my gynecologist. my pharmacist. citracal. citracal. [ female announcer ] you trust your doctor. doctors trust citracal. thanks for disrupting your afternoon and happy father's day. i'm karen finney, let's get started. >> does the president feel that he has violated the privacy of any america? >> he does not. >> what do you think of edward snowden? >> i think he's a traitor. >> snowden's wrong. he could not possibly have done the things he claimed he was able to do. >> i have trouble believing this somebody in his position, as a contract employee, had access to the kind of things he is talking about. >> the government grants government employees and government contractors clearances. so this is a government issue. >> the president well comes a public debate on these questions

because he does say be and will say again in days ahead, that we have to find the right balance. >> the president of the united states aught to be able to stand up and say, this is a righteous program, right program and saving american lives and i support it. >> overseen by congress, briefed aggressively to every member of congress. >> what do you make of the president suggesting, well i had to -- >> i don't pay allot of attention, frankly, to what barack obama says. i'm obviously an fan of the incumbent president. >> hey there, very have a lot happening this afternoon. the president is a few hours away from the g-8 summit in northern ireland. where we know he will talk about sir w

syria. the president is playing defense on both issues which could threaten efforts to gain support from g-8 leaders. politics editor for the pbs news hour, heather hurlbetter, jim michaels, thanks to you all for spending your time with us this afternoon. christina, i want to start with you because one of the things that struck me this morning is that it seemed like the white house chief of staff was trying to sort of lay the ground work for the president in advance of what we know is probably going to be tough discussions that he will have with other leaders that have lofts questions about the nsa. it seems like mcdona was out there. we heard him say a number of times that president will be addressing this issue. and that congress was briefed they were fully briefed but it felt a little defensive to me. what was your take? >> the white house is on the defensive right now about this. but what is really important to point out and what the president has been pointing out continuously is that congress did approve this program and so it is about how broad it is and

how much the american people are paying attention and how much they are bothered when it is sites like facebook or going el and feeling like their own privacy is being violated. that's when you see more specifics come out from the government trying to get these stories in the newspapers right now. and from the white house actually agrees you'vely saying look we were able to stop terrorist attacks because of some of the information. >> right. jim it was sort of interesting that there is a reversal of fortune with odd bed fellows today and cheney is defending the program and we had other republicans as democrats who have been continuing to be skeptical if you will. what kind of position does that put the president in? again, heading to europe. a lot of leaders have a lot of questions. we still have a lot of questions for the president. >> sure. i think that, and i mean, it is interesting, because even the head of the nsa has said now, he wants to declassify as much as he possibly can and i think what

the administration is doing in coming days and weeks is trying to convince the american public that these programs have actually disrupted plans terrorist attacks. i think that will be his strategy moving forward and the most effective strategy. >> don't leaderships have questions about whether or not citizens within their borders were targeted? >> absolutely. it is not only that, but the intelligence agencies coordinate with each other and share information with each other. this goes to a critical element of trust. and if any of these countries worry about this information leaking out and whether the u.s. is a reliable part, and that's going to be a problem, and of course domestically within their countries, there will be concerns over spying. >> absolutely. heather i will shift gears just a little bit. we had sort of an interesting back and forth with the former vice president. today talking about the war on terror and whether we are still

in a war on terror or is the war on terror over. let's take a listen. >> lethal, yet less capable al qaeda affiliates. businesses abroad. homegrown extremists. this is the future of terrorism. as we shape our response. we have to recognize that the scale of this threat closely resembles the types of attacks we faced before t9/11. >> well, first of all, he's wrong. if you look at safe harbor sanctuary with plan and train and botched across the united states, it runs across north africa. for example, the brother of muslim hood has come to power. so the threat is bigger than ever. >> what struck me about that response from the vice president and when you listen to what the president is talking about, i felt like the president is talking about, this is the new

normal. this is the reality and we have to be prepared to deal with this on a day-to-day basis. that's why we have the nsa programs, for example. in the bush years, the things that they were doing on in secret depended on the idea we have this global war on terror with this unseen foes, if you will. where i think now we are in a different place. >> the first thing about what cheney said today is that cheney seems to define any muslim entity that he doesn't like as a terrorist group. and you can have all kind of concerns about muslim brotherhood governments without saying they are terrorist. which is an allegation there is absolutely no support for. particularly in egypt or tunisia or saying that any of the spaces in north africa, there are concerns about terrorism. so the first thing to recognize is when dick cheney says terrorist, he means muslim entity we don't like. second point and karen, as you

say, much of the way at bush administration structured the u.s. response to terrorism was built on the idea that we were at war and that we could behave, and use our armed forces and intelligence and the bush administration was doing things that is has now come out that obama administration is doing without court support. you can feel right or wrong about it but at least at some point when half of the senior justice officials threatened to resigned, they did get a warrant. it is very much this mind-set that all muslim entities we dent like or entity -- or enemies can usefully be defined as terrorists. and obama very much to his credit, whatever you think of the tactics he used tried it move us into a different frame of thinking about how we relate to the muslim world. >> exactly. the other sort of again big issue today, syria, it seemed like during the shows, everybody was kind of piling on, right?

first it was some amount of satisfaction when the president made the announcement on thursday. now today for the most part, it was, it is too little too late. we need a no-fly zone despite the fact that putin made it clear yesterday that russia does not accept the idea of a no-fly zone. let's take a listen then we will talk about it on the other side. >> the question is whether or not they are a day late and a dollar short. >> time is not on our side. >> in a sense that would be bad for us? thz will turn out to be one of those cases where the united states will set itself up for defeated. >> they really do have to look at a no-fly zone. >> no boots on the ground is sort of everyone's position, including mine. >> it seems to me they is a great media strategy. they don't have a great syrian strategy. >> the fact it has taken this white house and this president so long to get a clear and concise policy on syria has left us with the worst possible scenario right now. >> all right. i will pull this a part a little bit. jim, you spent time in iraq. i do think that when a lot of us hear what is going on, it just

does not sound realistic, this idea we won't end up with boot on the ground. may start with weapons. then no-fly zone. how do we afly a quagmire here? >> i think one thing to keep in mind is it has taken the administration more than two years just to get to this point here. and here is what happened, i think. important to take a look at rebels started losing momentum. they lost came key cities. and the concern was that the momentum would go in assad's favor. the administration felt they needed to do something. >> right. >> they are talking about arms. but here is the problem moving forward. it is not entirely clear that the rebels don't have plenty of small arms and ammunitions. different levels of ammunition and weapons. but the real key now is how do you turn the tide on the ground without getting into deeper and deeper involvement. >> right. >> this is what they are trying to do. ratchet it up little by little.

they need to address what the rebels need. what kind of key weapons they need. more importantly, they need to get the rebels, if they want to change the situation on the ground, coordinated, moving in the same direction. and trained so that they can turn the tide. >> and actually, christina, quickly, to that point, it seems like, at left now with what the white house is saying, is they have been using this time to try to figure out who is the moderate opposition, get intel on who we should be giving arms to and assess the needs jim is talking about. that seems to be their strategy over the last weeks. >> yes, it is. and they are staying over and over again and consulting with congress on the best way forward. we're not sure that arming the rebels is the right way forward. what is interesting in the montage you showed, with republican people, there is a lot of criticize em. these people will criticism the president no matter what.

and a lot were critics criticizing him, on the benghazi attack. but democrats are weary as well. there is no sort of boots on the ground. one thing you see going around quite quite a bit is 1993 article, showing the united states helping osama bin laden. we would like it arm him. he is like the rebel insurgency here. the idea there are consequences down the line, the white house very aware of and that's why they are saying they are getting as much information as they can before they make decisions? >> exactly and though know americans are listening to that. next, the irs scandal that isn't a scandal. try as they might, cheney's argument keep getting disrupted by the facts. stay with us. >> some guys on their own picking out a political class to go after, that they would do that, without doing -- >> mrs. cheney is giving you a

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all right, we've got to ask. after trying to connect the irs controversy to the white house, does darrell issa even have anything? sure, he acts like he has. 's alleged that washington directed the irs? in cincinnati. >> they were directly ordered from washington. >> but there's no evidence in that in the inspector general's

report and issa decided to release selected portions of the transcript which ended up proving -- well, nothing. see, as democratic count are part fought back and he called on ice issa to release the full transcripts, a conservative republican in cincinnati basically said that white house was not involveed. >> and he made it clear that he was the one who sent the file -- the initial tea party file up to the technical office of irs in washington. and then he -- >> go ahead. >> then he went to his and said look, i want you to look for other cases that might be similar because we want it treat them all the same. >> now, issa thus sffar refusedo release more transcripts and yet another so-called scandal seems

to be falling apart as his credibility is. jonathan capehart is a washington editorial writer. thank you so much, my friend. >> so eager to disrupt. >> let's disrupt, baby. so i think when we see the full transcripts, we will get a sense. so he says, close the chapter on this. >> it is good that congressman cummings did this. when this scandal, so-called scandal, broke out, people looked around and thought, okay, well, isn't that what the irs is supposed to do? not target but if someone wants, is asking for tax-exempt status, shouldn't the irs ask questions? the issue here is what became the scandal was how involved was the obama administration. and republicans, particularly congressman issa, chairman issa, was eager to have this scandal fit into the overfar right, is

this overbearing overarching form of government. >> one of the point that cummings made is that actually this gentleman in cincinnati was trying to do his job better. he was trying to figure out a bet are way to select and he asked for guidance from a tech technical person in washington, which has nothing to do with the white house, actually. >> nothing at all. in the clip you showed, darrell issa saying, we have it from washington. now is that the head quarts or white house? you and i wouldn't think the white house. but folks at home in the middle of the country and in communities here, even in the metro area who aren't paying attention to politics the way we do, when they hear washington, they think president. they think white house. >> so of course, our friend dick cheney even decided to get in the game. he kept up the charges this morning. i think we have some sound to listen to. >> i have trouble believing two guys in cincinnati dreamed this

scheme up. i just don't think that's true. i personally believe i cannot conceive of the situation which it didn't come from higher up. >> he is my theory on this. it seems like, you've got darrell issa losing credibility. we've seen stories to that effect. now you've got dick cheney and other conservatives trying to keep this thing alive, right? they need this scandal, if you will, to be alive. and it strikes me that real reason is because this is part of the larger plan when it comes to the affordable -- you know i'm a conspiracy theory -- >> let it roll. >> they can deny the irs at additional funds they need for the implementation of the affordable care act which would cover how many? 6 million people next year. seems to me that's why they are trying to keep the stand yl alive. >> this is a very good theory. and i'm not using conspiracy. because look, republicans in the

house have tried, 37 times, to get rid of obama care. and now with the irs having a big role in the implementation of the affordable care act, this is a good way for them or at left to try to -- >> they've been trying a number of ways, right. >> and this would be another way for them to do it. i have to say, if you are looking to vice president cheney, to sort of, jump-start your nonscandal, i mean, i can't think of another person or institution that is, you know, more lowly viewed than vice president cheney. oh, wait, congress. >> oh, yeah, them. we're going to leave it there. jonathan capehart, thank you. >> thank you. >> happy father's day, even though you're an dad. >> but i have a mom and i wish her a happy father's day. >> you are watching "disrupt" on msnbc. [ female announcer ] does your vibrant color

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march 18, rnc announcing why republicans failed to win back the white house last november. >> our message was weak, ground game was insufficient, we weren't inconclusive. we were behind in data and digital. and our primary and debate process needed improvement. focus groups described our party as narrow-minded. out of touch. and quote, stuffy old men. the perception that we're the party of the rich, unfortunately, continues to grow. >> that sounds about right. as if they needed focus groups to tell them what was obvious to the rest of us. 97-page rnc growth opportunity project found the prty needed to do a better job with connecting to the youth vote. the hispanic vote.

the female vote. the african-american vote. the lgbt vote. here we are months later. how is that change working out for them? let's look at this weekend's faith and freedom forum. >> is conservatism due? absolutely, positively no. the left likes to think that we are the fringe. guess what? you, us be we are the mainstream. >> college campuses are the abortion industry. >> they love families. >> everyone of those people and the tens of millions of people that they will bring in, they will be absolutely voting democratic. >> we are the party of equality. >> by and large, i think all-americans should be protected. but we are based on orientation. >> let's not kid ourselves in believing we can rebuild our majority. rewarding rule breakers, no

border security, no special written amnesty bill. >> how do you reach out to blacks, asians, hispanics and other minorities. my answer is, same way you reach out to white people. >> we're not running against john kerry and al gore any more. the old ways used to work. but they're not going to work any more. >> we me now to help assess the gop's progress or lack thereof is none other than former dnc chairman and my former boss, governor howard dean. happy father's day to you. >> thanks, karen. i refer to you as my former boss. >> i know, i appreciate it. here is the thing that strikes me. back in march when priebus announced the play book it sounded to me like a lot of what he did is take our talking point and a lot of what you talked about specifically when owe talked about the need to show up talk to people and reach out and be in communities, but here is

what struck me, governor. when we did what we did, we had polling that showed that people agreed with us. it was a matter of changing how we talked about things. but when you look at where the republicans are, majority of people don't agree with them. and yet they think it is just a matter of changing some words around. >> well, first of all, i do think we have to give rans rans priebus some cred the. they allow the extremes to live in this fantasy that they are the majority. they are not the majority. it is not just about values. a lot of stuff you just played in that clip was about hey, it was about anger about immigrants, gays, women, women not making their own decision,

and that does not sell. the under 35 crew absolutely reject it. they are never going to throw their friends under the bus. >> governor, i think that makes the point you're making. on the one hand you have priebus saying, here is what we need do to do. on the other hand, they won't stand up to their own fringe -- well, they say they are not the fringe. but clearly they are still trying to figure out how to have it both ways, appeal to center and have the far right with them. >> karen, as you talked about in the earlier session with jonathan capehart is people in congress are always overreaching. i think boehner kind of gets it but he is not in control. for darrell issa, has had a credibility problem ever since he engineers the overthrow of gray davis in the recall. then wanted it run for governor himself and the republicans stepped in and said, no, you don't. he is an guy who is credible.

>> they are then, the defacto spokesman of the republican prty, and then they are not credible. that's why people aren't really upset about the irs. they just don't believe them any more. >> i think the other thing is so much of what they talk about is so disconnected from the reality of this country. take a look, census date gentleman reraa released, showing that by 2033 whites will become minority. if you look at the way they have tried to reach out to african-americans by disenfranchising them at the polls or to latinos, by some of the hateful rhetoric on immigration reform or to women by trying to restrict our rights, there's a disconnect there.

>> yeah, all this talk about rape and other things they engage in. i will give you an example of what they say that is incredibly stupid. they get they have to do something about immigration though now they have to deal with the right wing and their party that won't. but on july 1st, the student loan rate for students in this country will double. >> right. >> trt rate. the interest rate. and the republicans did that. obama wants it move the rate back and extend it to what it is. elizabeth warren has a bill to charge students for their loans, same things that banks get to pay the united states government which is three quarters of 1%. and republicans are in there jamming it to the students. now if you want votes in the next generation you probably aught not to jam it into the students and doubling their interest rate. i can't understand what these people are thinking on the republican side. >> here's thing, governor, they

will call that more free stuff. that's part of the rational about why obama got voters, 47% take, the makers and takers. and i have sound to play for you. sounds like this class warfare, demonizing poor and low income people who may need government assistance who may need to help them take that next step. we had paul ryan in september of 2011, talking to star parker for the center of renew and education and he called the people that rely on the programs. takers versus makers. we will make some sound. >> right now, according to 60 to 70 percent of americans, pay more than they pay back in taxes. we have a net majority of takers versus makers. >> how does that language help reach out to people. >> right. >> they've got two problems

here. first of all of course they don't conclude things like roads which benefits, not just motorists, but also trucking companies and business community and railroads and others, benefiting the wealthy and the poor. they made their live fing for a long time talking about welfare and queens and beating up on poor people. there are a lot of middle class people worried about becoming poor and to go after the benefits of middle class people like social security, like student loans and medicare, those things are killing the republican party right now. you're right and i think a lot of middle class families have relied on the programs to stay afloat the last few years. >> right. >> governor, thanks for joining me. great to see you. >> thanks, karen. thank you. >> next, men of science, they are not. but do they hold the key to the water we drink and the air rebreath? stay with us. we went out and asked people a simple question:

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so let's talk about the house committee on science, space and technology. then men and women dictate and shape science in our country. they make sure the air we breath and water we drink are safe for consumption. what is alarming about this committee is not about what they do, but who is actually on it. you might think that people on this committee would want to enhance our envest nmts science and technology. unfortunately the could be servetive numbers seem to be more interested in stopping it. take a look. >> we don't know what the other cycles were caused by in the past. could be dinosaur flatulance. >> the big bang theory is lies straight from the pit of hell. >> this president spends 30

times as much money on global warning research as weather forecasting and warning. for this gross misallocation, the people of oklahoma are ready to accept the president's apology. >> even the chairman, congressman smith, takes issue with some of our most basic scientific beliefs. earlier this year, smith drafted a bill to put major restrictions on the national science foundation. that's the group that funds scientistic research and has been for hundreds of nobel lauerats. johnson writes, this is the first step on a path that would destroy the merit based review process at nsf and intrudes political pressure in what is widely viewed as the most effective process for awarding research funds in the world. the ranking house member on

science and technology, thank you jurfor joining us. >> thank you. >> and bill nye the science guy. thank you both. >> thank you. good afternoon. >> i want it start with you because it feels like the -- that republicans actually on the science committee at this point are more about an anti-science agenda rather than furthering our interest in science. >> well, some days it seems that way. actually, i don't want to be that critical of my colleagues. but it is very difficult some days to sit there and hear some of the ideas that they generate from somewhere. it is clear that without research and good research, we wouldn't be where we are now. we wouldn't be able to predict the weather or save as much property as we're saving now. we're trying to get around it save more property but we have saved so many lives because we have been able to predict what weather is coming.

>> right. bill, to that point there is an economic benefit of scientific research and investment. some would argue for the united states it remain a world leader we have got to continue to invest in scientific research. >> you have crystallized my thoughts. just bear in mind that these people are very well entrenched in congress. they aren't going anywhere. this is not unusual. these people are very well ensconced and one of the problems that we have, and that you guys talk about quite often is how much time congress people have to spend getting re-elected. so they do that. and then they end up on the science committee and we all have to find ways to work together. so my argument, i spoke with this committee earlier this year, is that it is economic.

that ten years from now, people in high school, people winning scholarships for science and high school, 15 years from now they will be running things. and so, this investment is not especially long-term. you might think of it as medium term. so i try to get everybody in the committee to appreciate we would not have smart phones. we would not be predicting the path of any tornado or understanding the force of our tornado or the width. we would not understand hurricanes or have electricity. we would not have any of this stuff without the progress of some -- >> it seems like a few of these guys paying better attention in their biology class, they would understand how a female body actually works and does not work. >> that is extraordinary. i will give you that. that is an odd business. >> congressman, last question to you here, an epa study, this goes to why this is so important. the epa studying the effect of the clean air act, shows that it saved $22 trillion between 1970

and 1990. and by 2020 will have saved over 200 thousand lives. again, investment in science it seems, is not just, you know, good to do in terms of the future in smart phones and those things, but there is a benefit to our health as well as our economy. >> you're exactly right. there has not been a single dollar investment that did not bring back 3 or $4. not only is it better for lives when we find these findings that are bet are for the environment, and breakthroughs, congressman bernice johnson and beill nye te science guy, thank you for being here. >> thank you. and happy father's day. >> happy father's day. stick around, we've got much more. our commitments.

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i want to wish a happy father's day to all dads, including my own. hi, pop. especially to dads who are serving in our military who can't be with their families today. whether someone is deployed or a spouse here at home with kid, our military is facing unique challenges. there are support for those here at home to help with the issues they face. i'm honored to be joined by two spoiss. vivian, policy director of blue star families. and her husband is a commander in bahrain. and brian brenly whose wife is currently stationed at nato hospital in afghanistan. happy father's day, ryan. >> thank you. >> vivian, i want to start with you talking about blue star families. what you do is serve military families and get a sense of what their concerns are. i want to talk about some of these concerns. military pay and benefits,

changing retirement benefits and spouse ep employment opportunity. tell us about the survey and results. >> sure. thanks for having us today. the top five concerns generally tend to congregate around two things. financial health and wellness around military families and also, general health and wellness of military families. specifically with regard to the effects of war on our children. both with their ability to pursue education and the effects of deployment on their mental health and wellness. >> what are you finding with resources, one of the things do you is connect people to resources. are there good resources for families with their kids? >> there are. there is a great group we work with that helps us distribute the survey. the military childhood education coalition which has on their website a spectrum of resources available it military children. we have also, in conjunction

with other leading organizations, created a deployment and reintegration tool kit for military family members and friends of family service members to look at what can happen at predeployment, deployment and post deployment and reintegration for military families. >> ryan, i know it is your wife's first deployment outside of the united states. what kind of challenges are you and your daughters facing? >> well for us, my wife is a reservist. so we don't live on or near a military base. my children don't see themselves as military kids for the most part. so we lack the -- a very close-knit military community to support us and we rely on other support functions. >> actually, i think we can -- vivian, if i recall correctly, on your website, you have resources actually for reservists. this has been a big issue since

the start of the iraq war. how do we bring if families of reservists into what was previously just services for active duty members. >> that's so true. and i -- it hurts to hear bryan say they don't feel they are part of the program because some of our programs are organized to guard families. we have a lot of resources available. we are very aware of the need to meet military families where they are at. >> bryan, sounds like if you check out the website there might be good resources.

i do think this issue of childr children, who have parents who have been deployed, how are your daughters handling your wife's deployment? >> when we talk about mom being gone, we pray for debbie and just thinking about her, we send her e-mails and messages and packages to stay in touch. and so the girls really do try and keep mom right at the forefront. but they really do miss their mother. especially being 12-year-old twin daughters and me trying to walk them through sixth grade. hasn't always been the easiest

challenge for me. >> on the positive side, there are positive benefits actually for children. with adaptability, independence, resilience, pride and knowing it is hard when a loved one is away. >> that's a great question because we know that there are challenges that are in their lifestyle so we want to mitigate and focus on the positive. like increase during deployments are a chance for families and especially children to increase resilience. if they are met where their needs are to fooeel that suppor. they increase adaptability and sense of pride. a lot of that goes back to the connection the child field with the community and they feel that community, their teachers, clergy members, civic organization leaders. are vested in showing them that what their parent is doing is

important to the country and that they are also serving too. my son wrote a letter to his father and it said, daddy, thanks for saving the world. >> we have the opportunity here it send messages to your loved ones. ill start with you, vivian. >> i guess i would say, mike, your title is best french toast maker is safe. we went out to another diner today to find french toast and we are still waiting for when you get home to make us your french toast. >> bryan, any message for your wife? >> deb, we love you, miss you, we pray for you all the time. and god speed. we just cannot wait to have you home and help us with some of the nursingish i issues that we around the house.

>> thanks you. our prayers are with you and all of the military families and men and women currently serving. stay with us. we've got much more ahead. but on this father's day, we wanted to take a look at president barack obama's recent commencement address where he talked about his job as a dad. >> my whole life, i've tried to be for michelle and my girls what my father was not for my mother and me. i want to break that cycle. we're fathers not at home. fathers not helping raise that son or daughter. i want to be a better father. a better husband. a better man. all business purchases. so you can capture your receipts, and manage them online with jot, the latest app from ink. so you can spend less time doing paperwork.

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all right disrupters. we specifically wanted to know, do you agree with the obama

administrationes a decision to begin arming the syrian rebels. as promised, we wanted to share some of your responses. charlene in washington state says quote insanity, doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. will we be arming the next osama bin laden? a very good question and one that a lot of people have been asking. michael from utah agrees that we should think twice before getting involved. he said, quote, i would love to see this government spend the money on infrastructure and rebuilding our our country. if we are strong at home, we will be strong in the world. ruthy says peace talks and diplomacy. if we can't make peace, what good are we? and david said within quote, potus should be extremely cautious about syria. we don't know who the resistance represents. also, where's israel? this is a lot of the conversation going on. please keep the great comments coming.

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