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knigh knight". k can usa reports as police arrived they saw people rushing out of the theater. some in such bad shape police put them in the back of cruisers and rushed them to hospital themselves. 50 people are being treated in at least four local hospitals. the youngest victim is a 3-month-old baby. kusa just reported the baby has been released from the hospital. police say the suspected gunman was found near a car behind the theater. the police chief says a gas mask and multiple weapons were found inside the car. the suspect was taken into custody. that suspect told police about possible explosives in his home, believed to be this apartment building in aurora. local and federal authorities entered the home approximately 90 minutes ago. the president released a statement saying, quote, michelle and i are shocked and saddened by the horrific and tragic shooting in colorado. federal and local law
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enforcement are still responding. my administration will do everything we can do to support the people of aurora in this extraordinarily difficult time. we are committed to bringing whoever was responsible to justice, ensuring the safety of our people and caring for those who have been wounded. mitt romney released a statement. ann and i are saddened by the news of the senseless violence that took the lives of 15 people in colorado and injured dozens more. we are praying for the families and loved ones of the victim during this time of shock and grief. we expect the person responsible for the terrible crime will be brought to justice. both romney and the obama campaigns say the candidates will go on with events but expect shortened remarks and attention -- both of them will bring attention to the colorado tragedy. warner brothers released a statement. warrer brothers is deeply saddened to learn about this shocking incident. we extend our sincere sympathies to the families and loved ones of the victims at this tragic time. the paris premiere of the batman movie scheduled for tonight has
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been cancelled by warner brothers. kusa news is on the scene at the century theater in aurora. the parking lot outside. what new information have you learned in the last few minutes? >> reporter: good morning. perhaps the word folks are using this morning is chaotic. that's what they described inside the theater. we talked with a number of folks that were inside and outside at the time they heard gunfire go off. one man heard more than 50 gunshots within a ten-minute period. at that point, dozens, if not hundreds of people ran out of the theater at once. he said he saw blood coming down from their face, hands and all over their bodies. one lady said she was just plain lucky. she was supposed to be in the theater but her friend's credit card was declined. when they got some money they went to the 12:10 a.m. showing in theater 8.
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at that point a police officer walked in with a gun and said, everybody get out of here. you were talking about this earlier about how people thought that was part of the movie. they thought it was a gimmick that happened during the showing of the movie. they realized once everybody was rushing out, the lady said she saw a woman who had bullet wounds in her and she was screaming. a lot of folks were crying at the time as well. she said she stared into a lady's eyes and said she'll never forget the look of horror she saw out here. at this hour, we are still waiting to hear from the chief of police from the aurora police department who is going to update us on the latest information. as you said, 14 people have died in this incident. ten inside the theater, four at nearby hospitals. 50 were wounded. a chaotic scene out here when police officers, because they couldn't get ambulances here fast enough, had to bring victims to the hospitals as fast as they can. one other thing out here that's
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eerie this morning and i'm not sure if you can hear it in the background but there is a siren going off. that's the siren from inside the movie theater. when everything e happened in the middle of the night around midnight, 12:30 in the morning, that alarm went off. still at this hour, 7:00 in the morning you are still hearing that thing. they have the place completely roped off. fbi and everybody else is out there. still an active scene. you aren't seeing a lot of folks witnessing this one. >> everybody believes that mr. holmes didn't have help. that he acted alone. >> reporter: you know, that was the scary part for folks. there was rumors at one point that there was a second person involved. from what police say he was wearing a costume, so everybody was looking at everybody else in the theater wearing a costume, obviously being a batman movie, a lot of folks were dressed up. nobody knew what was going on. as they were leaving the theater, everybody thought there was an explosive device in the
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parking lot. everybody was being rushed away from the parking lot. nobody knew what was going on. now police are saying it appears that only one person was involved in this. clearly in the middle of the night talking with witnesses everybody thought there was more than one person involved. >> kevin torres with kusa. thank you very much. we'll check back in. nicole williams is with the swedish medical center, a level one trauma center in the denver area. she joins us now by phone. i understand you have -- how many patients do you have from the aurora movie theater in your hospital now? >> sure. throughout the course of the events we have received four patients. one of those patients we received a few hours after the initial influx. that was a 19-year-old female with shrapnel wounds. she has been treated and released. at this time we have three patients in our hospital. we have an 18-year-old male who is in fair condition. a 20-year-old male in critical
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condition, and a 29-year-old female in critical condition. >> you said shrapnel. that implies that this was not gunshots. so this is not just gunshots, bullets that these victims were hit with. obviously there was some sort of explosive device? >> we're really unclear as to what really happened in the theater that could have caused them. she didn't have any direct bullet wounds. she literally had other wounds that appeared to be caused from shrapnel or just from chaos in the theater. they were very minor injuries. she was treated and released almost immediately. >> have you been able to tell what kind of bullets were used in this or anything like that that you can tell us more about? >> we have not. the 18-year-old male who was listed under fair condition had injuries to his exe tremendous -- extremities.
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the male and female in critical condition are in surgery. we are waiting on updates on the extent of their injuries. >> i appreciate this from the swedish medical center. thank you very much for your updates. if you can, we'll check back in. >> thank you. >> joining men ining me on the congressman, do you have any information? >> i spoke to the chief of police 15, 20 minutes ago. the comments i was hearing about shrapnel, i didn't hear about that in my conversation with him. what we know, a lot of people were killed and a lot of people were wounded by a crazed son of a gun. i used a cuss word last time i said that. i will try to clean up my language a little bit. >> tell us about aurora.
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i know a little bit about it. i have described it. it would be out of central casting of an american suburb. is that how you would describe aurora? >> yeah. it's a suburban community with some very high tech pieces. the medical campus where the c.u. medical school is, children's hospital. we are building a new v.a. medical center for the rocky mountain west there. we have buckley air base, a very high tech air base in the city. so it's a suburban community but with a big aerospace and medical feature to it. >> congressman, have you learned anything more about the suspect, what his motives were? has law enforcement shared that with you? [ dial tone ]
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>> sounds like we just lost him. we'll try to get him back. if not, thank you for coming on. one of those days when you have constant news and constant phoners and these things happen. we are expecting a press conference at any time from the me medical sent of aurora. that's one of the areas where victims are being treated. we'll continue to follow the breaking news. next, justice correspondent pete williams and former fbi profiler clint van zant to tell us more about what we are learning about the shooter.
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you some tape of an eyewitness inside the theater who earlier this morning in the aurora, colorado, suburb of denver where they heard the shots, where they were describing the scene. first i want to go to nbc's justice correspondent pete williams. pete, you have identified the suspect. it's james holmes. law enforcement has. we know where he lives. we know that federal authorities have gone into his apartment where he says he may have had more explosives. what more do we know about mr. holmes? do we e know where he grew up, where he went to school? where did he work? what other pieces of information are trickling out? >> it's premature to say they have gone into his apartment. they are gingerly taking the window off the outside of the apartment building. we can see firemen on a hook and ladder boom trying to pull the window frame away to clear the way for them to go in. the reason they think there are explosives there is that's what
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james holmes told authorities when he was arrested. consider one of the odd things about this horrible situation is after committing this act he apparently stood outside the theater near the car that he drove to get there and was arrested right there on the scene. he didn't turn the gun on himself or try to run away. he was born december 13, 1987. apparently lived in the aurora area for at least the last year. he was not, we are told, chuck, on any kind of watch list or any list of people to be concerned about. no list of extremist groups or any connection apparently with a terror group. in fact, the aurora police department, we checked the colorado records. there is no record of any previous run-in with the law except the aurora police department says last year he got a traffic ticket. that's their only known contact with him. he's not connected with the military. no military history, the authorities say.
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the pentagon confirms that as well. his parents live in san diego and the san diego police and federal authorities are talking to them as well. >> talking about the weapons that he used, we just got a report from a hospital spokeswoman who said they dealt with one victim that they have since released who had shrapnel wounds. not just gunshot. what do we know about the canister he used? did it set off something? >> no. it's apparently teargas. typical in these situations there is conflicting information about the weapons recovered at the scene. we were told there were four. the aurora police department says three. a rifle, handgun and a gas mask. we were told there were two handguns and two rifles and that one of the rifles was a shotgun. a shotgun doesn't fire conventional rounds. it fires little round metal
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pellets that look like bee bees. that could be what the hospital is seeing if he fired the shotgun. >> how long did he shoot in the theater? what's the timeline when he first started shooting to get off as many rounds as he did? >> the police department said the first call they got was at 12:39 mountain time this morning. that would have been shortly after the shooting. i don't know how long the shooting went on. i think that's going to take a good deal of time to talk to witnesses to figure that out. >> pete williams, i will let you get back to doing actual reporting. we'll check back in later. thank you, sir. on the phone, i have officer frank fania from the aurora police department. let me start with the question i was asking pete williams. do we have a sense of how long the incident itself took place, how long did mr. holmes or allegedly did mr. holmes or the actual gunman, if it's not him,
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sit there and spray this theater? >> good morning. i heard you guys talking about that briefly. i don't know. i know the call came in at 12:39. i'm only guessing the calls started coming in immediately after the shooting started. i have been asked how long it took us to get here. this theater is literally two blocks away from the main police headquarters. we have numerous officers in assignments scheduled to get off at 1:00 a.m. we had a bunch of officers in the area. witnesses said it seemed like an immediate response. i'm guessing less than a minute. to answer the question how long he was shooting, i don't know. witnesses did state it went on for k-- i'm trying to think of the words. but it lasted quite some time. was that ten seconds? i don't know how long that was. >> i'm sure for some of them it end es up in slow motion. every second feels like a minute. >> exactly. >> explain what officers are
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doing now. i know you set up at an area high school, a place where you are interviewing eyewitnesses. can you tell us more about what you are up to? >> the ones going to the high school, number one to interview witnesses. there was just a huge crowd. we didn't have any place or any way to get them away from the theater initially. we brought in buses to take them all there as well as it's a point for family and friends of people who were at the theater to be reunited. we had people showing up here wondering where their loved ones were. hopefully that's a spot to be e reunited at. >> are you convinced mr. holmes is the only person involved? >> convinced -- you know, very early on we were confident he acted alone. that's something we are digging into. we did an immediate sweep of the area, the mall close by we were looking for other possible
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suspects. now we are just digging in to him and making sure there was no one else involved in this horrible tragedy. >> all right. officer fania with the aurora police department, thank you for your time. now i want to go to jennifer sieger. she was in the movie theater, in theater 9 when this took place. jennifer, thanks for joining me. you must feel shell-shocked this morning. describe what you saw. >> yeah, definitely. as far as i could see, you know, i was in the front -- the second front row. he had come in on the right side of me through an exit door. he was about four or five feet away from me with a rifle. that's what i saw. >> you saw him come in before he started shooting. you saw the person come in. >> yes, i did. >> mr. holmes came in the door. what did you think when you saw him with a gun. >> i thought he was part of a prop or was being theatrical, that it was part of the show. since it was the midnight
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premiere. i didn't know he was seriously a bad guy. you know what i mean. he came in and he was in full gear because they have things in the movie where they are dressed up kind of like that. he threw the grenade of gas and it exploded and there was all this gas. i thought, that was a special effect. no one knew what to think. he shot up in the ceiling and everybody knew it was real. it was just chaos. everybody started to run, scream. at that point he went from here to here with a gun in my face at that point. that rifle was in my face. i honestly can't kn lly didn't think. i jumped forward, ducked inside the middle of the aisle and tucked in a corner. he was shooting people behind me. i had gun shells falling on my head, burning my forehead. all i smelled was powder. it was terrifying. i was telling my friends, stay still until he walks up the stairs. then we'll crawl and get out of here. he walked up the stairs and i heard gunshot after gunshot.
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there were women and children screaming. it was just really terrifying. at that point, he was a really big guy. he was terrifying. he was wearing a gas mask. he had a kevlar kind of suit. he looked like a s.w.a.t. guy, like he was in the military. he had a vest on -- >> how long did this go on? how long was he shooting? was he spraying, aiming? >> it felt like -- he was just shooting at random. people trying to run away. if they got up, dove or anything he was just shooting. he didn't have an agenda. anybody in his way he was going to shoot. i honestly can't tell you a time frame. it felt like forever. it was probably 10, 15 minutes in reality. it was the most insane thing. there were little kids in there getting shot. 6-year-old kids, babies even. i'm 22 years old. he spared me. why me? don't take that little kid. take me instead. that was the hardest thing for me to see.
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when i was crawling out i was having a hard time breathing because of the teargas or whatever he put through. i said, i'm going to suffocate if i can't get out of here. we were just crawling. everybody trying to get out was getting shot through the exit doors. so they kept running back in. it was a back and forth thing. i was one of the last people that got to leave as far as that goes. on my way out all i see is dead bodies, people that were lifeless. like a 14-year-old girl was on the stairs. i don't know how old she was. but that's how old she was to me and she was lifeless. i bumped into a guy on the way out. i have emt training. i felt a guy's pulse. he had a weak pulse. i was trying to drag him out. right when i did that everybody was like, no, the gunman is coming. i ran for the hills as far as that goes. in there it was pure chaos. the guy was shooting one after the other.
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people say how many gunshots, i can't put a number on it. 50s, 40s. i don't know. all you hear is screaming and gunshots. it was the most terrifying thing i have seen. >> i can't imagine having to go through that. thanks for sharing your story this morning. we'll talk with you again. >> yeah. thank you. >> we are expecting a press conference at any time from the medical center of aurora. that's just one of several hospitals where victims of the shooting are being treated. we'll get an update on the victims being treated there. we are following breaking news from colorado. we'll be right back. >> time for the your business entrepreneur of the week. ohio based interior designer pamela behr was doing well serving big corporate customers when the work stopped coming she had to rethink her business plan, diversifying by thinking big and small. she made sure every customer knew they were valuable to her.
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answer new abc news apparently spoke with james holmes's mother. his parents live in san diego. all she said was, you have the right person. i need to call the police. i need to fly out to colorado. just hearing that from the mother of james holmes, hearing what you are piecing together. that's a piece of the puzzle, i assume. what does that tell you? >> well, if we look at the tea leaves or read between the lines, whatever we want to call it, one might pull from that that the mother may have known there were some issues or challenges with her son. it could be something as simple as she knew he was going to this premiere movie event or it could be something deeper or far more sinister that she knew there were emotional challenges there. we know this was a preplanned event. this guy had to buy a ticket,
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one would assume in advance. he had to assemble clothing, uniform, helmet, gas mask, get the gas grenade, the weapons. he had to put all of this together. he didn't just fall off a tur p nip truck to do this. is this just the terrible collision between some dark trekky-like person's fantasy world and reality. or is it more sinister? is there a political, religious or other type of motivation other than just someone with emotional challenges. >> are you surprised that so far it appears james holmes acted alone? >> no. you know, this is so dramatic. this is so drastic. chuck, you and i have covered stories like virginia tech, ft.
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ho hood. we looked at the shooting of congresswoman gabrielle giffords. all of these are what the fbi director and others have said is their worst fear, the lone wolf person. whether he or she is an international terrorist or a person with a rich fantasy world and they choose to act out. if someone chooses to commit an act, they do it by themselves, they get no involvement by anyone else, that is the worst possible person to stop, chuck. >> the other thing about james holmes is no criminal record. you know, nothing in his past so far that's been dug up that suggests he was on the road to something like this so far. does that surprise you? >> no. again, it doesn't necessarily. again, if you look at the history of mass shootings and the united states the vast majority of these individuals for whatever their final
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motivation, did not have a significant history in the criminal justice system. what law enforcement needs to find out right now is did he act alone? did anybody else have knowledge of this or any indication he was going to do this and was there or is there a part two to this, chuck? we know he suggested he had explosives in his car and in his apartment. that's why the fbi and atf are being so careful going through this. could there be some explosive device planted somewhere else that still waiting to go off? that's why i think law enforcement is moving so fast on this one. >> right. clint van zandt, the analyst we turn to in events like these. we'll check back in. thank you, sir. we are expecting a press conference at any time now from the medical center of aurora. we'll bring that to you live when it happens.
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let's send you to the aurora medical center where you are hearing from spokeswoman tracy weiss. >> the phone number to call is 303-872-5292. that's the best number for them to call. 303-872-5292. i'm going to pass it over to dr. lansville for a status update. >> good morning. we started receiving patients at about 1:00 this morning. some of the initial patients arrived by police vehicle.
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some of the most critically ill were immediately seen, evaluated and taken to surgery. we received 15 patients from this incident, 12 of which had gunshot wounds. three of which had some sort of fume, chemical exposure. at this point we have admitted seven patients to the hospital. four, as i said, have gone to the operating room emergently. those patients are alive. we have had no fatalities so far. we have two pending surgery this morning as well. we have had four total patients discharged. we don't anticipate any further patients from this incident, but we are always prepared. as a level 2 trauma center we have an internal disaster program we implemented after 1:00 a.m. we were able to mobilize surgeons and physicians and staff from the rest of the hospital to attend to the most critically ill patients. i'm happy to say we had no fatalities so far. i can answer any questions you have. >> can you describe the nature of the wounds?
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>> most of the injuries were, again, gunshot wounds. they varied from wounds to the chest, abdomen and trunk to extremity wounds. they appear to be of high caliber. >> how are the medical staff holding up? we talked about how nobody has seen anything like this. >> i don't know how you can prepare for such a thing. the staff did an excellent job. they mobilized. did what they have been trained to do. they are starting to settle down a little bit. there is a program here and support staff to go through a debriefing and support the patients and families and the staff that took care of them. >> we heard there was a 3-month-old. >> i don't have any information on anybody that young seen at this facility. >> are there kids here? >> there were teenagers here. we don't have anybody younger than that. >> what is this like for your
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staff? i imagine they see everything. when something like this happens, i'm sure -- [ inaudible ] >> we have served the community for years and we are always prepared. this is something outside the scope of what we routinely see. they banded together and did a very, very good job. >> you were here last night. can you describe what the scene was like as the patients start coming in? >> there is a lot of uncertainty at the initial stages. so there was a lot of chaos at the beginning. everybody settled down and we took the patients rather rapidly assessed them, assessed their needs, many of which were treated immediately and taken to surgery. >> are there still people in critical condition here? >> there are four in critical condition i'm aware of at this point. >> what about the exposure issues? >> we think it was some sort of teargas type situation. we don't have a specific identification at this time.
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but the patients that we did see had burning skin, burning eyes, burning and irritation to the nose and mouth. those three patients were seen, decontaminated and have been discharged. >> you mentioned this is still a critical time. they have gone this far. are they over the hump yet or is there still more precarious times. >> this is certainly a difficult time for a lot of patients. we are optimistic. excellent surgeons here taking care of the patients. at this point, no fatalities. again, we are at very early stages. [ inaudible question ] >> those in critical condition, the information i have -- back and torso and abdomen. that's as far as detail i have at this point. >> i imagine -- distraught out here. -- there or are they assuming
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this has some kind of -- >> we have a staging area in the hospital where families are being received. we have support counselors available to them as well. those patients whose family have been advised and are at the bedside or awaiting them arriving on the floor. >> talk to me about -- something like -- you guys making sure -- >> certainly that's beyond the scope of my knowledge. we just take care of life threatening injuries and wounds. as far as anything forensic, that's -- what i do as an emergency physician. >> you were saying -- at this point. >> at this point, no. i don't have updated information on those creditically ill. >> any of these patients --
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>> i don't have -- >> we have been listening to the press conference at the aurora medical center. as you heard from dr. frank lansville they have treated at least 15 victims of the shooting. the good news he reported they have not had a single fatality of anybody they have been treating. they have folks that will be in surgery with critical wounds. so far, again, no fatalities in that facility and they have treated almost half of the victims. we'll have more on the breaking news. the president is expected to address this tragedy later today. we're going live to the white house next. the president changed his schedule already in light of the shooting. we'll be right back. and every footstep should tell us we made the right decision. so when we can feel our way through the newest, softest, and most colorful options... ... across every possible price range... ...our budgets won't be picking the style. we will.
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>> he's keeping one part of th schedule which is flying from palm beach. he's in the air now on his way to ft. myers. but the tone, everything is changing. tell me more. >> well, given the fact and the context that these were campaign events, not a big surprise here. the president truncating his trip to florida. he's been there two days. he was awoken this morning at 5:26 by john brennan the adviser on homeland security. when the president was advised of the tragic events in colorado. we have since, as the morning progressed and everyone has tried to figure out what the president would do in retrospect a no-brainer. he's going to
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on april 20, 1999. aurora, colorado sits on the southeast outskirts of denver. in many ways it would be central casting's version of a typical american suburb. the city's website shows the local gardens, golf course, aurora's population according to the 2010 census, median household income of $49,000. 62% of residents there own their own homes. now the community is dealing with this tragedy. tom costello grew up in colorado, spent six years at kusa joins me by phone. of course the capitol hill correspondent kelly o'donnell who covered the columbine shootings is here with me. tom, let me start with you. how did i do describing aurora? what can you do? do you have context about aurora, colorado? >> i grew up in denver. you're right. i spent six years at kusa in denver as a reporter. if you have flown into denver chances are you have driven through aurora. it's part of the metro area.
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it's hard to distinguish when you are driving out of denver into aurora. it's the huge metro area and it's very suburban. i've got to tell you as a coloradoan and i still consider myself one at heart this is revolting, sickening. i think a lot of coloradoans are wondering why us again? it's not just columbine, of course, where 12 students were killed and a teacher. when i was at kusa tv i covered a massacre at a chuck e. cheese where a gunman killed three kids and an adult. there was a massacre in 2001 where a gunman walked into a christian missionary type of school and opened fire and killed people. now this one. i must say i'm asking this as a coloradoan. i think we have to ask ourselves, is there something about our state that, you know, tends to -- i don't know if it's the old west.
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i don't know if it's a sense of isolation among certain young men. i don't know if it's a gun culture in parts of the state. we have had a disproportionate number of mass murders. i think a lot of people will be asking why us again. it's just sickening and revolting. >> tom, heartfelt comments from you. kelly, you covered columbine. it shook the entire state. shook the nation at the time. this one, you're probably having flashbacks. >> absolutely. first thing i thought of. there is a multiplier effect. when you get beyond the immediate families going through the crisis, there are so many other people affected. we'll learn the stories of the victims and then it becomes their extended families, the business community, the people who work at the theater. it travels out in a ripple. people are deeply affected by this, not just for the week or so when this is a big story, but for years. i went back to columbine at the six-month mark, the one-year
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mark. you see the progression in how people deal with the grief and what it means to a community. columbine, just the word is associated with that. >> you right? >> and who wants that? tom, talk about that psyche. we're going to stop covering this in a week in the way that we cover it now, but kelly just brought up a good point. you say the word columbine and it automatically triggers a bad memory for people. >> i grew up on south columbine way in littleton. the columbine is the state flower. it's a beautiful, beautiful flower, but of course now, the image you conjure up is columbine high school. kelly is absolutely right. i think that incident left deep, deep scars in the psyche of colorado. i know news anchors in the denver area who were so deeply affected by this -- news anchors, now, these are not the people who, of course, had their children in the school, but news
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anchors who had the psychological counseling because of how hurtful this was and how awful it was. i got to tell you, when i covered the massacre at that chuck e. cheese, i was really -- it really affected me deeply. i remember breaking down and crying in the parking lot of that chuck e. cheese when i was surrounded by all these kids who had lost their friends, and it was just awful. so i think that this is -- kelly is absolutely right. the effect on this state, the effect on the people will last for many, many, many years. it's just a terrible tragedy. >> kelly, we know congress is sort of reacting and they frankly never know how to react to a situation like this. >> it's difficult. you have members who put out statements because they want to show sympathy and concern and a pledge to find out what happened. politics should quiet down, as it should. >> kelly o'donnell, tom costello speaking as a coloradoan and as a member of our team. thank you, tom. thank you, kelly. more of the breaking news coming
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up next. we'll have another eyewitness interview in a minute after the break.
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more now on how this shooting unfolded inside the century theatre there, theatre number 9. i now have with me tanner kuhn, 17 years old. he was at the shooting. tell me what you saw and what you heard. >> about 30 minutes into the movie, i heard a canister trail some smoke. i thought it was some kind of prank, and there was a blast and a flash. i thought it was a firework, but did happened to be gunshots which i realized a couple gunshots later. i told my friends to get onto the ground and i sat there and waited. there was a pause where i assumed he was reloading his magazine. i poked my head up above the seats, and he started shooting again, so i put it down. after the gunshots all stopped, everyone tried to race for the exit at the top of the theatre.
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i went into the row above me. i was four rows from the top. i went to the row above me. i slipped on some blood and landed on a lady. i shook the lady, told her we need to get up, you need to go, and there was no response, so i presumed she was dead and hurried and got myself out of there with my friends. >> have you spoken to police? have you already been interviewed by the police? >> yes, i have. >> well, we will let you go. i can't imagine having to go through something like this, tanner kuhn. thanks for sharing your story with us this morning. that's it for this edition of the daily rundown. of course, we're going to have continuing coverage of this story all day long on msnbc. stay with us. [ male announcer ] it's simple physics... a body at rest tends to stay at rest...
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shooting at a movie theatre in aurora. the gunman entered an emergency door after midnight, left some tear gas and started shooting. at least 12 people are dead, 50 hurt, and those numbers are fluctuating as new information comes in. we will keep you updated on that. police say they have a suspect in custody, and federal officials describe him as 24-year-old james holmes, and right now local and federal authorities are on the scene at what's believed to be the suspect's apartment. meanwhile, witnesses are describing the horrific scene. >> the young girl that i saw when i first came out, i want to know that she's okay because she looked pretty bad. she was -- she looked real hurt and she was pretty young, you know. i just want to know that she's all right. >> as far as i could see, there was a lot of kids there, like 12-year-old kids, 14-year-old kids. there was a 6-year-old there that got shot. when i went in there and i was
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trying to escape, there was a little girl who was like, i don't know, 12, 14, just laying lifeless on the stairs. >> i'm furious about the person that done this. i don't understand why people do things like this, you know. it's crazy, it's disgusting. >> now, this hour we are covering a number of key angles on the shooting. shortly a profile of the shooter, how and why he undertook this massacre. we'll talk to fbi profiler chris van zandt. then we'll break down the timeline of exactly what happened and when with this action. and we'll go to aurora to speak to one of the hospitals that took in the people this morning. we'll hear the latest on those in critical condition. let's go to analyst and criminal profiler chris van zandt. unfortunately, we've seen this before. what is your take on what happened so far? >> well, obviously we know the tragedy that's taken place and concealed within the dead and wo