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"morning joe" starts right now. romo flushed out of the pocket, throwing on the run, wide opening making the catch. >> that's the america that we i want to nominate a man could be. but that's not the america that who's cool on the outside, but we should be and it's not who we are. >> here goes bradshaw and a good time for the running game to who burns for america on the inside. kick into gear. >> no governor romney, corporations are not people. by the way, after last night, i >> short drop by romo. want a man who had the good to the outside he goes. sense to marry michele obama. and it is miles austin for the touchdown. >> cute. >>. ♪ yesterday's gone yesterday's gone ♪ welcome back to "morning joe." ♪ don't stop thinking about tomorrow ♪ it is top of the hour. we're live at the blackfinn >> president obama started with saloon. does anybody here need a cup of a much weaker economy than i black coffee this morning? katty kay, she's still -- well did. listen to me now. okay. she's here. joining us on the set, nbc new's no president, no president, not tom brokaw.

good morning. me, not any of my predecessors, host of nbc's "the last word on" msnbc lawrence o'donnell. no one could have fully repaired lawrence -- >> good to be here. >> good to have you here. all the damage that he found in i can't wait to hear everything just four years. you have to say. >> okay. will you be taking notes this time? >> oh, yeah, i would. >> msnbc political analyst and contributor richard wolffe. and washington anchor for bbc world news america, katty kay. >> welcome to "morning joe" live from the democratic national katty, still lit up this morning. how are you doing? >> couple more espressos, i'll convention. we make the blackfinn salon our be doing fine. >> we're hurting. home here for the entire week in but maybe not as much as bob charlotte, north carolina. >> boy, that's a line, isn't it? >> >> yeah, it is. rubin, perhaps. >> bob rubin. with us on set here at the bar, >> oh, my gosh. >> there was a party at the top we have msnbc and "time" of the hotel yesterday that has magazine senior political analyst mark halperin, national a very sleek, modern hotel, and affairs editor for new york the glass is not exactly clear magazine and msnbc political analyst john heilemann and in terms of where you are walk pulitzer-prize winning historian through and step next. jon meacham the author of so bob, former secretary of the "thomas jefferson, the art of treasury, has a lot of people power." meacham, good to have you on around him, stepped confidently board this morning. into the party room and deeply >> thank you, ma'am. >> you look very elegant and into the pool. >> oh, wow.

we're at at bar. >> i've been here since last >> wow. >> which proves he no longer night. >> he's a suwannee man. walks on water. >> also proves conventions are a >> i'm not wearing -- well, lot more exciting. >> but the best part of the pastel. >> well -- >> it's very kennebunkport. story is, just walked out of the >> sort of not what you said pool, sat with drinks and before the show. continued talking. we won't go there. >> exactly. >> cool on the outside and cool >> let's ask quickly, john, "the on the inside. >> and on the inside as well. new york times" already this morning is saying that the and lawrence, last night, bill speech last night was a highlight, one of the highlights of bill clinton's career. clinton just lit it up. put last night in perspective >> he did. for us as far as historically they had him slotted for 24 for bill clinton and also what minutes. it's going to mean for the rest of this election? that's what they originally scheduled it for. >> well, most real-life he did exactly double that. one calculation, houston posthumous blessings come from chronicle did, 40%, 40% of the just endorsements and former presidents great for the party speech, was ab libbed. and he was doing it at the reaching down and reaching into beginning and the end of pretty the present and saying this is much every paragraph in the okay, this is the person who speech and that's where the will carry the torch. speech really got its momentum, here you had a guy offering the that's where it really got all blessing in full paragraphs with of its life. >> so, richard, what did you see everything except white board last night with bill clinton? and power point. we're talking about this divide i thought it was a remarkable speech in the sense of he between republican -- i mean,

continues to hold that between the democratic base, the remarkable capacity he held as democrats on the floor and this president to explain. you can agree or disagree and a very centrist product of the lot of folks like to say he went 1990s. >> well, you know, this was a on too long, but remember that 1995 state of the union where president, president obama, everybody in the press thought, actually still going on -- who -- whose version of health >> it is still going on. care, big thing he bet his >> but he talked for an hour and a half or whatever and the health care on, was a much more political class hated it and centrist approach to health care america loved it. than bill clinton. >> i would always laugh in those funny how the prism on the two early state of the union presidents have shifted. addresses in '95 and '96 he went you have the idea that bill clinton is a pro business on so long, i would watch from president any more than this one the back, go in the cloak room, is a little bit distorted. sleep 30 minutes, i would come we're in different times. we're in -- if we went through a back out and he was still going. kind of 9/11 of economic crisis, and it -- it stunned me that his and there is the precrisis and approval ratings would always shoot up. let's talk about what it means post--crisis mindset. moving forward, mark and jon, that's what president obama has because the reviews last night had to deal with. the rhetoric is different. across the board are pretty stunning. i like the contrast between this certainly people on our network week and last week for loved it. democrats. bill clinton did was paint a you had brit human on fox saying much more optimistic progressive

it -- brit hume on fox saying it future, never mind about the was one of the best speeches progressive politics but an optimistic vision of where this he's ever seen from one of the country is going, whereas last best politicians he's seen. week republicans fell into a trap of saying everything is lavished praise. on cnn, alex cost lan no who ran going to hell, it's not very attractive. that was a big contrast that bill clinton managed to describe romney's campaign four years last night. >> and he really got a rock star ago, saying nice things, saying this is the moment we would look welcome. and by the end, when obama came back and realize that barack out on stage, again, the stage obama secured the november election. craft to this, it was very that a bit of hyperbole, but effective. was it not? apparently this speech, >> it was really a passing of the mantle from the former everybody says it was just president to the current extraordinary. >> i'll start with the cliche. president and, you know, amongst there's no one like bill clinton this kind of an optimistic that's been in our lifetime. vision of the future, that bill clinton painted and, of course, reviving several times, his own what's going to be more potent presidency and how much more positive that had been as well, about last night he's going to take that on the road and when i was struck by how hard he took he gives a version of that, may on the republicans for being give longer versions, last night obstructionists. may be the cliff notes version, this is something that delegates here say they wished the white but when he gives that in des house had done more of, but moines, iowa, or roanoke, which barack obama has kind of, virginia, imagine the press you know, shied away from a coverage he's going to get and little bit, reminding voters of

he's speaking to two audiences just how many times the at once the way he can. middle-class voters, and the republicans have stopped barack base of the democratic party. obama from doing the kinds of things he wanted to do. and the romney campaign has no but bill clinton went straight for it. >> bill clinton countered issue rebuttal. i read a lot of conservative by issue, the core republican question of whether or not americans are better off under commentary, tweets, hoping this storm passes and they don't have president obama, getting one of to deal with bill clinton his biggest applause lines on anymore. the issue of debt. he's going to be on the road doing that in the fall. >> there is no rebuttal, jon, >> the romney plan fails the and i go back to the rich lowry first test of fiscal responsibility. comment, saying i can't remember the numbers just don't add up. republicans crying, which was rich's way i think suddenly of i mean, consider this, what saying, where are our great would you do if you had this speakers? let's go back and look how problem, somebody says we got a big debt problem, we have to quickly things -- how rapidly things have changed over the reduce the debt. past couple years. what's the first thing he says we're going to do. four years ago, in south to reduce the debt we'll have another $5 trillion in tax cuts. carolina, the obama team painted bill clinton as a racist, as a heavily weighted to upper income people. so we'll make the debt hole bigot, as a race baiter, and bigger before we start to get out of it. here we are four years later, bill clinton coming on the now, when you say what are you stage, doing some pretty going to do about this $5

remarkable things for the man trillion, you just added on, whose team suggested he was a they say we'll make it up, by racist. >> say three things. eliminating loopholes in the tax first thing directly addressing code. that. actually the fact that there is all that bad blood, the fact so then you ask, well, which that he even today bill clinton loopholes and how much? doesn't really like barack obama that much, personally, makes the you know what they say? see me about that after the speech that much more powerful. election. because he's testifying on what now people ask me all the time, his -- >> and he's admitted to brian how we got four surplus budgets williams last night, he told brian williams, we're not close in a row? what new ideas did we bring to friends. washington. >> not good friends. i always give a one word answer. >> it's more powerful to have arithmetic. someone who is a former enemy of yours stand up and make the case for you than someone who's >> so, lawrence, i'm glad you're always been your blood brother. that's the first thing. here, because here we have bill the second thing to the point clinton, the centrist democrat, about romney's campaign not having a rebuttal, it's worse than that. they made, i think, respect to the, you know, the pro business democrat, and i look at bill clinton thinking, and i hear a bill clinton, a huge blunder by lot of republicans saying this, elevating him. they've had clinton in how many oh, he's a good democrat. ads so far, pointed to clinton just like you heard democrats as this is the good kind of say after ronald reagan passed democrat, not barack obama kind away, oh, back when ronald of democrat. they prevalidated bill clinton reagan -- he was a good and now what are you going to republican. but you look at hillary and bill say having elevated clinton as and you go from '93/ '94 when it the good democrat, he now comes

out and makes this case for was the middle -- these guys obama, what will they say, all those ads we ran citing bill have progressed to a -- this new place nobody would have clinton being great on the economy, we're going to trash imagined. him. >> the good democrat that doesn't work. the third thing, one of republicans admire who did the biggest tax increase in history. clinton's great skills never >> and you've got -- actually been the most inspiring >> without a single republican vote. order, inspiration is not his and who then went on a health thing. distillation of the case is his care crusade in which there was thing and the thing that he did last night, where he stood up a conscience, conscience choice and said, here's what the made to not try to get any republican argument is, we made republican votes which is part this huge mess, now this guy of why the whole thing hasn't -- has not fixed it quick collapsed. so there was -- this notion, the enough so put us back in power and then said, no president, compromise was great and it's including me, could have necessary, but there wasn't really that much of it during the clinton administration. repaired all this damage in just as that speech would have suggested. four years. he couldn't stand up there and is it a concise, precise say, here's all the models of where i compromised successfully argument that barack obama has with republicans. >> certainly not in '93 and '94. not made with that level of potency and clarity and the kind of thing that will actually matter to a lot of swing voters >> the world trade agreement and and it makes obama's -- going nafta, two things no one in that audience wants to hear about, back and saying look at the depth of the hole, bill clinton bill clinton did that with is saying that barack obama was republicans in the first two years. in so deep that he couldn't have >> we were asking before, what

fixed it all in four years that does a second obama term look matters. >> the democrats have the most like or a romney term? popular person in the world who happens to be a former president bill clinton figured out at some to have as a weapon here, makes point he just had to deal with you think of who the republicans republicans who were trying to had at their convention and kill him politically, don't you where was george w. bush? of course he was hidden away, think president obama, if he gets re-elected and republicans right? it's awkward to think about. keep the house, is going to -- can you imagine? >> part of that, the fact that everybody in d.c. are going to have to figure out how do they george w. bush doesn't really like politics. take care of the fiscal cliff, >> well, that and -- >> he never has -- how do they fix health care >> and this happens with reform? there's really no option, is presidents. he'll be around four years from there. >> and they will. first of all, they'll have to now, eight years from now, but i probably go off the fiscal cliff on january 1st and then figure thought -- first of all, bill clinton, you're right he's not out some really quick teddy kennedy talking about the legislative fix which both sides are working on. dream. they're working on what do we >> or barack obama. >> or ronald reagan. he's just not that kind of propose on january 2 nd after speaker. he's a good southern lawyer. we've gone off the fiscal cliff. they know that will force them but mark, i wanted to go to into a room and will be the only something you said last night thing that will force them into a room. talking about just how >> richard and katty, why should progressive these delegates are. we believe if president obama does get a second term, things and you suggested that perhaps will be different. if republicans feel like over the first four years it's worked

they're more progressive here to be stubborn and not play than republicans or along, why would they change that tactic over the next four conservatives in tampa. these are really, really liberal years. >> you would think if you keep getting beaten you would change, delegates. but look, this is a president who sat down with john boehner bill clinton, with what he did to do the grand bargain, so the last night coming back, i think idea he hasn't been reaching out reminding a lot of democrats who want to win again, and the here, hasn't reached out to republicans, hasn't taken up their ideas, that's just not "times" talked about this, let's true. what's different is that john remember, we win in the center, boehner could not take his own let's pull back to the center. leadership, never mind his own i think that was a great touch party with him. the question is whether the for this convention too, dynamic in the republican party changes. why would that change, even if especially after elizabeth warren who really sounded -- and they lose this time around. >> you know why it would change? we love elizabeth -- i love her, really sounded progressive, really sounded populace. because the guy and women on wall street, say to him, you >> fantastic. >> in a way that might worry know what, the economy is going some people in the middle of the to go up, the bond traders are electorate. >> with apologies to the people going to turn on the dollar, on sirius xm the republican things are going to get ugly party has moved over here to the fast. right in terms of the tea party at some point katty, reality has to set in. >> when it comes to the fiscal and the party today. what bill clinton did last night cliff that's something they will manage to get fixed in the first was flood his party into the three months of next year. center and push the republicans when it comes to the bigger even further to the right and things that america needs to do kate brown, that barack obama whether where there is going

has for a variety of reasons not have to be compromise on entitlement reform even if mitt been able to -- romney gets elected is he going >> we always hear about the to make the cuts he said he's republican delegates. it's the tea party. going to make if he doesn't have these delegates here, i love the democrats on side? them, but man, they are liberal. it's hard to see how politically he's going to do that or either side to do that. >> have you noticed that? listen, the days of bill clinton in some era when they had this >> no. we can talk about -- great compromise, they got a >> i love them. couple things done. it was also the time of the vast they love us. we walk down the street, they're right wing conspiracy. really kind. >> looking at you -- this is not personal. >> those were the days. i'm just saying, the media is but the thing is, i always talk not reporting that these about how we got so many things delegates are more progressive than any delegates i've seen at right. you know, balance a budget for the first time in a generation, a democratic convention. >> they are. but they listen to, you know, four years in a row for the first time since the 1920s, the classic democrat bill welfare reform, so many things, clinton talk yesterday and he found a way to say stuff they would like and be on board for 21 million new jobs, the and also people at home, the republicans hated the president, swing audience. the president hated the one thing bill clinton did that republicans and we impeached was brilliant as he likes to say him. >> nice move. >> and things kept moving if you see a turtle on a fence toward. >> it's not easy to think of post it didn't get there by a -- >> you did not have the economic itself, he went way into 11:00 crisis that barack obama eastern, 10:00 central, inherited in 2008. it was a different era. everybody who turned on to watch >> we had a chief executive,

local news was going to see bill lawrence, who grew up in a state clinton, unmediated, unfiltered and was governor in a state basically 20-minute, 11:20 republicans tried to kill him infomercial for the democratic politically his entire life and party as a centrist party, the he knew how to navigate those republican party as too far to the right. waters. >> all those people trying to i suspect barack obama's learned avoid the convention, that's how a few things over the past fou years too. they don't -- little they care >> sure. but i guess the real question about politics, forced down their throat by bill clinton. for barack obama's second term >> for all the complaints about is what does the congress look this not being a serious like? how many republicans get campaign, you called it the campaign about nothing, the re-elected? what kind of margins do they hold the house, with what kind "seinfeld" campaign, it was of margins. do they get the senate. about everything last night. it was about issues. if they don't get the senate she wasn't talking about the it's going to be close. so you're left with, joe, you side distractions, gaffes, have to help us with this, what sometimes the press get caught is the republican interpretation up in. of the election. he gave a policy speech, wonky, if president obama wins. going point by point these are is it a repudiation. the things that matter, talking what adjustment do they make? about the economy, jobs, here's that's the adjustment everyone's going to wonder about. what president obama does for >> we have a lot of friends in it. >> speaking for nearly an hour, the white house and we said a long speech, he's done it before, clinton offered a early on, and reminded them, methodical point by point every time a new president gets defense of president obama, refuting the lines of attack elected they believe it's the end of history. launched by republicans at their that everybody that was ever own convention last week. take a look. president before, somehow just wasn't smart enough or gifted

>> when congressman ryan looked enough and they've cracked the code. into that tv camera and attacked and i think it took the white house a couple years, for instance, to reach out to bill president obama's medicare clinton. the republicans talk if mitt savings as, quote, the biggest, romney wins, that they've coldest, power play, i didn't cracked the code, this is a total repudiation of barack know whether to laugh or cry. obama and democrats and both sides, and the white house thinks it too, we will be because that $716 billion is legitimized if barack obama -- both sides are acting if they exactly to the dollar the same win they're validated and can do amount of medicare savings that exactly what they want. he has in his own budget! no. if mitt romney wins, republicans win the house and they have 51 democratic senators, there's still 49 as you know, lawrence, better than anybody, 49 you ought to get one thing, it democratic senators that can tie everything up. >> and it will be paul ryan who takes some brass to attack a guy is sent up to the hill to for doing what you did. explain why we're not doing the claim that president obama anything like the ryan plan. >> right. weakened welfare reform work exactly. >> he'll find a way to say it. requirement is just not true. >> i want to read from charles but -- they keep on running ads in "the new york times," the defiant ones. he writes in part this -- claiming it.

you want to know why? their campaign pollster said, we are not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact checkers. now -- finally, i can say, that is true. >> you know, jon, when he goes, i don't know whether to laugh or cry, i mean that's -- that's the male equivalent in the south of a woman saying, bless her heart. >> bless her heart. >> that means you're dead. >> i'm going to kill you. >> bless your heart. >> richard? >> but he -- but he -- >> i've heard for the last year >> bill clinton is steel of the republican primaries this president has no record to run magnolia. >> exactly. on and it's true that the white but he delivered a great house has struggled to frame its message. a centrist message, to again, a own record. the biggest contribution in my view of michele obama and bill fairly progressive group. >> one thing i think is clinton last night was that they gave them that road map. they showed how you can talk interesting historically, here about this president's you have a hugely progressive

substantial record, whether you party, yet the democratic party agree with it or not, there is a is the party with patriarchs. record there you can talk about >> right. that's what this white house, >> and you think back, you know, this obama campaign, and the eisenhower said i'll think of president has to do tonight. something and give me a week and he has to frame his record in i'll think of something richard the way that his wife and his nixon did, because of president predecessor just did. >> katty, that's exactly what reagan's health, he could not conventions are about. play that role, except for last week's republican the '92 convention, by '96 he convention should have humanized was fighting alzheimer's. mitt romney. they missed so many president bush '41 has chosen to opportunities. this convention seems to me is hitting the marks just right. stay out of the -- as he puts it the op-ed business with that they are explaining to americans hand. and so you just had -- you've why four years of barack obama has made a difference. had nixon, ford, just never for >> i mean there's a totally different challenge from tampa, all the various reasons we know, right. the challenge in tampa was to have never played that role. take the person, fill him, make interestingly you have a democratic party that tends to him more accessible. people have that feeling about argue against this kind of barack obama. they didn't need to do that. they needed to explain what they hereditary role and you have an had to do over the last four extraordinary hereditary leader. years. tomorrow night barack obama >> look at the stage here as needs to say what he's going to do over the next four years. he needs to lay out that road president clinton closed, president obama walked on to a map for, you know, for the job stage to a thunderous applause. that's not been completed but clinton bowed for a moment before they embraced and waved leave me with it and i will get

to the delegates. us out of it. one of the most -- i thought one president obama, of course, of the strongest lines bill delivers his acceptance speech clinton had last night is when tomorrow night. he said, not me, not anyone, not i was thinking of something you said somewhere along the way any president could have fixed yesterday, about you don't this recession in the space of necessarily agree with the way president obama is governing, four years. >> and there is -- but they do put on a great >> katty kay. convention. >> listen, it remains in >> joe was -- not even joe scarborough. >> despite what he says every question, it is a question for morning for three hours. >> lawrence, let me ask you, historians like jon meacham to conventional wisdom seems to be decide after he leaves office, setting in concrete this morning, that bill clinton is a better articulator of the case whether barack obama's people know how to run the federal for president obama than is government. >> oh, stop it. president obama himself. >> no. i'm dead serious. a, do you believe that and bf there is a big question mark you do, why is that? hanging over the fact, whether why can't the president make the case better? they know how to run washington, >> i actually think president whether they know how to run the obama is a better speaker and more inspirational speaker but i economy, and as the president himself said, he still has an think this situation, the -- incomplete grade. there is no doubt, willie, these katty just said, that thing people know how to put on a about no other president could convention. do this, that needs to be said >> yeah. >> they know how to run a general election campaign. by someone other than president [ applause ] obama. just imagine trying to write the speech where president obama stands up and says no president >> and it's just a reality. ever could have done what i have

>> they agree with you, joe. done. >> right. >> reality conservative >> in this job's recovery still journalists will say, there is no comparison between tampa and not strong enough job's charlotte, the republicans have recovery. >> richard wolffe, thank you so been lapped in stage craft, in speech writing, speech much. >> by the way, as you know, a performances, in every way. >> and we haven't even heard yet lot of liverpool viewers from the president of the united states or vice president biden. watching now, the reds will -- but they have the benefit of having some of the greatest this season will turn out okay. speakers, arguably, in the >> i'm walking alone right now, history of politics, bill but i'm with you. >> no y our -- you're with me. clinton, president obama, you could add michele obama to that list now. >> oh, my gosh. the reaction from that speech >> senior strategist to the obama campaign, david axelrod, has been -- i mean i have heard from people from all walks of senator kirsten gillibrand will life who were completely moved be here and next we'll take by that speech and brought to closer look at what drives tears. i don't even think they expected it to be that good. she was excellent. >> yeah. >> it was her execution that just brought it home. president obama two preemment writers join us on set. >> her speech was tough. keep it right here on "morning joe" live from charlotte. [ male announcer ] wouldn't it be cool she delivered it well. >> hours before last night's big speeches there was an awkward and unexpected moment on the convention floor, amid criticism from mitt romney, and other top republicans, democrats held a last-minute vote to reinsert the

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changed. >> they took out god in god giveth. >> platform without the use of the word. >> why did they do that? who said let's just go ahead and scrub all mentions of god from the platform because that will really help us win in missouri? >> you know -- >> that will do it in the swing states. >> republicans were going full on this yesterday and john -- >> wait. missouri and north carolina, you know how many southern baptist preachers there are in this state and there are a few democrats who are southern baptist as well. again, it's -- it shows the delegate s versus the democrati vote. >> they're saying that moment is going to be used throughout the rest of the election. >> well no. >> they changed the platform. i don't think it's liberal bias in the media that says, this story is pretty much done because they fixed it. >> the president fixed it. >> it is a bit embarrassing for sure and if bill clinton hadn't blotted out everything else with

his speech that might get -- >> jon meacham, you wrote a book on the founding fathers and religion and, you know -- there president obama started with are a lot of founding fathers a much weaker economy than i that knew they had to talk about did. listen to me now. god and faith to help them blot no president, no president, not out other things in their own personal background. me, not any of my predecessors, but the democrats in 2012 no one could have fully repaired learned once again what politicians in 1776 have figured all the damage that he found in just four years. out, that it's -- it's not a [ applause ] good thing to turn your back on even -- even mentions, shallow he has laid the foundations for a new, modern, successful mentions of faith. >> you know, it's -- these economy, a shared prosperity, things come up in times of stress. the founding era, obviously, not and if you will renew the the calmest time. president's contract, you will >> right. >> so there was a rise in public feel it. you will feel it. religion "in god we trust" was inserted, "under god we pledge" inserted during the cold war. folks, whether the american we have an american tradition of people believe what i said or making public afterfirmations of not may be the whole election. i want you to know i believe it

a -- afir mamations in the beli with all my heart, i believe it. of the almighty, human rights >> welcome back to the the come from above so no man can blackfinn saloon. tamper with them. you're an expert in his >> jefferson. go to the jefferson memorial. [ inaudible ]. one of his famous quotes. >> he clasp sometimes, i am just >> despite the best efforts of so overjoyed, he likes doing it, people to rebaptize him, he was you know. not in any way an evangelical [ inaudible ]. >> okay. >> he's unbelievable. christian at all. but he believed in giving a nod >> editor of "the washington post" david mara nis, author of to the idea that human rights the book "barack obama, the were sacred. >> right. >> and that's just been part of story" and author of "time" the political dialog forever. magazine, michael duffy, >> all right. we have to go to break. co-author of "the president's you all are starting to pull a club inside the world's most bill clinton here. >> we're going to talk about exclusive fraternity" also here elizabeth warren coming up. she had a great speech. to discover the latest cover of also -- "time" magazine. >> okay. >> which we're not going to talk >> senior adviser to the obama about right now. michael, i love your book. campaign, david axelrod, kirsten told everybody it's like crack gillibrand, congressman barney for people that love presidential histories. frank and democratic senator jim but i saw last night on the stage, bill clinton, embracing a

clyburn, tom brokaw, chuck todd, guy who four years ago in south david gregory, up next jim carolina had a team that painted him as a bigot, racist. vandehei. barnicle is drinking again. i thought about your book and oh, no. okay. but first let's go to bill you talk about how every karins with a check on the president, other than jimmy forecast. bill? carter, realized about two years >> we love mike. good morning, everyone. in, this job is too big for one the weather headline is down in guy, i have nobody in the world the gulf of mexico. i can talk to that can could we have tropical trouble understand this, i got to talk developing once again? the hurricane center is to the last guy in office that i just -- i didn't think was that investigating this area, could send a hurricane hunter aircraft smart, maybe he can help. out there. this is off the coast of and so you see these guys on louisiana. it would be slow development, if stage and boy, it plays out anything, in the general motion would be towards florida and exactly what you've talked about about three or four days from in your book. >> he put the whole pantheon of now. so it has a couple days to get its act together. the club on stage right now. let's hope it doesn't. two hurricanes in the tropics, he invoked reagan against mitt including hurricane michael which is now a major hurricane. the michael storm not going to be a problem at all for anyone romney. i think i heard more good things in the united states or canada. about george w. bush last night in charlotte than a week of the now lesley is going to brush republicans in tampa. >> isn't that something. bermuda and head to the canadian >> he invoked bush positively on maritime. it's going to send large waves a foreign policy initiative in to the eastern coast of the africa and fisl -- he said he u.s., but no rip curredirect th wasn't as big of a tax cutter as

the republicans are now. that was astonishing. this morning in kennebunkport rain. the humidity still very high from d.c. southwards down and dallas, i wonder waking up through the southeast. the bush family listening to looks like we will spark a few this, we came out okay. thunderstorms from the southeast, especially north carolina, some beneficial rains today in missouri. >> i like this guy. but we can't get that rain yet down in texas or oklahoma. david, bill clinton, holy cow, still brutally hot. it's going to be 103 degrees he just keeps on keeping on. today in dallas. thankfully for areas of oklahoma incredible book about him early and texas, you will cool off on. first in his class. can you believe this guy. this upcoming weekend back into he hasn't lost his stout. the 80s. >> of course not. it's about time. charlotte, chance of you know, he's been running for thunderstorms once again this afternoon, typical summertime president his whole life but he weather for you. loves to be needed and he was we'll have more from charlotte coming up here on "morning joe," very much needed and he did we're brewed by starbucks. exactly what obama wanted him to do that moment when they're together, though, i wouldn't make too much of that. it was sort of a, you know, it was no more than just a moment, it wasn't a grand gesture of any [ "human" by the human league playing ] sort. the events have conspired to bring them together. humans. >> the bottom line is, and we we mean well, but we're imperfect creatures all know the families, and we living in a beautifully imperfect world. all know the players here, bill it's amazing we've made it this far.

maybe it's because when one of us messes up, clinton will never forget what someone else comes along to help out. they did to him and what they did to hillary four years ago, that's the thing about humans. when things are at their worst, will he? >> well, he wouldnn't forget it. we're at our best. see how at libertymutual.com. liberty mutual insurance -- responsibility. it's wrong to think that's the real bill clinton, the one that internally has this animosity what's your policy? towards barack obama. he actually wants barack obama to win and that separate -- one dad, we want pizza. you guys said tacos. is the real bill clinton and the [ female announcer ] it doesn't always work out that way. other false. i think he's going to work as hard as he can for this and i you know what? don't think he thinks hillary is we're spending too much money on eating out anyway. going to run for president in honey, come look at this. 2016. [ female announcer ] my money map from wells fargo >> lots of hillary fund-raisers is a free online tool that helps you track your spending. who have been talking -- >> no. but i still -- i'm always wrong so instead of having to deal with a tight budget, about her but i don't think -- you could have a tighter family. >> lawrence, was last night ♪ wells fargo. possibly about 2016 and hillarh? together we'll go far. >> i believe -- i love nks i hamybdomen.. wells fargo. hillary -- >> i'm not saying this in -- being negative. i've never seen a clinton pass up an opportunity. >> hillary is still secretary of state.

hillary still has a viable political career. itwo aovn,ncroth..t rlof >> i love it. >> i just love them in every way. >> they're like meacham. they have photographers in closets just in case they inoronmyhamybdomen.. wells fargo. were -- in case they win a pulitzer prize. >> that prize might show up. r.bo alon,ncroth..t rlof >> where was she? >> another video showed her saying get the hook, just like -- >> yeah. >> find out where she is. >> 2016 -- >> bill clinton is not going to do anything without his wife's career fully in mind at every moment. of course he's leaving ery option open possible for her in that performance last night. >> i would think, i mean just safe bet, he's thinking about himself. >> really? >> i don't know. >> no. it's very important point. of course he's thinking about himself. if hillary was not in politics he would have done the same thing. david's point is important. he has more than one motivator for almost everything. >> let's not pretend like that's a dirty thing, degal, churchill,

you know, even when churchill was feeble, jon meacham, he would be like, he would be slouched, open the door, immediately straighten up and he'd play for the crowds, big leaders, historical figures, they are driven by a -- this oversized sense of self which makes them great at times. >> and this is what they do. this is -- you all had such terrible literary judgments to write these books you've written. rough night particularly for mike and nancy, with the president's club, but david's written about this brilliantly, mike and nancy have, they're political creatures, great political animals, and they're the ones that do stay on the stage and we've talked to this a lot, there are former presidents who don't love politics. >> right. >> one of them is in dallas. >> one of them is in dallas -- the system is rigged. >> any former president turned down an invitation by his look around, oil companies party's convention to give a speech like that? guzzle down billions in profits. >> no. and the road is littered with

people who aren't invited an that's usually the norm. billionaires pay lower tax rates can i go back to the hub for a than their secretaries and wall second, it was a demonstration street ceos, the same ones who project. he is basically acting out what wrecked our economy and he was saying in the speech, you know, let's get over our destroyed millions of jobs, differences, stop fighting. when he's talking to the middle still strut around congress, no of the country, clinton is shame, demanding favors, and saying they're sick of the fighting, sick of the warfare, acting like we should thank they want a fight, we don't and them. does anyone here have a problem with that? speaking for the democrats and went out and demonstrated. whether he agrees with well, i do too. i do too. everything obama says or done in the past isn't relevant, he was showing this is something the country needs to do. mitt romney's the guy who said, corporations are people. >> that's symbolic. we saw the picture of hillary no, governor romney, clinton watching bill's speech. corporations are not people. here is what she says about it. quote, my husband read parts of the speech to me over the last people have hearts, they have few days. kids, they get jobs, they get i received the as-prepared version which i'm anxious to sick, they cry, they dance, they compare with the as-delivered live, they love, and they die. version. adorablep. >> david -- david. >> yeah. and that matters. >> david, the clintons are remarkable on every level. you go back to when you wrote

your book on bill clinton, he was seen as just a red hot mess >> welcome back inside the and you just were waiting for him to blow up, and here we are blackfinn salon. that was elizabeth warren 20 years later, and bill and speaking in prime time. >> that was good. hillary clinton still together, >> what did you think? >> i thought it was fantastic. hillary clinton one of the most didn't you, meacham? admired women in the world, just i mean she really i think frames a remarkable job. the problems that are plaguing this country and the middle class. >> that was really great. >> jon, what do you think? 2000 forward, has gained the love of former political >> i thought she did will and i think it was interesting, jim and i were talking about this, enemies. could you have ever imagined -- you couldn't imagine two >> maybe you probably could have speeches more different than her because you wrote the book early speech and bill clinton's on. >> no. i mean the cycle of loss and speech. that, even the bites we showed, recovery, just played on and on. bill clinton didn't say a bad word about business let alone you can tell, whenever he's down attacking wall street ceo. he talked about the democratic he'll find his way up. party built around cooperation and business. he's up at 69%. that's a '90s message. i hate to say it. i've said it a couple times she's a much more up-to-date before, something will probably happen that will hurt him over message. the next year. they both work. >> they delivered. >> jim vandehei is back with us. and then he'll come back again. he keeps rising. she waubs the walk. to extraordinary patterns. she lives the issues so she >> forgive me for asking the pulled that speech off last

question. has your book -- does your book night in night. >> no doubt she does. end with his loss in 1980 and he she reflects the democratic party of today and this convention. i agree with everything you said was shaking hands in the square? about the bill clinton speech. here's where i disagree, it's >> the day he announced for not going to move an election. president. >> you've heard this story. >> i'm sure. might move everybody on this set >> went out the next morning -- today. >> his friends were looking down it's not going to make a big and said poor guy, he doesn't difference. realize the campaign is over and it's barack obama versus mitt another aide goes, this isn't romney. about the campaign loss. he started his next campaign. such sturdy wisconsin midwest it's just -- >> he does that every morning. logic. >> from the democratic party of he wakes up every morning and today. listen to every other speech reinvents himself and forgives you've heard at this convention. himself and the world and keeps doesn't sound anything like bill going. >> something to be said for clinton. that. >> yes, there is. bill clinton didn't attack bain, >> all right. capitalism, didn't talk about so, let's talk -- i guess we abortion, gay marriage. he's talking about his -- he's need to talk about "time" magazine. what's on the cover this week? speaking like it's 1999 and no doubt that resonates. >> we always dop. >> what's on the cover this week. >> we took the central issue of >> talk about the speeches. the race, the size and shape and outside of prime time, it sounds scope of government and put it like you're saying what we said on people's kitchen tables. mike, a foreign correspondent, i last segment, this is a very asked him to take his entire day and break down how much of it is progressive group of delegates, subsidized by the u.s.

government. mike isn't on food stamps. they're moving -- they're he's a "time" correspondent. setting up a 2004 election. >> let's take abortion. from the moment he's woken up to the breakfast creyal his kids the entire day, in almost every speech, they're talking about hit, to the water in his coffee abortion. and if you think about where and his health care and flood public polling is on abortion insurance and tennis courts, where the country is very everything about his life is divided, you have the party offering a full throated defense subsidized. the cover is -- my subsidized of the right to have abortion, life. it goes to the point that it's sort of any time, anywhere, not a nation of makers or which if you think about where takers. we're all makers and takers. politics is today that's as we all get -- we're all in. extreme a position on the left as republicans have taken on the even those of us who think we're right. if you're in a state like north totally comfortable and doing carolina, where social issues fine, it's essentially a nation still do matter to swing voters, on welfare. you know this. i do wonder if that hurts them in your past life. just how much of the money is or helps them given it's going given out by the government, is to come down to ten states some given out not in payments, but of them have a lot of people who for tax deductions that benefit are in the middle who are from all of us. authentically undecided. >> and lawrence, that is -- that's the great dichotomy. i think that's different from bill clinton. we americans have the pioneering bill clinton would not prescribe many of the content of many of spirit and i see the flag behind the speeches you've heard. us, don't tread on me, and, you you can do this in a good way, be pro business, but also pro know, i think my favorite poll people and figure out the right over the past couple years was a

poll of self-identified tea calibration. the brilliance of bill clinton, partiers who wanted to get rid he, unlike almost any other politician in our lifetime, of obama care, 72% said, don't almost always finds that calibration that appeals to touch my medicare. >> speaking as the only liberals and centers. >> doesn't have to put himself self-identified social iist on e out there. elizabeth warren put herself out there. >> bill clinton knew how to panel this morning, i'm sure you reach democratic voters in north have more coming in later, that's why i say it. carolina, in virginia, in this article is about why i say tennessee, in arkansas, across it. "newsweek" did that great cover years ago saying we're all the southeast. socialists now. he didn't always win those medicare is a socialist program. states but that's a gift he had this -- social security is a socialist program. >> meacham, that was a good and again, i wonder if we're cover. >> include the water supply going to see the president as -- in my definition of tonight realize that he needs to socialism and i'm really glad you did, that the water in his move a bit more to the center coffee, no one's thinking of away from some of the things that as being some kind of on that jim was saying the the doll handout thing, but democrats have been talking about this week. >> one of the reasons barack government built that water obama is president obama, is that he did learn the lessons of supply. >> oh, wow. see. >> i'm just curious, can i ask the '90s in 2008. you guys, i am fascinated by how remember this was not a radical jimmy carter stands alone as the left wing campaign. >> right. >> he didn't talk about guns. he didn't talk about abortion. he didn't talk about gay iconic picture he stands alone marriage. in the white house, but he also

he ran a very kind of jfk-esque stands on -- he is just to himself unlike these other we're going to solve this. we weren't going to have presidents that reconcile and partisanship anymore. come together, the president's >> thank god. willie, weren't you tired of club still doesn't care a whole lot for jimmy carter and jimmy carter doesn't care a whole lot partisansh partisanship, thank god it went for them. >> he is the least -- away. >> obama learned the clinton lessons in '08, i disagree with >> no, he's not -- that's not a jim a little bit, in so far you negative thing. he just doesn't play the game. have swing voters who realize the white house calls him and the ads are all wrong, people get that, and if, you know, in he's short and abrupt with them. he does not play the game. so far as they were paying >> i think a big moment in the attention beyond the dallas last ten years, was when he took beating new york, they're going the occasion at coretta scott to remember clinton vouched for this guy and clinton is a pretty king's funeral to attack the good guy, let's take another look at him. >> that's the authentic incumbent president who was sitting behind him. it's one of the moments that question, in a second term would he govern like bill clinton or doesn't lead to a subsidized elizabeth warren. coffee afterwards. >> we've been saying that for >> what is it about jimmy two years and everyone here carter, fascinating guy, still believes it's true, the economy is the thing that historical figure, what is it about jimmy carter that gives ultimately matters most to these people. i can't imagine there are that him this -- he's so self-contained? many undecided voters for whom >> i once asked his -- one of the issue is the abortion issue, his close advisors this question

and his best answer, it's just democratic party too far left, the way he is. >> has he always been that way republican party who doesn't want abortions in the cases of rape and incest. or bitter by 1980 still? >> if you read his books, there i think they're going to make a decision on who will be able to are 21 of them, shot through deliver prosperity for what he wrote about that. on the other hand advantage in hard-pressed voters who still can't decide between the two carter in two respects, been the visions. >> it comes down to, do they think it will be more like bill model for almost everyone after clinton or elizabeth warren. him to follow. it's a good question. since they re-elect and unelect we cover him all the time. them earlier they need something i don't know how he would govern to do afterwards and he's shown in a second term. i don't know how any of us do. them how. he hasn't talked, just like carter gives the rest of the club something to rally around. republicans didn't talk with any every club needs a black sheep specificity what the next four and something to talk about. years would look like. >> that is still the same even in the club, it's a key question on the romney side. asking the same question, romney is going to governor like the purpose. >> of course barack obama, the moderate governor of subject of your latest book, he massachusetts or a far right speaks tonight. nut. asking the same question on both what should we expect? sides. >> certainly not pulling george >> not a clinton-ian speech at w. bush out to talk. >> she's just obsessed on george w. bush. why don't you start talking all. about weapons of mass clinton's speech went longer than in 1988. destruction. >> from their own party to talk. but, you know, i think there are

it's not because he doesn't like two different people and it politics. because they don't want to show would be a big mistake for his face. president obama to try to >> you're not surprised. >> am i right? [ applause ] replicate what bill clinton did. and as other people have said, he has to present his vision for p. >> i guarantee you -- i the future and that's it. guarantee you, we care a whole not another state of the union address. >> right. >> it's kind of hard to hit the lot more about george w. plabus sweet spot for this speech, i think, but i would not doubt that he'll do it. place in politics than george w. >> last night was hard too. he's following michele obama bush. he was watching the cowboys last last night. >> right. >> how can you score in the night. >> examinicoming up next, the n place where michele obama just giants took on the cowboys hit a grand slam and it turns competing with bill clinton. out -- >> might as well say -- how it ended when we come back >> in that hall they're not to charlotte. these fellas used capital one venture miles measuring how far the home runs go. a home run is a home run. i would expect barack obama to step up and hit his home run and it will be judged as a home run. >> if he does, i've got to say, this will be remembered as one for a golf getaway. of the most successful double miles you can actually use... conventions if you judge it by but mr. single miles can't join his friends what a party needs to do and because he's getting hit with blackouts. whether they hit that mark. >> execution. shame on you. >> and, you know, tampa, you now he's stuck in a miniature nightmare. know, i think philadelphia is that way for republicans in oh, thank you. 2000. but, with the capital one venture card... we all left charged and ready to

you can fly any airline, any flight, any time. take the white house back. double miles you can actually use. but boy, every day we get into this convention deeper. what's in your wallet? alec jr? >> seemed disjointed. it was a gift. >> the weaker republicans seemed alec jr? in tampa. >> they do. you expect something $40in return. david maranis, thank you very billionaire oil tycoons charles and david koch much. >> sorry i mixed up the story. >> it's a great story though. and their special- interest friends are spending $400 million to buy this year's elections and advance their agenda. >> "time" with the one nation what's their payback? subsidized how big government politicians who will pass laws underwrites your life. that benefit special interests, coming up kristen gillibrand but hurt the middle class; more tax cuts for the rich, eliminate the minimum wage, joins us, barney frank, jim clyburn and elijah cummings. big cuts to our schools, keep it on "morning joe" live but big subsidies for oil companies, from charlotte. 4g lte has the fastest speeds. learn what you can do at...

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of the pocket, 10-yard touchdown pass to kevin ogletree, two touchdowns in the game. dallas up 7-3. cowboys trying to put it away in the fourth quarter. nice throw and catch but also some bad d. tony romo to miles austin between a couple defenders. cowboys up two touchdowns less than six minutes to play but eli did lead the giants back. less than three to play now, eli going to drop back. nine-yard scoring pass. mar tell lus bennett, that cuts the lead to seven in the fourth welcome back to "morning quarter with over two minutes to joe." i'm meteorologist bill karins. play. clock winding down, giants had a weather update to help you get to have a stop on this play. out the door. third and ten. unfortunately, that high humidity still exists around the but romo finds ogletree for the washington, d.c., area, first down and then kneel down southward. it's a little better this time for dallas. morning. areas from philadelphia up giants become the first through new england. defending champ to drop their we've even got a little bit of opener since the broncos in '99. rain to talk about moving through virginia. going to be driving south of cowboys win. d.c. on i-95, anywhere down romo 307 yards, three touchdowns there, you could see some showers and hit and miss, maybe and kech ogletree, get that guy thunderstorms too. going to try to cross over the on your fantasy team, might be chesapeake. also a few showers down there, too late, not far from where he southern portions of new jersey. otherwise, expect partly cloudy

grew up in queens, new york. skies up through new england breakout game, two touchdowns, today and temperatures willing on the warm side. 114 yards, those two touchdowns we will see highs today once the first of his nfl career. again in the 80s, only exception near the water there in boston, >> willie, i've been hearing a lot of people in the offseason slightly cooler. middle of the country, how hot talking about the cowboys, so has this summer been? many disappointing seasons oklahoma through texas, we're lately, looked good last night. still in the hundreds, 103 today what's different between the cowboys in 2012 and 2011 and why in dallas. thankfully you will cool off as we go through the upcoming weekend. a few storms in the southeast, are people picking them? >> good defense, showed them including north carolina today. last night. held the giants to ten points the only item to watch of until late in the fourth quarter and also they have this running concern possibly over the next couple days, slow development is back demarco murray, huge game, possible of an area of low got hurt last season, if he's pressure in the gulf of mexico. this could become a tropical there all year he will look depression and try to slide good. towards north florida or central >> we've got to do the red sox florida as we go throughout the story. >> leave him alone. upcoming weekend. we'll keep an eye on that. >> we have to. any tropical development in the >> what happened, barnicle? gulf can always be an issue. coming up next, live from >> we love bobbie valentine, found himself -- well this charlotte, senator kirsten morning, battling a little gillibrand. stay tuned. controversy. some say he may have, i don't know, threatened is a strong word. >> did he threaten someone in. >> he didn't threaten anybody. boston radio yesterday weekly appearance on weei's "the big show" valentine lashed out after he was asked about his work

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welcome back to "morning joe" live in charlotte at the dnc. here with us now, democratic senator of new york, senator kirsten gillibrand. great to have you on the show. >> thank you. thank you, joe. great to be here. >> how is this convention going? this is not -- this is really not your father or grandfather's democratic convention. >> no. >> this is today's convention and tomorrow's convention. >> i like the way you said the last segment, it's home run after home run. i mean from michele obama's speech two nights ago, bill clinton was last night, we are seeing extraordinary advocates for what democrats stand for and why we want to fight for the american people and the middle class. >> exactly, joe. >> sorry. >> you know -- >> take your time, joe. >> we were talking before, lawrence, about trying to figure out what convention was this good. i talked about the republicans 2000 in philadelphia, but i think we have to go back to 1980 in detroit, ronald reagan.

extraordinary convention for the republic republicans. i said for you, democrats, '92, but you said this has a better feeling than even new york '92 convention, that helped bill clinton. >> it's an incumbent's convention. there's more reason for optimism right there. and there's a strength of the presentation that is unlike anything i've seen. i'm starting with -- on my score card i start with what have they gotten wrong. where was the mistake? free streaming quotes, all your investments, positions, >> yeah. >> tuesday night. where was the mistake. what didn't work wednesday and even your trade ticket night. are all on one customizable page. what hasn't worked. everything has worked. >> so -- well there is that see the 360 investing dashboard at e-trade. awkward moment. >> after you get past that. awkward moment about jerusalem and god. but there's a difference. democrats have their awkward moments at 3:00 in the afternoon. >> right. >> republicans wait until 10:00 ♪ and prime time to bring out clint eastwood. >> the key moment. >> michael, so lawrence is saying what did they get wrong? i will tell you, in tampa, i sat there as a republican, as a

conservative, watching people that i respected, and looked ♪ like they were just reading the teleprompter. i didn't feel it other than ♪ when you fall out of the nest condi rice. >> they were reading the you made a mistake, flew all the teleprompter. >> but, so is michele obama, so way back ♪ ♪ is bill clinton. but you didn't feel that way. >> but look at michele obama's >> welcome back to "morning speech. joe." that was the most emotional, it is 47 past the hour. personal speech that focused on that's where it's all going to happen tonight. president obama will make his speech. families, real stories about how we've had some great speeches, their characters were formed, though, already in the convention. boy, the democrats know how to how president obama's character put on a convention. was formed. those were real and it really -- let's now do the must-read it struck me as such a personal opinion pages, shall we? >> shocking when you say that. moment. one of the best convention speeches i've ever heard. i mean it's like -- it's surprising when bill clinton she really connected. if you looked at the audience, says nice things about barack obama, despite the fact that pem were crying, tears rolling they're not close things. down their eyes because she was when you say -- if you say the democrats did something wrong -- connecting. >> not just in the convention >> nixon has gone to -- hall but across america. mika has talked to some of her >> just walked down the stairs friends, who were tearing up. >> single mothers, stories of in peking. >> why don't you say it. struggle, stories of wanting to you tell me which convention is reach that american dream and more hip, vibrant, more alive, doing everything. your children can get there even more connecting, the democrats or the one last week in tampa? if you can't. >> i agree with you in that

>> so michael gurson wrote in sense. there's that connection, because it was through anecdotes, his op-ed, clinton shows he's no through real life stories which obama. >> and he says this -- you didn't get a lot of in tampa and i thought that was a missed opportunity, for example, you talked about it joe and mika, with ann romney's speech sort of connecting the real life experience of the romney family, in particular mitt romney, to what everybody is going through every day. and the democrats are very good about that and how it plays out in the country, i think remains to be seen. we'll see polls in two weeks that talks about the full impact of it. the thing you still have to go back to the nub of this convention and the tampa convention and that is the underlying question, are you better off, and what do the next four years look like. >> that's what bill clinton delivered on last night. he delivered on not only a frame of reference, but he cut through the lies and just talked about what do we believe in. why am i not surprised? >> imagine that. >> yeah. what has president obama done. what has he left when we started >> well -- >> he does like himself a lot. and where are we -- >> the key differences that's >> when did you pick that up? coming from bill clinton.

>> he's just like -- lasters in that's 1992 to 2000. it. >> there's a lot to lather in i we haven't heard that from hear. barack obama and maybe we will so michael steele, we've been tonight and i think that's going to be a definitional moment for talking this morning about how his presidency and certainly for bill clinton seen the poll of his re-elect if he can frame that in his own words that we the progressive group of believe the next four years are delegates on this floor to the going to be better off. center. his message is the winning it's great for bill clinton to message for democrats and you tell us, but we need to hear it from him. wonder whether barack obama >> what bill clinton did so follows it up tonight or whether well, he explained it. went through health care. he speaks more to a very why does it matter to you? these cuts in medicare matter to the seniors in the senior homes. progressive delegate. >> first off, no one does it really -- clinton better than clinton. >> but the president now hasn't when he walked out on that stage talked about his health care he owned it and he was back in plan that way and that's the his groove. you can tell where he was going point. >> we'll get that opportunity to go. whoever was running the tonight. i think michele obama did a great job talking about why teleprompter couldn't keep up, barack obama made a difference gave up and let him do his over the next four years but thing. but he put a tone out there. katty, at the end of the day, it does come down to the president he did set a message. himself standing up and there were two democratic parties in that hall last night. delivering. >> bill clinton can be as good there was the one that we heard as an advocate as he can be, but with the speeches from earlier in the evening and earlier in in the end it's barack obama the week and then there was the that has to go out and win this one that bill clinton anchored election. yes, bill clinton may help with when he was president. some segments of the electorate, the dnc wing of the party. he may have gemmed up enthusiasm

>> you say there's two. here at the convention and other than bill clinton i didn't perhaps amongst donors which i keep hearing throughout the know anybody who was giving a course of this week is a big issue. dlc type centrist speech in this >> huge issue. >> they're hoping this week is consfleengs they haven't. really going to rally some of he was representing that voice the big donors, particularly on still within the democratic party that still appeals to the west coast, but barack obama has to go out and make the case those blue collar, white male that bill clinton started to make, which is the work has voters. >> and -- >> who knows obama is going to begun on trying to put us back need. he's looking at the numbers and into progress, but obviously going, dude, you don't have these guys standing over here in it's not complete but trust me the corner. with four more years to carry on they would like to go some the agenda. place, here's an opportunity to >> explain the economic agenda. bring them in. the republicans appealed last >> bill clinton framed, we want week to your point, they didn't to see made in america again. need to be cool and hip. why was the auto bailout so what they needed to be was sharp on the money and appealing to important and how it relates and we're in this together, that if those very voters that are not you don't help these industries buying what obama is currently succeed the parts manufacturers selling. >> so mark, i guess the won't succeed and your small town will not succeed. he made the case about what is important question this morning the economic vision for this is, does barack obama tack country, what has president obama started to do and complete in the next four years. towards the center of the speech >> all right. >> unifying message. tonight? because he has to win north >> senator, great to see you. carolina. doesn't have to. but he needs to win north as an elmira guy, we need to go carolina and virginia and ohio and colorado, and nevada. to upstate new york.

>> we will. >> you said it's going to be the some states where there are a new silicon valley. >> the semiconductor industry is lot of independent, moderate swing voters. booming in upstate new york. >> we don't know much about what >> we'll go there. the president is going to say. >> why don't we do a show there. >> we will. they've been careful to keep it >> it's going to be in big flats under wraps. my instinct is he's going to where nobody knows where big unveil if not some new policy flats is, between elmira and corning. proposals, paint a more vivid >> i think that's what's great. picture than he has to date >> thanks very much. >> you're welcome. >> look forward to seeing you about a second term. on deficit reduction, today. still ahead, obama's senior particularly tax cuts for the adviser david axelrod will be wealthiest and on issues here. keep it right here. involving investment and he's having a drink. david! >> where's david? entitlements, the democrats sort >> where is he? of have more of the center than the republicans. >> where did he go? they haven't been able to >> he went off. ♪ effectively make that argument. i think president obama will be looking to reach the same voters as bill clinton did, little base inspiration, a lot of trying to find swing voters and the center, but i don't think he's going to do a clinton-type speech, more of a vision of his own. >> all right. ♪ lord, you got no reason >> wanted to read charles but alex is getting -- >> yelling at you. ♪ you got no right >> he's changing.

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thanks. >> we have blown three minutes of david axelrod time. quite a convention, but as you know, tonight's the night. what does the president have to do? >> i think the president will talk about where we have to go as a country. president clinton cleared a lot of underbrush out of the way for us last night and, you know, the president has an opportunity to talk about how we lift the country, how we rebuild the middle class, the things we have to do together to achieve a kind of future that people are looking for and, you know, he will focus on his vision, but it's a sharp contrast with the vision we saw last week in tampa. >> a sharp contrast last night between elizabeth warren, more of a populist, progressive populist than bill clinton, talked like a dnc democrat. we were talking about the fact, not a g in the speech last night. >> for president clinton. >> he dropped a couple fixin's

in, fixin' to tell you. >> he's been living in the south for a very long time, southern part of harlem. maybe that's why he's dropping the gs. amazing how he got more southern last night. >> folksy. >> gillibrand told me if you want somebody to make a good case, you send a new yorker. >> exactly. so the president has a progressive group of delegates. he ran as a new democrat four years ago. what will we hear tonight? >> well, joe, first of all, i would say the link between elizabeth warren, between bill clinton and everyone speaking here is one common theme, you grow this economy for a stronger country when you strengthen the middle class. you grow this economy from the middle class out. not from the top down. that's a view they sair. bill clinton says when the middle class does well, we create more millionaires too. that's how our country gross. i see there's a threat of continuity between all of our speakers. and tonight the president will talk about some of the things we have to do to achieve that,

strengthen the middle class, grow this economy, to educate our kids. >> right. >> control our energy future. the kinds of things we know we have to do. >> michele bachmann is he mika brzezinski is here and here to ask why democrats are so great. >> why is this convention so awesome? will it address the issue of being better off or not than four years ago. that has been a theme the republicans have been jumping on but there's been success in terms of grabbing the message. >> president clinton was compelling on that last night. >> we have unemployment, we have a jobs crisis, a lot of people hurting. >> we do. i think that the question that people are asking, and the question people are tuning in to see, and the question they tuned in last week to watch governor romney's speech in hope to hear answers to, where do we go from here? where do we go from here? everybody understands we've come through a difficult time in this country, the worst economic crisis since the great depression, but how do we build from where we are?

we're not losing 800,000 jobs. we're gaining jobs back. how do we move forward, rebuild the middle class. >> some people who feel they can't move forward at all and for that their kids won't either. what about the 50-year-old unemployed, you know, executive who's been laid off a second time. i mean there is an issue here with long-term unemployment that these people are going to be watching, what will they get from the speech that will make them think they want to vote for obama again? >> i think they'll hear some specific things that will speak to how we build this economy to create good-paying jobs and prepare people for those jobs. the president has a short-term plan to get our economy, accelerate our recovery, but also a long-term plan to build the future in which people have good middle class jobs, some confidence their kids will do better than them. >> david, remember back in 2004, barack obama was asked whether he was nervous, he famously said i'm lebron, baby. he better be lebron tonight

because he's following his wife and clinton. the bar is high for a guy who's not too bad at this sport. >> you know, he's a pretty good yor ra tore, he'll give a good speech, he got a very good setup. you know, i do think it's a challenge. i think as david knows the criticism, that there is this danger of whether why it's bill clinton who can make a case perhaps better than the administration has done. you've responded to that. another point, bill clinton vouching for president obama is important, also realizes the importance of government working with business, and i'm talking to some of the high-level democratic donors here so critical of this administration for failing to forge better ties with the business community, to work in common cause at a time when you're up against somebody whose chief pedigree is business background, doesn't seem that's been as prominent as this convention, should it be? >> actually, we heard some leaders of the business community speak last night and speak not just about the relationship but to speak about

the specific things this president has done to pull this country out of the free fall it was in when he came and lay a foundation for future growth. there isn't anybody who can honestly say in the business community that the situation for them isn't better than it was in -- >> you don't have that moment with the president and business leaders standing there -- >> you talk to business leaders. what they say we need better educated workers and we need, you know, cheaper energy and we -- you know, the kinds of conditions they need to grow are the very things this president is working on. >> but they'll also say, david, what they'll also say, david well, need a president that doesn't call us fat cats. >> well, we need a president who -- what we need is a president who's going to say we're all going to play by the same rules from main street to wall street to washington and that may make some people uncomfortable but that's how we grow an economy, that's how we create a stronger america. >> this new piece of information

that we get tonight, maybe it's in a new agenda item, something new, i know that's the hardest thing to do when running for re-election is sort of introduce something new, is there going to be, you know, some change in theme or new or offering of a second term of what's going to happen, second term look like? >> there will be new elements in the speech, chuck, but the basic argument -- >> new elements of what? >> terms of ideas that people hear that they may not have heard before, but the fundamental argument remains the same, which is there are certain things we have to do to grow. there are certain commitments we have to make as a country to grow, and he will make that case. >> will he grab bowles-simpson? going to say, i am for bowl bowles-simpson or something like bowles-simpson? i'm not going to get ahead of the president on his speech. >> could it be something -- >> i will say, we're the ones who proposed the $4 trillion plan to reduce the deficit that the cbo certified would do so.

they're the guys that don't have one. they're the guys that have a tax plan disguised as a -- a tax cut disguised as a deficit reduction. >> president clinton talked about compromise and cooperation, looking back on his own presidency, talking about working with guys like joe to get things done, crossing partisan lines. we haven't seen much of that in the first term. you say it's the fault of the house republicans. why would things be different in your view in the second term for a president obama and congress? >> he's worked with republicans wherever he can. where he couldn't, he forged ahead in order to move this country forward because we can't be stuck in place in kind of partisan gridlock. i believe when the people speak on november 6th, it will send a strong message and there are people of goodwill in both parties who do want to move this country forward and i will point out, as i have before, that, you know, there were highlights and low lights when joe was there as

well, like impeachment. >> come on. it was the '90s as i said, it seemed like the thing to do. >> thank you for that small detail. >> we loved bill clinton, we worked with bill clinton, except for that impeachment thing. >> exactly. >> so, by the way, just for our friends behind us, so bill clinton and i are over at the clinton global initiative and we're sitting there. he's like, you know, joe, back when we were together, we got things done in congress. and i was like, mr. president, i know. we put -- and david e-mails me and he's like, excuse me! excuse me! you did impeach him! willie -- >> what is wrong with you. >> >> it was 1999, right? listening to prince, impreaching presidents. >> we all know the history of this, we know on the night of the inauguration that paul ryan and 15 republicans met to talk about how they could thwart the presidency. we know mitch mcconnell said his number one goal was to defeat the president. i think that president clinton

talked about that last night. i think the country's going to render a verdict on that on november 6th and a strong message and i think that will be heard by some republicans and independents as well as democrats. >> [ inaudible ]. >> have to what? >> have divided government most likely. but both sides are acting like if they win, it's going to be -- i say this to supporters of mitt romney as well. do you really think mitt romney is going to win, even if you win the house and 51 seats in the senate. you still have to meet the democrats half way on some of these things. the president understands that as well, right? >> i mean, he's basically merged with the house republicans, he's taken the pledge he wouldn't -- >> i know, but my point, david, both sides are going to have to -- i'm talking about your guy, though. i say that to romney's people. your guy is going to have to -- >> i think he's kind of locked in with that group in the house republican caucus. i don't think he's going to stray from that. i don't see anything that suggests the republican party is

interested in compromise. you were in tampa last week, however did you hear the word compromise and cooperation? >> i don't hear it an awful lot here either. >> i don't know about? >> the speeches other than the prime time speeches, this has been a hard left convention. you guys -- >> depends on where you sit. >> well, mark halperin, john heilemann, everybody that sits in the middle says this is a pretty progressive convention, but your prime time speaker, chuck, the main speakers -- >> i have been struck, it's funny, both conventions came out more partisan than i expected them to be at a time when it seemed to be -- we know the last slice of voters are independents, and you were both careful -- you were careful at 10:00. you guys were all careful at 10:00. >> you guys have focused on left and right and we're trying to focus on how we move the country forward in a pragmatic way. >> i wish, david, that our heart was as big as the montana sky. just like you. >> you see, people are responding to what he's saying.

>> of course they are. david, where are we? >> stop it. >> i do think -- one of the big questions i think to your point, david, is if we can get beyond left/right, if the president wins re-election, he does earn a certain amount of political capital. we saw with president bush how defeating that was in the second term. where does he decide to spend it and does he share it not with the party faithful hall, the folks with him in 2008 and say i don't know, i don't think he can deliver, where hdoes he spend te capital. >> there are fundamental challenges we have to meet and you talk about them every sunday on your show. people will come away from the speech with a clear sense of how he would spend that capital and leads the country. i think what was absent from the speech last week in tampa was any of that. >> is there one big area? >> he didn't say it in his speech -- people came away from the speech saying where do you want to go, what do you want to do? they won't leave the president's speech feeling that.

>> do you have one big area? >> obviously the one you've focused on is one we have to deal with is the fiscal piece but do that in a balanced way so we still can move forward on things like education and energy and research and development that we need to grow this economy and grow the middle class. the key is balance here. >> you know, willie, i want to be clear, i'm certainly not just pointing at the president or at the democrats, it's the republicans as well, it takes two to tango so to speak, and i just wonder from what you've seen over the past four or five years, do you get the sense that both parties understand that whoever wins this election, they're going to have to -- they're going to have to meet in the middle whether it's house republicans dealing with barack obama, or senate democrats dealing with mitt romney? do they understand that, you know, because bill clinton did get re-elected and he thought this is going to prove i'm legitimate and then as we brought up, he was impeached three years later.

>> i think from the outset, the cynics look at what happens in washington, maybe they get it conceptually but they don't practice it. there's a premium put on acquiring and holding on to power in washington and not using it to move the country forward and it comes from both sides. house republicans made it clear they didn't want to work with president obama out of the gate. they say president obama hasn't extended the olive branch enough to them. for people who watch this from the outside don't watch our show every morning and say, this is a town where nothing gets done and they have no reason to believe anything will get done. >> in a town where nothing gets done, david, ultimately he is the president, doesn't it fall on him and doesn't he need to address that? >> i think he has addressed it right along and you know you -- you cannot make the argument that he's moved on a partisan basis and got too much done on a partisan basis and then say he's not getting anything done. you've got to ride one horse or another. but really, here's what i would say. we have always, always had the

door open to republicans and when you look at the things that the president's proposed his deficit reduction plan is -- as president clinton said last night, two and a half cuts to one part tax increases on upper income americans. it's a balanced plan that still leaves room to make the investments fwheeds to make. that's something that we ought to be able to agree on. if you take absolute positions, not one dollar of tax increases, we're going to take it all from cuts and we're going to -- you know, which would ratchet down the economy, and put new burdens on the middle class, that's not -- absolutism is not a prescription for compromise. the president's willing to compromise. the republican party calls compromise a dirty word and at least today's republican party. >> i do have a theory that the quote/unquote fever breaks for one or the other because the losing party will have the infighting and there will be that one crew that says you know what i'm tired of that side i'm going to work with the winning side, but david, ask you about a

guy we haven't talked about today, last night's normally the middle night was supposed to be the vice president's night. it seems as he's had a tough week. this new poll that's out that doesn't necessarily put him in the most positive light, asks for individual words to describe him, negative words than positive words, does he have to rehabilitate his image a little bit with the american public. >> he's playing a role that we wanted him to play tonight in essentially speaking before setting the stage for the president. he's had a bird's eyeview, a front row view from a partner standpoint of the decisions the president has made of the history of the last three and a half years and his testimony is really, really important to us and will set the president up nicely. so, you know, joe biden's been a great vice president. he's taken on some very tough jobs. >> great vice president. >> greatest ever. >> he might be perfect.

>> he is perfect. >> i love him. >> we have a no attack joe zone here and i am shocked, chuck todd, that you even thought to disparage him with this pew poll. witchcraft! >> joe. >> the republicans have beaten him up. they have really beaten him up. >> i understand that. but understand, he ran that recovery act, the potential for disaster was so great, he did a -- he did an incredible job running that. he was a point man on the transition in iraq. could have skidded off in a bad direction. he's done -- >> [ inaudible ]. >> that's up to you guys as to why he gets a bad wrap. >> certainly not our fault. >> your heart is not big enough. >> this is a guy that relates to the middle class and working people in this country well and you'll see tonight he's going to do a great job. >> yes he will. >> when you talk to him -- >> david clutching the chuck todd button as he makes the case. >> because i'm looking for the chuck todd 2016 buttons.

>> i love it. that's next. that's next. chuck. >> thank you very much. >> all right. >> hey, david, thank you so much. >> sure. >> absolutely. >> coming up, an awkward moment on the convention floor where the democrats try to amend -- >> can i say this for the record. >> david axelrod you're my second favorite david as well. >> when biden talks -- >> when biden and you talk, does he hold your hand like and -- like this and look at you deeply in your eyes? >> he does that to me. >> he's great guy. we love joe. >> an awkward moment on the convention floor when democrats try to amend their platform coming up. >> all those delegates in favor say aye. >> all those delegates opposed say no. >> in the opinion of the chair -- let me do that again. >> wow. >> yeah. not good. >> here's the difference again. we republicans, we do that at

10:04 p.m. >> right. >> on our peak night. democrats do that in the afternoon. >> absolutely. we're going to talk to the man behind the center of the controversy, los angeles mayor, antonio villa rig go sa. first congressman barney frank is here. we're in the saloon in charlotte. hey. hey eddie. i brought your stuff. you don't have to do this. yes i do. i want you to keep this. it'd be weird. take care. you too. [ sighs ] so how did it go? he's upset.

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>> welcome back to "morning joe." with us now democratic representative from massachusetts, congressman barney frank. barney, how are you doing, man? >> good, thank you. >> good to see you. >> so, barney, you have been in washington so long, you've been involved in public service for most of your life, you're leaving. how does it feel? >> liberating. i'm going to get to talk about all this business and be an advocate but not have to be responsible, so it's -- the good parts and not the bad. responsible for other people's problems when the phone rings now, it's not going to be so-and-so just screwed up. >> you've been guarded before? you've been guarde >> no. oh, no. i mean responsible for other people's problems. oh, no. i don't think i'll talk very differently. >> yeah. >> so, you've been to a lot of decratic conventions. we're trying to figure out the last convention where a party so

effectively conveyed their message. of course tonight is the punch line. i mean tonight is the night where the president has to deliver. if he fails, then the convention has failed. he's not going to fail. he's great. what's the last convention where the notes -- where you went to, where the notes seem to be hid as well as this convention? >> i haven't thought about it. i think '92 with bill clinton as a fresh face had a great impact. clinton was -- people forget he started out behind. he ran because nobody else wanted to. i think '92 was a very important convention. >> boy, they're hitting all the right notes. democrats are hitting all the right notes. unbelievable. >> look, obviously it's -- we got the music to sing from. the facts are good for us and yeah, i think we have been able to present that in an effective

way. >> handicap elizabeth warren and scott brown. i know you're for -- assume you're for elizabeth warren and all that, why is she a little bit behind? >> i'm very much for elizabeth. i wonder, now maybe i'm going to switch to the other side of the business, but i don't understand -- >> auditioning here. >> people on your side, why do you ask us questions when you know we can't give you fully honest answers. i mean, i'm not -- >> well -- >> i'm not an objective person. i think elizabeth warren would be a great united states senator pap. >> why is she behind. >> you should ask people why she -- the key story here is how close the race has been. two years ago, a year ago, people were writing about how scott brown was a walk-in, that this race was a nonrace, he's a very popular politician, good at what he does. there was a hunger in the -- in a way he benefits from what i think ought to be a problem for him and that's the right wing nature of the current republican party. people are so eager to find a republican that doesn't make

them just nervous and unhappy that he's got a very low bar he's being measured against. plus he is a very pleasant, nice person. and that is a great advantage of politicians. >> that is an interesting answer, worth a question. >> come on now. >> we were talking about some of the social issues and the prominence of the convention versus other parts of the dialog. the president has taken some pretty progressive positions on some important issues, including gay marriage, an issue important for you as a newlywed, congratulations on that by the way. >> my husband is about ten feet away over there. >> one of the big debates is a lot of swing states where there is whatever it is, 5, 6, 7% undecided, do those issues matter to swing voters at all? >> no. >> are they totally focused on the economy. >> i think the answer is this. if you are someone who cares very strongly about abortion one way or the other or rights of gay, lesbian, transection all

people of equal equality you're almost certain going to be one side or another. if you think that people like me shouldn't have full legal rights, you're not voting for -- if that's a major factor for you, you've been off barack obama for a very long time. i think frankly this works in our favor. the way things go now, i think the intensity on the issues of, for instance, marriage are on our side. but in any case, i don't think there are many undecided people for whom these are the key issues because if these are your key issues, these hot button issues you're already on one side or the other. >> which david, begs the question, why have we heard so many people outside of prime time at this convention talking about abortion. it's been a key part. i agree with barney, if you're for abortion rights, you're not voting for mitt romney. if that's your issue. why -- >> you might have voted for him earlier. >> right. >> exactly. but not this year. >> he was for it before he was against it. >> if the president has more

crossover appeal, more independent appeal like he had in 2008, if he can somehow achieve that, you know, maybe the coalition politics become less important. i suspect, there's such a focus here as the was in tampa on identity politics, that they want -- >> say this, i think todd akin has elevated that. i think what you have is a group of people there, republican leaning women and it's not just planned parenthood or abortion, it gets into birth control and planned parenthood. planned parenthood i'm willing to bet has had a significant republican female membership, correct me the democrats think frankly the hard edged and in some ways extremist views being expressed there, give us a chance to make a little break through. i was talking about gay rights. i think abortion there may be a little more play. >> can i ask you about governing and now that you're leaving congress, how do you see a

president and a second term if it comes to that, using perhaps more presidential power, some mandate to sort of break the log jam? is it more -- i thought they talked more background for the party, not being bullied off of positions, more of a lyndon johnson model and would that work in this environment? >> let me say, i don't think both sides have been bullied off our positions. we're not bullied by the republicans. people in my business are bullied by their constituents. they're the ones we're afraid of. this is what's going to make it better. you've had mitch mcconnell say his number one goal was to defeat barack obama from the election. that dynamic will be gone. people say in the second term you have less power. you're less of a target. the partisan most -- momentum against him, the need we have to stop this guy and keep him from winning again will be gone. i think there will be more republicans who have a willingness to do it. the other thing it depends on this election, one of the things that has happened is the

republican party is going to be moved significantly to the right. further on one side of the spectrum than any other political party has been before the civil war. we'll see what happens in november if that sort of very conservative republican thrust is rewarded at the ballot box and they pick up seats in the senate and house, the tendency will be reinforced. if they fall short i think look, there are republicans who are not happy with this kind of dominance from the most conservative wing. i think the question is will november give them a little more empowerment but the basic dynamic is, republicans will no longer be motivated by the need to defeat barack obama. they'll have to think more about how they want to position themselves for 2016 and i think that makes it a little bit more space to get to -- >> do democrats have lessons to learn from the last four years? >> i had one. i thought the president made a mistake in 2008, i have seen the evolution of a republican party that's moved to the right. when i was the first -- the

senior democrat on the committee i was on, i worked closely with mike oxley and i have seen this evolution to the right so i think the lesson the president has learned, and maybe he had to reach out, if he didn't look like he was reaching out he would have been criticized. when the president announced in 2008 he was going to govern in a post-partisan manner knowing what the republican party had become i told his people he was giving me post-partisan depression. i think he's learned now that was not working. >> >> there it is. >> hey, barney, thank you so much for being with us. >> okay. >> congratulations. chuck, thanks a lot. >> all right. >> we'll see you soon. thank you so much for coming and see you on "the daily rundown" and david gregory, you've got mitt romney. >> i do. i do. on sunday. he'll be my exclusive. big time to have him on. >> all right. >> lot of questions, here we go. >> all right. >> five years. >> coming up, our good friend congressman jim clyburn and congressman elijah cummings. right back on "morning joe."

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the matter requires a two-thirds vote in the affirmative. all those delegates in favor say aye. >> aye. >> al those delegates opposed say no. >> no. >> in the opinion of the -- let me do that again. all of those delegates in favor say aye. >> aye. >> all those delegates opposed say no. >> no. >> let me do that again. >> sense of humor. >> welcome back. that was a clip of democrats changing their party platform yesterday on the convention floor. joining us los angeles mayor and democratic convention antonio villa ra go sa. you got it. >> also with us -- >> by the way, the dude needs a

hearing aid. that was not two-thirds of the people. they set you up, man. they set you up. >> thankfully i got to make the decision and not you. >> that's awful. >> he has a good sense of humor. >> he does. >> also joining us democratic leader south carolina leader jim clyburn. >> thank you. thank you. >> ranking member of the house oversight committee. maryland congressman elijah cummings. >> all right. chairman, good to see you. it's like meacham it's like old home week. >> it is. >> congress here. >> it's your caucus. >> it is my caucus. mr. mayor, what happened yesterday? >> awkward. >> that was awkward. >> awkward. >> actually, happened was the president of the united states wanted a platform that reflected this values. >> yeah. >> in distinct to mitt romney who said he didn't agree with his platform on the issue of abortion. when the president heard about

and saw the plank didn't reflect who he was, his policies and positions i want a change. that's decisive action. so when we put it up for a vote, the first time, clear to me we had a majority vote. i wanted to make sure that every voice was heard. >> yeah. they were heard. >> sure did. >> three times, mr. mayor. >> and what you saw up there was a man willing to make a decision. >> wants to be speaker of the california state assembly. >> okay. >> it helps if you have -- >> it is important. they had ten minutes all those delegates to object. nobody objected. >> yeah. >> at the end of the day. so jim, i've been coming to these things since 1972. >> absolutely. >> and this is a good one. >> is this the democrats' best convention? >> the best one that i've ever experienced. i have never seen -- [ applause ] >> of course we have nowhere to

go but up if you remember 1972, mcgovern, 3:00 in the morning, making his acceptance speech. then -- yeah. >> back stage in miami. i know this is -- >> it was great. >> great convention. >> all the notes. >> charlotte has done itself great. >> yes, they have. >> elijah, what a politician, elijah. [ applause ] >> it is a pep rally here. so, but elijah, you look at what michele obama did the other night, bill clinton. the president actually for the first time in his political life he's got a pretty high bar to reach here. >> he's going to be fine. i think the president has to talk about what he's going to do from here. in other words, i've said over and over again, that what he's had in this past four years, he's had a congress, republican congress, that has gone against every single thing he has done. and hopefully, he'll be able to talk about the things he's done,

you know, talk about his journey, not blaming anything but talking about the mess he found himself in and now talking about what his accomplishments have been and protecting what he has accomplished. a lot of people forget that. protect what he's got. and talk about how he's going to continue on this platform he set up. >> mr. mayor, moving forward, jobs, how do you bring jobs to los angeles? how do you bring jobs to america? how do you get as mika said, the 53, 54-year-old worker who's been laid off twice. >> has nowhere to go. >> how do we turn the economy around is this. >> something we could do even before november is pass the president's jobs initiative, to keep teachers and firefighters and police officers on our streets, and another thing we could do, is to pass his infrastructure plan. it took us, what, 11 times to finally pass the surface transportation bill. there's about 3 million jobs in that. we can pass his infrastructure

plan, and we could add a lot more jobs. cities need a partner. >> that's not answering the question joe was asking about the long-term unemployed, mid level to higher level jobs, laid off one or two times who have nowhere to go, hanging out there. >> the romney/ryan -- >> job training at 50, absolutely. the romney/ryan budget would decimate a job force development. >> we have a border state congressman and two southerners here. talk about how does the president carry north carolina, how does he carry virginia? >> i think the president is in a real good place in north carolina and virginia. wish i could say the same about the states south of here that i represent, but we did our thing -- >> you did the primary in 2008. >> we built a good foundation for him. we sent about 2800 of our volunteers up to north carolina and we're going to do that again. we'll be working north carolina, virginia, we are going to win these two states and i think

you're going to do it -- [ applause ] >> by laying out the pathway that elijah talked about. i think people will be very, very pleased, last night we got a good explanation or maybe explaining from bill clinton. as you see. you got an explaining. he explained it last night. i think tonight the president will build upon that and show his vision for the future. >> all right. >> elijah, what about the house, the senate, how are democrats looking? do you take the house back over? >> i hope and pray we do. i think we have a good chance on both. we need dems in the house and senate badly to help this president get his agenda through. >> all right. maybe you can get the mayor to count the votes. he's good at that. >> and bang the gavel. >> can we listen to alex h is new boast is here. >> he's saying we have to go to break. >> we must go to break. >> mr. mayor, thank you. good to see you. >> congressman elijah cummings,

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♪ >> are we good? all right. hey, welcome back to "morning joe." time to talk about what we learned today. you guys having fun? what a crowd. i mean seriously, mark halperin, it's like beetle mania at jfk 1964. crazy crowds. what a convention. >> more like the [ inaudible ]. >> know what i learned bill clinton unifies the entire political media establishment. hyperbole is not possible. >> impossible. what did you learn today? >> i agree with mark halperin. >> thank you very much.

very succinct. brevity. >> i learned that president clinton longs for the days of the 1990s with democratic presidents and republican congressmen can get together. >> we just loved it. >> on issues like impeachment. >> that's what i'm trying to do, bring people together. >> i know you ha've been a litt upset about how nice people are to me in charlotte. >> oh, yeah. >> karen, she has a hug for you. >> even though you're a republican. >> i love you. >> you know what i'm a simple man, i love you too. >> you know what, i love you, i love michael steele because he's from maryland. >> right. >> go maryland! go maryland. >> maryland's in the house. what do you think of michael steele? >> nobody does clinton better thatten clinton. >> john? >> from mayor villaraigosa voice votes are an imprecise science. >> i don't know what's going on over here but i want no part of it. willie, if it's "way too early," my man, what time is it?

>> it's "morning joe." see you back here in charlotte tomorrow. stick around after the breakor chuck. 4g lte has the fastest speeds. so let's talk about coverage. based on this chart, who would you choose ? wow. you guys take a minute. verizon, hands down. i'm going to show you guys another chart. pretty obvious. i don't think color matters. pretty obvious. what's pretty obvious about it ? that verizon has the coverage. verizon. verizon. we're going to go to another chart. it doesn't really matter how you present it. it doesn't matter how you present it. verizon. more 4g lte coverage than all other networks combined.

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