and marco rubio call a deal on the dream act could have been brokered had the president not gotten in the way. but wait a minute, the reality tells a much different story. romney can thank his republican friends in the congress for doing nothing on this issue. handing president obama the very tools he needed to not come up with only a short term solution but to hit the gop right over the head with it. >> so, to those who are saying congress should be the one to fix this, absolutely. for those who say we should do this in a bipartisan fashion, absolutely. my door has been open for three and a half years. they know where to find me. >> mitt romney and the republicans have no solutions when it comes to immigration. they have managed to drive moderates out of the party,

paving the way for extreme measures like arizona's papers please law. president obama pointed out the republican party used to be more welcoming to the hispanic community in this country, giving a nod to his prescessor's attempt at immigration reform. >> just six years ago, an unlikely trio, john mccain, ted kennedy, president bush, came together to champion comprehensive immigration reform. i along with a lot of democrats were proud to join 23 senate republicans in voting for it. today, those same republicans have been driven away from the table by a small faction of their own party. created the same kind of stalemate on immigration reform that we're seeing on a whole other range of economic issues. and it's given rise to a patchwork of state laws that cause more problems than they solve and are often doing more harm than good.

>> in a room full of elected leaders from all different back grounds and all different walks of life, president obama got personal. >> every single day i walk into the oval office. every day that i have this extraordinary privilege of being your president, i will always remember that in no other nation on earth could my story even be possible because when i meet these young people, all throughout communities, i see myself. who knows what's they might achieve? that's what i'm fighting for. that's what i stand for. >> we have the president of the united states relating to the struggles and dreams of so many americans and what they have. mitt romney tried to relate to the same audience by telling them that his father was born in mexico. romney just doesn't get it and neither do the republicans. romney had the entire week to

formulate some kind of response to this president solution for immigration reform. he just couldn't come up with it. he hasn't come up with anything in a week. instead, well, he's told right wingers that he favors self deportation. he supports a border fence, beefed up border security. as president, he would veto the dream act, which is pretty serious stuff, isn't it? it cuts to the core of it. i think president obama is on to something when he says that he ought to take mitt romney at his word. >> you know, yesterday, your featured speaker came here and said that the election in november isn't about two people, it's not about being a republican or a democrat or an independent, it's about the future of america. and while we've got a lot of differences, he and i, on this point, i could not agree more. this is about america's future. >> get your cell phones out. we want to know what you think. do you think latino voters will

ever vote for mitt romney? text a for yes, b for no, to 622639, or blog us. we'll bring you the results later on in the show. i'm joined tonight by florida state representative darren soto and eugene robinson. and pulitzer prize winner columnist for the washington post. great to have you with us. mr. soto, you first. you were in the room. what were the differences? were they as stark as they seem from looking at the cuts of the tape? >> well, they absolutely were, ed. we saw a chilly if not polite reception at best of romney yesterday. and then today, obama was treated like a rock star, and why shouldn't he? he has delivered. he has delivered with the nomination of aponte to el salvador to the dream act, and he came in with guns blazing today. >> the room knew it, felt it, which is pretty obama like?

he can warm a crowd, but it's about the issues at this point, and gene robinson, he had a week to put something together on this. you get the feeling, i know the guy is right, but i can't say anything about it. what about romney's position? >> it's amazing. earlier in the week, we were saying surely on thursday when he speaks to na leo, he'll come out with a position, but he hasn't. this is a terrible issue for romney and he needs to change the subject fact. we know where he stands with latino voters. number two, it shows a sort of feckilousness that is perhaps unreadiness for primetime that in a whole week, he couldn't get together an answer to a simple question, would you rescind the new possibly, and it allows obama to talk about the things congress has not done, all the things that congress complained about, but republicans in

congress failed to do. they filibusters the dream act. that's why he had to do what he did. so romney needs to change the subject fast. >> real fast. and i just don't see him mounting any kind of a strategy that's going to be effective. i mean, this could swing the election to president obama. it's going to be razor tight no question about it. mr. soto, what do you see mitt romney having to do between now and november that could have an impact on the latino vote? >> well, certainly having a plan with immigration would help out and having more of a plan than just being antiaffordable care act. as we have seen in polling, health care is critical to our community. we have 4 million people who don't have health care in our state. the vast majority of them are children. and this is very important, and so you need to be more than anti. you need to put ford wr some positive ideas. nigdz, there was nothing on education today. or yesterday by romney. today, obama outlined we need

more teachers in the classroom and we need to make pell grants, make college affordable. these are things that are going to resonate, and lastly, about the tale of two visions. we saw that barack wants to build the economy from the ground up while mitt romney from the top down, with trickle down economics that didn't work in the past and isn't going to work now. >> did the president streak the right tone today? >> i think he did, it was like playing t-ball, lied out for him. so i think he did strike the right tone. he was forceful. he was very clear, and i think he hit on some major themes to which he will return during the campaign. so a good day for them. >> so, eugene, do you think this is an issue the president can ride until november? this isn't just a week or tw-week story? how does he make it better? how does he really continue to hammer this home? >> he can certainly continue riding this issue until there's

something more substantive or e defin tfrb or hopeful from mitt romney, and that doesn't look promising. you know, and as you know, ed, this can really tip the balance in some swing states, especially in the mountain west. with large hispanic populations where according to the polls i'm looking at, the president's already large margin over mitt romney seems to be growing. >> mr. soto made the comment a moment ago about health care. i noticed today when the president mentioned health care, he got quite a response in the room. next week, health care is going to be a big, big story in the country when the supreme court rules. is this too an issue that the president is going to win in the latino vote because the republicans to my knowledge have not come up and definitively said what they want don't want when it comes to health care and getting everyone covered. >> one of the underreported

stories in the country is all of the americans who really, really like and appreciate and need aspects of the affordable care act that are now taking effect, and that are making a huge difference in people's lives. i wish that democrats and the president had been emphasizing this more all along. i hope they do now. because i think if republicans think this is all their issue, i think they're wrong. >> florida state representative darren soto and eugene robinson, thanks for joining us on "the ed show." remember to answer tonight's question at the bottom of the screen, share your thoughts on twitter at ed show. we want to know what you think. republicans say attorney general eric holder isn't telling them the whole story. i'm going to talk to someone who knows the story first hand coming up on "the ed show." matthew miller will join me tonight. stay with us. we're right back. [ male announcer ] trophies and awards lift you up. but they can also hold you back. unless you ask, "what's next?" introducing the all-new rx f sport.

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holder's department will give us this thoughts on the hit job on the attorney general. >> the obama campaign is jumping over the report on mitt romney and outsourcing. and jerry sandusky's lawyer said today he would be shocked and die of a heart attack if the ex-penn state assistant football coach was acquitted on all accounts. this is his attorney. we're awaiting a verdict. katherine crier joins me with the latest. we're coming right back. ♪ i'd like to thank eating right, whole grain, multigrain cheerios! mom, are those my jeans? [ female announcer ] people who choose more whole grain tend to weigh less than those who don't. multigrain cheerios that could adapt to changing road conditions. one that continually monitors and corrects for wheel slip. we imagined a vehicle that can increase emergency braking power

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this week. the republican witch hunt against attorney general acre holder. heads to the congress next week. he will become the first cabinet member in u.s. history held in contempt of congress if a party line vote is cast. the attorney general's office has already turned over thousands of pages of documents to the house oversight and government reform committee, but the republicans want more. according to a report in the daily beast, republicans want a trophy. the chief investigator counsel for the committee republicans demanded the scalp of a key member of holder's team as part of the rough and tumble negotiations. the scalp they wanted was assistant attorney general lanny brewer. a staffer for committee chairman told them to get rid of breuer in exchange for passing a contempt vote. the justice department didn't play along. they deny the request for breuer's firing, but just a few months ago, darryl issa said

heads should roll in the dusts department. he told the comity, i do believe there are people at main justice who ultimately do need to go. meanwhile, the right wing is now using the family of slain border guard brian terry as political pawns. they put him on a show last night and republican lawmakers are showing up on fox accusing the administration of withholding the truth. >> the bottom line is this, there's an agent dead. >> that's right. >> his family wants the truth. this administration said no. that's wrong. >> republicans still say they haven't been told the truth. so let's help them get to the bottom of it tonight. i'm joined tonight by matthew miller, former aide to attorney general eric holder. mr. miller, good to have you with us tonight. one of the things -- >> thanks for having me. >> when did eric holder know about this program, fast and furious? when did he find out about it?

>> i remember it clearly, it was early in 2011 when the allegations first came to light. i remember his reaction very clearly. this is a man who has been in law enforcement his entire career and he said these tactics if they have been employed are illegitimate, they shouldn't happen, and he did two things right away. one, he ordered everyone in the field to stop gun walking and prohibited it from happening in the future, and he asked the department's inspector general to open an investigation, a thundershower thorough comprehensive investigation. >> when the border agent, brian terry, was killed in that shooting, the attorney general of the united states did not know about fast and furious? >> that's right. that's right. >> how could that be? >> you have to remember that this was a field level operation that happened in arizona. one of thousands of operations that go on around the department every day. but what happened during fast and furious was that guns were allowed to walk.

something that is is not a legitimate law enforcement tactic. if he had known, for example, as the last attorney general under the bush administration had know, if he had known, he would have stopped it because that's what he did when he found out. >> the alcohol, tobacco, and fire arms is under the jurisdiction of the justice department. so there were operations in the field that were taking place that the attorney general didn't know about. how would you characterize it? were these rogue agents out selling arms, trying to get them into mexico to identify drug cartels? how could this be? >> there are agents in the field who are trying very hard to stop the vast number of guns going across the border. and in this case, you know, these are tactics that started several years ago. they started in the bush administration, happened in several operations in that, and they carried over into the obama administration. but one of the things that has come out in this investigation, the people at the atf and the people at the u.s. attorney's

office in arizona have said they didn't brief officials in washington. that's really unfortunate because i think it might have been stopped earlier. >> there were other programs besides fast and furious, started under the bush administration. are we to believe these took place in the bush administration and when the obama administration came in, nobody knew anything about it? >> no one at the top did. you'll never hear that from chairman issa, but he likes to make reckless allegations, but every fact he uncovered shows no one in senior positions knew about this until after the fact. >> we could come to the conclusion that eric holder did not know what mukasey knew under the bush administration? >> that's true. >> and that information was not passed along? >> thas right. and the aff has said that to investigators for the committee and democrats have had "a" sked to call him to say that, and issa has refused.

>> why would certain documents in the case fall under executive privilege? >> you have to look at what happened in the investigation. it started as an investigation into what happened with fast and furious and how the guns were allowed to walk. and the department turned over all of the relevant documents that led to that. they showed no wrong doing on behalf of senior officials at doj, and issa wasn't satisfied with that and then asked about documents for the department's response to congress. he got those documents. they didn't show wrong doing on the behalf of senior officials so he shmoved the goalposts aga. >> there were some redacted statements in that, correct? >> statements that were withdrawn. >> well, this is the crux of it all right now. issa wants to know what was taken out of that letter. he doesn't believe that eric holder is telling the truth and he says some of them say that the obama administration knew about it, the obama team knew about it. >> yeah, well, he does say that,

but in fact, you know, the second thing he asked for unthis investigation was all of the documents that led to the preparation of that letter. and these are documents that departments of justice in the past have not turned over. but this department bent over backwards and gave him those documents and they showed that the people who wrote the letter got bad information, an inadvertent mistake, but issa hasn't been satisfied with that. when he hasn't uncovered facts that support someone resigning, he has moved the goalpost, and now h wants documents from the months after that letter was written that have nothing to do with the initial response. >> we have heard all week long from democrats that there are certain people that should be testifying in front of the committee and issa will not allow them to be called. do you think that there are other people out there that would shed more light on this to help all congressional members in the country to get to the bottom of this? >> you could tard with attorney

general mukasey, the last attorney general in the bush administration. >> you think he should be called? >> we have seen a memo that went to him describing gun walking, guns tracked across the border. went right to him. clear as day. i don't know why the committee didn't call him. >> appreciate your time. we'll do it again. thank you. coming up, the washington post is calling romney a pioneer, but it's not a compliment. find out what his business success is creating a campaign fail. . and later, copt profits at an all-time high, but they're not being passed along to the workers. we have the details. stay tuned. welcome aboard!

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show." the next story goes right to the heart of who mitt romney is. and what he does best. he prides himself on being a successful businessman. he claims he has created tens of thousands of jobs while he was at bain capital. and he asks this question, he was asked this question almost every campaign stop. >> do you want someone who spent his life in the private sector who understands where jobs come from? >> but romney might need to change his stump speech. the washington post revealed that under romney, bain capital encouraged companies to move jobs overseas, actually, romney was a pioneer in the industry. the washington post discovered that bain pushed to export jobs

at companies like ibm, hp, dell, and lucent. he encouraged these companies to move jobs overseas while romney was in charge. the romney campaign is not happy about this report, no doubt. they will not talk about specifics. they only say the report is flawed because it doesn't dif r differentiate between outsourcing and offshoring. the campaign insists he will attract foreign jobs to america by cutting taxes. in other words, romney wants to bring back the jobs he sent overseas. romney did not want to talk about outsourcing on camera today. but the president sure did. >> we do not need an outsourcing pioneer in the oval office. we need a president who will fight for american jobs. >> romney was extremely successful at bain. he comes from a corporate culture that is about making money. it's not about people, it's about the bottom line. it's not about infrastructure of a company and where it is. but the business philosophy might not be the answer for

getting american jobs back here in this country. there is a real conflict with the way this guy does business and the way what we need in this country to build up jobs. it just doesn't match up. let's turn to ohio congressman jim ryan. good to have you with us. there seems to be a real conflict in romney's business philosophy and it's clashing with his campaign message. what do you make of it? >> no doubt about it. this is really shaping up to be a great issue for us politicall but especially for the american worker, when you contrast it with what barack obama has done for states like ohio between the recovery act and the tariffs he put on chinese oil company tubular products coming in, we got a 0 $650 million prep, and also the dumping coming in from china and the president took a tough stand and put tariffs on the products

coming in, and who benefits from the residents of youngstown, ohio. one in every eight jobs in ohio is because of the auto industry. president obama flat out rescued the auto industry. so this contrast between mitt romney offshoring jobs and making a lot of money doing it, and barack obama creating jobs in places like youngstown, ohio, pa parma, toledo, is a dramatic difference and while barack obama at the end of the day is going to win the state of oo hi. >> every time the subject of china comes up, mitt romney talks about being tough on them and currency manipulation, and that has been kicked around quite a bit in congress as well. do you hear anything from romney that is different from what president obama is trying to do? >> listen, i like a strong, firm president. and the problem with romney is

his career has been in implementing things that are the complete opposite of his rhetoric right now. he can say whatever he wants. barack obama has already got the job done. ask the workers in northwest ohio where tire jobs were created because obama took on china and they were dumping tires into the country. again, go to youngs' town or brookfield, ohio, where we have steel tube jobs because obama took on the chinese. let romney talk. our president has acted. shared brown has acted, and ohio is better for it. that's why you see the unemployment rate better than the national average in places like ohio. i'm tired of the political talk like a lot of people are. this president has a strong record and if you're someone in ohio who wants jobs to be created in america and not o outsources to mexico or china or wherever, you want to re-elect barack obama. no question hereof. >> the snumbers do tell the story. tim ryan, good to have you with us.

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latino lears and elected officials. both spoke at the association of elected latino officials in flod, both talks about immigration, both got the same amount of time, but they're not getting the same response. a week ago today, the president announced he would stop deporting more than 1 million undocumented children and young adults. now look at the latest poll of latino voters. obama is way ahead in five battle ground states, colorado, ohio, florida, nevada, and virginia. romney needs these states and these latino voters to win the white house in november. romney is accusing the president of taking the latino vote for granted. he also accused the president of failing to fix immigration over the last three and a half years. i'm joining tonight by new jersey gop assembly leader john blamnic, also errol louis, the host of new york one's inside city hall and carol finny.

john, you first. good to have you with us. what does mitt romney -- there seems to be a disconnect. he doesn't seem to be connecting or coming up with an immigration policy. what does he have to do to turn this around before november? >> it's all about jobs. whether you're hispanic or whatever you are, you want a job and you want thicks to get better for your family. this is what mitt romney -- his strong point, it's what people believe and will believe when they go into the voting booth, things have to get better in america. that's the point he has to make. he's made it, and i'm convinced that's the future. >> karen, what about the immigration end of it? it seems mitt romney hasn't come up with a plan. he can't answer the direct question, if he would stay with or rescind the program. >> it's not that he can 0, it's that he won't answer. one of his advisers has said that he would rescind the decision the president put in

place. and here's the other thing, consider the disrespect of going in front of naleo, one of the largest and most prominent latino groups in the country and not explaining yourself, not explaining self deportation and say that in a primary and have a totally different message in a general election. >> what about that? >> you can micromanage these debates, you can try to find one issue, but in the end of the day when a hispanic voterory any voter walkinize to the voting boolths, are things going to get better in america? is it going to be better for my family? who knows how to manage an economy? that's what people want to know. that's the issue. >> what do you think? >> if he could, as we have seen from mitt romney, what he would try to do is change the subject. he can get away with that for a month or two in the summer, after labor day, can he get away with that? i don't think so. the reality is what people think of the future is not just a job but it's also opportunity,

fairness, what is going to happen to the roefs their family. >> but his decision is going to affect a million people and romney doesn't take a stand on it. >> but ed -- if i may -- >> you're talking about a long term solution. not something you do for political points in the short term. there's no doubt this is a fair minded man. but he wants a long term solution where everyone is at the table and congress makes a decision on what to do. >> what about that, karen? >> you know, here's the thing, all due respect. here is what he may forget in the revisionist history. latinos remember. it's not just the actual what's in the actual agreement that is signed or the legislation. it's the tone of the debate that makes latinos and african-americans feel uncomfortable and feel like the republican party and this is part of why the base of the republican party is shrinking, is not a place that understands their issues. and our issues. in 2005, it was the rancor of the debate that actually all of the latinos, all of the gain the

republicans had made in the prior election, came to the democratic party. they remember the tone of the debate. they remember that no republicans would support the dream act over the last year, and they also know that it is the party of mitt romney that is out there trying to dissen fran choice right now our voices at the ballot box in this fall election, not to mention this guy is somebody who a champion at shipping jobs overseas. >> maybe the media's tone, no one will ever question the tone of mitt romney. that is a very measured, very kind, very straightforward man in my judgment. so if you want to talk about -- >> it wasn't kind or straightforward -- >> media want to craft the solution. >> he wasn't very kind when he talked about self deportation. he wasn't very kind when rick perry got booed on the stage for talking about having a certain amount of humanity for the people in his state. so you know, i don't think we have seen that kind of kindness. i think we have seen a political

tunest go and realize as george will himself has said, he has to get 30% at least of the latino vote. you can't win a national election. that's the changing demographics. >> if you want to take the eyes of the people off the economy and try to micromanage a debate, you know, that's fine, but when people walk into the voting booth, they have one thing in their mind, are things going to get better if we keep barack obama there? >> for 80 million people they are going to get better? they're not going to get deported. their children who were brought here -- >> nobody said he's deporting those individuals. >> but he's never given a definitive answer. >> he said he would veto the dream act, and that in itself is troublin troubling. he said he would like to replace it with something more comprehensive, but people understand that could be either a dodge or if meant genuinely, a little bit unrealistic. >> the president reminded us

that the dream act was filibusters in the senate by the republicans. >> let's take it on the economy, straight on the economy, what i think the gop doesn't understand is health care, that's an come issue for many families. when we talk about repealing health care, what happens to the millions of americans who rin the system and the people who are going to be covered in the system that we have in place, or how about again, mitt romney we know from the washington post today -- >> there's a filibuster going on now. >> here's the question, the experience that mitt romney brings to the table, with all due respect to the president, he hasn't had that experience in the real world economy as a business person, and ed, without experience, how do you really make the day to day decisions? the bottom line is he has not been in the real world as a business person, the president, now people want someone who can manage this economy. >> do you agree that mitt romney was a pioneer in outsourcing?

>> look, outsourcing -- you focus on one small issue as opposed -- >> people having their jobs shipped overseas is pretty big to them. >> competition within the business community, sometimes it required some outsourcing. if you want to focus on that issue, you miss the big picture of where does america want to go. do you want to start to create more business and enterprise or don't you. >> thanks for coming in. thanks for your time tonight. appreciate it. umnext, more americans are out of work now than at any time in the past three decades, but companies are doing just fine. we'll show you the details next. stay with us. hmm, it says here that cheerios helps lower cholesterol as part of a heart healthy diet. that's true. ...but you still have to go to the gym. ♪ the one and only, cheerios olaf's pizza palace gets the most rewards of any small business credit card! pizza!!!!!

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all right, let's talk numbers. corporate profits have hit an all-time high. but companies are doing well at the expense of what? average americans and workers. here's corporate profit margins starting around 1945. right there. as you can see, companies are making more profit per sale now than at ever before. meanwhile, those on the right wing are saying that, they're whining, we have too much regulation, we're paying too many taxes. really? how are your profits doing? i guess they're wrong about that big time. but as all these companies are raking in the repocord profits, you would think it's helping

folks. fewer americans are working now than at any other time in the past three decades. this is the current civilian employment ratio right here. consume this. companies are just sitting on their profits and not giving american jobs the way they should. they desperately need american jobs even though they could easily afford to hire more workers, at least that's what the numbers show. this is exactly why corporations are making record profits, another reason they they're doing so well, they're paying their employees less than they ever have before. this is a percentage of the economy and as you can tell, wages for workers are at an all-time low. this is another reason why companies are making big profits. people's wages have turned into company profits. now, look, i'm a business guy. i love profit. we all love profit, but what about fairness? there you have it.

companies are doing fine, but average americans aren't. every time unemployment numbers come out, republicans are quick to pounce on the fact that the matter is that companies could hire a hell of a lot workers because they have the resources to do it, but they're just not doing it. why is the financial sector, why is the business sector sitting on all these profits? because they're republicans and they don't want barack obama to get re-elected. tonight, in our survie, i asked do you think that latino voters will ever vote for mitt romney? 6% of you say yes, 94% of you say no. the jury is still out in the fate of former penn state football coach jerry sandusky. katherine crier joins me for that next. stay with us. ok! who gets occasional constipation,

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nbc's kate snow had an exclusive interview with u.one of the accus accusers. travis weaver is the first to come forward. >> i told him if he didn't get off me, i was going to call the police on him. he just laughed at me and, you know, forced me to stay on the bed. and told me if i ever said anything that nobody was going to believe me and he would get my dad fired from penn state. >> weaver has testified in front of a grand jury, but was not called as a witness in the current trial. he is suing sandusky and penn state university. weaver told kate snow he doesn't think jerry sandusky imagined it would come to this. >> was this a guy in your opinion, was this a guy who thought he would never get caught? >> yes. yes. i don't think the thought ever crossed his mind. >> i'm joined by katherine crier, attorney and author of

the patriot acts, what americans must do to save the republic. this is the most intense and one of the most high profile child abuse cases we have ever seen in american history, isn't it? >> absolutely. when you're talking about one individual, the tie span, and i would like to point out, the number of people i suspect knew. high profile, powerful, responsible people that will never be held to account for what they knew and what they didn't act on. >> that really is the gut wrenching story surrounding all of this. is that there were so many people who knew that could have done something but because maybe of the power structure, they didn't do anything. >> that's right. >> what do we learn from this sdm. >> we're not only talking about other coaches, university officials, powerful alumni, and i'll bet dollars to doneuts, there are cops and maybe right up the law enforcement chain who

knew. in their heart of hearts if not directly, what was going on. >> the jury has been deliberating for more than a day. what does this mean? they have a lot to go through. >> it doesn't mean much in the sense that jurors, i have always found as a trial lawyer, as a judge, that they take the responsibility very seriously. they will go through, i believe, every count. they will take that vote, they will be sure they're satisfied with the results. so if it takes a long time, many defense attorneys go that's good for us, but this number of counts, if they were to come back this evening, i would be a little surprised. >> what was your reaction when jerry sandusky did not take the stand? >> how could he? i was reading a line and this was used in the rebuttle in the bop costas interview, and i want to repeat this. this is what he told bob costas, and it was edited from the interview. i didn't go around seeking out every young person for sexual needs that i helped. there are many that i didn't have. i hardly had any contact with who i helped in many, many ways.

how can you say something like that? you can play with it as a defense counsel, but sounds like an admission to me. this guy would have been torn to bits by a prosecutor if he took the stand. >> the jury asked the judge to clarify some instructions today concerning one of the alleged victims. this is pretty standard, isn't it? >> sure, they were a little confused, and it was where the janitor had seen or his colleague had said, i saw this man doing something with this child. and unfortunately, the man who saw it nowdementia, and they needed to know what weight they could give the janitor's testimony. >> does this send a message to all institutions in education that when someone comes forward, you know, with an allegation, that it has to be checked out? i mean, we haven't heard the end of this story. there are still some other

people who are going to be in front of a judge and jury? >> some perjury questions. i would like to see a much broader investigation. sadly, do i think it sends a message? no. do i think the message that is effective is anybody going to get, reap big rewards from this in terms of civil lawsuits if they can establish responsibility because i hate to say it, it's brightened the checks that would make a difference. >> and jerry sandusky's adopted son came out and said today, now a sequestered jury, we don't know if they get that information. >> they shouldn't. >> but this is very damaging. >> very damaging and something they need to remember. prosecutors held back some cases. if he because acquitted, they have other charges they will bring and prosecutor on. >> thanks for joining us. that's "the ed show." i'm ed schultz. ezra klein filling in for rachel tonight. good evening. >> thank you very much, and

thank you to you at home for staying with us for the next hour. rachel has tonight off, but we have a very, very packed show coming up. it begins with the biggest news of the 2012 campaign so far, but it's important to say this, it's not just campaign news. it's news that will decide whether 30 million americans receive health insurance beginning in 2014. next week, the supreme court is expected to rule on whether the individual mandate, the portion of president obama's health care law that required every american who can afford it to have health insurance or pay a fine is constitutional. no one really knows where the court is going to come down, but the odds don't look good for the health care bill. a poll shows 54% of supreme court clerks show the law will be overturned. that's up from 35% who thought that before the oral arguments. it gives the 76% chance of it being overturned. if the court does overturn the mandate, it's almost certainly going to be on a party line