it blew up so quickly in size over the last 24 hours hundreds of firefighters haven't been able to get ahead of it. at one point the fire split in two. cut off escape routes forcing those who hadn't left yet to seek shelter where they were. a few managed to get out. >> i'm doing okay. i don't have much of a house. front lines. this is happening in the mountain region around. >> we don't have much information about containment at this point. >> the fire is burning out of control.

>> firefighters haven't put fire breaks around the fire. it is moving where and when it wants. the problem is you may be able to hear it. whipping winds ignited and sparked this fire yesterday. it was a small fire. there was about 300 acres yesterday afternoon. it exploded out of control, burned through the night. we are now at 10,000 acres charred. some 1500 people have been evacuated from their home. the big concern will be the explosive fire growth. this has been called a critical fire because the area is essentially burning in a tinder box region of southern california that's dry. the hills in decades. it burned some time ago. it was a deadly fire. killed five firefighters during the espe ranza fire. the big concern is battling the conditions on the ground. trying to use the air attack to beat back the flames. the wind will be the big

question today. >> such a big challenge. miguel alma gar, keep us posted. the flap over the republican national committee's threat to exclude nbc and cnn from the 2016 presidential primary deb e debates is heating up. reince priebus says they won't if they go ahead with the film on hillary clinton. he defended his decision on kwoez joe. >> i have to set a debate calendar with the best interests of the nominees and party in mind. if i have nbc doing a miniseries with diane lane portraying i will clint on a four-day miniseries it makes my choice of moderators easier. it's not to make news. >> in the statement nbc news said uh it is independent of nbc entertainment. has no involvement in the project. i want to bring in the agenda panel.

the cofounder of jack and jill politics blog. steve benin from the rachel madmaddow show and maria kumar, president and ceo of voter latino, a political contributor. great to have you here. now that we have you together in one place i want to play part of the interview getting a lot of attention. ree reince priebus agreed to appear on "morning joe" because he knew he would be treated fairly. take a look. >> i'm not going to have you moderate the republican debates in our primary. there is a difference. because you're not interested -- because you're not actually interested in the future of the republican party and our nominees. that's not a slam on you, mika. i have to choose moderators that are actually interested in the republican party and our nominees. it's not going to be nbc if they continue to go forward with this

miniseries. >> all right. reince priebus speaking to mika. said he agreed to appear on the program because it was fair but then said mika wasn't fair and he would never pick her to be a moderator because she doesn't want to see the best interesting -- it was mind-blowing. how telling is that statement that reens appears to ince prie for comfortable places to stack the deck. >> earlier this year today said they want to reach out to a larger audience, go beyond fox and red state and conservative media. here we are. we see reince priebus on msnbc saying he's interested in moderators interested in the republican party's future. in other words he wants moderators not neutral, objective. in his words who have the best interests of republicans at hear. that's a remarkable statement that say suggests the 2016 cycle will be more of the same in

which the party is talking to republicans and no one else. >> mika would be great. she's the co-host of a three-hour political show. who knows more about the movements oh of whoever will be on the republican ticket more than someone like her. when you think about the autopsy report we saw it in the spring. it talked about doing less debate. is this counterintuitive to what the gop wants when you think of people who might be watching on cnn and nbc? aren't they cutting out a huge block of voters? >> and they are not expanding the race. if they go back into the hole and pander to the republican base which is an old ohher generation that basically doesn't reflect the growing democrat grifks and changing democr demographics how will they get the white house? that's the big ticket item here. making sure we are questioning the integrity of journalists that are supposed to be

impartial and the job is to bring out the best in each candidate and identify where they stand with the american public doesn't make sense. >> it's about taking down the truth in all of this. i want to get this out there. nbc entertainment is saying they have many projectses in development. in this particular miniseries which has nothing to do with the nbc news division is in the early stages. the script has not been written or order ed to production. it would be premature to draw conclusions or make assumptions at this time. do you think reince priebus is doing this, doing his job well in the fact that he can drum up news. people will hear the name hillary clinton, fund raisinging events on the right, they can get money. no matter what cnn or nbc entertainment does, if it is doing a biopic on the clintons and hillary it won't be flattering. the things that draw ratings are

scandals, the issues of where fault happened in their lives. >> sure. i think reince priebus is being short-sighted and cynical. whether it is voter i.d. laws that make it difficult for seniors, minorities and students to vote, whether it is the obstructionism in the house and senate that's driving the rest of america crazy or whether it's shutting down political debate, the question for me is are republicans like reince priebus interested in the democratic process or are they interested in trying to achieve some kind of oh political hegemeny that serves them? >> it work it is refs and not the players. i want to focus on the players now. there could be an emerging star for the gop. we have new numbers out about 2016. we'll start with hillary clinton. heifer he numbers are big in new

hampshire. 62%. joe biden with 8%. deval patrick at 5. cory booker at 2% and andrew cuomo at 1%. if hillary clinton were to declare this is a shoe-in at this point. she's not said boo about which way she's thinking. >> that's true. it is a unique set of circumstances. hillary clinton is a powerhouse with no real rival since eisenhower in terms of people getting ready to run. if she runs it will be difficult to even compete with her on any level. if she doesn't the field is wide open. >> let's talk about the emerging star on the right. when it comes to the gop primary chris christie is on top with 21% followed by rand paul with 16 and then marco rubio. cruz is in the single digits. marco rubio was on top of the list. now we see chris christie.

what is happening? >> you are polling moderate republicans who want washington to work. if we look at 2016 what you see, the fact that you have a tea party candidate, libertarian candidate like rand paul going head to head with chris christie they may eat each other alive and not have a shot at the white house again. if you look at what's happening now in august recess, the fact that the republicans are the ones defending obamacare for the constituency because they want the government not to function it's interesting what happens when you open it to the jep debate. >> it doesn't seem like a completely solid frontrunner for republicans. chris matthews thinks the gop is about to make a major shift. i want to play what he said last night. >> they put up with george bush, i, bob dole. we are disappointed with george w. and then by mitt romney. now coming loaded for bear for 2016. i predict the hard right will take over the republican party in 2016 and the nomination is

going to -- rand paul. the. >> what do you think about that, cheryl? rand paul with 16% behind chris christie at 21. is he h the won to watch that has the structure, grassroots structure that a republican party nominee needs? >> i don't think so. with george w. bush you had an idealogue who successfully pretended to be a prague mattist to get into office. with romney you have a pragmatist who tried to convert himself into an idealogue. with chris christie you have the pragmatist versus paul the idealogue. i think republicans are desperate for someone who's tacking more to the center to policies that, in fact, most americans prefer. >> steve, you were smiling. what's your take? >> i was smiling because with all due respect to chris

matthews rand paul has a long-term problem. he's a crack pot problem. the southern avenger on the staff despite the fact that this ja gentleman, mr. hunter was a pro confederacy advocate. he blamed president obama for problems with rand paul's toilet. he h he's in close association with alex jones. his chance is close to zero. >> do you agree with that? you said it's interesting to see rand paul and chris christie take one another on on. they had been feuding. rand paul offered to have a beer with chris christie if h he wam came to washington. h he said he called the the truce. a one-way truce. is that what he needs to do for the long game? >> he h's transformed. within the last six months he's narrowed and started tacking more to the middle. when he talks about immigration it's very different for rand

paul. he realizes he needs to change the conversation. when he talks about drones it talks about the base in the united states, about people worried about the national security and privacy. i see him becoming -- toning down the voice to become more moderate and appealing. that doesn't necessarily mean when it comes toe to toe with hillary clinton that he h won't become more of an idealogue. i do think he's changing his feathers for now to make sure he can be a contender in 2016. >> we heard it last night first with chris matthews. we'll see. thank you all very much. this discussion also leads to our big question of the day for you. does the gop have an emerge ing star for 2016? if so, who. weigh in on facebook and twitter. the united states is never going to retreat from the world. we don't get terrorized. >> that was president obama speaking to troops at camp pendleton about how america

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even as we decimated the al qaeda leadership that attacked us on 9/11, al qaeda affiliates and like-minded extremists still threaten our homeland. still threaten our diplomatic facilities. still threaten our businesses abroad. we've got to take these threats seriously and do all we can to

confront them. >> that was president obama at camp pendleton yesterday addressing the current terror threat that closed posts abroad. while a drone strike in yemen has taken out some there is a backlash to the government spobs to the threat. the new york times report it is swift evacuation of the embassy in yemen say it looks like a show of weakness. some terror experts at home are questioning the move. a counter terrorism specialist and senior fellow from the foundation of defense of democracy joins us now. david, good to have you here. a formerer state department adviser on counter terrorism was quoted as saying the broad terror response was crazy pants -- that was his official description here . do you believe there has been an over reaction here? especially with knowing that the embassy in yemen was evacuated? >> i believe the crazy pants

analysis is somewhat compelling. i diverge from it in a few details. you have a lot of talking heads debating whether the president did the right thing or the wrong thing. one thing i would point out is we have such a pawcity of data it move it is dial on the story and our assessment. with the same story that offered the crazy pants analysis i wouldn't say they are doing the right thing. also we know so little about their reasoning that i wouldn't come down the too hard. since the story was published there's been more information coming out in a report in the daily beast which gets at they they decolliided to close the e sis they did. >> you said based on news paper accounts alone neither will have any doubt about which messages

and they will have no doubt about which channels of communication ab. is this a smart response that we are on to you. we recognize what you will do. we'll respond to keep our people safe. you won't get away with it in the long run. >> there was too much information released about one thing which is the communications that gave rise to the terror alert. if you look at the newspaper stories, and there is a long number of them. they get into communications between zawahari and rahachy. there was the ascension to general manager of al qaeda. the amalgamation of the pieces would make very clear to anyone within the organization which specific lines of communication were compromised. i mentioned the daily beast report. that story talks about the fact that there is what they call a conference call. it's really basically encrypted

electronic communications between high level al qaeda leaders in which h they were discussing the plot. the daily beast doesn't tell you fig the terrorists wouldn't already know but this is encrypted. it's hard to penetrate their communications. if you make clear we have and which communication we have penetrated they are simply going to adapt. >> many thanks to you. thanks for your time. >> my pleasure. >> straight ahead, the amber alert for two missing children -- a sister and a brother -- has been expanded now outside california's borders. we'll look at how big the search has become and the new rising guard of women coming up through the ranks of the democratic party. patricia murray joins me. we'll be right back in a moment. [ female announcer ] made just a little sweeter... because all these whole grains

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details in the man hunt for two missing california children and the man suspected in the abduction. investigators believe james lee dimaggio could be headed to canada after possible sitings yesterday in northern california prompting new amber alerts in oregon, washington and nevada for 16-year-old hannah anderson and her 8-year-old brother ethan. they have been missing since the weekend when their mom was found dead in the suspect's burned down home and the body of a child was found. investigators haven't been able to identify that body. nbc's joe friar joins us from san diego. what's the latest in the investigation and any leads into where he might be? >> reporter: despite the cluster of possible car sightings yesterday in northern california and southern oregon investigators haven't yet been able to locate the car the suspect or the kids. they say it's possible the car, a blue nissan versa, is headed north to the canadian border but they are receiving tips and

leads from across the country. friends of the missing teen, hannah anderson, said she expressed concerns about dimaggio who was described as a close family friend, almost an uncle. hannah said he made an uncomfortable comment to her saying h he had a crush on her but would only date her if she were his age. the kids haven't been seen since the weekend. their mother was found dead. another body was inside the home. relatives fear it is ethan's body but it has been difficult to i.d. the remains. for now they are asking the public to keep an eye out for everyone . the kids' father made a public plea speaking directly to hannah saying she should run if she gets a chance. >> talk about the amber alert system and how it is being used. many motorists will recognize an amber alert on street signs, on the highway. the system has been working to

get into people's pockets and put them on foot patrol, going to the cell phones with the alert. >> reporter: that's right. monday night a lot of people got a text about the amber alert. it startled people because it was late at night and the alert was loud. some people have turned the function off on phones. child safety advocates are concerned and are asking people to turn that function back on. they believe in the future it could help save lives. >> joe, thanks so much. we'll be right back with much more. i had a nightmare! the house caught fire and we were out on the streets. [ whispering ] shhh. it's only a dream. and we have home insurance. but if we made a claim, our rate would go up... [ whispering ] shhh. you did it right. you have allstate claim rate guard so your rates won't go up just because of a claim. [ whispering ] are we still in a dream? no, you're in an allstate commercial. so get allstate home insurance with claim rate guard... [ whispering ] goodnight. there are so many people in our bedroom. [ dennis ] talk to an allstate agent... [ doorbell rings ] ...and let the good life in.

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edward snowden asylum in russia. for the white house it was the last straw in a series of diplomatic clashes between the countries. joining me now is josh ge rstein. you wrote the announcement was reminiscent of cold war era show downs. you said the u.s.-russia relationship is now so frosty that it department appear the two presidents would accomplish enough to merit a high profile meet ing. this is about more than just edward snowden. it seems like the biggest fissure between the leaders but there is more going on here. >> yeah. that is relationship that's become more difficult over time. it was successful early on. president obama hammered out a major arms control treaty pass bid the senate in 2010. this was the so-le called re set to change the relationship that had cropped up during the bush

administration. since then it really has gone off the rails. probably the biggest irritant understates it to say the syria situation is really the biggest on oh stackbstacle in a situati you have two super powers fuelling what is approaching a proxy war in syria t at the moment. it puts distance between the two lead ers. >> the fissure that exists is a big part of the diplomacy in personal relationships. on "the tonight show" president obama joked about putin's body language last time they met. on a personal level what's going on with these guys? is it a genuine dislike? born out of professional issues? >> i think there is a cagey, distant relationship between the two.

putin is willing to use all kinds of oh measures to on oh tan advantage for him and russia. if you look at with a putin has been up to in russia that's become a big irritant in the u.s.-russia relationship. a huge crack down on civil society. >> do you think the frost could be thawed by the time the g-20 happens or do you think the fact that the president has said we are not going to have the face to face is over, it won't be repaired by the this one? >> i think there is a chance that the two presidents will meet face to face during the g-20 summit. they will be in the same room. i wouldn't be surprised if there is a pull-aside or a short meeting instead of a big high profile summit in moscow. the notion that the differences will be ironed out is almost impossible unless one thinks.

i don't see how the relationship gets on track. >> thank you, sir. appreciate it. as the next election cycle shapes up, all eyes are on a rising guard of democratic women taking the party by storm in their own way. eight of the women are featured in a reevent daily beast article. among them is wendy davis who gained attention for a filibuster against an anti-abortion measure but is now considering a bid for governor. joining me is editor of citizen jane politics who wrote the article for the daily beast. great to see you. let's start with wendy davis. she's either going to run for re-election in the senate or for governor. the refreshing thing about the way she on oh rates as a politician, she egos after it. she's made no bone s about the fact that she's considering running for governor. is that what makes her a woman to watch and a rising star for the democratic party? >> absolutely.

what made her the woman to watch was going against the legislature with the ten-hour filibuster. that was not her first filibuster. she derailed other legislation with previous filibusters. she's fearless. you can see it in her eyes. she's not backing down. i asked myself when i was writing the article, most people didn't know about wendy davis before. where are the other wendy davises in the country. there are buckets of them. this is just a list of eight. it is a new breed of legislator and women in the state houses aggressive, fearless, polished and making no apologies for what they believe oh in. it's not just hillary clinton. there is a list of women ready to lead. >> one of the examples we saw over the weekend came from kentucky. that's allison grinds. going to the fancy farm picnic. you would think the fancy farm picnic, by that name would be nicer in terms of language being

used. grimes is challenging senator mitch mcconnell. what do you think it is about her that will keep everyone talking about keep the interests there? the initial polls show her having a lead over mcconnell. >> i think a lot of what's going to keep people interested is her style. again, she's fearless. this woman is going up against one of the most powerful men in washington. he's also known very well to be one of the most ruthless, really practices the politics of personal destruction. she doesn't care. she was out there just throwing one-liners at him one after another. she's always getting attention for her style and the poll numbers are no joke. people will take her seriously. >> mcconnell went more after her father than her which was interesting. trying to say her dad is tied to the obamas and that's why she's out there. the other name that's part of the piece is camala harris who represents a lot of firsts.

she's the first woman, first african-american, first indian american to hold the office of oh california district attorney. other than being a pioneer on so many fronts what strikes you about the this woman? >> really her record. if you look at her record as the d.a. in san francisco, 90% con vis rate. to coin a phrase she's tough on crime. she talks about violent oh offenders sand says, lock them up, throw away the key. don't spend time thinking about it. she has a more nuanced position on nonviolent offenders. she's a tough person out there. she had a difficult election to get where she is. she's being noticed by democrats. really considered a national rising star by democrats. >> the other is caroline richie vying to be the first african-american woman mayor of boston. what are her chances? >> her chances are -- it's a the tough field. i have to say that. we heard the current boston

mayor, thomas menino who she was an adviser to say she could make history. he's trying not to get into the race but almost tipped his hat by saying that. her chances are good. she's well known in boston. has been considered a rising star for a long time. if you see her in action, limitless energy and totally fearless. i think that's what will get her attention and keep her noticed not just in boston but by national democrats. >> there is something about today's political environment. as we see many women that are more interested in wanting to charge for the political offices take on the onus of getting elected. what do you think it is about washington, d.c. demand of itself? the percentage of nationally elected figures that have come together for congress is still low. >> it's low. it's rising though. higher than ever. i think that's a great story to tell. if you start to look at why women run for office, look at a

place like wisconsin, chris taylor is a member of the assembly. she ran for office in 2011 when she saw the governor stripping collective bargaining rights after her son's kindergarten teach thors. it's not about them, their egos. it's a story we see play again and again. as younger women, see more women like themselves get into the race and get into the fight. they are not afraid. i think that's a great example for women to follow. >> thank you so much. as always, you can read more about the women featured in this article in the daily beast. great to see you. >> you, too. a look at the stories topping the news. the judge in the trial of oh major nidal hasan said he can still defend himself and denied a motion by the defense lawyers that they will be release ed from their job of ep helping him. yesterday his lawyers said they wanted off the case because they believe hasan is trying to rf

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pennsylvania has a ban against marriage equality. that didn't stop our next guest from performing the first such marriage in pittsburgh on monday. he's john fedderman, mayor of braddock, pennsylvania. h he married a couple that have been together for the past 11 years. they had to travel across the state to get a marriage license. then they married days later. mayor fedderman joins me now. explain if pennsylvania has a ban and marriage equality isn't legal there, explain your decision to perform this wedding ceremony and how sit legally valid? >> well, it's an act of civil disobedience where the message for me is tear down this law. grant all pennsylvanians the right to enjoy marriage equality in the state. the legality of it doesn't concern me. i think it's the mess sage it

sends. pennsylvania is at a place where we need to remove this from our constitution. >> you bring up governor tom corbitt. he's chosen to defend the law though the state attorney general believes it is unconstitutional. the aclu is challenging the law. with public opinion in favor of marriage equality do you think pennsylvania will soon join other states in legalizing it? after this example of civil disobedience are you seeing people reach out to you to try to get your efforts and how you can utilize this as a catalyst to see marriage equality there? >> absolutely. i have received dozens of e-mails and i have only received one and that was a mildly negative one. the rest have been overwhelmingly positive and supportive. if you look on the political spectrum you have barack obama on one side, dick cheney on the other. they both support gay marriage, and everyone in between. if your politics fall between those ranges, and i would submit

that captures everyone except the westboro baptist folks, you're coming around. you see marriage equality is the right thing. i believe 54% of catholics now support it. i see pennsylvania joining the rest of the northeastern states and bringing this home for everybody. >> how do john and bill know that you would be willing to perform their wedding? >> i have been a long time vocal supporter of marriage equality in the state. a local news report asked me would i be theoretically willing to perform a marriage if a certificate was brought from montgomery county. i said, absolutely. they called me shortly thereafter and we performed the ceremony in my home. >> you brought up what the country feels about marriage equality, certainly the political spectrum, catholics have changed their voice on this. do you father political kickback from the fact that you are

putting your neck out? we know a similar mayor gavin newsome took bigge chances a decade ago in san francisco. are you following that track? >> well, no. i'm a nobody. the real people here are squon and bill who decided 11 years was enough. they had relegated to this second class citizenship and took this courageous step. i'm not worried about collateral damage to myself. i'm more interested in celebrating this great relationshipment now that they can finally call each other husbands, i think it's a great day for the state. >> you're not a nobody to john and bill and other marriage equality advocates across the country. we support you, thank you for your courage and for taking a stand there. i'm sure john and bill are happy to have you in a position to do that. thank you, sir. >> thank you. >> as the same-sex marriage debate heats up in pennsylvania

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speculation of when the winners will show up? >> we are hoping they will show up today and i can tell the winner at home in bed watching this and the cash is not enough to get them out of bed, there is a cake inside waiting for them. it is a sheet cake and it looks very delicious, and if that is enough to get them out of bed to validate the ticket, i don't know what is. they have a year to come forward before they lose the money, so it could be quite some time. $258 million is after taxes and $86 million each. it is the fourth largest lotto winning in history and the third largest powerball, but ultimately that is nothing compared to the $590 million that widow won in florida alone back in may. now, thomas, if it feels like there is more and more jackpots lately and more and more major jackpots that is because there is. the lotto officials changed it from being $1 a ticket to $2 a ticke

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