by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. i have a dream today. ♪ welcome back to a special edition of "politicsnation." the march on washington: the dream continues. >> good evening. i'm al sharpton continuing our special coverage live from the lincoln memorial on the national mall. 50 years ago, the eyes of the nation were on this spot where hundreds of thousands of people converged on history. people of all races from all walks of life joining hands in the name of justice and civil rights. in this hour, we'll hear from some of the people who traveled so far to attend this march. including the young girl shown

in this iconic photo. i'll talk to her now 50 years later about how the march changed her life. we also have my interview with congressman john lewis from the steps of lincoln memorial where he spoke a half a century ago. i'm honored to begin the second hour of our show tonight with bernie a. king, ceo of the king center. thank you for being here today. >> thank you. glad to be here. >> you head the king center where your mother founded many years ago. and you have struggled and worked to keep the legacy of your mother and father alive. and this march tomorrow is one of five days that you have helped to orchestrate and push and pull and make sure it happened. but you were a child when this

happened. >> i was an infant. >> in arms when the march happened. and you were still very young when you lost your dad. how do you explain the fire in you? >> well, i mean, other than the holy spirit, that's where it comes from. it also comes from growing up in a home where we were taught about giving back service to our community. and also because my mother was so passionate. and we could sense and feel and see her passion. and i think that transferred to all of us in different and unique ways. and that's why i'm the person i am today. >> on wednesday the actual anniversary of the march, you had two former presidents and cities around the country ringing a bell at the time your father delivered the "i have a dream" speech. tell us why that's important and why what the bell symbolizes to you.

>> he talked about freedom in the speech. and in the speech he said 100 years later the negro is still not free and said let freedom ring from all these places. so we've got literally cities all over this nation including the ones that he spoke about ringing bells at 3:00 to symbolize a moment where we reflect, remember, and recommit to the ideals that he spoke about. i really believe that when you create an energy field of something at the same time, there's a human consciousness that is raised and it can literally cause a tipping point. and we need that tipping point desperately now with everything we've seen that has happened, the convergence of so many things in 2013, we need that consciousness, awareness in our nation and world. it's important because this speech that he made is not one of but it is the only galvanizing speech in the world. >> you know, that your mother who i was privileged to do some work with with your brother used to talk about i remember one night she said to me, al, i have

had to deal with racism and sexism even in the movement. and one woman that has had to fight that is randy wynngardener. and your father had walter reuther and labor leaders who made this march 50 years ago. she made this march happen this year. because she said labor and civil rights belong together. thank you for coming on the show. >> it's my honor. >> tell us why it was so important to you -- teachers who

by the way have become the scapegoats of layoffs all over this country. tell us why it's important this week. >> and i was a high school social studies teacher. i taught your father's speech so many times in so many classes. and saw my kids have that galvanizing moment of saying this man could speak in front of all those people and move them and move a country and move a president and you can see how it was a moment in a classroom and we do need it to be a tipping point. so the point is the coalition in the march on washington was a coalition of labor and civil rights activists who knew that pulling power together would be the only way to move a country. and the speech was if i remember

my history correctly was for jobs and justice. and your father knew the special intersection between economic justice and civil rights. and so it was very important that coming together 50 years later, the issue about jobs where we now have the worst income inequality in the united states of america since the great depression. where instead of the -- even though rhetorically people talk about education all the time -- but we can't just speak of something, we must act on it. and they can't ensure a great public education for all kids. instead of that you see the scapegoating and the margin alizing. like you saw in the civil rights movement. just like people did to your father.

and so it felt like if we don't bring the coalition together of clergy, of civil rights activists, gay, straight, black, white, brown, women, men and workers altogether, we would not actually do what we need to do 50 years later. >> what do you hope that we can lay in front of the nation tomorrow that will deal with working people and this economic inequality. >> three things. number one, if education is the highway to economic opportunity, then we must together not just parents and teachers and kids reclaim the promise of public education. great neighborhood public schools that have at their welcoming and safe and have the environment that kids need to thrive. so they cannot only dream their dreams, but achieve it. number two, we need as a society to focus on shared prosperity, to focus on what randolph said a good wage and good job for all

people who want it. and number three, we need to bring the social and the economic justice movements together because -- and we need to connect the dots. because when there's voter suppression, then there's wage suppression. when there is an inability for a black boy to walk in the streets safely, then no one is safe. and so we need to actually connect those dots between marriage equality and immigration rights. and all of the other issues to make this a more just society and a more equal society. >> you know, one of my greatest rights was i joined you and your brother on the balcony in memphis on the exact moment 40 years after the year your father was assassinated.

i don't think people understand the sacrifices that you all made. you grew up without a father and all he did was help people. your mother had to carry that burden and take all kinds of criticism even from other civil rights leaders. what has given you and your family the ability to suffer all that pain and yet not take it personal just keep going? >> well, i -- you know, i can just speak for me. i said recently that, yes, i lost a father and lost many moments with having that father at different intersections of my life. in some respects, we lost some of the presence of our mother in

the way we would have had her had my father still been here. but my loss is the world's gain. and i find comfort in that to know that he gave his life for the world. that may mother gave her life for the world, for the advancement of the world. so even though there are moments where you say, you know, i wish we would have had them more times than not, when you look at the fact that our world is in a better place because of the sacrifice they made, that brings me comfort and that brings me joy. and me being in ministry and understanding the role in the sacrifice that's required for one who's in ministry, then i have a peace about it. >> i'm sure they are both very proud of you and martin and dexter and what y'all are doing. your mother was very proud of your ministry. berniece king and randi weingarten, thank you. coming up, a man that brought the crowd to their feet that day, congressman john lewis. >> when the mississippi in southwest georgia and alabama, in harlem, chicago, philadelphia, and all over this nation the blacks are on the march for freedom. >> plus the force of labor vital

to the civil rights movement, vital to the success of the march on washington. and as we go to break, the beat of music at the heart of the day. gospel singer mahalia jackson and her rendition of "how i got over" went down in history. ♪ how did we make it over ♪ look back in wonder how we made it over ♪ ♪ tell me how we got over

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i am here today with you because with you i share the view that the struggle for civil rights and the struggle for equal opportunity is not the struggle of negro americans but the struggle for every american to join in.

>> labor leaders from around the country were vital to the success of the march on washington. because this focus touched the needs of all communities. they were fighting for living wages, for decent employment. needs that affect each and every american then and now. joining me now is lee saunders president of ask me the nation's largest employee union. and dennis van robel. thank you both for coming on the show. >> good to be here. >> good to be here, reverend. >> lee, let me start with you. it's 50 years later, but the message of the march still resonates and the issues are still before us. >> there's no question about it. we've still got to talk about the creation of quality jobs in this country. we've still got to -- trying to take civil rights away, workers

rights, collective bargaining. the issues we were confronted with in 1963 though we made great advances. that's why this march is important. this is not just a commemoration. this is about a rededication, a recommitment to what we must do as a community. and it can't be a one-day march. it's got to be a march where we sing the praises of 1963 tomorrow, we talk about the challenges of today and tomorrow, and then we go into our communities from now into the future and talk about what kind of country we want to live in. >> dennis, the educational policies in this country, the right wing has said on one hand we want to be the ones to bring education to the next level. we're going to privatize it.

we're going to take away teachers wages. i can't think of a more important civil right in this country than the democratization -- >> let me talk about jobs and freedom. and the kids our next generation, that's going to go through education. i think one of the really special things about this march, we reach back into our retired membership and we found a whole group who had been there in 1963 and we've got them here and they're talking to people. we also did a two-day training with young people. we forget sometimes how young all those people were who were at the march in 1963. we've got to do both. lee hit it on the head. by engaging and training these young people to be activists, we're going to make sure the dream lives on beyond this year into the future. >> you know, lee, dr. king went to memphis and was killed helping a strike of the local of

your union. and you go back every year and help that local commemorate. but that showed how closely labor and civil rights worked together then. walter reuther we saw from uaw but even locals were so involved in the movement. and that's what we've tried to rebuild and have done so with this march this 50 years later. if we all are together, this is a power that can't be resisted. >> i believe you're exactly right. dr. king understood this. he understood that this was a fight about civil rights, this was a fight about human rights, this was a fight about labor rights, economic rights, workers rights. and he was able to merge all of those kinds of arguments and all of those kinds of segments in our society and we came together. that coalition came together we must never, ever forget that. that's why we're commemorating the 1963 march tomorrow but we're going to work towards a future and ensure that we have quality jobs, quality education, workers rights, civil rights,

and human rights and voting rights. >> dennis, when they left 50 years ago by the next year they had the civil rights ak t. by '65 the voting rights act. what do you hope we can accomplish in the next couple years? >> wouldn't it be wonderful just to have them introduced in this congress. but we've got to get congress to understand the road forward in this country is about economic rights and voting rights and engaging all citizens, not just some. as we look forward, i hope we start a new movement. something that engages young and old and everyone in between. to say the america we have today is not the america we want in the future. and it's going to take all of us working together to make that dream come alive. >> lee, we have a midterm election. people already doing voter suppression, voter i.d., ending early voting. how important is protecting the vote, the right to vote, and registered voters.

>> it's the number one priority. we've got to recognize that if we don't have that right to vote, if we let these voter rights advocates try to take away our right to vote, then we're going to lose in 2014. and everything that dr. king fought for and so many of our allies fought for would have been for naught. we have got to make sure that through congress and communities we make people understand the importance of what they're trying to do as far as steal our voices and voting rights away from us. that's why it's so important. we've got to go back to our communities after tomorrow we've got to educate, mobilize, organize. not only for tomorrow and the next day, but up until 2014 and beyond. >> now, dennis, we have these voter rights questions, but we also have right to work states. union busters where they glorify in trying to break the unions like if the unions are doing something wrong -- i mean, it's the most ugly anti-human climate i've heard since studying about it when i was a kid. how do you combat that?

>> you know, i think sometimes we forget how we got rid of child labor. how we got to 40-hour work week. how we got vacation and health care for workers. none of those were given to us by benevolent ceos. it was by engaging the voice of middle class america. what made america great was the fact that we built this strong middle class. and that was done by labor in this country. it was coming together, giving a voice to the common everyday guy that's going to work every day. and every woman. that's what we need again. we've got to raise everybody's level of compensation, rights, responsibility. not just some. >> you know, lee, in detroit where they just filed bankruptcy, they are actually talking about messing with people's pension. that the autobillionaires companies got bailed out and they're talking about taking workers pensions. and people want to know why we're marching?

>> the retirees pensions in detroit average $19,000 a year. yet they want to attack the workers, they want to attack retirees. we've got to say no. we are not going to let that happen. they are using workers as scapegoats. that's one of the reasons we're out here tomorrow and we're going to be here until we're able to fight successfully for workers rights all over this country. it is a shame that folks would go after a retiree who makes $19,000 a year expecting they can sacrifice more. we've got to say no to that, al. all of us. our communities, our coalition partners, labor unions. we've got to say that's unacceptable in the richest country on the face of the earth. >> dennis, the speech we all remember was "i have a dream." but the person who called this march 50 years ago was a labor leader named a. phillip randolph. let's watch him.

>> we believe that it is one of the biggest, most creative, and constructive demonstrations ever held in the history of our nation. >> so randolph called the march and brought this coalition of labor and civil rights together. and that's really in the 21st century version of what we are trying to do and believe will do tomorrow. >> absolutely. one of the phrases i think we all need to take from this and lee said it very well. but when dr. martin luther king jr. was speaking to us, he talked about the urgency of now. it's not a time to wait. it's not a time to stand back or sit down. it is a time to rise up, speak out, and come together and say we can do better as a nation. and together, all of us, can make a right for the youngest, oldest, and everyone in between. the urgency of now. we've got to make something happen. >> lee saunders and dennis van rokel, thanks for coming on the show tonight. we will certainly see you in the morning. still ahead, my interview with a living icon. congressman john lewis from the steps of the lincoln memorial. you're watching the continuing

coverage of a special edition of "politicsnation." live from lincoln memorial. >> when we allow freedom to ring. when we let it ring from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of god's children, black men and white men, jews and protestants and catholics will be able to join hands and sing free at last, free at last, thank god almighty, we are free at last. [ singing ] we will attempt to define the whole course, the scope, the

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we will attempt to define the whole course, the scope, the methods, the purpose, the results so far of what we are calling the american revolution of '63. >> reporters were already calling it a revolution. the nbc news reports from the march on washington showed the entire country what was happening in d.c. one reporter was literally surrounded by marchers singing for freedom at union station. >> from the concourse at union station while the marchers around me are singing their great songs. ♪ on our way to freedom ♪ i shall not be moved >> another reporter was staked

out at the white house describing president kennedy's action that day. >> in approximately 30 minutes the leaders of the march on washington will come here to see president kennedy. the president has watched the march, he watched it this morning and then this afternoon on television. during the regular business he conducted. >> the march was front page news across the country. "the new york times" called it an orderly rally. and included excerpts from dr. king's speech. and an interesting note, "the washington post" front page story actually made no mention of dr. king's speech. americans would learn about it anyway.

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we are tired of being beaten by policemen. we are tired of seeing our people locked up in jail over and over again and you holler be patient. how long can we be patient? we want our freedom and we want it now. >> at 23 years old, congressman john lewis was the youngest speaker at the march on

washington. he's also the last surviving speaker from that day. he went on to become one of the key players in ending racial segregation in this country. i had the honor of talking with the congressman this morning about his memories from that historic day 50 years ago. >> i must tell you, i feel more than lucky but very blessed to be able to stand here 50 years later and to see the progress we've made. and just to see the changes have occurred. if someone had told me 50 years ago that an african-american would be in the white house as the president, i probably would have said you're crazy. out of your mind. you don't know what you're talking about. the country is a different country.

and we're better people. >> now, when we get to washington, when all of the marchers and the leaders get here, one of the big six is in jail in louisiana. couldn't even come because he was in jail from protest. the tension behind the stage here was over your speech. >> by the forces of our demands, our determination, and our numbers, we should split a segregated south into a thousand pieces and put them together in the image of god and democracy. we must say wake up, erk many, wake up. for we will not stop and we will not be patient. >> they wanted to change a line in your speech. tell us about that. >> near the end of the speech, near the very end, i said something like if we do not see meaningful progress today they will come we may be forced to march through the south the way sherman did non-violently.

they said no you can't say that. and the archbishop of the diocese in washington said not to give it if i didn't change it. we met think this side of lincoln. and we had a portable typewriter. and the executive secretary of the non-violent organization, a. phillip randolph was there, dr. king, mr. wilkin. and he said to me can we change that? i said john, that doesn't sound like you. and mr. randolph said we've come this far together. let's stay together. i couldn't say no to a. phillip randolph. i couldn't say no to martin luther king jr. >> as you walked to the podium here to speak, what was going through your mind. you'd been in the trenches, you'd been arrested. you faced all that.

what were you thinking when you stood here and looked out? >> when i stood here and looked out and saw the sea of humanity, i was gratified. i was deeply moved and inspired so many people had turned out. some people say it was 250,000 people. i think it was many more. i looked to my right and i saw all of these young people standing there just cheering. and then i looked to my left, i saw young men black and white, up in the trees trying to get a better view of the podium and the lincoln memorial. and i looked straight ahead and i saw all of these people with

their shoes off, their feet in the water trying to cool off. i looked straight ahead and i said to myself, this is it. and i started speaking. >> those saying be patient and wait, we must say we cannot be patient. we do not want our freedom gradually. but we want to be free now. >> two days after the march was over with was the terrible bombing of that church. it was a sad and dark hour for the movement. it just tore at the essence of our heart. i went to birmingham sunday morning. and i cried and cried. but i made up my mind to go into selma and go to other parts of the south and that's exactly what we did to gain and fight for the right to vote. >> you were beat on the edmond bridge within inches of your life. and that really led to the voting rights act of '65.

and now as you will speak here tomorrow with martin iii and i and others that have called this you a hero and symbol to all of us that grew up watching you like you watched dr. king. and you have a black president in the white house, a black attorney general who will be at the march with us. but we still have challenges. how do we compare the challenges of today with the challenges 50 years ago? >> i got to inspire another generation of young people. blacks and whites, latinos, asian-american, native-american. all of us got to push and pull and we've got to get out there. they're forces and not just in the american south. but forces all across our country that want to take us back to another period. and we got to say we're not going back. we've come too far now to stop or to go back. i think the march 50 years ago set so much in motion. it changed this country forever. and we will never be the same. >> that was my interview with congressman john lewis from the steps of the lincoln memorial. it was an honor to speak with him there. in that time and place. next, the powerful drive of

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when dr. king came out, he was this little guy. and i said look at this guy. he's a little guy. but he came out and took the mic and he just absolutely mesmerized a quarter of a million people. >> hatred left me that day, because i saw a lot of love permeating around this grassy knoll. hot summer day in august of 1963. changed a 17-year-old girl.

>> the march on washington changed countless lives, but none more than the young people who were there. edith lee payne celebrated her birthday on august 29th, 1963. her picture that day has become an iconic image of the march and the young people fighting to make this country a better place. joining me now is that little girl all grown up now. also with us is michael grunko who was just seven years old when he went to the march on washington. thank you both for being here. edith, your picture has become a famous picture of the march, but you first saw that photo just a few years ago. how did you find out about it? >> well, my cousin marsha was browsing a catalog of calendars and she saw my picture on the back of this calendar and to my surprise and amazement, it was

me. >> why were you here at the march on your 12th birthday? >> my mother dorothy lee had experienced some of the problems in the south in her travels as an entertainer. she wanted to stand up with everyone else for the injustices that people were experiencing and she of course wanted me to be with her to do that. >> now, michael, you grew up in maine far away from the problems. and obviously you were not an african-american. why was it so important for you to stand up and be a part of this march? >> i was a jewish kid growing up in bangor, and my father had come over from poland. my parents had experienced discrimination because of their religion.

my dad changed his name from gruski to grunko. but i had the opportunity because almost by accident i joined the naacp in the spring of '63. and then in the summer in june and july i got a phone call from the president of the maine naacp saying do you want to be a youth representative to the march on washington? and i turned to my family and i said i'd like to go. and my aunt from brooklyn, new york, said they'll kill him. he'll die. and i waited until she left, and then i talked to my dad and then my mom. they said okay. so i hopped on a greyhound bus and the bus took me to lewiston, maine, and we met somebody and went to boston. there were 30 buses in boston. the six of us climbed on and drove through the night and came to baltimore for breakfast and as i -- >> how was it traveling to the march? >> everything got erased by the sense of coming into a bus full

of people, people of color who were full of the spirit. who were singing the songs, who were going some place to speak truth to power, going to stand witness for the righteous cause that they were standing for. and as we were pulling down route 1 down new york avenue here in washington, i noticed that not only was every -- was the lane of buses going south full, but they turned the northbound lane into a southbound lane and there were two lanes of buses streaming into washington. at that point what i thought was big, i realized was huge. >> you know, edith, i want you to listen to the photographer who took your picture. and listen to what he has to say. >> i was shooting and i looked over and saw this young black girl, really beautiful, very serious and interested in what was happening.

and i did a picture of her that's turned out to be the -- she turned out to be the poster child for not only the march, but her image is all over. it's a terrific image. i'm very, very proud of it. >> you know, you were only 12 years old that day. and do you remember what you were thinking about during the march? >> i do. i remember thinking evening before coming to the march but i remember thinking how important it was because growing up in detroit, michigan i lived the dream dr. king talked about. i lived in an integrated neighborhood. i rode the bus. we ate at lunch corners. my mother didn't dry. i went to an integrated church. so when i heard people in the south couldn't do the things that i did, while i knew the constitution and the declaration of inside and he recited the

pledge of allegiance every day, that's what i expected the entire country to do. thankfully dr. king stood up for that for those people that weren't able to do those things. that was the passion i felt on that day. >> what do you most remember about the speeches and the program that they -- you were 17 at the time. anything stand out in your mind? >> it was the sea of humanity, of black people and white people and the voices of the speaker of john lewis and all the other music. i can arrest peter, mall and mary and joan baez singing. it was inspiring. it was a sense that would be a hugely impressive show, that people were standing together and standing up for what was right. >> i see you brought me banners of the march.

this is beautiful. your mother brought you to the march. you drove all the way from detroit to march with us tomorrow. >> that's right. >> we're proud of you and we're proud of you that 50 years later you live to tell the story. thank you both for your time don't. >> thank you. >> thank you so much. ahead, the dream continues. >> i felt not to be involve with

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will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. i have a dream! in 50 years, this country has made tremendous progress, but the effort to change this country for the better still lives on. and that's something the president, president obama reflected on during an event at a university in upstate new york earlier today. >> 50 years after the march on washington and i have a dream speech, obviously, we made enormous strides. i'm a testament to it, you're a testament to it. the diversity of this room and, you know, the students that are here is a testimony to it. and that impulse towards making sure everybody gets a fair shot is one that found expression in

the civil rights movement and then spread to include latinos and immigrants and gays and lesbians and what's wonderful to watch is that the younger generation seems, each generation seems wiser in terms of wanting to treat people fairly and do the right thing and not discriminate. and that's a great victory that we should all be very proud of. on the other hand, i think what we've also seen is the legacy of discrimination, slivery, jim cro crowe, has meant that, you know, some of the institutional barriers for success for a lot of groups still exist.

>> a lot still exists, which is why on tomorrow 50 years later we gather at the same place. to march and to stand up and say, the dream that dr. king expressed 50 years ago is a dream that has not been achieved yet. yes, we can celebrate that we've come a long way in 50 years. african-american president, african-american attorney general, african-american governor, african-american ceos. women have moved forward. the lbgt community has moved forward. there has been progress and we still have a long way to go. look at the moves of trying to stifle voters, voter suppression. look at how women still only make 77 cent to a dollar to men. look at the high immigration

problems and the great problems that we face for latinos, for workers. we're not there yet. and we cannot have a celebration without a continuation. we owe it to dr. king. we owe it to medgar evers. those who fought for us to lay down their lives that we not sit back now and lounge on the couches of indifference when we ought to say thank you to them by continuing to finish the cause. they ran the rough rounds, we can finish the easy rounds and complete the manifestation and actualizing of the dream of dr. king. i'm al sharpton, thanks for watching. this special edition of "politics nation" live from lincoln memorial in washington, d.c. where we all try to advance the dream.