story. oh, yeah, and by the way, it's july 1. my student loan rates did not double. party. okay. our top story. it's so ordered. with those words, which concluded the supreme court's majority opinion in the national federation of independent business versus sebelius, obama care, or known by its government name, the affordable care act was declared constitutional on thursday. the court's affirmation of the sweeping over haul of health care gave president obama a victory that had been sought by democratic presidents for the last 75 years. whether you side with the five justices in the majority or the four in the minority. a couple of facts we can all agree on, the affordable care act is constitutional, and number two, thanks to that decision, 32 million people will soon have health insurance. then again, if you are senator rand paul, why let a little thing like facts get in the way of your opinion? he responded to the court's decision, saying "just because a

couple of people on the supreme court declare something constitutional does not make it so. the whole thing remains unconstitutional." well, i guess he's sort of right in thatç it's not a couple of people, but a majority of the nine people on the supreme court that have to make that declaration. and that happened and that is what makes it so. you can subtract from the 32 million that now have the legal right for insurance, the citizens of some states who are denied coverage available to the rest of the country. governor scott walker vowed wisconsin will not take any action to institute obama care. and no health care in louisiana either. bobby jindal says we're not going to start implementing obama care. same for south carolina. she said the state already made the decision not to implement an exchange. as did texas, whose governor, rick perry, has said "absolutely

he has absolutely no interesting in accelerating the implementation of obama care and will not create a health insurance exchange." virginians, governor bob macdonald says there is still some uncertainty at this point to what the right course is. you can't forget arkansas governoror vel f ancorval faubu said it is my responsibility and my purpose and determination to defend the constitutional rights of the people of arkansas to the full extent of my ability. okay. i cheated a bit. faubus is not the current governor of arkansas. it is mike beebe,ç but back on september 18, 1958, governor faubus affirmed arkansas's place on the list of states that

resisted school desegregation. three years after the supreme court ordered southern states to move with "all deliberate speed" to deselling ra gait public schools. the affordable care act line is more specific. states have until january 1, 2013 to demonstrate that their exchanges, the marketplace where is customers can shop around for insurance, will be up and running next year. governor's threats of delays now as they did then have very real implications for the lives and the liberty of american people. by 1964, for example, a full ten years after brown, less than 2% of black children in the south attended desegregated schools. and the health of individual americans and the already astronomical cost of caring for the uninsured can't afford the cost of that kind of delay today. joining me today, kenjio shinno, and kayton dawson, katrina

vanden heuvel and igor volskey. i feel like i butchered your last name. despite rand paul it does only take a couple of people, in the sense of five toç make this constitutional. what then do southern governors, and not just southerners, we have wisconsin in there too. what do republican governors hope to gain politically or in terms of policy by basically standing in the school house door? >> well, i think what we have -- >> are you a southerner and a republican. >> i think the accent gives it away, i'll tell you, one of the things that senator paul just did, framed a part of the election i see. i come from the campaign election side and some of the public policy. governors changed in the last election cycle. pennsylvania, new jersey, virginia, not always swing states. it matters when have you a

sitting governor when you have a major election coming up. and he framed this election and the base we talked about yesterday, the base got activated both ways. the republican base now understand that we could have as many as and you told me, four supreme court justices appointed in the next term of the president. now they understand electorally what's in swing, the bases moving, and the people in the middle. the southern governors, mine included, are making a statement. this election is not over yet. >> you see a real momentum shift with this decision. a long time, people said it will be overturned. a big loss for the presses. he wasted his time, romney said. and now independent voters are looking, the law is constitutional and they are saying we want to back a winner, and right now this is the president's victory. >> two things. there is a cruelty, in not just southern governors, like kasich, walker, and the governor of florida, rickth scott, in turning down faq)al funds and they did it on high-speed rail

which was about pragmatism and building a better state and future for their people, but on this, it's just putting lives on the balance for ideological reasons. i also think this decision and i defer to the constitutional experts here, was crafted, the finesse, it still puts limits on the federal government and that relationship between the government and the states is still up for grabs, though the immigration decision was interesting, because there was very clearly the federal government has the prerogative in the immigration area, so i think it's a very fluid moment, and last point on the brown versus board, it will take movements, it will take movements, fused with court decisions, to bring about the real progress in this country. we saw it with the civil rights movement, having to push years after brown to make realhe promise of that decision and that will be the case with this. >> i mean, it goes to the notion of an activated base. the court insult mately passive.

the court rules on what someone brings to it. why brown is an important way of thinking about this. you get in a decision, 10 to 15 years later, you get the implementation of that decision. it feels like the affordableóa care act is quite different than that. and it doesn't say all deliberate speed in this decision. it basically says now it is so. kenji, what happens as a matter of law for governor who's say, you know what? yes, you have a federal law here, yes, you know, the supreme court has decided its constitutional, but we will not take action? there is a kind of -- there is a trigger in the law itself, but is there something legally? do we end up with a real crisis of the federal system? >> right. in fairness, democrats have done this too. i think back to gavin newsom, actually a personal hero of mine, but he did something i thought that was outside of powers when he would unilaterally declare that

same-sex couples could get married in san francisco. and a lawsuit was brought, you don't have the power to do this, and the court smacked him down if this comes to that ultimately, what we'll have is a lawsuit. but i want to make really clear, this is not a partisan issue. the left is doing to us as well as the right is. i think it was wrong when he did it, wrong when the governors are doing it. a little plausible deniability. not clear what they are saying to me. if what they are saying, we're not going to accept dollars for medicaid, that's within what the supreme court allows them to do. they would be in conformity with the supreme court decision. if they are saying we're engaging in state-wide civil disobedience and acquiesce to obama care, that's a different thing entirely. they are still me tab analyzing the decision. we'll see more nuance. >> i feel like nikki hawley and

the supreme court decision. i have been focusing on the exchanges. exchanges, if they are not in place by january 1, the federal government has the right to set them up. talk to me about exchangesç versus medicaid. two different relationships between the federal government that this new decision has given us. >> that's the irony, the red states are saying we're not going to implement the exchanges. they are inviting the federal government to come in and do it for them. one of the things about this, it's very state based. 50 different exchanges, different regulations, states decide what kind of products insurers offer, what works best in their state, and if the red states are giving that up and say let kathleen sebelius come and do it, that's their prerogative. a really ironic point for those who scream about the tenth amendment and say the federal government, stay out in this case, inviting it in. >> by not setting it up, they actually invite more federal power. we'll dig into the decision a little bit. i have the decision, i've got the dissent. i promise i won't read them on

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>> faithfully the office of the united states faithfully. >> oh. look. if you screw up the first black president's big moment, you probably owe him big time. but i think after the affordable care act decision, i think president obama is probably willing to call it even. nobody thought that president obama and justice roberts would be sharing space as batman and robin to the damsel in distress, but sometimes there are strange bedfellows. after all, the roberts six terms as chief justice there, have been more than 100 5-4 decisions and there has been one time that he sided with liberal justices, three days ago. which is probably why everyone is trying to get into justice roberts' head to find out the one question that he didn't

answer in the 59-page opinion. why did he do it? still with me, kenji yoshino, katrina vanden heuvel, igor volskey. i heard he did it to save the court. save the court from one? >> the deficit and ledgitimacle. bush versus gore, gonzalez versus carhartt, the ptial birth abortion decision. where you get the partisan 5-4s that gradually dim irn the idea the court is just there to hand down the law. so here i think he did save the legitimacy of the court. >> he wanted to be the umpire. so he was very clear that his national sort of understanding of how the supreme court is meant to act is umpire, not as activist. >> he said to jeffrey rosen when he looked back over the past

chief justices, it was very humbling. he saw each one of them or many of them get captured or get threatened with capture at some point in his career. he was trying to avoid that and broke ranks to do that. and briar and kagan broke ranks as well on the spending clause portion of the decision. this is a very good decision from my point of view in the sense that i don't think it's good to live in a country where i can point to supreme court justices and predict the vote in every case. >> at that point, the court is not doing what it's supposed to. here is my nervousness, we have the sb 1070 decision earlier in the week. upholding power for the government and we have this decision, which, you know, certainly challenges the role of the federal government in some ways, but basically upholds the power of the federal government. here is my terror, part of the reason roberts is joining in this is not to be roger tanny

who decided the dred scott decision and gone down in infamy in supreme court history, but so that when doma, the defense of marriage act shows up, he can rule reasonably that the federal government hasç a right to wip out the states's rights to allow people to marry and/or the ability to wipe out roe vs. wade. >> i'm not sure i can talk you down on this one. i might actually pour gasoline on the fire, to a mix of metaphors again. there are two concerns that progressives could have, and two things that conservatives could celebrate on the obama care decision. one, he actually did ratchet back both the commerce power, and the spending power. both powers have traditionally been used to expand government power. he expanded taxing power, that's

only one of these three powers, the other two have been the aces that congress has used. not the taxing power, the commerce power, he ratcheted both those back. point number one. point number two, going into next term and the future, the rest of the chief justice chip, the man is now bullet proof. conservatives can celebrate. we have a lot of big ticket civil rights cases coming out next term, defense of marriage act and the perry case coming from california. not just voting rights act, not just the -- what's a big one? affirmative action case, the fisher case, we know basically roberts' views on affirmative action, given the seattle school district case. given that he's bullet proof, i think ki go whenever way he wantq >> it's important that justice roberts understood that legitimacy othe court was at stake. but this is still many ways a 1% court in terms of it's decisions

on worker's rights, corporate rights and also in just real world terms allowed, for example, the koch brothers to unleash $9 million in attack ads against the health care bill hours after this. bush vs. gore, he was very troubled. can they remain the steward of the rule of law? one decision unsettled in terms of the role of the federal government, vicea vee states. roberts may be bullet proof, but that doesn't mean we should expose him to scrutiny on this decision and others. the montana decision was really troubling in doubling down on q8pr(r'g the power of down on corporate money at a time, a few

days after, they just really screwed, if i could say that, labor rights. >> i think a lot of constitutional scholars also thought that this was kind o an easy call. you saw the poll come out before the decision, some 19-21 constitutional experts thought it would be upheld.ç it was certainly going before the great majority. this is solid footing. i think roberts made the right call, but a lot of people thought this is the right call all along. >> melissa, what john roberts just did, showed to me is a political operative that elections matter. and elections have consequences, and the consequences were the democrat ink party won in 2006 and 2008. they controlled the house, the senate and pennsylvania avenue. it showed elections have

consequences that matter. that's wheat's getting ready to happen. they had the right to do that in congress. the president had the right to sign it we saw those consequences mattered and mattered now. all the decisions will matter greatly especially after the november election where republican governors are laying markers down. if we have an election there, is a change in the white house. >> scalia played a role. >> sure. >> in justice roberts' decision not to let this court, this decision, be an adjunct to the republican party or be viewed as a hacker. scalia's broadside in the immigration decision, ranging in, seemed to me unprecedented. bringing in evidence or information about what president obama did via executive order, to bring that into a court case, a broad side against a president. had to have worried justice roberts in terms of the view of the court. >> and your point that elections

matter, an aging supreme court and an agingç only on the libel side, and the conservative justices very young, looking like they have a very vibrant. >> thank goodness, they are working out. >> we're going to be back later with you kenji, more terrifying things on my mind. up next what will the health care reform look like for doctors and patients on the ground? the answer to this trivia question. think about this during the break. which supreme court justice is responsible for the installation of the first frozen yogurt machine in the supreme court? these are the important questions we answer after the break. ♪ why not try someplace different every morning? get two times the points on dining in restaurants with chase sapphire preferred.

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70 million for public health infrastructure.çó 23 million for public health mpthis make for the actual heal care of americans, but also for cost containment? >> well, thank you for having me on, he will misa. and i appreciate the opportunity. i am a physician. i have been practicing in urban detroit the past 25 years, predominantly caring for medicaid and uninsured patients. about 25% of my practice is uninsured, and it's critical to understand that, a, we don't

have enough primary care physicians in the united states to absorb 33 million new people into the system. massachusetts is a prime example. they incorporated 550,000 people, and -- and -- who now had an insurance card, what happened? they couldn't find a primary care physician. they all ended up in emergency rooms,ç increasing costs by 33. we need time, the four years is the rampup time for the aca between 2010 and 2014 was to get the primary care infrastructure together and you alluded to some of those. community health care dollars, about $11 billion to increase the number of primary care sites and positions. service core dollars, about 1.5 billion to help -- loan retainment plans for physicians

to practice in urban areas. these are very important resources to ramp up to the capacity and infrastructure we need to care for this very needy population. >> are you sort of nodding your head as the doctor has been talking. as are you looking at what this actually means on the ground what are the fundamentals we need to start doing, regardless of what republican governors are telling us they are not going to do. >> when we talk about lowering the rate of growth, talk about reorienting the health care system from a system that threatreats chronic conditions, one with very high-tech treatment, to one that keeps people healthy to avoid getting the diseases in the first place. that means paying primary care doctors more, encouraging newly graduated doctors to go into primary care. even though the reimbursements are is somewhat lower, that's really key if you are going to start seeing costs come down.

>> and from here, oh, america has the single best health care system. >> right.ç right. >> health risk prevention falls short. >> for women, this -- being a woman is no longer a preexisting condition. have you an end to the gender ratings discriminatory practice. charging women more in premiums for the same health care practices as men. >> i'm not sure women knew that would happen. >> if you are a woman and getting a quote, unless you are a business owner and looking at your different employees, you may not realize that you are paying a higher rate. >> you just made a great point. part what we need in the next period is the president and democrats and others who care about health care to get out into this country and explain provisions that are popular. the bill as you know, everyone knows is not. but when you break it down to what it means in real life cob crete ways. >> it's an economic issue. an economic issue for women. disparities costing us more and

we're making less. when we talk about preventative care and community of color, it's much more expensive when people go when they are in the chronic condition than if you promote a position of wellness. you put people in a position to make good health decisions early in the process. we should be about promoting individual responsibility to promote wellness. >> aren't you down with individual responsibility? isn't that the republican line? i just heard it from the democrat at the table. >> she got it right. a wonderful discussion about the wonderful programs we've created. you touch the doctors. my brother is a)pulmonary position in charston, south carolina, and he is stretched so thin. being a physician is a life-style. it's a god-given talent. you talk to any physician and they are already stretched. maybe we'll take a little less. i don't know how much less they

can take. and we talked about these things, and we wonder, how will we pay for that? those are wonderful numbers that the doctor gave. that's where the argument is, who is going to pay for it, how much and where is the money coming from? >> when we come back, i'll make an argument that in certain ways, this could be seen as an economic stimulus for the reasons dr. smith suggested. we have to hire folks to provide care. we'll ask about this question of free access to care and whether or not there are folks to provide it and whether it counts as job creation, we'll talk about women in cairo and why democracy is complicated, that when we come back.

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thin coffee shops. people who i thave been out of work. you can tell it wears on them. narrator: he's fought to pull us out of economic crisis for three years. and he still is. president obama's plan keeps taxes down for the middle class, invests in education and asks the wealthy to pay their fair share. mitt romney and his billionaire allies can spend milions to distort the president's words. but they're not interested in rebuilding the middle class. he is. i'm barack obama and i welcome back. according to the association of

american medical colleges, a shortage of about 63,000 doctors by 2015, with greater shortages to come. in the future, 91,500 by 2020, and 130,600, by 2025. still with me, dr. herb smitherman, and still at the table, kayton dawson, katrina vander hooufle, igor volskey and kenjiç yoshino. these are not jobs that can be sent overseas. this could be a great economic boon to the communities. >> it can be. we'll have to use other practitioners, like nurse practitioners and p.a.s, we can get them through the educational system faster, so we will need and we are ramping up in this couey with increasing the number of medical schools, et cetera, to have the kind of

position and workforce that is needed to care for this population. i did want to make one point, though. one of your guests indicated that this bill, the aca, will increase the cost of care. let me just say. most of us who are practicing medicine in this industry don't feel that will happen. most of the uninsured receive their care in high-cost settings, emergency rooms and hospitals. ten times the kinds of costs if they were to see a primary care physician. this significantly increr3qj the cost of care in this country, in fact, around the united states there, are about $60 billion, costing half of the hospitals in the united states being nonprofit. that's unsustainable.

who pays for the uninsured? the sure e insured pay for them current premiums. so we'reç already paying for t uninsured. paying an exorbitant cost. we'll actually decrease costs by getting an exchange. and having prevention services. >> let me pick up on exactly that. and i'll beat you up a little bit, kayton. not the first time. that's exactly the language from the decision that republicans have picked up on, given that roberts talked about the taxing power, being revised in conversation, this is a tax, but we're already being taxed. if you are sured, are you paying a higher insurance rate, because poor folks have to get uninsured care at emergency rooms, who is paying for it? we're already paying for it. won't this, in fact, bring down the costs? aren't republicans being disebb

jen white hous ingenous. >> small businesses get a tax incentive. >> have you an increase in the medical tax, capital gains, 15% to 20%.ñr dividends go from 39.6% to 43%. 3.8% tax on the profit of the sale of your home and the big one. two big ones that the electorate will get in campaigns and elections. we have 16,500 new irs auditors. nobody in favor of that. >> all the people who have jobs as irs auditors. >> and the number one thing is the tanning booths now have aç 10% sales tax. >> oh. >> with all due respect, we have just heard the talking points we'll hear over the next two months. but obama care provides the

largest middle class tax cut in history. a division among small business owners, on the news the other day, they had three people from alec, american legislative exchange council. millions of small business owners very pleased to see this progress, it will help them in terms of hiring, in terms of moving costs out of their business. it will create jobs. dr. smitherman, it will create jobs. jobs we need. if there was political will and wisdom, we would provide primary health care providers. >> thank you to dr. herb smitherman in detroit. best rest of you back for more later. up ñrnext, the political party with the record of marginalizing women is ruling egypt. we'll talk to two women in cairo after the break.

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celebrated his inauguration in weekend, and he told the crowd, i stand with you in a square of freedom, and i am one of you. yesterday, morsi, egypt's first islamistñr and civilian preside, sworn in before the country's supreme constitutional court. in the first speech as president, morsi claimed a transfer of power from the military council. now, many are hoping he will use that power to follow through with promises to extend the revolution to the women of egypt, by upholding women's rights and appointing a female viceç president. many are skeptical that it will come under a man that led the islamist brotherhood and personally called for restrictions on egyptian women. joining me are mona xdeltahawy andeth ar el-katatney, joining me via skype. thank you for being here.

>> thank you for having us. >> hi. >> mona, tell me a bit of what it's like in cairo today. now that there is a new president. >> i think it's important to remember that this new president only got 25% of the votes in the first rod. and that the majority of voters helped him become president did so out of fear and hatred of the other candidate. and that was the military candidate. we have the president who struck the military junta and the muslim brotherhood in power in egypt. morsi as president of egypt will give us a promise that he wants to include everybody, women, christians, minorities of all kinds, and people who don't belong to the muslim brotherhoo. this is really important. >> some of what mona is calling for there, we have heard from president morsi at least in terms of language that he is going to support women's rights, potentially will be a woman as

one of the vice presidents, are you sort of encouraged by the language or do you remain concerned? >> well, so far, it's good. what we have seen so far, discussion of theç muslim brotherhood, discussing his personality, the ideology of the muslim brotherhood, and the military relationship will be in charge of ministry. only time will tell us if he will bring himself to the muslim brotherhood. what we can see, muslim brotherhood, they have the new kind of dynamic centrist approach and displaying it toward political ideology. starting a new page, in parties who may have wanted the muslim brotherhood. mona said he only got in with a very small margin and a lot of them voted not because they wanted him to win, but they wanted that coke to lose. they are happy because of democracy, not because of him. we have to take steps to consolidate all of the polarized

groups. >> ethar makes an important point with the pleasure talliur issue of ender and gender equity. how can we take the history of this president within the muslim brotherhood, versus what this new position is needing to govern, more from the center? when i look at the history of muslim brotherhood on the history of women's rights, i am very concerned. weçó have seen them ju[thfy feme genital mutilation, and we have the wom them saying that it is

undignified for women to protest, conveniently forgetting if it wasn't for the fact that egyptian women were front and center of the revolution, morsi wouldn't be president çótoday. based on rhetoric of the past, i am concerned. morsi said, i salute the women of egypt, who were sexually assaulted, who paid with their lives, who paid such a high price, i might have said this could be the turning a new page. and also remember, the muslim brotherhood said in the past, women and christians could not be president. but wait i want to be proven wrong. i want to seeççççççzzçç

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we have been talking about today's democratic party, where they are, what they stand for. on thursday, we found out, more than 100 democrats led by members of the congressional black caucus and leader nancy pelosi, sent a clear message when they walked out during a house vote to holder rick holder in contempt. where that very act showed unity it didn't show consensus. 17 democrats voted to hold holder in contempt. joining us from kansas city, missouri, emanuel cleaver, chair

of the congressional black hawaii kau cu caucus. >> good to be with you. >> can i ask you this? what in the world were the 17 democrats who did not join you in the walkout, what were they thinking? >> well, i had made the -- the appeal to the democratic caucus on thursday morning, jim clyburn of south carolina had had suggested at the cbc meeting the day before that we walk out, and we thought that we would have over 100, which we did, but we also alized that there are some blue dogs who simply believe that, you know, the people backç home would think kindly of them if they went along with the -- the contempt citation. obviously, i disagree. steny hardy asked if they would

at least vote and go to the cloak room in the back so our side would be teem, soempty, ank most of them did. each person who voted with the other side obviously believed it would be a good move back home, particularly those who are in close races. >> congressman, let me ask you about that exactly. are democrats better off with or without the blue dogs? they ovide a majority and help to create the sense of higher numbers, but is it actually better off to end up with a consensus or corralled group? >> we are a coalition. someone mentioned earlier, of all kinds of people. we have conservative democrats who embrace i think overall the democratic principles, and then we have people who are considered liberal, like me, who

would find antithetical many of the things that the blue dogs vote for, but, you know, i try desperately to respect the fact that they can't go along with us on a number of things, but let me also say that there comes times during the course of a session when i would say, now, we probablycan do better without the blue dogs, and then i rethink it, come to the conclusion that the democratic party is a big tent party and we need everybody. >> is it possible -- here it is july 1, moving toward the labor day dnc convention, possible to get everybody on the same page between now and then? >> it's always been hard for democrats. you see how the right does it. they are so organized, they are so -- on fast andñr furious, i t the sense that the leadership wasn't happy with this vote. scheduled it on thursday, when the decision came down. they didn't want the headlines,

but the right-wing members knew this was a base issue, to rally their base, to come out, conspiracy theories about a way to control gun violence, secret attempt by the president to get gun control in place. how beholden is this party to the nra? >> this is the best example of what you are talking about in terms of the grip that big money has on politics. those 17 members likely did not vote the way they did because that's the way their constituents would want. if they were to make the argument. they were afraid of the ad that would be run against them by the nra and the outspending. the outside spending against them. >> democrats think if they compromise with the republicans, it will work in the end. it hasn't. we have tried it, it hasn't. they will run against you. >> it doesn't work on our side either. i found it interesting, the congressman said blue dogs who stay there, and i love the fact that we are putting people inç

all of these groups, certainly counterproductive. they want to represent the people back home. he just angered those members, because they are willing to represent the people back home. >> how do they -- >> that's what he just said. >> the jobs, which republicans said when we get the majority, that's what we'll focus on. >> the point about jobs and what do people back home want? ke karen finney saying it's not what people want, but kind of the danger of running against the nra, of needing them. look, i live in louisiana and we like our guns and so if you were to run, you know, commercials against -- we have blue dogs from our state, that said, you know, this person trying to take away your guns that would be damaging for them. >> well, yes, and the gentleman who just said -- who just quoted me on something i didn't say. i hope he will look at the tape. i didn't say it was because they

were trying to represent the people back home. because they believed that's kind of what the people back home would want and it would play out for them politically. no question about it that many of those individuals who didñi t vote with us believed that in the long run it helps them. now, even though i disagree, why get a -- a 2/3 republican when you can get a 100% republican? we see that being played out over and over again. i mean, you know, look, the congressional black caucus in the last election, a horrible year forç democrats, did not le one single seat. the blue dogs, on the other hand, that did, you know, move over, trying to make sure they didn't get one those 30-second spots, were dismated, and i think that what -- what we need to understand is that -- and i respect the people who are over there, in spite of what the gentleman said. i respect them, i don't put people down for trying to stay

in office. however, i thinkxd if you look the raw numbers, the people who do that, lose far more than the people who stand up. >> thank you, congressman cleaver. a useful point that goes to the broader question of do you win by being republican light or really sticking out space as a democrat? i appreciate you joining us today. and thank you to kayton dawson. the rest of you are coming back. we'll ask about mississippi and the fact that mississippi's only abortion provider may be barred from providing termination services after today, even though abortion -- please do not forget this, is still legal in this country. and democratic leader nancy pelosi talks about the role that aids activism played in her career, after the break. ...the number one selling paint and primer in one, now with stain blocker. each coat works three times harder, priming, covering, and blocking stains. let's go where no paint has gone before, and end up some place beautiful.

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a republican from mississippi. >> we have literally stopped abortion in the state of mississippi. and, of course, there you have the other side. they're like, well, the poor, pitiful women that can't afford to go out of state are just going to do them at home with a coat hanger. that's what we've heard over and over and over. but you haveoç have moral values and you have to start somewhere. >> coat hangers. when asked about the coat hanger remark, carpenter said that's some of the language that some of the african-americans used on the floor of the statehouse debate. it seems that moral values of bubba carpenter does not include a role for women's health and safety. the new law goes into effect today. it makes it impossible for women in mississippi to obtain a safe, legal, medical procedure to

which they have a constitutional right. an abortion. joining us from washington to tell us exactly how it restricts reproductive rights is willie parker, an ob/gyn. thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> this is a law that is profoundly insidious. it sounds like it's a law that will protect women's health, right? have to be an ob/gyn with admitting privileges. explain why this reduces the ability for a woman in mississippi to get an abortion. >> the guise mandates that you have to behz a board certified ob/givob ob/gyn. that says other health care provider who's are not ob/gyns will not be allowed to provide the care and that will greatly restrict the number of abortion providers that could potentially

come to mississippi or in the state of mississippi to provide that care.ç the second -- >> dr. parker, it's alreadyrest. are you flying in as part of your understanding of responsibility and community giving back as a phyv because there are so few providers. >> that's correct. i actually reside in washington, d.c., but i'm from alabama, and part of the reason that i decided to go to mississippi is because i am familiar first hand with the poverty and the disparity when people don't have access to health care and abortion is health care. so i made the decision to begin providing services in mississippi because i saw first hand what women faced when abortion is not safe and accessible. >> it feels to me also mississippi has this strange reality it has one of the lowest abortion rates, but also one of the highest teen pregnancy rates, and one of the highest -- the highest poverty rate in the

country. what is it about women's health that is important in terms of being a provider? it's not clear to me that people understand, this isn't just some vague moral issue. this is really about women's lively hoods and their lives. >> absolutely. we know that when women have the ability to make the very important decision about when and whether or not to have a pregnancy and have children, that they make decisions about themselves their well-being and the families that they are responsible for. so abtion in abstract might seem like a moral issue, but one in three women will have an abortion in their reproductive lives and half of all pregnancies unintended. we know when abortion is illegal or unaccessible, women driven to extreme measures.

women who live in mississippi who are already in extreme circumstances of poverty and low access to health care and modern contraception that would be further exacerbated if one option they have when they do become pregnant and don't plan to be or want to be is taken away that's would happen if the clinic in jackson closed. >> i want to bring in kenji yoshino. i want to ask you the legal question. this state-based restriction that doesn't say we're restricting abortion, just makes it more difficult, more burdensome, does this end up in the supreme court? if so, what does the law tell us about the likelihood of this being upheld? >> absolutely it could end up in the supreme court. the center for preproductive rights is challenging the law in question. it gets filtered through the undue burden standard. in the casey case in 1992, the supreme court enunciates in this a joint opinion, and basically the undue burden test says prior

to viability, you cannot place a substantial on ska sta kell in the way of a woman getting an abortion. pretty fuzzy language. we don't know what it means. and it's litigated in a case-by-case basis. generally pretty per missive. things like 24-hour waiting periods have not deemed an unduç burden. >> and parental notification. >> that's a great question. parental notifications by minors, as long as there is a judicial bypass option, where the minor can go to a judge, that's been upheld as not being an undue burden. you have to tell your spouse that was struck down in the casey case. i think the issue will be, is creating this obstacle so if mississippi shuts down this only abortion clinic in the state due to this regulation, will that bi deemed substantial obstacle in the path of a woman to get an

abortion? i think you and i would agree that counts as undue burden, but given that undue burden is kind of a term of art that the court uses and been used very per missiblely, we don't know what will happen. >> dr. parker, the last word on this. if you are a woman living in mississippi today what is your option, your alternative if, in fact, this clinic is shutting down today? >> well, the options are very limited in terms of for a woman who might be 16 weeks today which is the legal limit in mississippi, if the clinic is closed tomorrow that woman effectively loses her right to have an abortion in mississippi and if she can't travel, she's stuck. women have to speak out, speak to their legislators and help them to understand that they demand their constitutional right to reproductive privacy so they can access vital services. >> thank you for joining us today and the work are you doing to try to make it possible for women to continue to haveç

choices. thank you to kenji yosh inna, helping me understand what this all means in terms of the law. up next, the end of aids in america as we know it? more from my interview with nancy pelosi on the legacy of hiv/aids and what the future holds. whether or not a cure may be there. [ valeda ] since the very beginning, there's been this commitment to low prices. ♪ we might have had new ways to say it. but the commitment has never wavered. i should know. my name is valeda and i've worked for walmart for 50 years. ♪ ♪

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with two times the points on dining in restaurants, you may find yourself asking why not, a lot. chase sapphire preferred. much of my interview with democratic leader nancy pelosi focused on her reaction to the supreme court ruling, but i asked her about one specific public health issue, a life long rallying point for her, one she staked her early career on. >> the issue of hiv and aids has been a life/death issue for me in my district. when i came to kopg, many people had lost their lives to hiv/aids. when i came 25 years ago on the floor of the house, in my first

comments, i talked about coming here to try to fund hiv and aids. and people criticized me, why did you want that to be the first thing people knew about you? i said it because i meant it. it is my commitment for all these years, and i'm very proud of my community in san francisco, the source of many ideas on prevention, care and research for a cure, and i feel a special responsibility to the issue. participated in the pink triangle ceremonies at gay pride week last weekend in san francisco and look forward in july to participating in the international aids conference in washington, d.c. >> representing the needs of those affected by hiv and aids was a courageous position for the new congresswoman. we as a nation have começ a lo way in combatting the hiv crisis. when she first became a

congresswoman in 1981, the cdc estimated half a million people were infected with hiv with 80,000 new infections per year in 2009, that was down to 48,000 new cases per year. the possibility of a drug that would prevent the transmission of it, a new quadhiv pill, a kind of once a day pill, it's hard to remember when hiv was known as grid or the gay-related immuno deficiency, could we be nearing the end of the struggle? at the table with me, karen finney, katrina vanden heuvel, and christopher m macdonald-dennis. i want to start with you, chris. >> how are you, melissa? >> i'm great. we should let people know that

we're twitter friends, and thus the smiles between the two of us. but your personal story and your work around hiv is part of how we actually became twitter friends, how i got to sort of follow the work have you been doing, just reflect for me a bit on your own story around hiv and sort of where you see -- where we are at this moment. >> sure. i was diagnosed with hiv 16 years ago, it was march 10, 1996. a day as probably you can all imagine that i will never, ever forget, and i was really fortunate, because i was diagnosed right when protease inhibitors came on the market. i'vasymptomatic for a long time. my current virus load is undetectable. one of the things i wanted to do in working with young people especially is to help them think about the choices.

i often reflect on why i made the choices that i did, not to use condoms. so i often want students to really reflect upon issues of self-este self-esteem, issues of prevention, really remembering this is a disease that impacts us in this country. one of the things that i do find now is a lot of my students really think of thisñi now as a african disease or in developing nations, and they sometimes forget it still impacts us in this country. >> let me show this to the table. that notion this is an african disease, i will never forget this moment in the w/]-2004 vi presidential debate. let's take a listen. >> i want to talk to you about aids and not about aids in china or africa, but aids right here in this country, where black women between the ages of 25 and 44 are 13 times more likely to die of the disease than their counterparts, what should the

government's role be in helping to end the growth of this epidemic? >> here in the united states, we made significant progress, i had not heard those numbers with respect toç african-american women. >> first with respect to what's happening in africa, russia, and other places around the world, the vice president spoke about the $15 billion in aid, john kerry and i believe that needs to be doubled. >> both of them were like say what? karen, have you been doing work overseas and here domestically. i thought, oh,ñr my gosh, we're nowhere near solving this problem if we don't know it exists. >> cdc, 1 in 5 people living with hiv is unaware of their infection. we're talking about 56,000 people each year becoming infected in the united states. and we are seeing it in community of color, those rates are increasing by staggering numbers, particularly with african-american and latino youth who, you know, now there

is this idea since people don't look as sick when they are on the drugs, kids think, oh, if i get it, i'll just go on the drugs. african-americans are more likely to think there is a cure. there is no cure. the sooner it is diagnosed, the more chance we have to save your life and yet there is still the stigma that prevents people from getting tested. >> the stigma, the value of chr chris' work. the alarming statistics, after men having sex with men, it's african-american women. a lot of it has to do with poverty, lack of access to health care, but also the shredding of the social safety net. anfç the ryan white care act, when that was passed, there was a commitment that people would have access to medicine. that has been shredded in many ways and if it hadn't been for president obama, you would have seen more cuts.

you had a great idea, if it's permissible to bring in something that was said outside of air this morning, the african-american churches, such pillars in community around this country, maybe instead of railing against president obama's stance on equality, same-sex marriage and abortion, might open their doors after services for testing in their community, which play a great role in increasing access. >> i love these ideas, chris, have you one as well. i want to come back. as we come right back, we'll talk about exactly these rates, particularly in our nation's capital in washington, d.c., and try to think about how do we do the wrap around services? how do we make the story better for everybody? this is new york state. we built the first railway, the first trade route to the west, the greatest empires. then, some said, we lost our edge. well today, there's a new new york state. one that's working to attract businesses and create jobs.

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been made against the aids en epidemic. progress is not equal across the board. african-americans made up 44% of the new infections in 2009, the latest figures we have available. last week, the dc -- the washington, d.c. departmentxd o health, while there was an overall drop in infection, it remained the highest incident rate in the country. and the rate for heterosexual african-american women in d.c.'s poorest areas nearlyç doubled, rising to 12.1%. this reflects the trend in wider testing but could suggest a still rising infection rate. with us, karen finney, the nation katrina vanden heuvel and christopher macdonald-dennis of mcallister college. the question of wrap around services. each year on testing day, you

tweet out your own personal story and part of it has to do not only with anti viral medications, but about community, about housing, about issues of incarceration, about issues of kind of sort of mental health. all of those things together, when we're talking about testing, around hiv. >> right. i think that, you know, one of the things about this epidemic is that it really touches upon everything this society does not want to talk about. so we have to talk about poverty, about race. we have to talk about homelessness, we have to talk about sex. and particularly, men having sex with other men, which is something we really never want to talk about. so i think that one of the reasons i tweet out my story is that i want to tell people we aren't ever really going to be able to ever deal with this epidemic in a productive way if we're not able to have those conversations, and then to make sure we have the level of

community that we need to also support each other. >> and, igor, isn't it possible for -- not just community in sort of a vague sense, but literally asç katrina said the safety net would help provide that. some of the is in the affordable care act? >> we really have come a long way. hillary clinton laid out a plan for an aids free generation. with affordable care act, no more premium variations for those with hiv aids, no moran you'll lifetime limits. medicaid expansion for those people to get services and community health centers, $11 billion has already gone out to community health centers, particularly in d.c. you see it moving in the right direction, and the prevention fund, and youñi see republicans try to chip every time. they try to take it out of prevention fund which makes

investments in that. >> particularly for the black community, we are losing our young men and women and the latino community to this disease, because we're so afraid to talk about it. >> we're dying, because we don't want to have the conversation. >> we'll talk about guns, we'll talk about drugs, but we won't talk about testing and prevention. how about instead of having black ministers railing against marriage equality, you don't have to talk about homosexuality, talk about the importance of getting tested, the same way tested for diabetes or heart disease. it should be seen as prevention and a part of staying healthy and being healthy, rather than that -- it's killing our people. >> the last word on this. you are -- you always are often running this conversation on college campuses. what should the conversation sound like in the broader community? >> iç think that we have to -- one, we have to remember that hiv and aids still impacts us. we have to be willing to -- for

me as a gay man of color, i -- i think i can really only talk about my part, so i would say as someone who is viewed as an elder in that community, i want to say to especially young black and brown men who are gender loving or gay, i love you. i love you enough that i want you to protect yourself, so i think we need to be willing to have an honest conversation, while i'm coming from that community, we all need to talk about -- we need to remember that these issues we need to face. >> chris, thank you so much.ç

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40%. financial security is important, but it's only an outward manifestation of the american dream. freedom itself is both more elusive and complicated. our founding is not an acquisition and merger story, at least not solely that, our founding is an unlikely narrative of young men, so inspired by an age of ideas that they threw off the yoke of colonialism and founded a free nation. men who were embarrassingly imperfect. the land on which they formed this union was stolen. the hands with which they built this nation were enslaved. the women who birthed the citizens of the nation are second class, but all of this is our story, each of us benefits from the residuals of oppression and each of success harmed by the realities of inequality. this is the imperfect fabric of our nation, at times we've torn and stained it, and at other moments, we mend and repair it

but it's ours, all of it. the genocide and the slavery but also the hope and the belief that best days lie ahead of us. the favorite independence day story this week is about a group that is not technically çfree. a class of 27 inmates who received their geds tuesday at the correctional facility on rikers island. they hold fast to the optimistic belief that education, hard work and second chances are the stuff of america. and that they have a right to take part in the dream. of the graduation, corrections department commissioner said we are about rebuilding the past and building futures. so on the 4th of july, i'm going to think of the rikers island graduates, and i'm going to wave a flag without hesitation, not because i've forgotten my nation's many wrongs, because i remember them. and i am nonetheless proud of my

country, not because of perfection, because the alt alternative is too graeme. all deserve freedom, and all have the right to pursue happiness. that is a dream worth celebrating, with fireworks and that's our show for today. thank you to karen finney, katina vanden heuvel and igor volsley. coming up, "weekends with alex witt." [ male announcer ] wouldn't it be cool

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million people without power and air conditioning, following this weekend's mid-atlantic çóstorms. crews restoringç power in eigh states and washington, d.c. the damage is catastrophic and admit power could be out for a week in certain places, falling trees are blamed for many of thi 13 deaths across the region. president obama is offering federal assistance and funds to local responders, and people are spending today viewing the damage and cleaning up debris in very hot conditions. farther south, atlanta escaped storms, but lived up to its nickname, hotlanta, reaching an all-time high. with a look at today's temperatures, weather channel meteorologist ray stagich joins me now. >> thanks, richard. more heat the big weather story as we head through the south central part of the u.s. big dome of high pressure in place. large and in charge. take a look at numbers from yesterday, and in some cases, all-time record-high temperatures . over 40 daily records, at