didn't even know a tornado siren was going off. another tweet. watching the "laguna beach." >> i have never heard of the show. >> i think you have an embarrassing one to beach. >> coming off of patrol watching box sets of "the office" and "mcguyver." "morning joe" starts right now. two months ago conventional wisdom in washington said this day was impossible. and yet i want to commend house conservatives for sticking their

neck out. i want to commend speaker boehner for listening to the american people and for leading. for the house of representatives to stand up and vote to defund obama care is a tremendous victory. if and when we win this fight it's going to be because house republicans have stood up and showed the courage that they are showing right now that they don't stand up. the house is the one branch of government that the republicans have a majority. okay. good morning, everyone. it's friday, september 20. welcome to "morning joe." with us on set we have msnbc and time magazine. >> are analyst mike halperin, eugene robinson on the set with us. former treasury official and "morning joe" economic analyst

ste steve rattner and john mecham. we'll be talking about the pope in just a second. also new information on the potential motive behind the navy yard shooting and the effort to defund obama care, mark halperin we'll get to that in a second. how would you characterize where that stands? >> not since danny bonaducci had a man mishandle his career. >> pope francis is turning heads talking about the focus of the catholic church. he said the church has become obsessed with preaching about gay, abortion and contraception. and that people want pastors not clergy acting like bureaucrats or government officials. nbc's ann thompson has the story. >> reporter: in his short papacy

pope francis preached loudest with gestures. it's the pope's words making headlines as he spells out his vision of the catholic church in a remarkable frank interview published in the jesuit magazine "america." we cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage and the news of contraception methods. we have to find a new balance otherwise even the moral edifice of the church is likely to fall like a house of cards. >> it's change in tone and approach. we've never had a pope talk to the world like this. it's a remarkable thing. >> this pope is focused on peace leading a prayer vigil for syria earlier this month, highlighting the plight of immigrants.

the pope urging the clergy to seek out those who left and listen to their reasons why. this interview follows his impromptu press conference in july on the flight from rio when asked about a gay priest, who am i to judge. the pope now said when god looks at a gay persons does he endorse the existence of this person with love or reject and condemn this person? we must always consider the person. >> a lot of catholics go and feel excluded. now they feel more welcomed. >> reporter: despite this new openness few expect radical change in this 2,000-year-old institution. >> it's not going to be a historical reversal in church teaching but a shift in emphasis that american catholics are welcoming. >> that was ann thompson reporting.

eugene robinson this shift in emphasis or however you want to describe it i feel will change the direction of the catholic church. >> this is complete difference in tone from what we heard from pope benedict and will be welcomed by a lot of catholics. if i can ask john mecham a question. how long will this take to filter down through the clergy? the clergy is so conservative having been shaped benedict and his predecessor to essentially talk about this stuff and to be doctriner about this stuff. will they get the message? >> it's a wonderful question. the question now is has the pope made the more, to use american political terms the more center left and liberal kind of interpretations of the faith. suddenly is it acceptable to talk in those terms in a way that makes you part of the

mainstream as opposed to part of the quite, quite small minority? this is a return and emphasis stois the radicalism of the gospel which is that you love one another as you love yourself and if you read the interview closely you see that the poem is making a deeply primitive christian case for the radicalism of love as the primary reaction to the human condition. as opposed to a more dogmatic interpretation and set of laws about the behavior of those people and i think that's the really remarkable shift. >> so we're going to get an update on the navy yard shooting and go chicago -- >> i don't know that it is -- i don't know how much this is about theology and how much to interpretation it will get from the catholic church as much as

it is about emphasis. if the catholic church in america and western europe are focused on the battles with politicians and pop culture over abortion and over gay marriage and over all these other issues, you're going to drive people from the pews. >> that's what they have. >> i don't think this pope is saying, those we're going radically change our position on abortion. he's saying we're going focus on what jesus focused on. and that is being not bureaucrats. >> absolutely. to a couple of really disturbing stories to get to. there's more gun violence in chicago overnight where a shooting at a local park injured 13 people including a young child. ten adults and two teenagers and a 3-year-old boy were all shot at a basketball court on the city's south side. all the victims were taken to a local hospital. three of the patients are in

critical condition including the child. >> what's the deal, though? >> city is so out of control. >> what's the deal snfrry other city? >> gangs. >> it's the city. >> no arrests at this point. we're going to have to take a much closer look at this and get rahm emanuel on. >> let me throw it out there right now people in those neighborhoods in chicago, a lot of them, a lot of law-abiding citizens that would say you know version of stop-and-frisk you can import. while there's white liberals in the suburbs that love like wringing their hands and being self-righteous and trying to score brownie points with liberals and friends at cocktail parties there's a lot of people inside these neighborhoods who are the one whose are suffering. >> but i think they do a lot of

stop-and-frisk in chicago. they don't call it that. >> stop-and-frisk done well -- >> it's so much different than new york's policies, are they not? >> look, if you're going to bring up stop-and-frisk just so you know the ruling and the white liberals in the suburbs who actually studied this the way you describe them -- >> how are you studying while people are dying every night in inner cities. i do hope that it makes everybody, their criminal studies seminars across the northeast and universities feel better about themselves. >> the issue of stop-and-frisk wasn't that they stopped and frisked over here. they didn't do it over there too. they didn't apply the policy equitable. >> they did it where the crime was. >> they did writ the crime was. >> find the crime where you look

for it. >> no. >> that's not the case. if you live in new york city or if you are a cop in new york city or if you are responsible for keeping people alive in new york city, you know that there are two places in new york city where the preponderance of murders occur. one is parts of south bronx and another is brooklyn. these are numbers. look at the map of murders. these are numbers. >> look at the numbers of stops, look at the infractions found, look at the small percentage even where a citation was written. the only people who got stopped and frisked were blacks and hispanics. >> look at also the victims.

something like 95% of the victims of murder in new york are minorities. >> exactly. >> i said keep stopping. keep frisking. would it kill you top stop-and-frisk a white guy. would it kill you >> no. they should. >> but they didn't. >> as steve points out 95%, 95% of the victims of these murders are blacks and hispanics. >> it's a good policy used badly. okay. >> 100% of the constitution says you can't do it that way. >> we have a couple of things to get to. >> yes stop-and-frisk white people. all you want. but the thing is we got to stop the murders in chicago and we got to stop the murders in new york and all around the country and new york has done a better job -- new york city -- don't flinch like you're shocked. for its size new york city is one of the safest cities in the

world. >> it's done a great job. >> it has done a great job. >> it has nothing to do with stop-and-frisk. >> it has so much to do with stop-and-frisk. >> you guys don't let me finish my sentence. >> you're trying to move a counter fact the all. the fact is the number of murders has gone from 2,200 in the early '90s to 420. >> because of stop-and-frisk. >> we had global warming during that period. you can blame it on global warming. these two things happen at the same time. show me the study. >> again, you can't prove -- it's a rerun of woody allen movies stopping people from going out. come on, this is ridiculous. >> it's a good policy when used

correctly. >> we agree on that. people who are dying are minorities. >> everybody has a point here. let me get a couple more stories in. law enforcement officials are trying to piece together the motive behind aaron alexis killing 12 people while the fbi director says he did not seem to have specific targets "the washington post" is reporting that alexis headed directly to the fourth floor of building 197 at the navy yard where he may have targeted former co-workers. investigators are probing whether a workplace dispute was at the center of the rampage and now new questions about the police response. it wasn't until nearly after a half hour the shooting began that first responders had alexis in their sights. a police union say they were understaff and some radios were not working.

another strange twist the same private company that did a background check on aaron alexis also did the background check on edward snowden. >> great job. >> later today the house will vote on ooh stop gap spending bill that will fund the government beyond the september 30th deadline and defund the president's signature piece of legislation, the affordable act. the bill has no chance to survive the insanity. it's sparked a feud between the establishment and the tea part. >> they run these 30 second commercials if you love jesus and apple pie you'll vote to defund obama care. like 30 second ads, nonstop.

give us money and woe love to have your name for mailing lists. >> the country will fall apart. >> if you don't help us then you are a surrender monkey i think that's what they say. now, mika, they are saying this was never possible after all. something that charles krauthammer and myself and other conservatives have been saying for a long time. you know, they get their money, ran their 30 second ads. got their mailing lists. now they got the entire house republican caucus angry at them. >> are they being surrender monkeys if they say that? >> i'm sure ted cruz would tell you it's only other people don't shut down the government to defund obama care. they are surrender monkeys but

he's not for some reason. i love what bob corker said. bob corker said i may not have gone to harvard but i can count. ted cruz went to harvard, he didn't take a math class. the ivy league doesn't teach math because how could a poor country boy like myself or bob corker, a poor country boy like myself or bob corker from the foot hills of tennessee know how to count to 51 but a harvard and princeton guy didn't? don't they teach that at harvard any more? >> you can choose to take it. >> the backlash from their own party was so strong they reversed course and now accept the fact that funding for the law is off the table for now.

>> look. shutdowns are bad. they are not worth it. this law is not worth a shut down over. as soon as the house passes this into law it will be in harry reid's court and he may well be able to hold his 54 democrats to not listen to the american people. >> the laughter that rose over the caucus, the house caucus, the republicans who actually know how to win like elections unlike the senate which puts up people that have absolutely no chance of winning elections, the house republicans just exploded last night. just emails flying left and right because what ted cruz just made a fool of himself here by calling tom coburn and people like that surrender monkeys and

members of the surrender caucus and last night it was laughable. they are saying what we've been saying for months while they go out to raise money for themselves and getting mailing lists for presidential campaigns. >> ted cruz and mike lee showed how serious their error was by doing something senators rarely do, walked over to the house side. they are badly mishandling their own public relations and certainly with certain categories of republicans in the media they hurt themselves but still very popular with some house republicans wasn't the conservative movement. so i think you can overstate how bad a move this is but for ted cruz he can be a dominant force in american politics and not just a niche force. every choice he's made has put him more even more a niche. >> a niche force within his own

party. he's start ad civil war in his party and he's not the majority. colleagues in the house have been outraged. hill staffers are calling the senator from texas an amateur saying nancy pelosi is more well-liked around here. senators mike lee, marco rubio quote, are like kids in high school who would yell fight, fight, fight, but have never had a fight in their life. and should cruz's attempt to repeal obama care fails. >> if anything comes from this when ted cruz or rand paul fail in the senate next week maybe finally republicans will have ended their influence. we as house republicans should stop letting ted cruz set our agenda. he should stay in the senate.

>> pete wainwright a dominant force in george w. bush's white house. what a shame all this melodrama is a m ira ge, a farce, a game, all the pose storm surge is nothing more than political theater. it appears that captain courageous himself, ted cruz and some of his colleagues are now engage egg at least for nine a premature surrender. said product of intemperament minds. the question is how much damage will to be done in the process? as i said, senator bob corker said this i didn't go to harvard or princeton but i can count.

it was asked, how does this end? we made the job harder for house republicans. that's something i would hope we avoid, a response from senator cory. i understand their frustration ballgames of their inability to win races. >> you know the ads, you know the ads you were talking about, the creepy ads, a jarring new set of ads is encouraging to opt-out of health care exchanges. they are going to college football games and other events to offer millennials alternatives to obama care. >> look.

>> oh, my lord. >> oh, my gosh. it was too early in the morning for that. >> let's go back. usually in civil war -- >> you know what that was? >> of course we do. that's why we're trying to move on. >> john mecham, i don't know civil war in the gop works. the media loves to talk about a civil war. this seems to be ted cruz, marco rubio and mike lee against the world on capitol hill. and that's not said in a david versus goliath kind of thing it's said in a pickett's charge of way. >> you look in the last month or so. washington at large has not come

out in a particularly warm and effective light on either side. that's reflected in the polling and unease with the president, reflected that congress's rating is below zero. so i think the political paint ball that continues to go on, i think people are intuitively realizing that the republicans in particular at this hour are the ones who seem to be more interested in scoring points than solving problems. real economy is still not where it needs to be. >> you know, there are a lot of republicans that are angry, mark halperin, specifically at ted cruz and marco rubio, because they are sending a bad impression out there that they are pushing a plan that everybody in washington, d.c. knows has no chance of passing but doing it for purely political reasons to help themselves. like john cornyn said from

texas, ted cruz's fellow texasan, all we're doing is making the house republicans job more difficult. >> well, look the republicans are worried about going into a face off with fortunate. within weeks we have to deal with the shut down of the government and debt ceiling and republicans know the history although the president has struggled in terms of public relations of late this is his chance for a big come back. if they go into this divided confused of what they want which is what senator cruz has done they will lose the show unand end up with little or nothing to show at the end of these two weeks. >> republicans have barack obama on the ropes. they just don't know it. they turning around and punching themselves. >> a lot of democrats in the house are going like this. >> as mecham pointed out not just the senate republicans the house republicans are doing a lot of this to themselves. you do have this circular firing squad phenomenon going on among

republicans. it's terrible for them. >> most republicans would like to move on. >> again, obama care number, the approval rating is collapsing. don't even pretend, low 30s is collapse. >> thought numbers in the 40s. be that as it may -- it's not getting repealed. not get regular paeld by the senate and certainly -- we should move on. it's the law of the land. >> here's the guy version of that ad which involves a proctologist. >> here's bill karins with a look at the weekend forecast. >> not pretty in the southeast. we're looking for a rainy weekend up ahead. friday night football games and saturday college games are messy and soggy. as far as what we dealt with,

mexico had the horrible storm, hurricane manuel. we had a couple of thousand americans stranded down there trying to get out. pictures are incredible. there's reports of looting. the airport should be open by the end of today. military flights can get american citizens out of there and get them home safely. as far as what we're dealing with in texas right now you're getting the rain from manuel. it moved up over dallas-ft. worth into arkansas, that's your travel trouble spot. cold front going across the country will sweep that moisture to the south and southeast over the weekend. heavy rain today, dallas, houston, new orleans then as we go into saturday heavy rain shift, alabama, mississippi, still there in louisiana, a little bit up through the ohio valley and by sunday it begins to push off the east coast and lingers a little bit in florida. definitely a period of wet and rainy area especially as we go throughout the southeast. this is your last summer

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all right. 30 past the hour time now take a look at the morning papers. we'll start with the houston chronicle. austin court of appeals threw out the 2010 convict of tom delay. the conviction stemmed from a fundraising scandal that dates back to the 2002. the court said the evidence was insufficient to sustain delay's sentence. delay will avoid his three year in prison sentence. >> "l.a. times," post master general told congress that the postal service needs an emergency increase in postage rates in order to stay open. despite a recent one cent

increase for first class mail, cutting services will be needed to combat it's financial goes. they expect to lose $6 billion this year and in addition to the $16 billion it lost last year. >> "boston globe" the homeless man from boston who turned in a lost back with $42,000 with cash and travellers checks success reward. since his story broke a website collected $100,000 for him. >> good return on investment. >> other donations include lifetime dental insurance, computers, clothing and even job offers. james has been homeless for five years. >> this weekend's parade cover interviews richard, captain richard philips and actor tom thanks. phillips is known for his heroic efforts after somali pirates

attacked his chip. let's go politico. mike allen here with the morning playbook. i guess, mike, nancy pelosi unplugged? that's the title of your interview with house democratic leader nancy pelosi. let's listen to what leader pelosi said when you asked her of what she makes of the republican scorn for president obama. >> don't know. i never seen anything like it. i guess the closest identify seen since my service in congress was in a very irresponsible way when the house impeached president clinton because he was an effective president. this is an effective president. not only that he has the power of being a largely nonpartisan president. >> wow. [ laughter ] >> i love nancy but my god she hasn't seen anything like it since january 19th, 2009, george w. bush's last full day of being

president of the united states. >> why? >> mike allen, nancy pelosi unplugged. what else did you learn? >> so we spent about 50 minutes with leader pelosi and she said she believes that republicans are on a path designed to deliberately shut down the government. she calls it the tea party continuing resolution since that's who is driving the ship as she put it, and she said that her hope for avoiding default is that the business community would push republicans that way because she said they bought them the gavel after all. the one time during this interview that leader pelosi bristled, she took every question in stride, i asked her who the next democratic leader was going to be and she said your kidding? she was not kidding when she said that. she said we have a democratic leader not so fast on the next one. >> what else is politico looking at. >> also, a lot of buzz in

washington about congressman who said something out loud that he should have kept to himself, congressman from georgia was in a closed meeting with house republicans. they were talking about this issue of how staffers will be treated under obama care and he was talking about how staffers can leave, go lobby, make money and he said these staffers may not be maybing a lot of money right now they can go to k street, make $500,000 and then this is where he should have stopped and he said and i'm stuck here making $172,000. the congressional pay which back home in georgia will take you quite a ways especially which the congressman is worth $3 million. he was trying to say he could -- that staffers are going escape. not all staffers can go make

that kind of money. knees that's true. the fact that it was leaked by republican staffers showed you that even in the party this played badly. >> mike allen, thank you so much. have a great weekend. >> happy friday, happy weekend. >> happy friday. >> coming up, michael vick welcomes andy reed back to philly with his spectacular run but did coach reed have the last laugh? >> the dodgers clinch the playoff spot but it's their post-game celebration that some might be calling disrespectful. boston red sox trying to clinch a spot in the playoffs as well. we'll tell you how that turned out. sfx: birds chirping.

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>> football. >> what are we talking about. in the whole world. >> i'm glowing to clean my purse out. >> greatest tradition dings america. thursday night football. andy reed. what else happened last night? >> we'll get to that, joe. we'll get to the sox. >> national won too. >> whatever. andy reed dressed in red back in philly.

>> look at them cheering >> he ignoirtd. first gaer -- ignored it. philly comes back a little bit but basically lost 26-16. >> to kansas city? >> alex smith not good enough to start in san francisco, mika, but he's got the best start of any qb. that's a lot of gatorade for that one. >> kansas city the chiefs are doing well, the royals are in the playoff. >> everything is up to date. >> let's go the red sox. john lackey, took a year off and you are awesome. win 3-1. that was adam jones in the playoffs for the first time since 2009. let's go detroit. >> last year they were 30 dames under .500.

unbelievable. >> the year before they they choked. prince fielder will not get this ball. you know what he's going to get, he's going to get a smack. a little nacho action. >> i love it. that hilarious. that nacho is worth $1.25. >> i love it. so the orioles lose last night to the sox. you got the orioles, yankees are still scrambling all looking for the wild card. >> people are saying maybe i should take new york off this board. >> no. not yet. >> sure >> soon. >> peter gammon was on this show and said cleveland would make the playoffs. >> how about tito getting fired from the red sox and in cleveland. >> maybe it's good as what happened in detroit with mr. fielder. okay. the dodgers lead the d-backs in

the ninth. the closer gets it and clinch the al west win. the celebration in arizona raised some eyebrows because the dodgers swim in their pool. they are pool hopping. this gets you in trouble in massachusetts. >> is that a fountain? >> it's a pool. >> people sit in a pool. and then here, he's doing the worm. >> is that why bill karins a huge dodgers fan? >> he said he would never wear a shirt. >> you know why? he doesn't wear a shirt on weekends. >> the tank. >> au natural. >> he does the worm all weekend. >> denver, cards and rockies, let's take a look. colorado pitcher throws over to

first -- watch this. he doesn't throw -- i love it. it's little league. >> i love it. >>. this is major league baseball. >> called a time-out. he faked the throw and he tagged him out. you can do and the little league baseball and do that. it worked. he makes about $2 million. >> don't do that to a major league pitcher. >> coming up next, thank you, brian, they are the hottest young stars in business. lee gallagher is here with 40 under 40 list. >> i made the list. >> leigh, you look great.

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americans to eat better and get more exercise. now she wants people to drink more water. >> water is the best aenzyest choice we can make to feel energized forks cussed, healthy and refreshed. >> may i remind you that jesus hated water. yeah. that's why he turned it into wine. in fact, he refused to even get into it. >> okay. time to feel old. here with us now, "fortune" magazine's assisting manager leigh gallagher, the latest issue their annual "40 under 40" list of the hottest, young stars in the business. >> why don't we start with number one. >> she's working. >> she's working. marisa works harder than anyone

in business. this is a real first for us putting a woman at the top of the list. that's not why we did it. she's the most influential person under 40 in business. what she's done at yahoo! is transformational. she has the stock up more than 80%. she's made 22 acquisitions. and she's just getting started. >> just to be a little contrarian, the stock is up a lot because of ali baba. do we think she's more influential than mark zuckerburg. >> mark has been number one before. you know facebook has taken its lumps this year. they've come back. the stock is above a record high, above what it went public at. that ipo is behind it. look, facebook has changed the world who would deny that. we thought this is marisa's year and we thought she deserved the

spot. >> cover boy -- >> jack dorsey. he's one of the founders of twitter. he sent the very first twitter and the company was called twttr. he said the first tweet was setting up my twitter and little did he know a revolution was started. he founded a company called square which is revolutionizing mobile payments. taxicab drivers and dog walkers can put a square on your thing and take credit card payments. >> whose on the list that you find most fascinating? >> well, there's some interesting people here. i must confess i don't even know, which is sort of interesting in itself but somebody, even at berkshire hathaway, tracy britt. >> her title is warren buffett's financial assistant but really is -- he's empowered her with a

lot of responsibility at berkshire hathaway which has a small core group at headquarters. so she gets a lot of time with warren buffett. she's chairman of three or four of his companies. she's chairman of heinz. involved in overseeing a lot of the companies in the berkshire hathaway portfolio. she flies around. definitely a comer. >> that has to be an insane job because berkshire hathaway owns such diverse properties. you have to catch up. all sorts of things. >> she also brings the average age there down by 30 years. >> exactly. i thought it was 85. >> she went to business school and got out and she really sent him a pitch. think about the education you get learning at the hands of the master. she's got such access to him it's unbelievable. >> oh, my gosh the president of cinnabon is 35.

pat kole. she's cool. >> she went to the university of north florida and dropped out because she worked at hooters and she had the opportunity -- this is a fascinating story. they sent her, they said do you want to go around the world and open some markets for us. she started doing that. >> for hooters. >> she ended up leaving colleague and worked her way up and became vice president. she's been at cinnabon for three years. cinnabon is at the airports. >> only 3,000 calories. >> they are putting their cinnamon in pillsbury baked goods. i know it's not your -- >> oh, no. it is. that's problem. i need to stay away. >> who are we looking at. >> there's 17 women on this list which is way more, that percentage is higher than women in business across the board.

that's claudia sender ceo of brazil ace largest airline. >> how old is she >> 38. a harvard mba. more of a big business person. she worked at whirlpool and bain and now the ceo of this airline. we love stories like that. a lot of new names. >> a lot of women. >> a lot of women. >> up didn't use binders. >> no binders. no binders at all. we have a no binders rule. >> leigh gallagher thank you so much. >> and leigh's book is a great book "the end of the suburbs." >> so true. >> coming up, war on capitol hill. republicans fighting democrats. democrats fighting republicans and everyone fighting senator ted cruz. the moderator of "meet the press" david gregory and capitol hill correspondent luke russert join the conversation.

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the ground work has been set for a monumental showdown on capitol hill and it comes down a simple formula. democrats vote to defund the train wreck that's obama care or shut down the government. >> this week house to will pass a cr that defunds obama care. >> you can see the smile on my

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live look at washington, d.c., the sun is up, top of the hour. welcome back to "morning joe," mark halperin, eugene robinson and john mecham are still with us. joining us from washington, the moderator of "meet the press" david gregory, and nbc news capitol hill correspondent luke russert. good to have you all on board this hour. let's start with obama care, shall we. later today the house will vote on a stop gap spending bill that will fund the government beyond the september 30th deadline and also defund the president's

signature piece of legislation, the affordable care act. bill which has no chance of surviving in the senate, none at all, has sparked a feud between the tea party and the establishment of the republican party. senators ted cruz and mike lee have led the defund obama care movement in the senate. but the backlash from their own party has been so strong they've reversed course. and now accept the fact that funding for the law is off the table. >> what everybody has been telling them that for two months. here's what they said yesterday. >> look, shutdowns are bad, shutdowns are not worth it. this law is not worth causing a shut down over. >> as soon as the house passes it into law it's will be in harry reid's court and he may will be able to hold his 54 democrats to not listen to the american people. >> there's a followup of ted cruz attacking the house republicans the day before on

the very day that the house republicans voted to defund obama care and do exactly what ted crews has been asking them to do forever. he immediately thought oh, god the house republicans have done what i've been saying should to be done but i can't get it done in the senate. so now i'm going to try to blame the house republicans. there was just an explosion among conservatives on capitol hill against ted cruz after he did this. >> he's been goading their constituent, telling their constituents we can get rid of obama care, we can defund it and goad them into what a lot don't want to do. >> they have been complaining about that nonstop. now they are complaining publicly about the fact that they have been running ads in the districts of house republicans claiming they weren't conservatives, they were surrender monkey, members of the surrender caucus, said that about tom coburn a lot of hard

core fiscal conservatives and the house did exactly what they said should to be done and then they surrender. this retreat has outraged colleagues and conservative hill staffers and they reportedly are calling the senator from texas quote an amateur they are not the only people saying that. >> nancy pelosi is more well-liked around here. senators mike lee, marco rubio and cruz quote are like the kids in high school who would yell fight fight fight but have never thrown a punch in their entire life. congressman sean duffy said congressmen cruz and rubio refuse to fight. senator corker i didn't go to harvard or princeton but i can count. >> i guess ted cruz never took a math class at harvard or princeton.

they are not alabama. they are not the university of alabama or university of florida where i went to that school. i understand he couldn't get into alabama. he couldn't get into florida law school so he went to harvard and princeton, but you would think they would teach math there. like at least teach you how to downtown 51. by the way, we don't have to count past number one. >> senator john cornyn, how does this ♪ we've actually made the job harder for house republicans. that's something i whoep we would try to avoid. from representative cory gardner, the senate republicans need to take care of gaining the senate majority back and running their business. i understand their frustration. and paul ryan, it's pretty palpable in our conference, i would say, you mean, about how

they're saying we're not going to fight and back at you, we're not going to fight but forget about what we said earlier? yeah there's a bit of frustration. we all believe the same thing we all want to achieve the same goal and so we shouldn't be questioning each other's conservatism over tacticat disagreements. >> let's bring in luke russert. a couple of weeks back i was talking about conservatives on the hill that were blasting ted cruz and marco rubio and mike lee, but, you know, why don't you say the names because they told me the stuff off the record. they are not off the record any more. everybody from paul ryan to scott walker to charles krauthammer, you name it they are out there saying this is a stupid idea, never had a chance of passing and it's not about conservatism it's about bad tactics. >> it's quite stunning, joe. one of the cardinal rules of being a republican is thou shall

not attack another republican. we heard that so much during the 2012 primaries when we had those spirited debates. to hear this on capitol hill which ordinarily is always pegged off the record, and this time around sort of no we're more than happy to say it not only do we want to say it we want the message to resonate with republicans around the country that these guys are so far out on a limb and so self-destructive to the party they need to be reined in. i posed the question you could have a rand paul drone style filibuster for fund the government. he said yes to use any procedural tools necessary. mike lee said it's not good a idea to have a shutdown. from house republicans identify spoken to they want ted cruz to put his money where his mouth is. we want to you extend this as long as you can.

don't be surprised to see some kind of filibuster next week. >> the problem is, those that because he's aing takd conservatives in the senate like tom coburn because he attacked conservatives in the house to vote defund obama care. david gregory nobody will stand with him and shut down the proceedings and not let him demagogue. and the resentment among conservatives on capitol hill that had these guys for three months run 30 second commercials in their districts so they can raise money for their political organization and get mailing list names for possible presidential runs can then hold a press conference yesterday and go you know what? it's not worth a government shutdown and really as ted cruz said we never thought this would work we need a couple more

elections before we can do this. by the way they have been answering phone calls for two or three months and congressman and senators offices. they haven't done constituent work because phones are ringing off the hook and saying shut down the government so we can defund obama care. that's what i'm seeing in 30 second commercials in my district. now they are saying oh, wait we can't do that. it's outrageous. >> you know, as i've been talking to people on capitol hill close to speaker borne, they wanted to leave some space for the 40 or so conservatives in the house who wanted to take this step of defunding obama care so they can move on to a different fight and that's to try to peg delay of obama care to raising the debt ceiling. that's my understanding of where the fight will ultimately go that the speaker certainly

doesn't want to shut down the government over defunding obama care and when it comes back from the senate having not prevailed they will move on try to push a delay of obama care. i mean all of them recognize and even senator cruz has said it this is the only opportunity to take some huge stand against what is now law before it becomes part of the political firmament and entitlement firmament in this country. even once it settles in even if there's problems with the implementation, we know flat our entitlement programs. that's why you see this furious fight. >> let's bring in representative sean duffy. sean, i'm all for a good government shutdown. hell i've been part of a government shutdown. if you're going to shut down the government and i mean this, you got to get something from it. from the very beginning you,

paul ryan, tom coburn, scott walker, charles krauthammer, the most conservative people in washington have said this is just a dumb tactic and now ted cruz is attacking you. >> that's right. so, joe, all summer long as these ads have been running, as they've been holding town halls and raising money, we've indicate lid on our anger in the house as we were the punching bag and bullied by some of these senate conservatives. now with the cr vote that will come today we'll give them exactly what they asked for the opportunity to fight in the senate own defunding obama care. you saw this explode when they stood up and waved the white flag and say we're not going surrender, we can't win. back to house to and fight there. >> can you explain to us what it was like inside the house republican caucus on the day that you guys voted to defund

obama care and the cr and then ted cruz went out, held a press conference on the house side and attacked you for doing exactly what he said he wanted you guys to do. >> yeah. so this week what we did is we came out with our strategy we were going to vote on the cr to defund obama care. give ted cruz and others what he wanted. several hours later he sent out a press release saying we can't hold the senate we're not going to filibuster, we're not going fight and the house has to hold. i have to tell you what you should have been on the floor back in the cloak room. there was so much anger and frustration because again we've been abused by these guys for long. what i see happening people coming out and calling them fourth the hypocrisy of these tough conservatives who know how to fight but will never get in the ring. they can hold a filibuster in the senate if they want but they can't hold the senate

conservatives together and they keep trying to put this fight in the house. they can hold the senate and have this fight as long as they want but they are not willing to do it. >> i have so many friends in the house that are not only members but staff members said there were days that your offices were shut down by phone calls coming in and people demanding that you do something that you knew and paul ryan knew and everybody knew would never happen. it's like a political farce. you know they were trying to raise money or raise their profile or expand their mailing list and destructive to the republican party and conservative cause. what was it like in your offices on those days? >> on the days they had these robo calls come in we couldn't get work done. part of your shut down caucus in tea 90s you you burned the playbook and gave to it ted cruz we would be fine. >> i got to say this. i actually think to let you know where i'm coming from i think

history has it read wrong. we should have kept the government shut down longer, bill clinton was coming our way if we had the guts to keep it going for another week or two we would have balanced the budget. you're right. hit a destructive impact in the long run because we got into it and we didn't see it through because it was not a strategy to see it through. mike halperin same thing happening here. it took us -- we were running up the hill at pickett's charge before we realized oh, wait they can shoot down at his. everybody has seen this coming on the conservative side republicans have known there's no way. but what harvard and princeton grad ted cruz just figured out is we don't have 51 votes. but it took him a long time to figure that out. you heard a lot of conservatives in the process.

>> miscalculations set republicans back going into two big fights not just the shut down but what debt ceiling. what's the best case as far as you're concerned realistically now on these twoing fights, what's the best case for the shutdown fight and debt ceiling fight? >> i want to be clear a lot of us do not want to shut down the government but we can engage in a fight here where we have a solution that's negotiated where both sides can win. listen as joe mentioned earlier today america doesn't like obama care. they are confused by it. they don't want i want as a majority of american voters so we think we have an opportunity maybe not to defund it but get the president to agree to a delay in kbarm. maybe he'll agree to an opt-out for state strategy that we'll offer him. but i think there's enough play here with obama care and some form of delay where we can be winners. with the problems with the obama care roll out the president

might go oh, my god these guys twisted my arm so hard i'll agree a delay for a year. >> i'm not sure i agree with all of that. let's bring in david gregory. david -- >> that's a good sign. >> so, david, assuming they can count, ted cruz, mike lee, marco rub jobs what's the strategy behind these ads which makes it took like the world will come to an end. across the country on almost like the loop. >> you know they are trying to party like it's 2010 again. obama care was so unpopular then and they got a lot of traction and trying to do it now. democrats, if you look at our "wall street journal" poll have a slight edge over republicans on the party ballot at the moment. our political team, chuck todd and company were writing about

this week in first read. this could shape up next year to be a more status quo election. senator cruz and others look at this and say this is an issue to build a conservative cause around as the congressman just said. obama care is confusing. it's a patch work of implementation that's not clear at all. it remains unpopular in part because it's socoo confusing. they feel this is an opportunity to strike. delay to what exactly? they may want to chip away at it but unlikely you'll do away with obama care. for the senators you just mention this is a cause celeb as they are barreling towards a primary fight in 2016. the only prize that they can extract at this point is to try to fight for some sort of delay and peg that to the debt ceiling even though the president said he's not going negotiate over the debt ceiling at all.

>> luke? >> i'll pose this question to congressman duffy. one thing we heard from the gop leadership aides all summer is we didn't want to get into this cr fight because we wanted to deep powder dry in toward go all out on the debt limit fight. to what degree do you think this will affect public perception if you have these shut down concerns and ted cruz is hitting the desk, skraemg and yelling and he becomes the fafts republican party for a few weeks does that hurt you guys on this be debt limit issue. the polling seems to be in your favor. how do you maneuver that? >> as we fight the obama care fight we're on the side of americans. but if we shut the government down we're not on the side of americans. as we go through this fight if we continue and get some foompl win of a delay or stall or opt-out for states that's a win for us. we thoofb cautious on a shutdown. as we go out to the debt limit

the president has to come to the table. you can't say listen we have a $17 trillion debt, we're borrowing $700 billion to a trillion, i'm not going to have a conversation with republicans in the house and senate how we fix the spending problem in washington. he has to talk to us. if does, listen, there's enough room to find compromise in divided government. there's enough issues out there where everyone can win and we can get a solution without the brinksmanship that is a win for america. >> that's what ted cruz is trying to do this morning. i don't think -- i think he's in a concern. luke russert thank you. david gregory who is on "meet the press." >> mike lee, senator lee. we'll talk to wayne lapierre of the nra. he's back as well.

>> thank you so much. greatly appreciate it. ted cruz. i like mike lee a lot. i think a lot of people like mike. still got goodwill but man, mark halperin told me coming into last year that ted cruz was a smart guy and was going to do well and now we're all scratching our heads going -- >> harvard professor. >> he's not playing in the minor leagues. >> he was one of the smarter students he ever saw and he acts as, if you know -- designee acts as if everybody is stupid. >> it's like he had a huge i.q. hair cut when he came to the senate. he's not making sense. he's going to raise a lot of money and raise his own profile. selfish move. jim demint is raising a lot of money. >> there's 40% chance he's

secretly shooting a reality show. >> by the way wasn't it john boehner who said he wasn't going negotiate with president obama any more for some grand bargain over the debt ceiling and not the president? that's the way i remember that. >> doesn't sound like a civil war in the republican party. sounds like ted cruz is just angered a lot of people on the house side especially the one -- the one branch of government that actually voted to defund obama care. >> it's lucy and the football and he pulled it away. >> made a lot of money. >> also you end up feigning price. >> scar tissue. >> there's a trust deficit. >> still ahead one man's struggle to redefine a great american university after the civil rights struggles of the 1960s. we'll talk to the former chancellor of ole miss. ahead his grand entrance on a harly during a halftime shoves the talk of the purdue/notre

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look at that. >> that was the president of purdue university, mitch daniels having fun on a motorcycle during the halftime game. now information republican governor of indiana and former director of the office of management and business under president bush, mitch daniels. great to have you on the show this morning. really nice. that must have been fun. >> i can be talked into

anything. america is the greatest college band anything those young people ask me to do i'll do. >> how is purdue? >> great place. doing what nation needs. training engineers and scientists and computer experts as well as full suite of academic pursuits. but we're stepping up we hope to the challenge of producing particularly the technology leaders. >> as you move into this role are there other college presidents you look at as models? >> yeah. as a rookie i had one good piece of luck which was that i had to fulfill a commitment to my last job and it gave me about six no, sir prepare. david bourne at oklahoma. former president of the school i attended. i called everybody i could think of. i think i probably talked to 30 or so. many of them were people who had

been in business as i had or public life as i had. and had to learn a little on the job. >> and they told you not to do it. >> yeah, what were you thinking? >> wonderful life. >> no. i would say they were all extraordinarily helpful but most of them did say it was enormously rewarding thing to do. i hope i'll have the same sense. >> fantastic. so i asked you how was purdue. how is the republican party? >> how does it took to you. >> i always swore an oath of political celibacy when i took the job. i stay away from anything partisan. >> that was the thing going on in washington right now. >> in a sense. >> why are you here? >> you can't talk about -- >> is there anything in washington you can talk about?

>> the problems that they are having, fall out on higher end, all the rest of this. you know, without getting into the who is right or wrong about the tactics that the news is so full of, the fundamental question facing the country is what are we going to do get on a faster growth track so there's some revenues to pay for worthy programs and pay our debts and when is somebody going to get real about the entitlement programs which are devouring the rest of the budget. i'm in town for a major conference, "time" magazine is featuring on the future of research universities. they are our drivers and engine, we got to keep investing in basic research. federal government doesn't do it not much will happen. there's bipartisan agreement about that. not that people don't appreciate the importance of research, the problem is there any money. we're borrowing a third of all the money we're spending now and

the discretionary budgets for research and fbi and everything else is getting squeezed. >> we can say and we saw it yesterday with the food stamp and a cut in food stamps, we can debate that all we want. i don't think it's great branding for the republican party but whether it's food stamps or research or education, we're trying for this small pot and as erskine says it's the entitlement stupid. we're crashing and burning in this small area and leaving these huge entitlement programs that keep growing throughout the years. we can take care of it now through the long run and not hurt seniors 20 years from now. >> absolutely. i was with that whole gang just two or three nights ago in washington. very bipartisan group together.

david rubenstein organized the campaign. it was hart heartening to see people from different views in the room. how that gets translated finally into, i'll say this, plenty of responsibility on both sides, more courage on one side and there could be some flexibility on the other side that hasn't been there. if we just get started. we don't have to solve this problem. in fact it's mathematically impossible to solve in a decade or two. the pile of debt is just too big. we're a lucky country. if we just get started i believe we'll have the positive effects economically that we'll need to have. and the world will sort of bridge finances. but we got take the first step. >> you start talking about taking the first step and start planning 20 years ahead people are talking about austerity.

you can invest in new generation of scientists and engineers and i.t. engineers. there's a day that will come we can't. >> both parties have raised the debt ceiling, something we've done on a regular way. is that something that there should be political fights or should it just happen as a matter of course. >> it will happen, but i don't -- i'm so concerned about the problem we just discussed that i don't begrudge anyone using these moments to try to raise those questions and if they can get a little leverage to force a discussion it's not happening otherwise then that's not necessarily bad. but, of course, you got pay the debts and pay them on time and, you know, that will occur. we've seen this. i got a daughter who works here in new york, walking down the

street not long ago she heard some "new york" yell, known for talk loud. he said, you know, identify seen all this before. this isn't my first radio. like this debt thing. not our first radio. >> former governor mitch daniels thank you so much. >> in the big ten this year? >> maybe next year. >> up need to come back. we appreciate you coming on. >> coming up new york senator chuck schumer will be here on set and pope francis is turning a lot of heads with his interview about the church's view on abortion and gay marriage. the man who scored that interview will join us on "morning joe" when we come back.

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>> i think there's a profound and enduring beauty in simplicity, in clarity, in efficiency. through simplicity is derived from so much more than just the absence of clutter and ornamentation. it's about bringing order to complexity. ios 7 is a clear representation of these goals. that was apple senior vice president of design making his pitch for the latest ios 7 operate judging system and here with us now, editor of fast company bob safian. the magazine's new issue takes us inside the apple design lab,

how the crew defy expectations and the cover story reads in part this. if there's one thing that ceo tim cook doesn't want people to know is what dwells behind his company's signature. as a result most efforts to explain design at apple end up reducing a come plebs 37 year history to bromides about simplicity, quality and per effects. so fast company set out the remedy that deficiencies. it wasn't easy. precious few designers have left sir johnathan ive's industrial design group since he took over in 1996, two quit, three died, what we found is that the greatest business has risen to become the most valuable company in the world is completely misunderstood. bob, how so >> apple has been tremendously successful in buildi in ing mys

around its brand. but the assumption has been that there's a certain feeling or sharing of information inside the walls of apple. as it turns out there are separate labs and separate operations that work within april that will have been silent themselves and few people communicate that information across and it's the melding of that information what steve jobs and ive was central to that made their product distinctive. >> what's most interesting is this presence tense of the word defy. the ipod, the iphone, the ipad have been truly revolutionary products but there's a lot of debate and argument out there whether they can do that kind of thing again. what gives the confidence after peeling back the onion that's still a present tense word and not a past tense word.

>> they continue to lead in this area of integrating design and business. integrating the design of a consumer electronic product and the software and experience. >> these are incremental like ingenious things but incremental. >> remember there was -- there were electronic music players before an ipod came out. there were cell phones before an iphone came out. incremental can be revolutionary over time as it builds. i'm not saying or necessarily predicting apple will stay on top and come out with the next revolutionary product but at this point they are still the team to beat for others. and the model that they have which is this marriage of design and business, looking at design as the solution to business challenges and as ways to communicate differently and more effectively with consumers, apple is the lead player in that. >> steve? >> there's degrees of

incrementalism. the question is, you say you don't know, but do you think that they are going to be source of the next break through product the way the ipod was, the iphone, the mini was in its own way. >> i think the brilliance in a lot of ways of what the iphone has done is that they don't have to be the break through. they are the platform on which the breakthroughs happen. so all the things that you live with on the app store, apple are not creating those, they are creating the opportunity for that to happen. >> just to push back for a second. yes, that's way we are today. you can imagine someone else coming up with another device, another way of communicating. as you point out the tasks we've been doing but it's a question of how we're doing. you can imagine someone else being the next one out there to change how we do these things. is it apple or microsoft or samsung? >> unlikely microsoft. >> agree with that. >> think that's a question that

no one can an. we were talk earlier. in today's business marketplace things are moving so fast. you're only as good as your next product. apple knows that. they've been doing that a long time. others are catching up. samsung's business is extraordinary. so, you know, there is not an answer to that question. no one can answer that question. all we can do is keep working on it. >> the latest iphone that people are in line for now? >> yes. >> what's better about it. i'm like the old lady at the table is it cheaper? number one is the keyboard easier to use. certain people have trouble typing on the iphone. my mother could never use the iphone. she's an artist. no way. totally inaccessible. >> there are two iphones, different price points. the keyboard is not the thing they have focused on. it corrects for you incorrectly and all that. >> it has a lot more things it

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>> welcome back to "morning joe." 50 past with us here now. former chancellor is out now with a new book, the education

of a lifetime. it's a pleasure to have you on the set with us this morning. a former redskin. all pro kicker with the washington redskins. >> exactly. >> nfl lifetime achievement award. >> and he answered a question. the state of mississippi is paying curtis wilkin to do what he does. whatever curtis does. >> i have family members who are taxpayers who are still protesting. >> curtis is great prk r for ole miss. i grew up when archie was there. we are going to take us down to ole miss. >> that was fun. >> it's a special place, but boy, it has been through tough times. tell us about it in the book. >> we started in 1848 and from the beginning we had the elephant in the room that was race. when i was there having spent my

life there, i decided we were going to confront it straight up. no denials. we didn't behave properly. we had that terrible thing in 1962 that opened the doors for everybody. that was great. we spent 14 years working on the value of respect. period. respect for everything and is everybody. the land and the atmosphere and people. race, religion, and politics. >> it's the basis of any relationship. >> we kept respect and we wanted respect not only from the external, but internally. if you are negative, you begin to believe it. it's hard to pull ought from. >> i remember coming from the northwest and going to the university of alabama for four years, we talked to students and

there was a cloud over them all the time. are you kidding me? this is a great place. to be burdened with that history that followed so many students around? how did you confront it? >> the symbols of the confederate battle flag with all the stuff? totally different. >> first of all, it was an understanding that had different meanings and it was very complex. i didn't realize how complicated these relationships are. we heard some of my best friends are black people. it's the truth. i grew up with black people. everything was integrated except schools and restaurants and church. we were pals, but we went our separate ways. as young people we didn't understand that division. it's something we didn't do anything about. >> you talked about the symbols.

we lived in upstate new york for five years. we couldn't stand it. we are southerners. we wanted to get back home. when i went to the university of alabama, i got a confederate flag and a british flag and put them up on the wall and it was a source of pride of loving the south. i started an integrated school, but one half of the state was different than the other half. i don't have -- it's not like we have one hanging here, but this is a region where the two most admired people were robert e. lee and martin luther king. >> absolutely. that's the complexity of the south and the history of segregation and disparity between and among people of different colors. >> what did you do and what did others do to separate the school

from the uglier parts of the past and retain the beautiful parts. >> what we do is have a professional firm conducted with the survey. what do people think of ole miss? the most devastating part is people don't think of ole miss. >> past tense. >> but negatively because of race primarily. we found out that the confederate flag was the most divicive symbol that was in our arsenal. we had to get rid of the flag. i was very naive and i had no idea of the level of emotion people had with our flag. i should have, but i didn't. we took it on and it took nine months. you see the book and there were live death threats and people in the administrative sect had open

letters. we got to the mascot next and that was divicive, but nothing like the flag. >> highly charged. >> when you watch the games of the past and wave confederate flags and as far as the energy thing nationwide, that's what people saw. >> they used to argue that the flag was lost in the 50s. it became a symbol of defiance. it was hijacked from any historical significance they had. >> i'm curious. what in your life prepared you and gave you the sensibility that you brought to bear on this? >> this title describes what this book is about. that was beginning very early in my life. i was a member of a family of six. lower medium income. my mother and father emphasized

respect. my father was lebanese. we moved and he went to church that first sunday and sat in the third row. miss ida thompson said i'm sorry, sir, you have to sit in the back. we confronted it head on. we were very sensitive about it at my house. we were taught respect. in the south in those days if a white person called a black person mr. or miss, that was the first thing. i didn't know his last name, but i loved him. i didn't know his last name until i became an adult. that was early in my life. i didn't know i was going to be one to do what i did, but i'm glad i did it. one lesson with much more emotional substance. >> there you go. that's why it is the education

of a lifetime. that's the title of the book. thank you. it's great to meet you. we have to go. >> we are going. >> coming up, the pope has big plans to change the church. why he said it needs to take focus off abortion, contraceptions and gay marriage to keep it from falling like a house of cards. it could be an about-face for ted cruz. why he might be backing down in the funding for obama care. more "morning joe" when we come back. play close. good and close.

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>> good morning. it's 8:00 on the east coast and 2350i6: 5:00 a.m. on the west coast. wake up now. we have mark halpern and steve ratner. pope francis continues to break away and turn heads about how he talks about the focus of the catholic church. in his first extended published interview, he said the church has become obsessed with preaching about gays, abortion and contraception and people want pastors, not clergy acting like government officials. ann thompson has the story. >> pope for instancis preached loudest with gestures, and

millions in rio with his first overseas trips. his words spell out his vision of the catholic church in a frank interview published in the jesuit magazine, america. we cannot insist on only issues of related to abortion, gay marriage and the use of contraceptions. we must not be obsessed with these issues or the moral edifice of this church is likely to fall like a house of cards. >> it's a change in tone and certainly a change in approach. we never had a pope talk to the world like this. it's a remarkable thing. >> this is focused on peace with a prayer vigil for syria. highlighting the immigrants. now they were a denomination that is the second largest religious group behind practicing catholics and urging the clergy to seek out those who left and listened to the reasons

why. this interview follows his press conference in july on the flight. he said who am i to judge when asked about a gay priest. speaking about all gays, the pope said when god looks at a gay person, does he endorse the existence of this person with love or reject and condemn this person. we must always consider the person. >>a i lot of catholics still go, and feel excluded. this message has given an opportunity for them to feel more welcome. >> despite the new openness, few expect radical change in this 2,000-year-old institution. >> he is not saying there is going to be a reversal, but it is a shift in emphasis that a lot of american catholics are welcoming. >> that was ann thompson reporting and eugene robinson, the shift in emphasis or however you want to describe it i feel will change the direction of the

catholic church. >> there was a difference in tone that will be welcome by a lot of catholics. the reverend, how long will it take it to filter down through the clergy? the clergy is so conservative having been shaped by benedict and his predecessor to essentially talk about this stuff and will they get the message? >> it's a wonderful question. has the pope made in political terms, the most liberal kinds of interpretation of the faith and it's unacceptable in a way that makes you part of the main sdpreem quite small minority.

it's emphasis to the radicalism of the gospel. you love one another as you love yourself. if you read the interview closely, you see that the pope is making a deeply primitive christian case for the radicalism of love. as the primary reaction to the human condition as opposed to a more dogmatic interpretation and set of laws about the behavior of the people. i think that's the really remarkable shift. >> i don't know how much this is about theology and how much interpretations can be different as much as it is about an emphasis. if all the catholic church in america is focused on or the battles with politicians or pop culture over abortion and over gay marriage and over all these

other issues, you will drive people from the pews. again, i don't think this pope is safe. we are going to radically change our position on abortion. he is just saying we will focus on what jesus focused on. >> acceptance, forgiveness. >> and not bureaucrats. >> absolutely. to a couple of really disturbing stories to get to. there is more gun violence in chicago overnight where a shooting at a local park injured 13 people including a young child. ten adults and two teenagers and a 3-year-old boy. they were all shot at a basketball court in the city's southside. all victims were taken to a local hospital. three are in critical condition including the child. one person died. >> it's the deal. it's so out of control. >> what is the deal?

>> no arrests at this point. we are going to have to take a much closer look at this and -- >> listen, let me just throw it out there. people in those neighborhoods in chicago, there a lot of them. a lot of law-abiding citizens that have a version of stop and frisk that you can import? while there a lot of white liberals in the suburbs that are being self righteous and trying to score brownie points with liberals at cocktail parties, there a lot of people who are the ones who are suffering. >> in chicago -- >> no, no, no. >> stop and frisk done well. >>. >> it's so much different than new york's policies. are they not?

>> if you bring up stop and frisk, just so you know, the ruling and the white liberals in the suburbs who studied this the way you describe them, stop and frisk is a good policy. >> people are dying every night in inner cities. >> you are not going to blame them. >> i hope it makes everybody if they are criminal studies seminars across the north eastern universities feel better about themselves. >> the stop and frisk laws that they stop and frisk over here. they didn't do it there too. >> they did it where the crime was. >> they did it where the crime was. >> you look for it. >> no, no. that is not the case. if you live in new york city or if you are a cop in new york city or if you are responsible for keeping people alive in new york city, you know there two

places in new york city where the preponderance of murders occur. one is in the south bronx and one is in parts of the south bronx and one is in brooklyn. by the way, don't scream at me. these are numbers. look at the map of murders. these are numbers. >> later in the day the house will vote on a stop gap spending bill to fund the government beyond the september 30th deadline and also defund the president's signature piece of legislation, the affordable care act. the bill which has no chance of surviving in the senate has sparked a feud between the tea party and the establishment of the republican party. senators ted and mike lee led the defund obama care movement. >> in the 30-second commercial that you love jesus and apple pie, you will vote to defund obama care and they stand there

with a flag behind them. we can defund obama care. 30-second ads nonstop. then they say give us money and we would love to have your name for mailing list for future presidential campaigns. if you don't help us, then you are a surrender monkey. now i guess they are saying that this was never possible after all. >> no. >> scott walker, tom coburn, and myself. and a lot of other good conservatives have been saying for a long time. >> they were saying that? >> they get the money and they ran the 30-second ads and they got the mailing list and they got the entire house republican caucus angry at them. >> aren't they being the surrender monkeys if they say that? >> i'm sure ted cruz would tell

you it's only other people that don't shut down the government to defund obama care. he is not for some reason. >> okay. >> i love what bob corker said. bob corker said i may not have gone to harvard, but i can camp. ted cruz went to harvard. >> the backlash. >> wait a second. the ivy league doesn't teach math. how can a poor country boy like myself or bob corker, a poor country guy like us from tennessee from the foothills know how to count to 51, but a harvard and princeton guy didn't? don't they teach math at harvard anymore? >> you can choose to take it. maybe he elected for it. the backlash from their own

party was so trong is they reversed course and now the fact that funding is off the table for now. >> shutdowns are bad. it's not worth causing a shut down over. as soon as the law passes it, it will be in harry reid's court. he may be able to hold his 54 democrats. >> colleagues in the house have been outraged. staffers are calling the senator from texas an amateur saying nancy pelosi is more well-liked. senators mike lee and ted cruz are like kids in high school who yell fight, fight, but never fought in their life. they refuse to fight and are waving the white flag of surrender. they had this morning bit for cruz. should he attempt to repeal

obama care, fail. >> if anything good coming from all of this, when they fail in the senate, they may be finding republicans who ended their influence. we as house republicans should stop leading ted cruz set our ajepda. if he can do this, fine. if he can't, he should keep quiet and we should not listen to him. >> the creepy ads you were talking about encouraging people to opt out of health care exchanges being set up. the group generation opportunity said they are spending $750,000 on the ads and going to the music festivals and others about alternatives to obama care. >> let's have a look.

>> it was a little early in the morning. what the heck? >> let's go back. >> usually in civil war. >> you know what that was. >> we are trying to move on. >> i don't know if i can. >> i don't know that civil war and the gop works. we love to talk about a civil war in the gop. this seems to be ted and marco rubio and mike lee against the world. that's not set in a david versus goliath with a pickets charge. >> yeah, i think that's right. you look at the last month or so. washington at large has not come out in a particularly warm and

effective light on effect side. that is reflected in the polling so that the president is reflected that the congress's approval rating is below zero. i think there is -- the political paint ball that continues to go on. people are realizing that the republicans in particular at this hour are thes who seem to be more interested in scoring points than solving problems. the real economy is not where it needs to be. >> coming up, the editor in chief of the magazine that scored the interview with pope francis. first, chuck schumer is standing by in the green room and we imagine he has something to say about the republicans who want to shut down the government and are now surrender monkeys. who came up with that word? it's woerd. here's bill. >> the last summer weekend forecast. in colorado with this horrible

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>> it's time for american families the same way obama has given giant corporations. the constitution gives congress the power of the purse and we need congress to stand up and defund obama care now.

>> wait a minute. i'm confused. >> now? he said it would be the election? >> that's the same. >> he has the accent. >> different guys. >> we spent a common era. >> they are now balking at that ad. he really needs it. it was the push to repeal obama care. >> why would he surrender after the house that passed something. why can't he do this? >> he did the ad to make money and get money for his database. >> what politician would do this? >> senator chuck schumer from

new york. >> i'm not going to say a thing. keep talking. >> we will talk about a lot of different things. first of all a possible showdown again of the debt ceiling and the budget. how is that going to shake out? >> at the end of the day, they will blink. the bottom line is when the public is so overwhelmingly against an action and you look at the body language of speaker boehner and eric kantor, they know it's wrong. all the republican leadership knows they are doing this as a disaster and they are not strong enough to resist the tea party. >> we had shawn duffy on. he has been plasting away not at conservative ted cruz, but cynical ted cruz.

>> this is a great issue for them to raise money and be the leader and come out as the tea party guy or president. he knows it's a disaster. he took this hot potato that he created. he heated up the potato and threw it over the house. he said not me. you guys do it. that got them furious, as it should. when there is disunity as amongst republicans, there was among democrats two years ago, you almost always lose. >> there was unity and one week ago regarding the president's foreign policy. are you concerned and a long time supporter of israel. >> yes. >>. >> you concerned with assad and putin have been in power in a way that can only make the leaders of iran feel more confident? >> it's interesting on the putin side. i don't trust putin.

what he did with snowden was despicable and cheap. he wants to be a world leader and as much as he fears the u.s., he has rebels and chechnyan rebels. he will move to get rid of the weapons. here's the thing that is just breaking. the sanctions are really working in iran. from the people i talked to, the iranians are serious about talks. >> do they believe that? >> look, the israelis are skeptical as they should be. their lives should be. i think they feel and everyone feels there is time and everyone feels that there is a chance this will work. they are hurting, hurting, hurting. the one thing we cannot do is let up on the sanctions while the talks go on.

keep squeezing and you could paint a scenario where syria is gone with the chemical weapons and they are gone with the nuclear weapons. that would be good for the president and the united states of america. >> i assume you supported intervention in kosovo and bosnia. over 100,000 syrians have died. the strange position made him our partner. what do you say to syrians who saw us intervene when it was europeans that were there. >> here's the danger. it's a very difficult situation. >> kosovo laid out a clear case. the danger here is that so much of the opposition, al qaeda is gaining strength. he saw a militant group took over one of the border crossings. >> that wasn't the case a couple of years ago.

we had a middle class and worked with the world community then. >> i think doing more to help the rebels would have made sense. the rebels now were not the rebels then. the worst thing that can happen from israel and the american point of view is an independent autonomous region controlled by al qaeda. we are back to afghanistan. >> but the agreement on chemical weapons aside that could be really important, that whole thing drives me nuts and is a great thing if those go away. syria could fracture into afghanistan essentially. the car could spill over the border. do you have a vision for how to address that? >>. >> no, i have sympathy for the president at this point in time. there is no good strategic vision because the rebels are so fractured and they are gaining the most. the one person who has an

interest and doing the right thing for the wrong reasons. >> putin. >> he has the same interest as we do. he does not want an independent militant islamic state that could hurt us. >> this has to be the best possible out come. no gapes and it could happen. they have putin op sets. in the "washington post," right next to that. >> the election, did the supreme leader want that to happen?

the answer was interesting. in the past he would have prevented them from being elected. this time realizing the trouble his regime is in because of the sanctions. he let it happen. he didn't encourage it and fix it, but he let it happen. >> he let him go. >> that is the question. you don't know because again we are dealing with people here that it's hard to figure out what they do. >> taking you back to the budget, we have a shut down and the debt ceiling. what's the most likely out come of how they get settled before the end of the year? >> one big question is going to be the senate republicans. if the house throws them this hot potato, they have one of two choices. let us strip them. they won't. or block it. then they are responsible for shutting down the government. thing that happened in the last

week or two with where the republicans lost ground is all this fighting. that has weakened them with the public and strengthened us. if the government should shut down, people know who is to blame as opposed to it's both sides. the real thing that people have not paid attention to is they are backing themselves into a corner. even if it works out the way it is supposed to, we send it back to the house and somehow the government goes forward. we are all saying the debt ceiling. it's a bigger load for them to carry than shutting down the government. you could have the collapse of the economy. the stock market when they came close to it last time went down 2,000 points. the whole world is watching. ultimately here's what i think. i think the republican leadership is hoping that when we get right up to the debt ceiling, right up to the line, there is such pressure on mainstream republicans that they

stand up and within the house and congress don't let the 60 tea party people dictate. -it is a disaster. >> are the yankees going to make the playoffs? >> they don't have a heart, this team. >> you gotta have heart. >> i hate them. they drafted people who really cared. >> they cared. >> they have fried chicken and drink bore in the dugout. >> you got it and they grow weird beards. >> they grow strange beards against the yankees. >> the giants going to win before november? >> they will win. i got to have faith in somebody. >> good luck with that. >> i'm going toens doers him this morning. >> this morning. >> we are going to talk about the pro growth progressives. >> i love that interview. >> i didn't endorse them.

i didn't endorse in the primary. i think he had a vision and he tapped on to the same thing. none of this would happen if middle class incomes were not declining. the idea that you should focus on it at the national and local level is a winner. whoever can capture that will win. >> from tepid to all in. endorsing bill deblasio. coming up, it's time for the church to change its ways when it comes to abortion and gay marriage. the eye-opening interview, next. thank you orville and wilbur... ...amelia... neil and buzz: for teaching us that you can't create the future...

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>> 35 past the hour. the magazine features their groundbreaking interview pope francis. also with us, managing director of the yale center for faith and culture. >> that's a big title, skip. >> it is. >> a lot better than pastor. >> that's a pretty big thing. >> good moves here. >> this is amazing. how did this come about?

>> this interview. >> we were sitting in my office and one of my colleagues said why don't we try to interview the pope? it happened like that. it would have been unprecedented and unlikely, but we lived through weeks of the events. so he said let's give it a shot. we went into collaboration with the jesuit colleagues and composed the questions. they sent somebody over to ask the questions. we got the transcript. >> simple as that. >> the media is doing what the media does. misinterpreting. this means a radical change with abortion and talking about the balance. isn't he? we don't just leave with these social issues. >> they are talking about priorities. what is most important is the

central truth of our faith which is we are created and redeemed in love. everything makes sense of that relationship. >> and skip, the congregational church and what you are doing at yale now, you had an obsession with bringing kids into the church. knowing that that's what the future of the church depended on, you heard you talking and you are doing it now at yale. how important is it for the catholic or any church to understand that they can't just obsess on two or three divicive issues. it's driving kids away. >> the kids are so far ahead of us on these issues. sometimes i don't understand why we are so caught up in the issues. in their world they experience enough of adolescence and

condemn nation and they do it with one another. they want to experience unconditional acceptance and love. they want a counter culture something other than this competition. this is as important. >> john, this is not exactly radical theology. this is what is not just words, but with his life. whether it was with the woman at the well. he said where are your accusers now? jesus didn't leave them judgment. this pope is not leaving judgment. >> for does seem to me to be a return to and emphasis on the central gospel message and primitive christianity and

struck by his use of the term. is this david suitor, is this someone elected and shaped by john paul ii and benedict who has now surprised those who elected him? >> i think they knew what they were getting. first of all, they knew he was a jesuit. it's tough to know what a jesuit -- he has the freedom that is characteristic of a nation's spirituality. there is going to be an unpredictable element and the man really does believe in the simple teachings of the church. i'm a son of the church and i

sent to what the church teaches. he is reordering and for instance with gay and lesbian people, the modern church caught that gaya and lesbian people have to respect and that's a key aspect of our teaching. he said that's not only an aspect, but the most important part of our teaching. >> it starts with him. >> yes. >> lock at the exchange he had with antonio who did the interview. i asked pope francis who is jorge mario ber goalio. he stares at me in silence. he nods and relies i don't know what might be the most fitting description. i am a sinner and this is the most accurate description. i am a sinner. >> and christians believe we are

all sinners except for the fact that we're saved by grace. the fact that this is a radical development in any church is pretty surprising. >> i think it's a reboot that reflects a pastor's heart and a fellow who understands these issues in the context of the woman who is sitting before him and broken and suffering. first you have to heal the wounds and then warm the heart and maybe you get to the teaching and the corrective and you made the point that it's institutional and political. it's not just the pastor's heard, but the wise leader. this is an aircraft carrier with 1.2 billion people. he's not so much hauling on the wheel as rebooting the software and if he changes the process, that will suddenly affect the turn. >> absolutely. father, thank you very much. the interview -- >> congratulations.

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day it is in general. we have a ton of ipos hitting the floor and officials from around lunchtime. geopolitical events around the german elections and the elections next week and politics on washington that we are trying to keep an eye on as well. any failure to raise the debt ceiling would be pretty damn dumb. amid all of that, we have apple's iphone 5 s hitting stores. it's interesting they come in silver and gold. this is the high end version with the fingerprint scanner that you can program your cat to use as well. >> that's important. >> very important. >> i want it to work. >> mika is skeptical. really quick question. the market's so-called priced in move by the fed that never happens. that was a woops. are they pricing in a move in terms of government shut down? >> if that does start to lock

likely, most people think they will strike an 11th hour deal. any stop to government spending will be an immediate hit. the shares are under pressure this morning. with regard to expectations for the iphone 5, they are looking for apple to sell around 6 million units. >> how much? anyone know? >> as much as $650. >> cnbc's kelly evans, thank you. some people have to have everything new. right when it comes out. like now. >> it's like materialistic america. everyone has to have the newest thing. >> you are not a jesuit. s is all about getting things to work together. the timing, the actions, the reactions. everything has to synch up. my expenses are no different. receiptmatch on the business gold rewards card

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health issues, the incident never tripped alarm bills. >> will we continue to give these people lower security clearances because they are defense contractors and subcontractors? the results are disaster house. >> we have the security clearance and clearly a mentally ill person with access to guns. that's a lethal combination. >> search and rescue is hampered by rain that won't stop. >> five confirmed fatalities and 16 inches of rain. they are calling this a 1 in 1,000 year flood event. >> this is supposed to be the landmark legislation for barack obama. you will be able to add 30 million people or so. it will be a free lunch. everything good would happen from this.

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