how can we ever recover from this? i know exactly inch by inch, mile by mile, community by community, they're taking this stuff back. they're doing it. >> between sunday afternoon. i'm craig melvin. developing right now, expanding the search in colorado. it's been the largest rescue effort since hurricane katrina. so far, crews have air lifted more than 1700 people, but many are still stranded. and officials now have a dire warning for those who are refusing to leave. we're live in boulder. what we can do is make sure that the worst weapons, the indiscriminate weapons that don't distinguish from between a

soldier and infant are not used. >> president obama says the united states is still poised to strike if syria does not turnover its stockpile. more from the president. and i'll also get charlie wrappi rangel's reaction to the deal. [ bell tolling ] and remembering a bombing that changed everything. we're live in birmingham today, how they are commemorating the 16th street baptist church bombing and himself a look at america's new hidden faces of hate. plus my conversation with bill cosby, his take on how we should be teaching civil rights and why he's been lecturing black people for the past few year. we start in colorado where are more rain and flash flooding is expected at this hour. that's threatening to complicate search and rescue he effoeffort more. biblical flooding has devastated

an area roughly the size of connecticut. according to officials, four people are dead, two people who are missing are now presumed dead, 482 people are still unaccounted for, and roughly 2,000 people have been evacuated from boulder and laryer larimer countys. lisa bolden talked about what it's like to leave everything behind. >> people's entire lives, everything that they own just fell off into a i have are and down. >> joe, we heard from officials that the helicopters were being grounded. have they been able to resume rescues at this point? >> certainly not with helicopters, craig. this is the last thing colorado wanted. already still trying to recover, still trying to rescue people from the floods last week. now comes another round. we're hearing now new evacuation orders for places that were

already forced to evacuate just a few days ago, including longmonth and estes park, who places hit very hard. as we know, hundreds of people still remain up accounted for. in larimer county, we learned an 80-year-old woman is missing and presumed dead. that would bring the death toll to five. as you saw at the top of the hour, the larimer county sheriff getting emotional. this is weighing heavily on everyone. helicopter rescues are grounded right now, that's slowing things down, but there are still fema teams on the ground driving in with these vehicles, that can plow through five feet of floodwater trying to get to remote areas, to canyons, to knock on door, see if they can find people who are still stranded and encourage them to leave. telling them if they don't leave now, it's unclear when they might be able to get out again. it could be days, it could be weeks, it could be even longer than that. >> joe, let's talk about that

483 number really quickly here, the number of folks unaccounted for. is the thinking right now that the lion's share of those folks are okay, they just haven't been able to get in touch with them, or is it worse than that? >> that is the hope, that is certainly the hope. and that number of 480 or so is in larimer county alone. there is also more presumed unaccounted for here in boulder county. their hope is that these are people simply tell stranded, don't have any power, don't have anyway to xhun kaegs and therefore they haven't heard from them. there are a lot of people still stranded in areas that rescuers have not been able to get to. so that is sermt hope that all these people are alive and well. it's just a matter getting to them and getting them out of these incredibly troubled areas. >> all right. joe fryer on the ground for us there in colorado. we will go back to colorado in just a few moments. right now, we want to turn to politics. secretary of state john kerry

was the administration's point map on syria again today, the secretary made a stop in israel to meet with prime minister benjamin netanyahu. he will then head back to europe to meet with british, french and saudi officials. let's get right to the brain trust. bob franken, esta harmon, and bill mccalfry. general, let me start with you. john kerry defended the agreement, but speaking in jerusal jerusalem, he made clear that use of force remains on the table. that ta a listen. >> this is only as effective as its implementation. and president obama has made it clear that to accomplish that, the threat of force remains. the threat of force is real. >> general, at shall point does talking about the use of force

over and over, does that diminish the impact of the threat? >> well, i think so. look, the good news is we're talking to the russians instead of bombing the syrians. but some of the rhetoric has been almost laughable. to tell assad we'll go after you with an unbelievably small military strike, we're not going to try to bring you down, change your trajectory of the ground war, not arm the rebels significantly, and by the way this agreement that we are trotting out, which again the diplomatic process i applaud, says explicitly no use of chapter 7 force will be tolerated by the russians. russians wouldn't agree on the 42 claimed chemical sites. and then finally there was no explicit provision to allow international inspectors to talk to assad's chemical warfare people. so i think we've given assad a time-out, he'll try to finish off the rebellion using tanks,

artillery, helicopters and assassinations. >> general, sounds leike you position the agreement has a lot of teeth. >> it has almost none. it off-ramped us from having the president unilaterally strike the syrians with a tiny strike unassumed by the u.n., nato, arab league, the pope, the american people. so that was the good news. but this has been a series of real blunders on the part of the administration. >> john mccain and leindsey graham wasted no time, she issued a joint statement. and senator graham made his feelings clear last night. >> it's a box cap i don't know for america. putin's led us down a road here where there is no good outcome. without the threat of force, this agreement means nothing. >> bob franken, what say you today? >> well, first of all, agreeing

with general mccalfry, the statements we're not getting from secretary of state kerry and others that force is still on the table, sort of has the ripping of no more mr. nice guy. kind of an empty threat now. and the people like senators mccain and lindsey graham are disappointed. but there is a perception is that widely shared that this was a pin ball. he was confused bouncing from one point of view to another. president obama said that he isn't interested in style points. unfortunately, style matters when you're dealing with a hostile situation like this. >> president obama of course took a very much an anti-war stance when he ran back in 2008. john kerry during the vietnam war ear remarks leader of vietnam vets against the war. you wrote these two leaders are caught in the politics of

swagger. what did you mean by that? >> that swagger is just about absolutes. so you take an absolute stance, it's john wayne style you either do it my way or you're dead. the trouble with that is that you really have assad using all those weapons against his own people, thousands, hundreds of thousands of people already dead. now, it was not that the american people were advocating nothing, but they were saying let us look at diplomacy. diplomacy matters. it is a tough, tough course to navigate. of course it's difficult because we're in the middle of a civil war, but if we do not explore it, to simply say we're going to target you with this tiny strike that people already know won't work, puts you in the position of absolutes. and you just lose. >> bob, syrian government ministry today hailed the deal as a, quote, victory for syria. he went on to thank russia for

orchestrating this deal, as well. is this a victory for syria? >> well, certainly the syrians can say so. they avoided a missile attack. and russia in fact was able to come in and look like they were the ones that saved it. so, sure, syria did not get its act. that will be perceive that hd t. >> we are addicted to short term solutions. we want 140 character resolutions and 140 character victories. the president says the threat of the military attack brought the admission that syria had chemical weapons. the threat brought russia to the table. so we shouldn't underestimate the importance of the threat. it's a long and challenging course. >> but the difficulty is there was no threat. it was common knowledge that congress was going to undercut the president and really discredit him. so -- >> but we had an admission that

we had not heard before. so we shouldn't underestimate the importance of the threat to getting to where we are now, but nor should we underestimate just the challenge of navigating diplomacy which is more challenging and revolution matter for america. the trouble is it will always happen to the cores of the president. he's a punk, he's lame, from the right. but this is what people asked for. south africa 1993, they bombed the negotiations literally. but the election still took place. >> general, i want to talk about something that was in the "washington post" this morning. the process of verifying, the process of actually getting syria to get rid of all these chemical weapons. arms control experts say the experience of libya and other former chemical weapon states

such as iraq could be especially structure difference in ways good and bad, as diplomats map out a path for finding, securing and destroying syria's chemical agents. how will those lessons help the united states make sure the assad regime complies with the agreement? >> i think this is a one off data point. i was part of the u.s. delegation at the chemical weapons convention we signed in paris. we talked about it for 15 years. most of the world came aboard, the syrian didn't until recently. in the middle of a giant civil war to expect that thousands of international inspectors and troops can get in, locate the chemical weapon stocks and safe guard them and then destroy then doesn't sound very likely. but i don't think that's really what's going on. in the short run, they're up likely to use these weapons while they're talking. what they will do while they're talking is try and finish off the sunni jihadist rebellion

with tanks, artillery, aircraft. up in of which discriminate between a soldier and child. so we're in a very countuncomfoe place. >> we'll leave it there. appreciate your insights. we'll dig deeper into the plan next. i'll do that with new york congressman charlie rangel. also, more rainy weather is delaying rescue and recovery efforts right now in colorado. i'll talk to one lawmaker who is on board a rescue chopper that had to make an unexpected stop. >> two rescue operations we were on board with that were conducted. just to be able to see and be part of what the national guard was doing was absolutely awe inspiring. and ready for hillary clinton? joe biden might be. you can't even go to the hawk eye state anymore without folks

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much of the opposition to president obama's policy on military action in syria have come members of his own party, including charles rangel from new york. let me get your take broad terms on the deal, on the u.s./russia deal. is this going to be something that is enforceable? >> yes, if the united nations says they can ham this, you bet your life i'm for it. my problem is i don't see the debate. my biggest for is being for the

constitution. the president said that he would come before the congress. i don't care which way the congress would go. that issue is before the congress. now, something happened. everything that the president wanted, he got now in spades. people don't like putin, they don't like a whole lot of people, they don't trust them. all i know is one they think. the united states of america at this time will not be bombing a foreign country, period. and right now, we got the united nations, the security council, a guy that has been a pain in our political back internationally coming and assad, the villain, saying what i said i didn't have, i do have. >> and that has been lost in some of this, the fact that they have now admittedly said they have a stockpile of chemical weapons. >> but most important, i don't have to vote yes or no about going to war.

doesn't that count for something? all i have to worry about is whether the country goes bankrupt or whether they try to kill national health care or whether or not the government will close down. >> let's talk about the president's political swagger moving forward and steal a fr z phrase from a previous guest. there are a lot of folks that want comprehensive immigration reform. you talked about obamacare. what has the crisis in syria -- what if anything has that done to the president's clout with congress? and is it going to hamper him moving forward with his domestic agenda? >> let me first say with swagger, i think there is something in the water at the white house. because once you -- i mean the senate. once you get to the senate and aspire being the president, all

the rules you have will youed so much go out of the window. it's impossible to believe with all the intrusions we've had in other countries that the last president that came to the congress was president harry truman. so we like to tell the president what he should be doing and the senate, every wants to be president so they know more than the security council and the president. but at the end of the day, they might kick butt, but they don't take the plit vote on it. but getting back to this, i do hope now that we have a pause and we can leave to a competent tent guy like secretary kerry to work out differences, and it's a fast time table, and they think they can do it -- >> so you don't think this is going to in any way hurt the president's domestic agenda? >> i didn't say that. we do not have a domestic agenda. a small group of people in the republican party has made up

their mind that they want the captain of our ship, obama, to go down so far that they're willing to sink the whole ship. so what are they doing now? we have what is called a continued resolution. it says congress cannot agree on a budget. so why not use the last budget that we had and then up we can finally get our act together. but they say that they're not going to do this unless we cut out the funds for obamacare. craig, this is insane. it's a gimmick. no one says that it's going to pass. it will pass the house, it will fail in the senate. but they say that they're not going to pass the budget. then we come around to what we call the debt ceiling which a lot of people don't understanded, bunderstand , but that could be the biggest financial disaster that our country could ever face by telling people, sure, we open $16.7 trillion, but the president's not authorized to tell you we have to pay it.

how much do they believe that they're willing to take down the republican party, the congress, and frankly if the government closes down and if we don't have an increase in the debt ceiling, these are serious national issues. >> congressman charlie rangel, we will have to leave it there. thank you so much. i always appreciate your time. >> good to be here. paula deen is back. the celebrity chef choked back tears as she was greeted by a standing occasion at a houston cooking show yesterday. it was her first public appearance sense admit to ting use a racial slur. >> unless you've been under a rock, you know i had a little rough patch this summer. but you know, it was an opportunity to learn. i just want to thank y'all from the bottom of my heart for your

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old, and one 11. sarah, i would imagine quite the emotional day there today. st still more events to come? >> reporter: that's correct. one scheduled in 30 minutes. this is a crowd waiting to hear a community memorial service. eric holder is expected to speak at that. spoke a little bit about the emotions going on today. and it's very hard to put your finger on just one. this is bringing up a lot of feelings and old memories for a lot of people. some helping close the wounds of 50 years ago and some are just reopening those old wounds and bringing back things that people had managed to forget about. we talked to one of the survivors of the bombing earlier today, she was actually in the bathroom with the four girls that were killed. and she talked about how this was so emotionally difficult for her and yet important at the

same time. because being here for her was showing her love and respect to those four girls who were killed. >> sarah, thank you. that bombing was not just a game changer in the civil rights movement. it also had a tremendous impact on children living there at the time. including former secretary of state condoleezza rice. >> it was like living in a parallel world. we didn't interact with whites. i didn't have white friends. >> condoleezza rice grew up in black and white birmingham. her city was the capital of an old segregated south fighting to stay alive. >> pie parents couldn't take me to have a hamburger at the woolworth's lunch counters but they had me convinced i could be president of the united states if i wanted to be. >> in an interview on politics nation, the former secretary of state recalled birmingham of her childhood. >> coming home one day from my

grandparents's house, a bomb -- we felt a bomb go off, heard apan explosion. and my father put us back in the car and said i'm going to police. and she said they probably set the bomb. >> there were 50 unsolved bombings in birmingham alone. so many in fact the city itself earned a nickname, folks started calling it bombing-ham. but it was the one that happened here on a sunday morning in september of 1963 that awakened a country and changed the movement. >> my sister janet had this little black purse. and we was running and catching it like, you know, like we were playing ball. and we laughed and played all the way to church. >> now in her early 60s, sarah collins rudolph will never forget that fun filled september stroll to 16th street baptist church. she and big sister adi may joined a group of the girls in

the bathroom. >> i heard this loud sound, boom. and it scared me so bad and it was so loud, all i could holler was jesus. >> adi may was killed, so were cynthia wesley and carol roberts. and 11-year-old denise mcnair. >> people of all colors, of all races, of all religions said we cannot have our churches bombed on sunday. we cannot have innocent children being bombed. >> the 16th street church bombing spurred the pass allege of the civil rights act in 1964 and the voting rights act in 1965. 50 years later, this week, the sacrifice of those four little girls was remembered in washington with a congressional gold medal. >> once again, our children have led us to this simplest of notions. they bring us together. they give us hope for when ours

runs out. >> cynthia, denise, carol, and ade may. condi grew up to be one of the most accomplished women in the world. and another friend is now mayor of the city. we'll never know what they could have become, but their legacy is evident all over the city where there is a thriving world class hospital and talk of landing ap-nba team. >> on which times when anyone talks about about birmingham, they think of the dogs and tragedy of birmingham.which tim talks about about birmingham, they think of the dogs and tragedy of birmingham. but they don't think about the people who came together to say we will make the change. >> and change they did. mark, always good to see you. let's start with -- because i know you've done some writing and reporting on this. precisely how was it that the church bombing 50 years ago changed the landscape so dramatically?

>> well, i think that the real importance historically of the bombing was that in a sense it woke up white america. it woke up northern whites in a way that they have not been sensitized to the civil rights movement before. that had happened years earlier in black america, but i don't think it penetrate white northern consciousness in the way that the murder of those four little girls on a sunday in birmingham did. >> we heard from sarah collins rudolph there in story, sister of one of the bombing victims. and she also lost her eye, as well. we heard from her earlier this week, she was interviewed and she was asked how much this country has moved forward. i want to play her response and then talk to you on the other side. >> i can still feel some of the hate, you know, leak people closing doors up in my face and

i just can feel it. i can tell that it's still there. but it's not like it was because they couldn't just do so much out in the open like they were doing then. >> you're right essentially that the hate has changed, but it's still there. hate groups have been on the rise in the last decade. who are these hate groups, and where are they, mark? >> well, they're really spread all around the country. by our count, there are over 1,000 of these groups active right now. that is in addition to a very large number of radical right wipg militia type groups. but as was just said, this is not the same country that it was half a century ago. it is true that heat groups are on the rise. it's true, also, that residential and educational segregation is once again on the rise. but we're in a different world in the sense down here 50 years ago, the police departments virtually all the institutions

of the state were shot through with real white see presusuprem people willing to engaging in violence. but is this a country where we see a case about trayvon martin. people can argue about what happened to trayvon martin, but had that young man been white, he would be alive take. >> you wrote an essay for "usa today" recently and you talk about whether we're better off 50 years later and wrou in part, quote, the voting rights act has been gutted by a supreme court majority, trayvon martin lies dead, his killer acquitted. new york city police department found to be routinely profiling people of color. what more needs to happen in this country to make sure that racial in-qualities are a thing of the past? >> well, the first thing is that we cannot pretend that because

we elected a black man president two times, that we somehow live in a post racial america, sort of racial nirvana. that's clearly not true. there are real -- more than remna remnants, very strong remnants of discrimination and of real hatr hatred. at the same time, immediately after the 16th street baptist church bombing, a white businessman made a famous speech in birmingham in which he said who did it, we all did it. and i think that you really can't say the seam thing anymore. it is not true that all whites or that all people in a larger community are somehow implicated in open racracism. >> mark, thank you. up next, our conversation with bill cosby. and i asked something many of you wanted me to ask him. ♪

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one of the folks in birmingham this weekend is bill cosby. i talked to him and president of birmingham's mile college and i started by asking dr. cosby how to teach civil rights to young people. >> we need a history that says, okay, after what then along came sort of a rest period that we could sit someplace that we could go to the university of so forth and so on. and that maybe we thought the people who didn't explain to their children, maybe we thought that's good enough, we don't need to fight like this anymore, we will just go on.

>> what should the fight now look like? >> the revolution is in the home. people say we need another program, we need another program. i was sitting with a police officer in hartford, and he said, mr. cosby, programs have a sunset. what does your child do after the program? does your child come home, does your child lay in the street, does your child hang out, what? but still with all of the reasons looking at a school closing, money nowhere to be seen for anything in particular, cities that are just destitute just about, never was there a

clearer reason for people to get together and stay together and stay on that which they should though about. we're back to we ought to be in the classroom with our children's teachers. we ought to be on the street looking at why the roads are not paved, why we don't have a store that sells vegetables, how can we grow vegetables. these times when the money is gone, this is where people need to pitch in and say you can't stop us. >> miles college is a historically black college down there in birmingham, alabama. i talked to dr. cosby earlier and he pointed out that you have quite a unique baseball team there. i understand the baseball team is predominantly white. >> yes. >> no, no, 95% is more than

predominant. >> but that speaks to a bit of a demographic shift that's not just happening at miles college, but also at other historically black colleges and universities around this country. talk to me a little bit about that and what we've seen over the past 50 years. >> absolutely. we have intentionally diversifying at miles college and across the nation with that we understand that we have a mission of culture, class and stability. and as we socialize our students, we want our students to be able to interact with everyone. it doesn't matter if their skin is the same color as minor someone else's, they need to have that interaction. dr. cosby was on campus this morning with us and he saw our baseball team that's about 90% white. >> 95%. >> i put this out there earlier on facebook.

and i said what should i ask him. and i got a lot of suggestions. more than one person said ask dr. cosby why he has spent the past few years lecturing black people in america. what is your response to that? >> look, i want my people to sail. and i feel that when the numbers show that we need to get our children and move them out of harm's way, children are not graduating at the numbers -- education is so important. yet we need to get to these children. we need to get to them and take them away from the idea that

they don't need it. i'm just talking about the people who are in trouble. the people who have the problems. we need -- will as a college president -- >> absolutely. >> and how do we do it, dr. cosby? >> we talk to each other. i mean, somebody's got to bring it up, especially when a whole bunch of people talk about, well, it's our dirty laundry, which made no sense to me. sounds great, but if you have dirty laundry and people are looking at it yet nobody comes by to pick up a piece to wash it, what's the purpose of saying you don't talk about it? how long are you going to step over it and around it? >> and we subscribe to the same theory as dr. cosby, which is why miles college intentionally has reached out to dr. cosby because he's dealing with the real issues that we have to deal with, the issues at home, the issues at school, the issues

where what do we do with our children once they leave the school. once they leave school and before they get home, where are they going, what are they doing. >> thank you so much for your time, dr. french. and dr. cosby, i didn't get a chance to say this on the phone to you today. but there are very few people growing up that i admired more than you, sir. so thank you so much for being a father figure to a lot of kids in america who may not have had, you know, the best of father figures growing up. >> i did not, craig -- i never got a card from you on father's day. >> i'll accepted you one next year. thank pup bill cosby. five years ago today, the financial world collapses collapsed when lehman brothers filed for the largest bankruptcy in u.s. history. president obama is set to deliver remarks about that anniversary tomorrow.

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we continue to follow what's happening out in colorado. right now there are fema teams continue to search for the nearly 500 people who are still unaccounted for. several colorado lawmakers, including congressman jared pollis even helped in rescues yesterday. congressman pollis joins me now on the telephone from boulder. i know you're a boulder native. you tweeted this picture a few days ago. you tweet add picture. here's the caption you tweeted as well. what's left of the street i grew up on. there it is right there. what has all this been for you personally? >> my parents' house was okay

but the street was completely destroyed. gravel was completely up ended. growing up i always heard there's a 100-year floodplain here in the boulder county area. there's houses that are in it. this has been the 100-year flood and then some, frankly. today the helicopters aren't even flying. people are still stranded because it's raining again. yesterday i was doing a -- we were surveying the damage with the governor. we saw people in disstress. we landed the chopper and we rescued six people. but there's choppers and national guard out. it's just a disaster. >> as of now, the official number is 482. that's the number of folks who are unaccounted for. are we expecting that the death toll is going to go up from four or six to considerably higher? do we think that the lion's share of those folks are just people we can't get in touch with? >> there's hundreds of people if not thousands that are stranded. meaning they can't get in or out of their homes because of roads.

many don't have power or water. we hope they're not in immediate danger in most cases and have supplies for a few days. it might take another day or two before the national guard can get them out. i don't know about the death toll. you know, where that's going to go. i think that we'll eventually rescue most of the people that are stranded. but it's still probably going to be higher than what it is now. >> is the rain, is it continues right now there? >> it's raining as we speak. the helicopters aren't flying. it's not getting any better. >> i know that president obama has already declared a state of emergency there. what kind of federal assistance do you plan to be seeking? >> well, you know, i mean, what you have immediately, i mean, you know, this stuff that's destroyed can never be replaced. it's people's memories, people's lives. everything that people had in their basements, in their houses. entire houses washed away. a couple we rescued yesterday, their house and their store which was a little store in

between lion's and estes park was completely destroyed. there's just nothing left. the national guard has been great. they're in here with apaches, choppers. they can't fly right now. yesterday evacuating people by the thousands. a lot of churches have been opened up with beds. a lot of community members are taking in extended family or friends for who knows how long. everybody's really coming together around this. we're going to fight through it. >> congressman jared polis, congressman, i appreciate your time. thank you so much. good luck to you out there in boulder. our thoughts and prayers with all the people of colorado. >> thank you. that's going to do it for us. thank you so much for watching us on this sunday afternoon. a special thanks to folks who've been watching us for the past year. today, apparently, according to the producers, it's been one year since we started this thing. we appreciate all of you who spend a good portion of your saturday and sunday afternoon with us. especially my mother and my

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