security adviser often wields tremendous influence within the white house. according to foreign policy magazine, rise along with john kerry and defense secretary chuck hagel, will help form the nuke lulls of the foreign policy team that will likely oversee america's strategy. given america's myriad national challenges, the conflict throughout the middle east been and the widen down of theç warn afternoon, susan rice will have her hands full. in the past she's been a strong advocate for humanitarian intervention. last year in a profile in "the new republic" juliaoffry wrote -- push ugh for greater american involvement and humanitarian disasters may be something that aligns rice with, of all people, john mccain, a platinum member of the benghazi brigade founder circle.

can bygones be bygones? it's unclear. mccain tweeted this morning, i'll make every effort to work with her on important issues. joining me is michael eric dyson, and correspondent margaret tolub. from the north lawn of the white house is correspondent peter alexander, and we are also joined by "new york times" white house correspondent peter baker. peter alexander at the white house, i go to you first where you are live. jeffrey goldberg in "the atlantic" shows this calling of rice of the bull pen to nsa a spurtly a payback for susan rice's loyalty, but also a sign that president obama and susan rice areç in sync on a brought said of issues. >> i was struck by what jeffrey

wrote there. the irony in all of this is the fact when she withdrew her name as possible secretary of state, it looked like she was getting pushed to the side to some degree, but now going right to the hard of the president's foreign policy. in effect she kind of becomes the supervisor of the person who was ultimately appointed as secretary of state john kerry there. she's the one who sort of disperses the administration's foreign policy views and its desires throughout multiple agencies. she's also going to be joined, of course, in that sort of foreign policy epicenter as you described it by the samantha power becoming the u.s. ambassador to the united nations, though that will require what would be a tough senate confirmation fight, another interventionist, a person who fought very strongly for intervention, military intervention, in libya, though like president obama, she opposed intervention in iraq. alex? >> peter baker at the "new york

times" camp, peter, we talk about susan rice be an interventionist, how rwanda was a turn point for her, but jeffrey goldberg writes, folks who want a greater involvement in syria may be disappointed. he writes that the american experience inç libya, not the ouster of gadhafi, but the fallout from the overthrow may loom large over the next steps in and around syria. >> i think that's right. i think they have come into office with great aspirations and great theories how to manage the world. now they've been seasoned by 4 1/2 years of actually seeing how it works. susan rice knows better than the idea sounds better and easier than it turns out to be. while she, i think has been an advocate for a more assertive

policy, she also recognizes pretty acutely just how complicated it is. it's interesting to see her and samantha power in effect positioned on one side, if you will, on this sort of debate that sometimes happen inside this administration, and how you see john kerry and chuck hagel, the cabinet secretaries on the other side, much more restrained about their idea of using american power in situations overseas. >> i want to open this to our folks in new york. peter raises an interesting point, the dual access, two very strong take no prisoners no-nonsense ladies with brought experience in the area of genocide, and then donilon and kerry on the other side may be more cautious. in effect, riceç and power are very close to the president, and are in positions of great leadership, as far as crafting foreign policy. it's a real sort of seat change. >> well, that's right.

i think part of what you're seeing is this ongoing consolidation of power in terms of foreign policy and national security inside the white house, and i certainly that to continue inside of susan rice. with kerry in place, with donilon staying on through that transition, donilon himself played very much a role of corralling power, and getting everyone talking off the same page, at least publicly. i think we should expect that to continue very much, but i would not expect to see a sudden sea change in policy. >> and also the question is what can we actually practically do, but michael eric, thanks, and let us talk of susan rice for a moment. you and i were both indignant of her treatment in and around benghazi, the sense somehow she was the straw man for conspiracy theories. in the intervening days and weeks, benghazi continuing to be a sticking point, but it's

become more clear that susan rice basically delivered talking points. for that should she have taken the fall she did? i think it reflects a very emboldened yesterday who was out there talking aboutç judicial appointments and republican obstruction and now bolding over the heads of critics saying, you know what? the woman you didn't want to be secretary of state will have more power and there's nothing you can do. >> basically yesterday he was saying doing your job, i'm doing mine. there was a preacher who said god will allow you to make a comeback at the scene of your defeat. how more apropos. don't call it a comeback, i've been here all the time. the reality is not only does she get a chance to be close to the president. think of condoleezza rice and president bush, but now she has a supervisory role that allows her to craft and shape the very perception of foreign policy at its origin, not after the fact.

obviously the secretary of state to forge connections, she's actually in the conception business action and given she's one of the most brilliant minds alive, this plays to her strengths in such a powerful way. it's a kind of comeuppance. it is a kind of uh-huh, what did i tell you? this woman is able to display her extraordinary gifts. she extends and i think continues to, if you will, reverberate not as an chamber, but a powerful person who will reinforce the president's views on these foreign policy matters. she along with many others have been chastened, and i think that will show in a powerful way. >> to put it simply, how bummed is john kerry right now? i have read an analysis, and it says kerrly will basically be dithering on a middle eastern voyage while the real work is

going to be done maybe by susan rice. do you agree with that? >> there's something to that, obviously. it's been true for the last several -- the genuine policymaking comes out of that situation in the oval office. roosevelt room and the president is sitting down with the people he sees every single day, hours each day. having said that there's a reason why every adviser wants to be secretary of state. so there is still, you know, an important to that role. you are the public face of the country around the world. you have a pretty important assignments as well, but certainly john kerry and susan rice know each other well. she advised him during his presidential race, so it probably will serve them well in the coming months.

in other words, secretary of state not a bad gig. >> i meajl you know, as government work goes. >> some consolation prizes are better than others. peter alexander, one of the things that's confused folks, there were rumors of this being in the pipeline for quite a while, but the timing around it seems strange, with the bilateral meeting. tom donilon being sort of instrumental and very involved in all of that, is there any sense of why this is happening now? >> i i this i to make it clear, tom donilon, though he is resigning isn't going anywhere until july 4th. he'll be at the president's side during the shirt-sleeved conversations as rancho mirage california, near palm springs to try to help build up this relationship between the chinese leader and president obama, so in that sense, some people think the timing is a bit odd, but he still will be there and foreign

policy experts -- as we hear the cheering as the super bowl champions, the baltimore rachs are arriving at the white house with the president right now, but in many ways this is the legacy of tom donilon to help refocus attention to make the pivot toward asia, china. >> before we go, peter, what peter alexander just said, donilon7sç legacy will be the pivot to asia, we talk and talk and talk about that, and it seems it never happens, because something in the mideast change grabs the president's attention. will tom donilon be known for the pivot to asia, giving the fact it doesn't seem to have happened yet. >> he actually calling it rebalancing, doesn't like the

word pivot, but he was the one that went to beijing to set up this meeting we're about to see in california. i was with the president last fall when he went to asia, burma, thailand, kept talking about how this is a sign of his priority for a second term. he spent a lot of the time on the phone dealing with the crisis in egypt at that time. so, you know, that trip made clear, no merit how much you want to focus on asia and need to focus on asia, other parts of the world -- i think they look at that long term, yes, any given day, any given wee, the pivot to asia will look problematic, but ten years down the road, 20 years down the road, it had look like they set the stage for a broader, longer-term policy. >> peter baker, you get points in my book as referring to to as burma. we have to leave it there. peter alexander from the white house, thsnk you. thank you to "new york times'" peter baker.

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sdplee we are following the breaking news of the building collapse in philadelphia, as this time our local station wcau is reporting at least ten

people, they're looking for -- wcau is following the story. let's listen in. >> it appears as they might not need as muchç manpower and wom power here as they had all morning long in dealing with this thing when it first collapsed. so it looks as though it's getting to the point where they may have an idea of where those two people are, that they just need to be puff out of there and are safe, but, of course, you know, the police have been here with the cadaver dogs on standby in case this changes from a rescue mission to something that we really hope would not happen at this point. they are keeping their eyes focus. it's still a little tough for me to see. we're not getting the immediate

updays of what they're looking for, but i see about a dozen firefighters standing around to this one particular area, and one the police officers has told me they believe there are two people alive and well, and those are the folks they're trying to go after. we see there's a few gurneys still out here. once they get them, they could use those people to get them the treatment they need.ç this is the apartment complex, and two people are still believe toss trapped in there. they're working as hard as they can to locate the people and bring them to safety.

let me make some phone calls and see what other details i can scratch up out here. joining us former pennsylvania governor ed rendell. obviously a difficult situation, hopefully not a deadly one. it looks like the corner of market and 22nd street. >> it's in the downtown, what we call center city, mostly -- there's a conned minimum that was built two years ago. but there's one block on west market street the question is what caused it. was it a gas explosion in i'm

not sure. of course, was it just deterioration.ç they do a good job of inspecting buildings. my guess is when they see anything -- or the building cleared. >> and it looks to be a fairly busy area of the city. >> right in the hard of downtown. we will continue to bring you details. after the break el details on gallup's big polling fail.

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you can't trust polls, right, fox news? >> the way that fox news gives president obama an edge in key swing states. but that's with all likely ç voters. once you isolate voters extremely interested, the race is much closer. >> yes, much closer among the extremely interested. and when you focus on the inexpressably intrigue, and he's up by two points when you count only voters who are psychotically engaged. >> another day, another election post mortem for the republican party, remember, if you will, last fall when conservatives upset their man mitt romney was trailing, came up with a nominal explanation, the polls are skewed. the frenzy resulted in a

succession of figures. including those polls, taken by fox news. 9 truth, they argued was media bias was the driving force, with team romney running a deficit. >> i'm telling you, they are irresponsible. they are designed to do exactly what i have warned you to be vigilant about, and that is to depress you and so suppress your vote. >> when you average nine inaccurate polls, you get one inaccurate average. there's a deliberate effort to try to discourage romney people and encourage donors by portraying this race as anç oba walk. >> as it turns out one set of national numbers was slightly off. yet, gallup, the nation's oldest polling organization released a report explaining why the daily tracking poll had consistently

shown him, including the last survey that showed him beating obama by one point. romney ended up losing by one point. gallup identified four reasons, the polls had been distorted. the poll's underrepresentation of the eastern and pacific time zones, the questions regarding respondents' race and ethnicity and switch to only land lines listed in residential telephone directors joining us is visiting scholar at the institute for public knowledge eric base. eric, you can literally map the shortcomings to what is the mitt romney base, which is to say older voters, who have land lines, who live in the middle of the country action and bhor probably white. >> that's right. this is actually a part of a trend in polls, as voters have moved to cell phone. it's hard for the national polls

agencies to adapt to that. gallup has been the most conservative. i think that caught up with them,ç where the conservatism the people it was polling sort of sin sync the up. there are not only regions, but regions within regions. that's essentially what they were doing by leaving out some of the time zones while focusing on the regions. >> governor, you are a campaign strategist par excellence, and we've been seen a lot of these post mortems. specifically, do you think the gop has really learned from 2012? i mean, we had news out yesterday that marco rubio isn't sure he can vote on his own reform package.

>> let me say one thing about polls. polls inherently are based on assumptions. the assumptions are usually supported about i historical data, what's the percentage of turnout in this region. the polls, all of them got one thing wrong. traditionally african-american turnout yaw lower than white turnout, but for the first time i think in the history of the country, african-americans tornado out higher in percentages than the whites did. absolutely nobody got that. so that's an assumption that's hard to necessarilyç track. remember at the beginning of the year, the enthusiasm gap was supposedly on our side. our voters were depressed, republican voters were fired up. it didn't turn out that way. it's a great question. the republican party thinks still it's about messaging. they're idiots. it's not about messaging. it's about what the substance of what they believe in. look at what they've been doing in state legislatures in the congress, going to repeal obama

care again, a useless pathetic act that probably angers taxpayers, because it's a waste of money. pushing abortion restrictions in the states. their negativism toward a fair path to citizenship, the same mistakes. it's like they know where they went wrong and they're trying to lock in the defects. >> it's amazing to look at the archival footage saying this is a deliberate attempt to keep white people from the polls. >> i mean, boy, that's the sheep calling the right white. you know, as the governor has indicated, nobody saw it coming except the people in the communities that were being victimized who said, look, this could be the linchpin for a turnaround that would be significant. there were many people in these african-american communities and media communities saying, look, if these turn out the way we think they will, they'll be driven to the polls, and the

voters suppressm'. voters suppression ticked off minority voters. >> galvanized them in a very major way. the question is, of course, can you duplicate that, but for this significant event, it was huge. >> you know, we talk a lot about the president feeling more emboldened in his pick of susan rice, and yesterday two judicial appointees to the district court. we have this nbc news/"wall street journal" poll out and it shows the president has remained largely unharmed by this trifecta of scandals, i think that surprised people across the board on both sides of the aisle. the president remains someone in whom the public has confidence and the white house has played their hand exactly right but for the having his more forcefully address this stuffivities i think that is true. i also think what is happening action with some of the polls stuff, is that the population is changing, both in terms of

ethnic and racial diversity and this ratio of engagement to propensity to vote. the sort of people that voted in 2008 and that voted in 2012, and are paying attention to what the president does, and are the filter through which you read various scandals or potential scandals are different than the sort of traditional voter that gallup and other major polling firms set out toç track years ago. it is that nuance action that sort of shift? who are americans and -- >> and who will come to the poll. i wonder if you read anything heartening that is vis-a-vis the midterm. the conventional wisdom is the gallup type voters are the ones that go to the polls in great numbers. given the things that are at stake action you know, fundamental choices about the direction of the country, is it your sense that people will be more motivated in the coming months to go out and exercise their vote and to participate?

>> i think the mid terms are always tough. if you look back to 2010, that was the high water mark in terms of what the administration was getting done. so it's really hard to motivate people and get them out. it would be nice to think his popularity could carry over. >> yeah, certainly it wasn't abated by that, but i think what's interesting here is that if obama can take the bully pulpit he has virtually been forced to take, the effect on the 2014 elections might be a lot more positive, and i think he's got to run with it. the disinclination in the past to do so may have been relieved by the fact he'sen chastened. look at the judicial appointments. he was defiant, if you can take that kind of defiance and -- i'm

being defiant for you, the p populace, that can have an effect. we have to take a quick break, but we have more from philadelphia mayor nutter. >> the building collapse, the location was at 22nd and market street. the actual address of this building is 2140 market street. we dispatched companies at 10:43, and at 10:45 first companies arrive. the first companies are the companies that are stationed right up the street from the collapse. they gave a full collapse four-story property. what we actually have is a four-story property that collapsed onto a two-story property, which is the salvation army store, where many people

attend and get their services there. what we have is a demolition, an active demolition going on. we are in search and rescue. we have recovered a total of 12 so that's really good. we have located two others right now. we're in the process of strictistrict i extricating both of those people. it's the campbell construction that is doing the demolition at this time. 6 right now we have three

alarms, four fire alarms on location, and they are in the process of working this scene right now. again, 35 pieces of apparatus, about 125 people. we've had our technical team, as well as using other xhempl equipment to assist us.ç >> hold on for a second. the commissioner of licenses and inspections. we had a complete demo permit pulled back in february, the contractor's name was griffin campbell construction. the owner is richard basiano out

of a new york based firms. obviously we will provide you with further details as we get them and they come in. >> i want to keep some perspective on here. we've 12 people transported. i want to keep focused on the fact that our firefighters are actively engaged in a search-and-rescue operation. this is delicate and dangerous work. we have a significant number of personnel on the scene trying to see whether or not there are any other individuals possibly still

in the building. we doç not know whether there e or are not, so you don't need to ask any questions about that. we will continue until we are certain that anyone that might have been in the building is out of the building. we hadeed your assistance on this, given where we are, 22nd and market. there is a perimeter that's been established. i would greatly appreciate if all of you us could help us with getting information out. the perimeter area is from 18th street up to the schuylkill river, ben franklin parkway to walnut street north and south. we need people to stay out of the this area so our personnel can do the dangerous and delicate work that they are engaged in. where that, question would be glad to try to answer any question that is we can answer. we will not speculate on

anything in this particular regard. >> what about the structural history of that building? >> carl? >> it's been fine. no existing violations on the property. it was permitted, and the contractor did have a license. >> who was the contractor again? >> griffin campbell construction. >> how many workers were on site? >> we're getting that information at the time. >> is it mixed commercial and residential? >> yes. >> the permits were valid upç date? >> yes. >> had they been removing a wall -- >> i don't want to speculate at this time. the matter is still under investigation. >> there are other agencies that get involved in that kind of investigation. we're not going to make any speculation. this is something that happened at about 10:45 this morning. i think we're at about 12:30. we'll give you the information we have, but we are not going to

speculate in this matter. there will be other agencies outside of the city government that get involved in these kinds of investigation going forward. >> for clarity, for people who may be there. >> as anyone who comes through this intersection knows, and i come through here a million times, this is an active salvation army thrift store. people come here to get clothes or other items, possibly other services. it was in business, it was active. there are workers and of course possibly customers. at any point in time, you know, you're not necessarily going to know how many people would be in this store as you wouldn't know how many people are in any store at any particular moment. we want to make sure that we have done everything we can to get out anyone who was in the store, but all we can tell you is that 12 people have been transported, and we are looking for anyone else in -- possibly

in that structure, in that debris as a result of the wall collapsing on the salvation army store. we're not going to speculate at this time to whether things may be on that. >> reporter: can you say where the search is being concentrated? is there a basement area? can you tell us where -- >> commissioner? >> reporter: commissioner, where is the search being concentrated? >> the search is being concentrated in the front and the rear of the billing, but the search is the whole area. it's an active search and rescue, and we will search until we get to the basement. >> reporter: were there voices? did dogs find some evidence? how do you know? >> we have located people inside. they have talked to some of the folks -- to one of the persons that's inside. we have located them, and we're going to continue until we can get them out and get them to the hospital. >> reporter: what's the biggest

challenge? i understand your special ops team is here to try to do that. can you explain why? >> the special ops team, task force one is located in philadelphia now, we have their heavy rescue. the biggest challenge is the -- getting people all the tons of rubble on top ofç folks gettin them disentangled and extricated. we have walls, active movement in the walls, transiting on them, all of the equipment is out. the walls are shored, and we're going to do what we can to get them out safely. >> you say they talked to you. what did they say? >> they have not talked to me. >> any other questions? >> have you shut down lines because of the vibrations? >> no, we have the el that runs straight through with minimum vibration. the trollies run up here.

we've assessed the situation and we're continuing to work. >> reporter: can you recap how the collapse happened? you say one building onto another building? >> that's what it appears. we were not here when it collapsed, but we do know there's debris from the market street building onto the salvation army building. >> reporter: is that the other apartment building? >> well, it's a building that commissioner williams talked about. >> reporter: did it take down a portion of the building behind it? >> no, it's the one building and the salvation army building where we're focused. >> how many people do you think -- >> i have no idea. >> last question. >> what's the condition of the 12 people who have been taken to the hospital? >> they are classúç3? >> class 3. >> to stable condition. minor injuries, all been transported, all awake, conscious, and talking. thank you.

it's an incredible jobbing being done by the fire department. they'll make sure that -- >> the fact that the vms are only minor injuries? >> that's incredible. that was philadelphia mayor michael nutter, commissioner carlton williams and fire commissioner lloyd ayers. 12 people have been pulled from the rubble. two people are believed to be trapped in the bafblt. governor rendell, mayor nutter said that's incredible, given that they're class 3, no fatalities reported as of yet. >> you look at the building now, incredible that nobody was killed. incredible that nobody has serious, life-threatening injuries. we don't know about the people still trapped.

it wasn't an active demolition site. the question that will be examined, they want a demolition permit. should they have been given a permit to do work when there was the store nearby.ç my guess is it was probably the appropriate thing to do. when you demolish a small building, you don't necessarily close everything around it. >> the commissioner were saying there was no existing -- but they have closed down a perimeter area that runs from 18th to the schouylkill river. >> so if one of the people is trapped, does have life-threatening injuries, they can get them out without any traffic or blockage. >> it is a dramatic scene from down there in philadelphia.

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on tuesday morning, the nation's top military leaders came to capitol hill to face questions from the senate armed services committee regarding an epidemic of sexualç assault in the military, an issue that's reached disastrous proportions. in the last year alone, 26,000 sexual assaults in the military. of those 26,000, up more than 35% from last year, fewer than 1% resulted in a conviction. that is in large part because military commanders with no legal training rather than actual prosecutors with legal training, can decide whether or not an allegation should be investigated. yesterday for the first time senators from both parties

pressed military leaders on the epidemic within their ranks. >> we need to know how many women and men are being raped and sexually assaulted on an annual basis. we have not idea right now. >> not all commanders are objective. not every single commander necessarily wants women in the force. not every single commander believes what a sexual assault is. not every commander can division between a slap on the ass and a rape. >> there's a group of people not coming forward, because they near how they will be treated in this system. >> you have lost the trust of the men and women who rely on you that you will actually bring justice in these cases. >> fixing the broken system will not be easy. in the past month alone, the officer who ran the response branch was charged with sexual battery. the manager of the the program at ft. campbell was arrested in aç domestic dispute. a first-class army sergeant was

accused of secretly filming cadets in the shower, and a three-star general overturned the sexual conviction of one of his young pilots. the reason -- the pilot was, quote, a doting father and husband. despite this throughout the hearing, the nation's generals insisted the chain of command should not be changed. >> making commander less responsible, less accountable will not work. >> they must be part of the solution or there will be no solution. that's the way our systems operate. >> the role of the commander should remain central. >> but perhaps the biggest clue regarding what remains fundamentally wrong with the military chain of command was in plain view at the hearing yesterday. the pentagon sent 12 hoifrs to tell on the epidemic, and of those 12, exactly one was a woman. margaret, that reminds me of the famous hearing on women's health and contraception that begatt the campaign, where are the

women? apparently the. >> what a juxtaposition, very strong women making very strong statements interesting and engaging, and can we bring it back to susan rice? i think we really have a question here, which is whoç wl fundamental ' -- we know where the military brass stands on the issue. >> who will be charged -- this isn't necessarily a call for the president. the law has to be changed she will stay with us. good for her. clear clearly has to be taken out of the chain of command. i heard chain of command, it did

no such thing. in fact, it was more of a deterrent, because the police knew there was something out there watching them who doesn't inherently take their side. i'm not saying the chain of command, but they call from a context, a background and training that makes them inherently take the side of people in the uniform. >> which means they're inherently unjust. the problem is it is a culture of rapacious macheezmo, and we see what really is going on here. the reality is their practices have been fundamentally subversive of any sense of just gender relationship. look, this is not the wink and nod of men 50pp)s ago. we have to clean this up. i think it is an audible that the president can call. >> and he has said i am serious about this bill nelson said things are changing. i thought it was a real moment

when john mccain, a war hero said just last night, a woman came and said she wanted to join the military and could i give an unrequested video? and i could not. >> you have to remember it's not just that the commanders are siding with the soldiers, but siding against the soldiers who are the victims. the military command has had decades. if you look back to tail hook in the '90s, and not to mention the steady drumbeat, you know, that members have to endure from other soldiers. so the command structure has failed. and it has allowed criminality to be rampant within the ranks, so there needs to be another solution, and needs to be taken out of their hands so the crackdown can occur. >> heretofore, it hasn't been shaped in legal terms.

if we shape it in legal terms, then the chain of command has to be interrupted as a serious left. >> how ridiculous is it that a commander can upset a military verdict, and because he's a doting father. >> and in terms of the increase, i think you also have to recognize this is an unintended consequence of the wars in iraq and afghanistan on at least two levels. one is that the standards for soldiers have been dramatically reduced in what kind of criminal background or history you -- and that's been a direct consequence t. the other is one of the generals themselves admitted in the hearing yesterday that he took his eye off the ball, this no longer became a priority in the context of multiple wars, so for two reasons you have this increase going on that directly tied to the wars. >> for president obama, there's a conflict of so many important events and transitions.

you're looking at a time when women are moving into combat roles, looking at a time when he's willing to shake up the establishment in terms of pushing on the gales in the military front. you're looking at him seeking a real legacy of not just empowering women in sort of a vague political sense, but in terms of actual positions of power, and a transitional way from war. >> over the way, where i think the status quoç is going to be politically very difficult to sort of drive with the positions that he's taken on many other things and to what extent he steps in and what extent he relying on congress and what congress is willing willing to do. >> that's where the rubber hits the road. will john mccain support taking this out of the chain of command?

>> i don't know how -- governor, i don't know how he can't, given the tame he just made. he can't recommend send sending children into service. >> the comment that she sort of stepped back from yesterday, there is -- there is an old guard and a new guard in the congress, and the old guard is trying to change, but it's -- it's a cultural shift, right? as well as a political shift. >> the wolf presiding over the hens, and it will be devastating unless we just interrupt that process, the culture and the legal side have to be hand in hand. >> i will just reiterate. the gravity of the situation is reflected in the numbers, since 1991, more than 500,000 men and women in the military have been assaulted. half a million people. >> and we have a military of how many? all total? 2.5 million? >> giving those percentages, change must be had. we'll bring you an update.ç

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