and breaking news. republicans are on the verge of taking $40 billion from your our food stamp program. they're about to vote on a bill that would slash the program over the next ten years. 4 million americans will lose benefits next year. we'll have full coverage of the vote and hear from senator bernie sanders ahead. but we begin with tonight's lead. the republican party is at war with itself. and the biggest casualty could be the american people. today tea party senator ted cruz raised the stakes to a dangerous new level. promising a filibuster against obama care in order to advance his far right agenda. >> i will do everything necessary and anything possible to defund obama care.

>> filibuster? >> yes. and anything else. any procedural means necessary. >> there you have it. 11 days from a possible government shutdown, senator cruz has decided to play russian roulette with the nation's economy. all in the name of derailing the new health law that will save lives. the dangerous game playing comes amid a growing battle between republicans in the house and republicans in the senate. it started last night after cruz released a statement admitting the democratic majority in the senate wouldn't vote to defund obama care. quote, at that point house republicans must stand firm, hold their ground, and continue to listen to the american people. tea party lawmakers in the house

erupted. congressman shawn duffy accused cruz of waving the white flag and surrendering. congressman tim griffin said senate republicans are good at getting facebook likes and town halls and not much else. do something. and senior republican aide said ted cruz came here to throw bombs and fund raise off of attacks on fellow republicans. he's a joke plain and simple. today speaker john boehner sent a sharp message to ted cruz over in the senate. >> guess what. we're having a fight over here. we're going to win the fight over here. it's time for them to pick up the mantel and get the job done. >> republicans are running a dangerous race against each other. trying to see who can go farthest to the right. they're willing to shut down the

government and maybe even send the nation into default. >> this is playing with fire. legislative arsonists are at work when they start using the debt limit for their own agenda. not lifting the debt limit is unleashing a torrent, a river of no return. it is beyond cataclysmic. >> it's a disaster in the making. these republican arsonists seem willing to burn down the government and our economy. in order to satisfy the extreme right wing of their party. joining me now is crystal ball and goldie taylor. thanks for coming on the show. >> thanks for having us, rev. >> thanks for having us. >> crystal, this is spilling over to hurt the rest of the country. what's going on here? >> what's going on here unfortunately is the further you get to the right in the country,

the more you're a celebrity and your face is on tv and quote, unquote leader of the party that you look like. ted cruz who is destroying his own party, who is putting his own colleagues on the right side of the aisle in a very difficult position, and meanwhile is jeopardizing the american economy, he's become a celebrity. he's being talked about for 2016. so his own very narrow political ambition is served by these kinds of incredibly dangerous shenanigans. >> even karl rove, karl rove now, he warned republicans against shutting down the government over obama care. the headline of his article calls their strategy self-defeating and in the article i quote, it is an ill-conceived tactic and republicans should reject it. this is karl rove talking about

his own party. >> you're right, but karl rove is a bully without a pulpit and no congregation. >> and in choir. >> i've got to driveway with krystal here that cruz is out for his own political ambitions. he is consolidating a base behind him to walk into 2016. that's what this is about. this is naked ambition. to say you're going to shut down the government, you're going to burn down this government and then toss the gas can at the white house as if they are to blame is unconscionable. they're going to take this to the wall. and so to think that boehner are running the house, he's not running the house. rand paul is running the house. ted cruz has him bent over right now. they don't have the power that they are supposed to have. ted cruz caucus as i call it has moved forward with this. and they're going to wind up shutting down this government. >> you know, krystal, goldie

raises a point that really to add insult to injury, they've been talking all day to gop trying to blame this on the white house. blame this on the president for the shutdown. i mean, listen to this. >> i hope that the president and harry reid care more about the american people and keeping government open as we do than their stubborn political pride. >> why is president obama threatening to shut down the federal government to deny those same waivers to hard working american families? >> shutdowns are bad. shutdowns are not worth it. this law is not worth causing a shutdown over. >> this is about a president who wants 100% of obama care or he's going to shut the government down. >> now, krystal, maybe i missed something. but obama care, the formal name the affordable health care act, passed the congress. >> right. >> it was a central part of the

presidential campaign last year that they lost. they brought it into court and the supreme court which leans to the right in my judgment found that it is constitutional. they lost that vote. you lost in the judicial branch. you lost a general election. you lost in the congress. for the president to say fund what is the law is now for them to say we will not pay the nation's debts unless you take the funding from obama care which is the law. and they turn around and say he's shutting the government down. >> right. >> i mean, this is political insanity. >> i mean, if you didn't laugh, you would cry. because it is absolutely insane. and fortunately the american people are smarter than this. because this is not the first time that the republican minority has taken the country hostage in order to throw a tantrum and try to get their way. and sadly it is not likely to be

the last. especially since we see just down the road after the fight, looming past that one. i just want to highlight the fact that there's a lot of focus rightly so on ted cruz and rand paul and the far right of the party. but really ultimately the blame lies with john boehner. because he could choose right now to work with the democratic party in the house to pass a continuie ining resolution that own caucus could support. but he has decided to side with the rand pauls and the ted cruzs of the world. so we end up at this impasse. it's time for him to be courageous and do something that's good for the country for once. >> let me show you how courageous he is and what his idea of doing something good for the country is. he got down right ugly today, goldie. john boehner attacked the

president for refusing to consider not paying the nation's bills. but listen to the ugly rhetoric john boehner came out with today. >> while the president is happy to negotiate with vladimir putin, he won't engage with the congress on a plan to deal with the deficits that threaten our economy. >> so goldie, here he's saying the president would deal with mr. putin over chemical weapons that are killing people and as a threat to us, but that he won't deal with legislators who ought to respect the fact that there's been a law passed and an election held and a supreme court decision. i mean, that is as backwards and ugly as i think i've heard in a long time. >> you know, i have to agree with you. but vladimir putin at least runs his country. speaker boehner does not run his house. and so i think that to say that speaker boehner -- this is a guy that walked away from

negotiations with the president a number of times. he cut a deal with the president, took it back to the caucus and they vetoed it. he could not negotiate in good na faith. there are times they've golfed together. to continue to talk about things like the debt ceiling, items like immigration. you know, it is -- again, unconscionable that he would stand there and tell that boldfaced lie. he simply did not have his own party backing him up. he could not make a deal on behalf of the republicans in the house. >> reached out and made deals and he had to break the deals. you're absolutely right. but don't worry, krystal, because the president himself came out swinging and he made some very strong statements to let people know he's not backing down. he actually said they're trying to extort him. listen to this.

>> you have never seen in the history of the united states the debt ceiling or the threat of not raising the debt ceiling being used to extort a president or a governing party. and trying to force issues that have nothing to do with the budget and nothing to do with the debt. >> extortion is exactly what it is, krystal. >> it's exactly right. and what's really scary here and what the president was pointing to is that you have a minority of the republican party which controls 1/3 of the government, just the house of representatives that are able to have all of this power. and again, it is john boehner. it rests squarely on his shoulders. he is the one that is enabling this sort of behavior. >> krystal ball, goldie taylor thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> be sure to catch krystal on

"the cycle" right here on msnbc. coming up, breaking news. eric cantor and the house republicans just voted to slash $39 billion from food stamps. but we can stop it from becoming a reality. plus much more on the shutdown showdown. the kamikaze tea party mission is causing chaos inside the party. i'll interview a republican congressman ahead. and america, meet desperation. let this just soak in for a second. who are the right wingers behind these creepy and misleading anti-obama care ads? also, friend or foe, i want to know. e-mail me. reply al is ahead. good job!

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217, the nays are 210. >> we're back with more on tonight's breaking news. the republican house just voted to gut $39 billion from our food stamp program over the next ten years. if it became law, it would cost 4 million americans to lose benefits next year. in the richest country in the world, this is the definition of shameful. joining me now is senator bernie sanders, independent from vermont. senator, what happens next? i mean, how do we stop these horrible cuts from going into effect? >> well, we do what the american people want us to do, al. what the republicans are doing is fighting for tax breaks for billionaires, for the one out of

four corporations in america that pay nothing in taxes, and going to war against working families, against kids, against the elderly and the children. and our job has got to be to expose what right wing extremism is which 85% of the american people disagree with and put these people on the defensive. you are right. at a time when the richest people in this country are becoming richer and the middle class is disappearing, it is beyond shameful to cut food programs, nutrition programs for people in need. to allow people in this country to go hungry. >> it's shameful. it is shameful. but now it goes to the senate to you and your colleagues. the senate is not going to let them get away with this, are they? >> not if i have anything to say about it, no. the issue is right now is to protect the most vulnerable people in this country and at the same time to bring in more revenue from the one out of four

corporations that doesn't pay a nickel in taxes and from the wealthiest people in this country. from the united states of america, we cannot go to war against people who are struggling to keep their heads above water. >> now, listen to some of the ways the right justified these cuts in the fight today or the debate in the house over this. i want you to hear some of the debate and the arguments they raised. >> republicans aren't trying to take food out of baby's mouths or make our seniors go hungry. don't believe the scare tactics from my colleagues. this is a common sense reform that cuts waste, fraud, abuse leaving more money for the americans who truly need help. >> it doesn't cut people off from food stamps. what it does is ask that they either work, look for work, or train for work while they're receiving those benefits. >> you have to make sure that

you're a part of trying to go and better your life, not using the food stamp program as an alternative to the hard work which will help you and perhaps your family. >> i mean, it's outrageous. they want to act like they're doing the best thing for people whoo a who are trying to make ends meet. 50% of them with people in the household works. most of them seniors and children. and they sit there and admonish them like they're just receiving food stamps which is barely enough for anyone to even survive on when you go on that kind of food diet as some members of congress have. they act like people are doing this out of some irresponsibility rather than responding to their circumstances. >> as you mentioned, 85% of the

people on food stamps are children. they're parents, people with disabilities, senior citizens. when these guys say they're not cutting nutrition programs for senior citizens, that's an absolute lie. as a result of sequestration, one of the cuts has been that the meals on wheels program -- you know what that is. that's the program that delivers food to the most vulnerable people in america, thousands of those people are off the program. we continue sequestration, more will be. look. what this is about is right wing extremism. and their job is to protect the wealthy and the powerful at the expense of working families and low income people. and the greed and the shameful actions that they are proposing are just -- are unacceptable to the american people. we have got to rally the american people and come up with a very, very different set of positions. >> no doubt about it. and senator bernie sanders, we will be watching this as this

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tomorrow house republicans will cast a vote making clear their threat to the country. defund obama care or we'll shut down the government. it's a horrible idea, and more and more republicans admit it. gop senator bob corker calls it quote, a tactic that will fail and weaken our position. senator richard burr said it was one of the dumbest ideas i've heard of. congressman tom cole calls it a temper tantrum. and karl rove calls it a self-defeating, and it's ill conceived. joining me now is congressman doug collins, republican from georgia. a close sponsor of the bill to defund obama care as part of any plan to fund the government. thanks for joining me, congressman. >> good evening, al.

good to be with you. >> now, why do you think you're right and these other republicans are wrong? >> well, i'm new up here. but i ran on a campaign of understanding and listening to the american people over this health care issue. one of the things since i've gotten up here, i'll be honest with you. i sat back and listened to the democrats. i called to those across the aisle that called this a train wreck, not ready for primetime. they went on and on about how this law is not ready to be. even the president has put it off from the businessman date and putting things together. this is not ready for the american people. so the republicans are not shutting down the government. in fact, we're fully funding the government through our cr except we're saying we're not ready to impose this on the american people. we're protecting the american people from funding the government but also protecting them from a law who democrats say are not ready. >> you said you listen to the american people. the american people voted when

this was an election issue last year. were you listening then? the congress voted and made it law. were you listening then? the supreme court said that it was constitutional. were you listening then? you're a congressman. you are deciding that a law that was passed, that was certified by the supreme court, you can decide not to fund? >> well, i think it's interesting that you would make those assessments then you have the president of the united states taking black letter in one part of the health care law was to take place and deciding that's not really what the law meant. i'm going to delay that for a year because i didn't like the consequences of it. al, you can't have it both ways. you can't say republicans are not listening to the american people when by the way if you look at the polls recently, most are coming around to the conclusion this is not a good idea for the american people. then you can't have both sides when you've got the administration putting -- >> congressman, you and i both know you can have polls in your district, the elections were

there. and the president delaying part of the enactment has nothing to do with you and your colleagues saying you will not fund what is law. if we allow members of congress to do this, you can duh fund any law you choose. that's not the base of democracy. >> it is if you read article one, al. that's where the understanding is the congress controls the pursestrings. the congress decides what is to be funded from this government. and there have been plenty of examples over time in which things have not been funded. in which the congress decides what this is. this is not about a debate on anything else except congress doing its role reflecting the respective views we have and funding the government. don't let your viewers be misled. we are funding the government. we are just listening to those saying it's not ready for

primetime. we're protecting you from both. >> the congress is saying that we will shut the government down, the republicans, if we have to fund obama care. you're not just saying you don't want to fund it. you want to say you're going to to do this or we're going to shut the government down. the president is not saying that. republicans that i just criticized, you goo is are saying my way or we're going to shut the whole government down. >> now, we just got to disagree here. the president is the one that brought up the republicans are willing to shut the government down. harry reid said he's not going to negotiate. at this point in time we're the only ones that put in a place to fund the government that defunds government. if you want to put a face on shutting the government down, look to harry reid. those are the ones shutting the government down. we're not putting that up. >> all right. fair. now let me ask you a direct

question. if, in fact, the united states congress has to go forward with obama care which is law, the affordable health care act, would you therefore say that you would not vote to shut down the funding for the rest of the government, or are you saying in this bill that if any of this is funding the affordable health care act that you will not go forward in paying the country's bill and paying the funds that are available for the rest of what the budget is at this point? >> i will say exactly what i've been saying all along in this interview and before this interview. we are putting forward a bill that funds the government and in the house right now we're funding the government, we're taking care of the american people and protecting them from which something -- >> as long as health care is not in it. as long as health care is not in it. >> we're putting that bill forward. we're sending it to the senate. now it's time for the senate to act on this. >> no, no, no. whoa, whoa, whoa, sir -- >> you asked a question. i'm answering.

>> it's as long as health care is not in it, is that right? >> at this point that's the bill we're putting forward. >> which is shutting down the government if you don't get your way. >> there are two sides to this equation. there's the house and the senate. we're putting forward a bill that fully funds the government. it's now time for the senate to decide. and if harry reid and the rest want to stand in the way, it's their choice. >> fully fund the government if it does not include the health care bill. you said you're a new congressman. you just got there. in your district, sir, 147,725 people, 21% of your district doesn't have health insurance. how can you say to your constituents that with this bill can be insured with pre-existing conditions, can have their kids on until they're 26 years old. nothing has been done in advance to help them. here you have a bill that would help them. how do you go home and tell them

you're doing the right thing? >> well, i'll be happy to take you to the ninth district. you give those statistics. when they realize that not all of those would be covered by health care then they can ask you the questions of saying where is our health care. this bill does not take all the uninsured off the rolls. everywhere i go people are nervous, they're uncertain and do not understand why the government is forcing them to do this in their health care. i have a daughter -- >> people don't understand, congressman, is how we pass laws the supreme court upholds and you guys come in and say we're not going to fund it and even worse, if money goes there, we'll shut the whole government down. we thought we lived in a democracy with a balance of powers between three branches of government. we didn't think the supreme court, the congress, and the voters could be told we're going to tell you all take a hike, we'll shut it all down if we

don't have our way. come on, congressman. that's not what the country is supposed to be around. >> this is not a democracy. this is a republic. >> oh, this is not a democracy. >> it's a republic. look at the constitution. we're reflecting the people of the ninth district. i want to make one thing clear. and i enjoy having this conversation with you. >> and i enjoy it too because i really hope the people in the ninth district know in the next election they should not vote thinking this is democracy. that doug collins says this is not a democracy. i'll even send you the clip so you can play it in your next campaign. >> well, you don't have to worry about that. the ninth district of georgia knows where i stand. that is that we're going to protect them from a bad law and fund the government. if the democrats want to play politics or you want to discuss things that may or may not happen, that's fine. but we're doing the people's business. we're doing what we're supposed to be doing. >> in a republic. congressman doug collins, thank you very much for your time. >> thank you. let's bring in jamal

simmons. jamal, we're not a democracy. >> apparently we are not a democracy. >> i'm beginning to understand now how they're so hard. and clearly we are a republic but we are supposed to be a democracy. >> one person, one vote i think is a fundamental ethos of our tenant. >> i don't know what else he would have said if we kept going. but i think the inflexibility and the arrogance of this position and face of it going through so many different branches of government, the supreme court said it's constitutional. you can't just turn around and say we're going to shut the whole government down if we don't have our way. >> supreme court says constitutional. the president ran on this in 2008 and again in 2012. the american people -- >> and romney ran against him against this bill. >> romney ran against him. and the senate, we have democratic control of the senate again. so i think the republicans are completely out of their league. let's stay focused on the real

life people here. you talk about the number of people in the congressman's district. a woman sat up at breakfast today with a 13-year-old son with a pre-existing disease. for the rest of his life he may not be able to get health care if this bill doesn't get funded. she's very concerned about that. you've got people 28 years old who are working part-time jobs trying to keep themselves afloat. they need health care. what happens when they show up at the doctor's office or get in a car accident, have to spend their lives pay off a big bill. >> one has got to say there's got to be other motives. like trying to embarrass or stop this president. because for them to be so entrenched that we will not pay the other bills of this government if we have to fund something that is already been passed, it's unthinkable. >> it is unthinkable. here's the reality. we have to pay these bills. these are bills that have

already been racked up. that's like you calling your credit card company and saying yeah, forget about the stuff we've already paid for. we don't want to do that anymore. you can't do that. as a big country like the united states, everybody in the world knows full faith and credit of the united states is supposed to be behind what we say as a government and the bills we rack up. >> jamal simmons, thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you. and the secret right wing money machine is out with these new fear mongering ads attacking obama care. we'll show you just how low they're going. forty ti mes. forty ti mes. that's how often a group of house republicans have voted against obamacare, just to prove their allegiance to their party's right wing. okay - they've said their piece. but now they've gone even further... threatening to shut down the government if obamacare isn't dismantled. it could disrupt social security and veterans benefits,

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and now we turn to the story that literally stopped me in my tracks this morning. with just 11 days to go until president obama's health care law goes into effect, the right wing is getting desperate. how desperate? this desperate. >> i see you chose to sign up for obama care. >> yeah. it's actually my first time here. >> well, here we are then. change into a gown and the doctor will see you soon. >> if you're wondering, yes, you did just see that. a right wing group using this ad

to scare young people away from the law. it might be the creepiest ad i've ever seen. never pictured uncle sam like this. and he's not just terrorizing young women. >> i see you're new to obama care as well. >> yes. i saw the ads and figured why not. >> take your pants off. >> these ads are completely dishonorable and dishonest. the affordable care act does not in any way get between patients and their doctors. nothing in the law will get in the way of a physical exam. this is ugly fear mongering and it's dangerous. so who's behind this? a virginia-based group bank rolled by the koch brothers. remember them? they're the billionaires who

called the 2012 elections the mother of all wars. they backed a secret fund that ended up being the second largest donor to conservative caucuses last year. they hold secret planning conventions at resorts to help write laws and funnel money to tea party groups all across the country. and now these guys are telling college kids not to get health insurance. it's despicable. joining me now is joe madison. thank you for being here tonight. >> thank you. >> joe, have you ever seen fear mongering like this ads? >> look. they have either made uncle sam a gynecologist or a pervert. this is what it boils down to. this is what they've done. and the reality is that young women should know that you can go in and get mammograms, no out of pocket expense, you can get

the kind of preventive care. young men, as one who has gone through prostate cancer, you can get this with no out of pocket expense. these are things to prevent people from getting sick or to at least detect how sick they might be. this creepy is beyond the words. and i'm surprised that even general managers of tv stations would even think about running this. >> but they are. and let the tell you something. in case you weren't scared enough already, here's some more on the koch brother who is are funding this. they pledged to spend $60 million personally to defeat president obama. they host semi-annual conventions with rich donors and guests like paul ryan and senator ted cruz. they also try to influence politics locally donating to state level candidates and ballot measures. and their pet causes include

attacking health care laws, denying climate change, and fighting wall street reform. >> and it's not working. i just came back from detroit. the day that i arrived in detroit on monday, guess what the governor did. he signed into law a medicare and it's 700,000 people who will now benefit from obama care. and most important of all as you know we've got to convince young people and mothers should be convincing their daughters and their sons that you need to be signing up on october 1 or some time thereafter. >> let's bring in joy reid. joy, the reason these ads are geared towards young people and it's misinformation, just outright distortions and lies is because a lot of young people need to sign up october 1st and going forward. this is directly targeted at keeping young people from signing up by scaring them with misinformation.

>> well, scaring them with misinformation but doing it in probably the stupidest way that i've ever seen done by advertising. first of all, how committed are you when you're a billionaire and only spending that on a campaign. that is almost zero spending. second of all, the young people in those ads with the creepy uncle sam, first of all they looked under 26. they don't have to sign up for anything. they're on their parents' insurance until they're 26. it's 27-year-olds and up that need to sign up for the exchanges. and what is somebody who's 27 doing? probably working probably trying to move out of their parents' house. the idea you're going to convince them that they -- >> i think the point is that they're targeting and it shows that there is nothing that some of these groups won't do to try and stop something that would help millions of americans. i think would really stop me in my track is that these people

seem to have no boundaries. and why are you this desperate on something that clearly will help so many people. >> well, the reason they're this desperate is because the worst nightmare for people like the koch brothers would be for younger people to sign up for the affordable care act, get health coverage, and like having health coverage. meaning they get sick, go to a doctor. because that is armageddon for them. because then those people are going to like the law in their 40s and 50s and 60s and you'll have a generation of younger people who will be out of reach to the right wing that want to take us back to the 19th century. just like people that like medicare, they will like having their obama care insurance and it will be impossible to take it away from them. >> i think that's the point. i just had a congressman on that was debating me. they are afford that once this starts going into effect, i believe this is their fear, and the benefits of there, even

those that they have misled and fooled would start saying what's wrong with this, this is good. the same happened, i'm told, with social security and other things in the safety net. >> the g.i. bill, all of that. you're right. our social contract. is this the congressman that said we don't live in a democracy. >> right. >> we don't understand the democratic process. the reality is the reason they are desperate and desperation and creepy are the words. but this is halloween time. but the reality is that people are going to like it. they're already liking it. seniors are already liking it because of prescription refunds. people are getting rebate checks back from insurance companies. people already like it, and they know that once this gets established, you're absolutely right. they're not going to want to go back. these folks are not conservatives. the koch brothers are regressives. and let me tell you something. for someone to be libertarian

and conservative and talk about staying out of bedrooms, we ought to get government out of our bedrooms. now you got them looking up some woman's crotch. >> uncle sam. >> of all. he's either a gynecologist or a pervert. >> but how can you disrespect the country like that? thank you for being here tonight, joe madison, joy reid. thank you for your time as always. and we should note we reached out to the koch brothers to join us. they directed us to the group they support which put out these uncle sam ads. coming up, we'll introduce you to congressman phil gindry who's whining about his six-figure salary. that's next.

big news tonight. we have a new member of the complainer caucus. congratulations to georgia congressman phil gingrey. the national review reports he was in a closed door meeting whining about how capitol hill aides can go lobby and make $500,000 a year. then said quote, i'm stuck here making $172,000 a year. oh, boohoo, boohoo. stuck making a measly $172,000?

actually, he makes $174,000 a year. but who's counting? poor little congressman. and does he know that's over three times the median income in the united states? oh, and i forgot one small detail. his net worth is reportedly at least $3 million. and he's in a long line of complainers. like then-congressman denny riburg? 2007. >> we're struggling like everyone else with the economy. >> what's your net worth? >> i am land rich and cash poor. >> struggling? he was worth over $56 million at the time. then there's congressman paul gosser a few weeks later. >> the lax election, i was labeled a millionaire. seriously, i ain't wealthy.

i have my own house. i wouldn't do it again. i own my building. i have a dental practice. i live just like the rest of you folks. it's all on paper. it's not in cash. >> all on paper? what about the $174,000 he makes in congress? and congressman sean duffy was singing the same tune. >> i got one paycheck. so i struggle to meet my bills right now. would it be easier for me if i get more paychecks? maybe. but at this point, i'm not living high on the hog. >> do they realize how hard people have it? and how fortunate they are? . i guess not. because just moments ago congressman gingrey voted to cut food stamps. that definitely puts him in the complainer caucus. congressman, did you think we wouldn't notice your crocodile tears? nice try but take this one to the bank.

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it's time for reply al. remember friend or foe, i want to know. margaret writes dear rev, we need to ask the gop why they are not against the biggest handouts ever. yes, the subsidies given to the oil companies. absolutely. because if they were against those subsidies, then at least they'd be consistent. but giving subsidies to oil companies is responsible to help people that need help in this country that can't make ends meet. that's a handout. and that is something undesirable. i don't agree with that. fernando says why are you so biased about rush bim baa and fox news? i'm not biased at all, fernando. i just believe in letting people see what they say and dealing with it. they