good evening, americans. welcome to "the ed show" live from new york. it's 5:00 eastern. let's get to work. ♪ some democrats out there have praised chris christie as a moderate. >> christie has built a record that i would say is actually moderate. >> he's no different than the radical republican governors. >> a wolf in sheep's clothing. >> i've said all along, i'm a principled conservative. >> he's very much like a new jersey version of scott walker. >> he's given tax cuts to the wealthy residence in new injuri jersey. >> you've got to be one arrogant s.o.b. >> you can say that again. >> christie appears, at this moment, to have a clear running

lane. >> we have somebody who is going to win. >> you know, it's not a word. >> i think for our ideas to matter, we have to win. >> yeah, yeah, yeah. democrats, liberals, we're in the locker room tonight. last night i was preacher ed. tonight, i'm head coach ed and i'm going to give you a scouting report. you've got to know who your opponent is, son. liberals, democrats, you need to watch out for this guy right here. he's like that big old fullback that is going to come right up the middle and give you head fake and cut off to the right every time. i guarantee you, he's going to do it. chris christie is the key of hood winking. he's the rising star of the republican party. believe it or not, he's got some democrats up there in the stand ready to change their jerseys. what the hell for? people have been talking about christie and the presidential run since the day he went into

the governor's office. finally, christie is starting to show his playbook a little bit. here's what he had to say about the 2016 presidential election this week. >> "for our ideas to matter, we have to win because if we don't win, we don't govern. and if we don't govern, all we do is shout into the wind". >> governor. is that a heavy emphasis on the word govern? does that mean that you're going to stand up to your parties for the record amount of filibusters and the destruction that they have done in washington and time and time again how they have gone after obama care and how they have obstructed every jobs package on the table? are you willing to do that? governor, did you go down to washington and have lunch with the republicans and tell them, hey, you've got to knock off thighs filibusters, man. we've got to get something done. he knows nothing about

governing. so that's hood wink number one. and then he said "i am in this business to win. i don't know why you are in it. i am in this to win." really? he's in this to win. i'm in this business to win. to win for who? the republicans? for you, governor? or for the people? because if you care about the people, you will stand up strong and say that your party is the party of obstruction and your party is the party of hate. and your party is the racist party. that's what it's going to take if you really want to govern, you have to tell the truth. you know, he's not in the business to help the middle class, i can guarantee you that. he's not in the business to help workers and teachers. no. chris christie is in this thing called politics to help him. chris christie. and he'll say whatever he has to, even if it means turning down hardworking americans in

the process. but they don't have an ounce of truth to them. so tonight we are going to expose the real chris christie, the media darling of new york city. the media darling of the mainstream media. he has done nothing wrong. he's really a moderate. no. he's a wolf in sheep's clothing for reasons unknown to "the ed show," some democrats think that christie is a big bipartisan hero. you know what this guy has done? he walked with the president of the united states. he appeared with the president after hurricane. what governor wouldn't do that? accepted federal disaster relief along with every other republican governor whose state has ever been hit by a hurricane. this makes him bipartisan? a photo-op does not make chris christie bipartisan. accepting disaster relief, which was the right thing to do, does not make chris christie

bipartisan. do not let him fool you. he's no different than the radicals attacking education. in order to understand who christie really is, it's important to remember. let's remember where did this guy come from? well, chris christie is a disciple of george w. bush. that's right. is he a bush cronie. he raised hundreds and thousands of dollars. nowhere, okay, then out of nowhere bush appoints chris christie to be the u.s. attorney for the state of new jersey in 2001 and so with a swipe of a pen christie goes from lawyer to lobbyist to u.s. attorney and of course back in those days it kind of paid to be a bush bootlicker. the next stop was governor chair

for chris christie. he had little political experience but his jersey tough-style personality won him a governor seat against an embattled incumbent and that was jon corzine. his lack of experience shows in his job experience. first, christie -- he doesn't act like a governor. does your governor act like this? have you seen any presidents act like this? he acts like a schoolyard bully, is what he does. and we've seen it many times. the governor seems to take joy in just belittling citizens. does this guy pay taxes? does he deserve to be treated like that? let me tell you something. he goes after anybody who doesn't agree with him. >> you know what? and you know what? let me tell you this. you know what? it's people who raise their voices and yell and scream like you that are dividing this country. if what you want to do is put on

a show and giggle every time i talk, i have no interested in answering your question. let me tell you something, i can go back and forth with you as much as you want. after you graduate from law school and conduct yourself like that in a courtroom, your rearend is going to get jailed. you know, something may go down tonight, but it's not going to be jobs, sweetheart. >> christie also really treats women with contempt. he said someone should, quote, take a bat out on a 78-year-old state senator loren loretta wine berg. >> you don't said your children to pub like schools. you send them to private schools. i was wondering why you think it's okay to be cutting funding to schools. >> it's none of your business. don't ask you where you send

your kids to school. don't bother asking me where i send mine. >> in other words, there's some questions that are just totally off limits because he's chris christie. aside from kind of being a mean person, christie's radical parties are sort of par for the course, don't you think? he's given new jersey biggest corporations a tax cut of $1.5 billion at the same time he's cutting the earned income tax credit which nobody really talks about. he is attacking new jersey teachers, he's cut funding for kmun key colleges, he's cut teacher tenure after they have earned it and he's made a career out of fighting with every union he can find, especially the teachers union. there just happens to be 6,000 lousy teachers in new jersey. he got rid of them. he's cut $7.5 million from women health care programs. we don't hear about that. he's cut service for new jersey's senior citizens for a total of $21 million.

we never hear about that. he's such a nice guy. in just this week, christie reversed his position and vetoed a ban on 50 caliber rifles. 50 caliber rifles? these hummers are made for one thing and that's war and killing folks. just to put it in perspective, if i may, this is a 50 caliber shell and this is a 9 millimeter bullet right here. and let me tell you something, this gun is no joke. [ gunfire ] he's a rightie. he's afraid of the nra. christie seems to think it's okay for these kinds of weapons to be floating around. the most densely populated part the country. i could go on about how christie is bad for america and a phony

on a lot of different reasons but this is the last reason and this is the kicker. >> my favorite football team is not the new york giants. it's not the new york jets. and it's not -- and it's not the philadelphia eagles. no. get ready now. my favorite football team are the dallas cowboys. >> well, i tell you what, never trust a cowboy fan from new jersey, right? you know, i'm going to save you the trouble of blaming me for playing the race card. full disclosure tonight, i'm going to play the race card, okay? so don't waste any breath or time or efforts and say ed schultz is playing the race card but i am because race is important. it is a very important topic. it is huge to this country if we're going to move forward we have to have these conversations so i'm going to play the race card. if the president of the united

states acted the way this man acts in a crowd and acts the way he treats people, i bet that they would be calling president obama an angry black man. they would be saying that, well, president obama's not acting presidential. do you think chris christie is acting presidential? do you really think that this guy has the demeanor? he has the political moxy, i'll give him that. but does he have the demeanor? does he have a fly off the handle temper, the guy that you want to answer that 3:00 a.m. call? is he good to workers? no. is he good to seniors? no. is he a phony politicalan? yes. he's just like the rest of them. get your phones out. tonight's question, does chris christie have the right temparment to be president? text a for yes and b for no to 66722.

go to our blog and leave a comment there. you may disagree with me. he may be the star. we'll bring the results later on in the show. for more, let's turn to bob slum. good to have you with us tonight. >> glad to be here, ed. >> have we seen a president not that i can remember in my lifetime that has a habit of flying off the handle and just berating constituents? if chris christie were a presidential candidate, would this be a new sort of blood? >> well, not in you be approximate lick. public. they don't generally do it when you're talking to voters. they want to make sure that you're paying attention and going to respond to their needs and i suspect as this moves along that people around christie are going to try to plain away some of this excess without losing what they think is the essence of them, a kind of moxian style that appeals to

people. look, you can be interesting and tough. you don't have to be mean. >> we've played a number of clips of him being pretty dogmatic with people. is that what plays today? is that politicians have to do to show that they can tell it like it is? does that play for a long time? >> i think he'll get in trouble if he keeps acting that way. i don't think he'll act that way, actually. i think they'll get him under some control. look, he's got two problems right now, ed. first of all, in the general election election, a lot of stuff is going to be exposed. moderates think that maybe he's okay. they like him for the enemies that he made on the far right. but he's going to get exposed as a guy who has a pop louse style with no populous substance. he stands four square with the romney policies that would help

the 1% at the expense of the medical class. he's going to get exposed on cutting education. all of that is going to hurt him in a general. the takedown you did tonight is a preview of what he's going to go through if he's the republican nominee. >> well, i'm not putting anything out there that isn't true. you know, it's aggressive the way i'm going after it. it's like he's the media darling. he's treated with kid gloves wherever he goes and then when he gets his backup, he backs off. i've met him at the white house correspondents' dinner and i said why don't you come on "the ed show." he laughed at me. i think he's just as dangerous as these other radical governors that have given all of the tax breaks to the wealthiest residents and the corporations to the tune of $1.5 billion. in many respects, he's bush all over again. in many respects, he's romney

repackaged. your thoughts? >> he's romney repackaged but the package at least at the beginning is much more attractive. people look at him and they see someone who is kind of anti-political, someone who is refreshing, someone who is a moderate. that may not be the reality but that's what they see. now, that's part of his problem in the republican party, by the way. you're right, he's anti-choice but he has exceptions. he's against marriage equality but he's been tolerate of civil unions. he's allowed the medicaid expansion under medicare. despite his economic policies, he's got real problems on the far right. that's why he gave a speech saying, we have to be pragmatic. we have to nominate someone who can win. right now, by the way, he probably is the strongest republican candidate although i think he's vulnerable. >> bob, what does he mean when he says he's in this business to win? does that mean i'll do whatever i've got to do to apiece people to get there? >> well, i couldn't quite

understand that. i think he was saying to the republican party, look, you can either make a statement, you can make an ideological statement, you can somehow go out there and prove you're pure or that's the argument that he's trying to make. the funny thing about it is, that line is in the exact same line hillary clinton used in 2008 race when she said i'm in it to win it. i think he's going to have to tell voters more than that, too. he's going to have to give them a vision of where he's going to take the country in the future, not just say look at me. i might actually win. >> back to my opening statement, he used the word governor in that sound bite and that's an interesting word. is he willing to side with the republicans in the filibusters or willing to step forward and tell the legislatures in washington on the right, you know what, we've got to compromise with some things.

bob slhrum, thank you for joinig us. share your thoughts on twitter and on facebook. we always want to know what you think. coming up, the country continues to advance dr. king's dream as the 50th anniversary of the march on washington approaches. senator bernie sanders was there. he joins us with the memories of that event and what needs to be done here forward. and the author of who told women to lean in didn't want to shell out cash for interns. the real talk panel weighs in on the workplace hypocrisy and more. stay with us. ♪ mplishing even little things can become major victories. i'm phil mickelson, pro golfer. when i was diagnosed with psoriatic arthritis, my rheumatologist prescribed enbrel for my pain and stiffness, and to help stop joint damage. [ male announcer ] enbrel may lower your ability to fight infections. serious, sometimes fatal events

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america needs to stay vocal. let's look at what is ahead this week in "fast forward." >> are you ready to go?

>> number three, get on the bus. >> you and you, sit together. you and you, sit together. get comfortable. >> president obama kicks off his education tour. >> no family should have to set aside a college acceptance letter because they don't have the money. >> i wish i could tell you that there's a place to find really cheap money and we can pay for everyone's education. that's not going to happen. >> shake up the system. >> get a good education. hopefully you will find that. >> it's critical that we make sure that college is affordable for every single american. >> president obama once said he wants every american to go to college. what a star. >> trying to save money to go to college. >> your mom goes to college. >> fast forward to number two. tea time in texas. >> an effort to revive the move and stop obama care, the heritage action for america will host town hall meetings. >> you're dumber than a bag of

hammers. >> ted cruz and jim demint join forces to brew a strategy. >> we need to stand up and defund obama care now. >> stop obama care. >> and saturday, advancing the dream. civil rights leaders gather for the march on washington. >> now 50 years after the 1963 march, the political rights remain as strong as ever. >> organizing and mobilize. >> continue to come forward and reaffirm the power -- the power of the people's movement. >> joining me now is senator bernie sanders of vermont. folks, i want you to take a look at these pictures. this is senator sanders 50 years ago in chicago at a student sit-in for racial equality.

senator, you were there for martin luther king's speech 50 years ago. it has to be a memorable moment for you. you've been an activist your whole life and a fighter for people. as you reflect back, how far have we come as a country and how far do we have to go? good to have you with us, senator? >> it's great to be with you, ed. i think the answer to your question is mixed results. on one hand, breaking down the barriers of discrimination and segregation, we have made significant progress. i think martin luther king would be very proud to see today in the united states an african-american president who not only won in 2008 but was re-elected in 2012 and with a pretty good vote. and i think in terms of ending discrimination he would be proud that women today have a much greater presence in the political process than they had when he was alive and there are

other very significant games in terms of beating down segregation and legal discrimination. on the other hand, i think sometimes politicians and the media kind of try to sanitize king and ignore his very strong feelings about economic justice. remember, when king was assassinated in memphis, tennessee, it wasn't quote/unquote a civil rights demonstration, he was standing up for workers trying to organize a union, workers trying to get decent wages and decent working conditions. and at the time that king died, just before he died, he was organizing a poor people's march and what he was saying to congress is you are spending billions of dollars on a war in vietnam and you're ignoring the fact that we have millions of poor people in our country and

they are not getting justice. king stood up and said, i am a nonbeliever in violence but i'm compelled to speak about the violence in vietnam. since king's death we have made real progress in beating down discrimination. but in terms of the issues of economic justice, i would say that in many ways we're worse off. >> yeah. >> than we were when he was alive. >> and of course there's questions about our judicial system. this summer alone, the trayvon martin story, the stop and frisk that's going on here in new york which is a heated debate, we're still not working on a level playing field. is washington doing enough to change that? and, of course, it's the era of destruction there and is there an awareness in washington that needs to be done to mend a lot of fences? >> the answer is an emphatic no. there is far too little discussion about the collapse of the middle class, about the fact

that we have almost as much poverty today as at any time in the last 60 years. almost no discussion at all about the incredible income and wealth and equality in this country and the fact that we're moving towards -- you know, when king was alive, he was talking about a radical distribution of economic and political power. that's what he was talking about. no, congress does not recognize without reality at all. >> well, since that era we have seen a tremendous concentration of wealth. we have seen a separation of income inequality, the chart which we use quite often on this program tells a mammoth story. what does the future hold in that we keep radical leaders from attacking minority rights. the best way to ask that question is what do you think martin luther king would be saying about what has unfolded in detroit?

>> well, i think obviously he would be very concerned. he would be outraged today that in america, black youth unemployment is close to 40% and real unemployment in this country is 14%. he talked about and led and moved toward that march on washington, that poor people's march at the time that he died, what he was talking about is an economy of full employment. massive investment in job creation and not just for african-americans. he was bringing together hispanics, poor whites and he was saying we have got to stand together and too often, ed, we forget about that aspect about martin luther king jr. and we simply focus on his enormously effective work in desegregating

america. >> that day, what was the mood like? if you have to capture the emotion and memory about what that day was like, what would you say? >> enormous optimism, enormous excitement about the fact that so many people of all colors, of all ages came together in washington, d.c. that was unprecedented up until that point. the king speech was extraordinary. i think people left that event feeling proud and very hopeful about the future. >> all right. senator bernie sanders, appreciate you being on the program tonight. thank you so much, my friend. unpaid interns come under fire, come under scrutiny after one organization's hypocritical move. the real talk panel gives their take ahead. and later, while republicans continue to spread obama care

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welcome back to "the ed show." first question tonight comes from team ed show tweeter. i didn't even know we had a team ed show. i guess we do. tweeting world out there. besides voting, what else can be done to reduce gop entrenchment in the south? keep the conversation alive and be willing to speak up. that's what it takes. i will be in birmingham, alabama, on friday night at the sheraton hotel in birmingham holding an "the ed show" radio town hall meeting. we're going to be talking about jobs, education, and health care. you're welcome to show up. it's opened to the public but i

do believe that. i believe that the conversation has to be held in every community and we have to be proud for what we stand for. our next question comes from judy. how do we get money out of politics? i don't think you're every going to get money out of politics. money is always going to be in politics. i assume that you're asking about campaign finance reform. i do believe that if the democrats were to get the majority in the house and to get to a filibuster-approved senate and democratic president, i think that you would see campaign finance reform, which would reduce the amount of money that's in politics today. and i have always said this is kind of -- because we sell commercials in the electronic business but i've always believed that it's the obligation of licensed facilities of the fcc to give up air time, free air time to officials who are running in positions of public service. i mean, that's what we're all

about, isn't it? public service? i don't think you're ever going to get money out of politics. i do think that campaign finance reform could be a reality if the right party gets control. there's a lot more coming up. stick around. what are you doing? oh, hey.

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good to have you back with us. facebook made chief operating officer cheryl sandberg a whopping $90 mile million

earlier this month. the backlash started when jessica bennett took to her facebook page to post a call for an intern to work and it read like this. part time, unpaid, and able to commit to a regular schedule through end of here. let's be clear. unpaid internships have nothing new. but this is a nonprofit founded on sandberg. pursue their goals and strive for executive positions and fair pay. you can understand why the criticals who called it hypocritical asked them to do unpaid work? the group has since back peddled. rachel thomas released a statement on facebook. she announced that they are going to launch an internship

paid program. joining me is elena maxwell, contributor to the grio. how embarrassing was this? >> it was hugely embarrassing because leanin.org called me the night that things broke to try to explain their side of things. >> you've written a lot about it. >> yes. what was interesting is that they knew that they had stepped in because within 24 hours rachel thomas came out with a different statement saying that they had done an about-face and they recognized the importance of being fair and opening up the doors to people and equality. i would not have a career that i had had someone not taken a stance for me. i am not from a privileged background and i would not have had the opportunity i had had people not recognized that. i don't have rich parents. a lot of people don't have rich

parents. >> elena, is this a classic example of those who have been fortunate enough need to open up avenues for others? >> absolutely. you cannot lean in when you don't have money. if she wants everybody to lean in and strive and ask for equal pay and be assertive in the workplace, you need to have money in order to get ahead. that is part of the problem. i mean, i think unpaid internships clearly what kelly said is absolutely correct, that only the privileged are able to do something unpaid. >> unpaid internships. does this harden the fight for equal pay for women? >> absolutely. i think we were just talking in the green room because there's a lot of talk about paycheck fairness and i think that the idea that women don't ask and the fact that women are getting paid and they don't know that they are getting paid less than their male counterparts, we need to be paying people for working. free labor is not okay and it's not something that we should be promoting particularly when you

have a book about it. >> it is part of a larger conversation, too. let me just tell you something, valentino has been auctioning off internships, meaning that wealthy parents can bid for the privilege of their kids working for free. and the fact that they didn't recognize this and then sheryl's organization didn't realize that we can all do that, it's obliviousness. >> how does sheryl sandberg make it right? >> it's the nonmaliciousness, it's the obliviousness, which is almost as bad. they said that they are going to have a paid internship program. bravo as opposed to burying their heads in the sand. >> sudden there be legislation to deal with this? >> absolutely. only the privileged can do that and then you're setting up a

structural barrier for people to get ahead and to become ceo because they don't have the experience right out of college or during college because you have to go get a -- take a job to pay your rent and your bills. if your family is paying for you to get an internship, the process is completely out of fair. >> setting up the internship to pay people is one thing. doesn't she sort of have a leadership responsibility to speak out and make an issue of this and make other people of wealth who are in a position to help others realize that this is a real mistake and this is a problem that he is part of the educational process? >> well, this is part of what will come out of this. people accuse me of writing things just to cause trouble. that's really not my intention. it's to spark a conversation. i generally believe, because i've heard from other people, that they generally don't know. they didn't know that people like me were being locked out.

they didn't know that this was an issue until sheryl got this blowback. the department of labor is all over this issue. they are starting to crack down on people essentially skirting paying minimum wage laws by calling it an unpaid internship. there have been lawsuits that are making lawyers think twice before getting away with this. >> thanks so much. appreciate your time. >> thank you. tonight in our survey i asked does chris christie have the right temparment to be president of the united states? governor, cool it. up next, a wall street offender lands in pretenders. find out why this congressman thinks the people who tank the economy on wall street aren't criminals. is like hammering. riding against the wind.

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punch in and punch out. this is a story for the folks who are spending hundreds and millions of dollars attacking the affordable care act. they are lying about it. the full-scale assault continues. members of congress continue their crusade against obama care by filling the airwaves with negative speech. >> we're not going to give up our quest to try and replace, remove and replace obama care. >> filling out all of this stuff? you know, that's the trouble with one of the big problems with obama care. it allows the federal government to have all of your medical records. they will know all of your deepest secrets. i'm glad i don't have any. >> i was the champion of getting -- repealing obama care. >> do what is needed to make sure government overreach is not

involved in american health care. >> nothing is more important in regulatory reform than in repealing every word of obama care obamacare, which i'm fighting every day to do. >> oh, yes, and all those papers that you have to fill out, too. it's just terrible. don't be intellectually not curious, don't let them get you down. meanwhile, the president continues his cross-country tour trying to tell the truth about obamacare. he made his sixth appearance on "the tonight show" with jay leno to discuss upcoming changes in health care. >> on october 1st, if you don't have health care right now you can join what are called these marketplaces and you'll be able to get lower cost health care. here in california it's estimated to be 20%, 30% cheap are than what you're already getting. and we'll give you subsidies, tax credits, if you still can't afford it. you can go to healthcare.gov and right now preregister and start

figuring out is this plan right for you? >> does that sound like a government takeover? it sounds like freedom to me. you can join. another advocate of the affordable care act is dr. corey ebert. along with a few of his colleagues they've compiled a document called obamacare made simpler. the well constructed 11-page guide helps break down the important facts to everyday americans similar to most members of congress who aren't going to read 24, 5 or 600 pages. folks don't have the time and quite often they don't have the intellectual curiosity to sit down and read a bill that's about that thick. i get all that. that's why this is such a great service. i cannot stress enough that i believe that the american people can't be intellectually lazy on this. pick up the phone, go to the website, read a little bit. don't let somebody talk you down with lies because a lot of what's coming out from the right especially simply is not true.

and this man has made it edz for you to understand. no question about it. joining me now is dr. corey ebert, assistant professor at lsu. why did you do this? and what gave you the motivation to do this? >> i tell you what, obamacare is the medicine that most conservatives and even some moderates don't want to take. but guess what obamacare made simpler is actually the spoonful of sugar to help it go down just a little bit easier. it's something that people need to be very aggressive about because they're getting all these lies in the media and they don't understand this is something that will save their life let alone make sure that they don't go economically bankrupt. and that's the real deal. >> before we go any further, where can our viewers get your obamacare made simpler pamphlet? >> if you go to

www.blackhealthtv.com, there is a link. you can just see it and read it, peruse it, do whatever you need to do to make sure that you get the real information. there's so many things in here, nobody's going to read that whole document. but guess what? you need to read what i wrote because several of my colleagues compiled this thing and you need to get the real deal. >> i want to put that up on our screen again if i can. because i've read it and i think it's absolutely outstanding that you've done about thp you've broken it down, you've answered some questions out there that are commonly asked. and is this really to debunk the lies? were you motivated by all the misinformation that was out there? >> yes. and you know, i was really upset because the middle class are the people that are really causing the most problem. let me give you an example. if you paid $300 a month for health insurance and for the last 30 year, you get breast cancer. what happens? you have to go in the hospital and get probably an $800,000 bill. then you have to pay 80 -- the

insurance company paceys 80, yo pay 20%, which is still over $100,000. then god forbid you recur and your insurance company that you've been so loyal to, they cancel you. then what happens? you don't have any more money and you are economically devastated. now what happens? that's not good for the country. you can't buy a car, you can't buy a house, you can't pay your rent. your credit's destroyed. that's good for the country? i think not. >> and you've seen this. >> absolutely. >> and every doctor has seen this. >> absolutely, this is real. >> do you think this is good for doctors? i keep hearing that doctors are getting financially shafted and obamacare is not going to be doing right by the professionals. >> well, i'll tell you what, you know, i'm a physician and some physician out there, we have to be altruistic. my job is to take care of people. now granted, i may not make as much money as i may have made in

the previous years, but guess what, it won't be a lot less. most doctors make a decent amount of money. not much compared to the loans you have to pay. but they knew when they took the hip o accuratic oath that they'd do the best thing and first do no harm. >> this pamphlet that you the have, how detailed -- did you really dissect every sentence to make sure this isn't just a generic piece that will get people through that this really is well researched and detailed and encapsulize sod the american people can consume it. >> we searched the internet, we scoured the internet for the best and brightest people out there that have put things together so that it makes it simple. we haven't gone through every tiny detail but for the masses it is once again creating the document. you want to distill it down so that the normal person can understand this. and so also they don't get board

reading it because they need to know. for example, even just children, this is going to be a big deal for children because obamacare eliminates the lifetime cap on benefits. if you have a child and your child, god forbid, has a heart condition at birth, that bill could be a million dollar. guess what? some insurance programs actually have a lifetime cap of a million dollars. >> do you think she's exchanges will bring rates down? we've seen coverage of that in new york and also the state of california, do you think that with the exchanges we will see premium goes down, quickly? >> yes, i think you will. new york down by almost 50%, l.a., other parts of california, it's going down. we know this is the best thing to happen. chris christie even said it right. like the republicans are all mad, but guess what? what did they offer? nothing. something had to be done, and this is the way that we're going to fix the health care system in the united states. >> dr. corey hebert, thanks for

coming on the show. i encourage everybody get that document. we'll see you next saturday at 5:00. [ male announcer ] if you had a dollar, for every dollar

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