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>> it represents the seriousness and the breadth of the challenge that we face with completely reckless terrorists. >> now, this morning we've been seeing thick, black smoke coming from the mall. kenya's interior minister says two islamic extremists are now dead as a result of what he describes as the government's activities this morning. he also believes that there are just a few hostages left. nbc rahiq is live on the phone. what are you seeing and hearing now? >> reporter: chris, i'm seeing thick, black smoke rising, bill owing from the vast shopping mall. it has for the last few hours. it began with a sustained period of gunfire, raps an exchange of gunfire in there and then the

smoke started billowing. people were moved from their homes in the street just right next to the shopping mall and there was a great deal of panic, a great deal of confusion. for the last 24 hours or so, the kenyan authorities have been talking about bringing an end to the standoff. they said that they might be able to do that last night, they were saying that, and then they talked about the possibility of, quote, neutralizing the terrorists but they have had to admit today that there are some parts of the shopping mall that are still not under their control. but from what we can hear outside the mall, it does appear now that this tense standoff which has gone on since saturday is now moving into a brand new phase, chris. >> rohit, who i know will stay on the scene and continue to update us. thank you. let me bring in our company now. evan coleman, former ambassador mark ginsburg and washington

post columnist and senior fellow at the brookings institution, e.j. dion. gentlemen, good morning. >> good morning. >> evan, let's first start with this possibility that americans may be involved here. el shabaab claimed some are were somali americans. in fact they were naming where they were from. what can we say about this possibility? >> is it a possibility or is it real. there's a twitter account that appeared to be a replacement account. twitter invalidated their own account when they started claiming they were going to kill hostages. is it a real account, a copy cat, people on the internet who have nothing to do with them and they issued a long list of names. supposedly of people who participated in this. people from the u.s., the united kingdom, sweden, all over the place. >> so the fbi should be able to track these down fairly easily, don't you think? >> the question is do these people even exist. where are they, who are they, is there a possibility that they are nairobi, is there a

possibility they are connected to this. but we have to be really careful because it really is not clear this is a legitimate account, legitimate information. until the fbi can pursue some of these folks and figure out if they actually exist, i would be very careful putting too much stock into that. >> ambassador we know they have claimed responsibility. how closely are they aligned to al qaeda. >> a strong franchise of al qaeda in east africa. they had largely taken control of somalia until they were repulsed after a brutal civil war over the last few years from the capital of mowigadishu and kenyan troops have been directly involved in trying to repulse them out of somalia and have largely succeeded. in somalia itself there is a new government, a transitory government and al shabaab has

been on the run. they gained support from al qaeda in yemen, as evan would know, and possibly from the al qaeda elements that attacked in mali as well as north africa. so they are largely in control and al shabaab has tried to use somalia as a base for operations to support al qaeda in yemen as well. >> i was looking at the numbers. we're looking at just hundreds so how does a group of this size, evan, have this kind of impact? >> keep in mind this is a large group per se because it's not just a jihadi group, they're waging a civil war inside somalia. it's not just a couple hundred guys, it's several thousand guys, maybe more. they control a vast swath even with the kenyan army occupation. they have quite a bit of influence. they have quite a bit of foreign fighters as well. i think that's one of the elements that we've been most concerned about is the fact that foreign fighters who align themselves with al qaeda, even people from here in the united states, have gone there to join

them not just to fight in a liberation battle against the kenyans but with the idea of practicing violent jihad and striebing back here at the united states. recently this group released a video of a bunch of guys from minneapolis who went over there to join them and fight with them. >> let me play for you what congressman peter king had to say. >> really in a well coordinated, well planned, horrific massacre, they attacked at the busiest time of the week, the busiest time of the day. they knew what they were doing, they took the hostages so this is very similar to mumbai and showing that al qaeda and its affiliates are still extremely powerful and still able to strike terror into the hearts of people. >> e.j., is this a sign that al qaeda is growing stronger or is it just part of a republican assertion that the president was wrong when he said al qaeda is on the run? >> you know, it's kind of depressing that in turns partisan every time. i think the way we should look

at this i think as a paradox, which is sort of the core islamic group. the americans are very active there. the station in nairobi is one of the largest in africa. i think when a group is facing a weakening it lashes out in spectacular ways. my brookings institution colleague, i thought, put it well in "the new york times." she said shabaab is more fractured than it's ever been but also more radicalized which is why they are pursuing these attacks. in terms of the american connection, we have a vast somalian community. these are very hard-working immigrant folks. it is very possible that there is a very, very, very tiny proportion of them who have been

attracted to some of these radical movements. it's not unknown in immigrant history in the united states. and we will be trying to figure out what their involvement was. i think evan was right to caution us that we shouldn't jump to any conclusions about that. >> and yet there is concern about what this means clearly for the united states. let me play just this morning peter king was also on "the daily rundown" with chuck todd and here's what he said. well, basically he talked about the concern and the united states. he talked about whether or not there is a threat posed here. ambassador, how concerned should we be? what he could about as americans -- do we have that now? okay. let's play that sound from peter king. >> going back to 2007, 2008, there's been between 40 and 50 americans that we know of that have left the minneapolis area to go to somalia to be trained by al shabaab. about 15 of them have been killed. the other 25 we're not certain

if they're still over there or come back or what they're doing. >> ambassador, how worried should we be about that? >> well, we should be. after all, al shabaab is fairly incubated in a failed state of somalia. they have direct contacts to the global jihadi network. it's not the first time or the last time that we'll see islamist immigrants in the united states that are self radicalized. i agree with congressman king. i'm sure evan and e.j. would say the same thing. they have heard reports of these small numbers of potential somalis, who have made their way back to support al shabaab, a a the fact of the matter is this is a global challenge for the united states. every time we've seen attacks that may have been generated through the united states, it's usually include self radicalization. whether they're connected to al qaeda in yemen or al qaeda in north africa or now in syria, we

have to be very worried about the transitory nature of self radicalization, what it means. because if they're not going to somalia, they're probably going to syria right now. >> how much does this complicate the president's agenda as he heads to the united nations this week. obviously, e.j., the general assembly meeting and syria and iran were at the top of that agenda but clearly we have this situation in kenya now as well. >> first of all, on congressman king, i'm sure those numbers are perfectly plausible. i think the question is to be very careful that we act against the small terrorist groups and not cast a much wider net that sort of implicates people who aren't implicated at all. but this actually, as the president goes there, he is going to be talking about terrorism. that's part of what he's done. and the very fact that over a long period of time we have made significant progress against terrorism, driven terrorists out

of some places, somalia, a place, by the way, where we americans have a very tragic history going back to the clinton years is a place where the united states government in alliance with kenya and other countries has been trying to fight terrorists. so expect this will enter into what the president says. it's a reminder that even as we have an opening to iran for negotiations, which is a very big deal, we still have this unfinished business going all the way back to the '90s. >> e.j. dion, ambassador, thank you for being here this morning. let me bring in a member of the house foreign affairs committee. congressman, good morning. >> good morning. >> what are your concerns as you watch what's unfolding now in kenya? >> well, i mean this is obviously a horrific massacre as congressman king described it. 68 or 69 people are dead and more than 170 people are injured. i think we have to be reminded

and this certainly causes us to be reminded that this is a global responsibility. this war on terror is complicated and worldwide and something we have to be vigilant about. while we've made some progress with the core leadership of al qaeda, with some of the infrastructure and done significant damage, we have places like al shabaab in yemen and al qaeda in the arabian peninsula which are the sort of factions or connections to al qaeda which still are dangerous and serious and this is an ongoing responsibility. so i think it will cause us to kind of recalibrate some of our work, but to recognize that this is an ongoing global responsibility, this fight against terror. >> but dangerous internally as well as externally, to peter king's point? if there are members of al shabaab who have trained and who have returned to the united states, how worried should we be? >> no, i think there is obviously reason to be very concerned about this kind of terrorist attack, and

particularly any connection with somali americans or any other americans. we have to be very, very vigilant and recognize that this is a worldwide danger. and we have a group of very committed individuals in our intelligence community, in our law enforcement community, our defense officials that are working with our partners around the world to combat terrorism, to identify it and retaliate against it and eliminate or mitigate the danger to americans all across the globe. but this is difficult work, it's ongoing. we should be really vigilant. i think this attack was obviously well planned. was very substantial. and i think any connection to americans we have to be particularly careful about and investigate thoroughly and be sure that we remain very, very vigilant in this very difficult fight against terror all over the world. >> congressman, i'm going to ask you to stay with us. coming up after the break we're going to talk more about how the clock is ticking, just a week left to hammer out a deal to avoid a government shutdown.

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it's not working. >> rhode island congressman david cicillini back with us. i'm sure that you know the president called speaker boehner over the weekend and said, look, i'm not negotiating over raising the debt ceiling. what do you think is going to happen here? what are the odds that there's a government shutdown? >> well, i mean i'm hoping at the very end that my colleagues on the other side of the aisle in the house will come to their census and realize we've got to keep the government open. but there's a small faction within the republican caucus in the house led boy the tea party that has made it clear they are prepared to shut down the government unless they get 100% of what they want, which is the defunding of obama care. and there's a civil war going on between these two factions in the republican party. and it's hard to know kind of who's going to win that fight. but the reality is we have to keep the government open. we've got to fund the government. the american people will watch this fight and a group of folks who are unwilling to compromise, to find common ground to keep our government operating. they're working hard to be sure that we go back to the old

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union groups, and individuals can't get a delay on this? i don't think that sounds reasonable to the american people. >> is a delay reasonable, congressman? >> look, i don't think a delay is reasonable. i think there's been plenty of opportunity to figure out ways we can improve and strengthen health care reform. instead of spending the last tloe years focusing on how is this being implemented, how can it best serve the american people and american families, we've had 44, 45 efforts to complete the gut the bill. we have to make sure 30 million americans get coverage, young people stay on their parents' plan, that we eliminate discrimination based on pre-existi pre-existing conditions, we end lifetime caps on plans so there's lots of good stuff in this that i think will improve and ultimately reduce the cost of health care and that's what we should be working on. >> and yet in spite of the fact it's the law of the land and in spite of the fact that all these attempts to repeal obama care

have failed, millions of dollars are being spent, actually now on both sides. there's kind of an ad war going on over obama care. i don't know if you're familiar with this one. this ad funded in part by the koch brothers. let me play it. >> okay. let's have a look. >> there's also a scary and some would say offensive version of that ad on the male side of it and they're really targeting young people about obama care. has the other side just messagesed better, the fact that we're still talking about this now? >> look, i think we're going to continue to have a debate about health care reform. this is a complicated transformation of our whole health care system. we ought to continue to have

that debate. what we should not do is allow a small group of the republican caucus to threaten to shut down the government which would be very harmful to many, many americans in the delivery of basic services or threaten the default of the united states of the full faith and credit of our country. we ought to pay our bills on time. we ought to respect and honor the full faith and credit of the united states. we ought to keep the government running and have all the debates that the republicans want to have about health care and ways to improve it, ways to strengthen it, but ought not do it in a way that damages our economy, that threatens the shutdown of our government or threatens the default of our credit. >> congressman david cicillini, good to talk with you today. thank you. >> thanks. good to talk to you. big question out there, life in prison or death? this morning lawyers will discuss whether to pursue the death penalty for boston marathon bombing suspect dzhokhar tsarnaev. massachusetts is one of 18 states that bans the death penalty so if the state would decide to pursue death, they

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we're continuing to follow the breaking news. these are live pictures from my roby -- nairobi, kenya. armored vehicles are moving in and hostages are believed to be inside the shopping mall. we're also getting confirmation that hostages inside are live tweeting their experience about where they're hiding, about those who did not survive and whether it's safe to try to escape so we are keeping a close eye on that continuing three-day-old situation there. to politics now where we're hearing from hillary clinton in her first interview since leaving the state department. she's got a huge smile on the cover of "new york" magazine and

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if gun control lengislation is going in where, no one told president obama who is urging gun control advocates and victims' families not to give up. >> alongside the anguish of these american families, alongside the accumulated outrage so many of us feel, sometimes i fear there's a creeping resignation that these tragedies are just somehow the way it is. that this is somehow the new normal. we can't accept this.

>> the president spoke yesterday at a memorial for the 12 people gunned down a week ago at the washington navy yard. it was his third speech in a little over a year as consoler in chief. but the nra has already convinced many lawmakers that more gun laws won't stop the violence. >> the whole country, david, knows the problem is there weren't enough good guys with guns. when the good guys with guns got there, it stopped. what really happened here, the mental health situation of the country is in complete breakdown. >> let's bring in republican pollster kristen anderson and steve mcman who is co-founder of purple strategies. good to see both of you. good morning. >> good morning. >> look, steve, i don't think there's appetite in congress at that take up serious gun legislation. even joe manchin who was so brave after newtown said he's not going to push for a debate unless he see an increase in support for the effort. so is it worth it for the

president to spend time and any political capital on this? >> i think you're absolutely right to the nra has politicians in washington and many state legislatures completely spooked. but wayne lapierre talked about mental health. i think he ought to perhaps have, i think, a little bit more about that himself. if he's suggesting that there weren't guns in the navy yard when this gunman walked in and shot 13 people, he's crazy. there were guns everywhere. and this person walked in with an assault weapon and was able to get off enough rounds to kill 12 people instantly, or nearly instantly. everybody with the guns stood around and watched or apparently were up able to stop him. the guns were present. it was a navy facility. it's ridiculous. >> so, kristen, if congress isn't going to act on a ban on assault weapons, and it doesn't sound like they're going to what about mental health. they are pushing a bill to help recognize the signs of mental

illness. will that go in where? >> i think that has a lot more potential for going somewhere. if you look at the situation that unfortunately happened a week ago, the weapon that was used was a 12-gauge shotgun, something that was relatively easy to purchase, precisely because it's the kind of gun that people do use for recreation. it's unlikely that there will be lots of restrictions on it. what's scary is if you look in the man's past, there were many times that he had run-ins with law enforcement, where he had heard voices, and yet nothing could be done because a court hadn't ordered something or because he had not been charged, only arrested. so i think you're going to see a lot of bipartisan conversations around -- >> conversation or action? >> i think we may see action. but the other challenge is congress has so much on its plate. you've got an immigration bill that's kind of stalled. now attention is being put on the debt ceiling and the continuing resolution to fund the government. there's so many things that congress needs to deal with. i do think that it's that sort of -- the air traffic control nature of what can congress have

the bandwidth to take up that may be one of the big factors why we wouldn't see action immediately on this issue. >> steve, you brought this up, states, because when legislation failed on a federal level after newtown, gun control advocates said they would take the fight state by state. but "the new york times" pointed out that gun rights advocates have pushed new laws in about half the states to relax restrictions on concealed carry laws. >> right. >> what's happening? >> some of the blue states and some of the people who frankly are running for president that the nra should fear like andrew cuomo and martin o'malley, i don't know if they'll run if hillary runs, but they were the people who took on the nra and signed tough gun laws in their states. there are states that have relaxed gun restrictions and enabled people to carry concealed weapons, but i don't think that's the problem here, that democrats are going after. people carrying concealed weapons with licenses is not an issue. the issue here is the easy access that people who are mentally unstable have to guns, period. and the easy access that people have to assault weapons and

gazines that carry 30 or more rounds that can fire off rounds very, very quickly before the good guys with the guns that wayne lapierre locks to talk about, can get there and do anything. you saw it in connecticut, you saw it in aurora. you saw a nut with a gun last week in the navy yard where there were a lot of guns around and 12 people still got killed. if congress doesn't have the bandwidth to take this on, frankly they should all be thrown out and replaced with a congress that does. senseless slaughter in this country should not be occurring on a regular basis. it's not the new normal. >> what is the message to the american people? you can argue about what kind of gun was used at individual shootings, but what's the message to the american people when 90% of them say background checks are a good idea and congress says too bad? >> so it's -- there's a big difference between an issue where 90% of americans say they agree with something and an issue that has real political salience. is this an issue on which voters are making their decision

between candidate a and candidate b. unfortunately for folks who are gun control advocates, folks that are on their side of the debate, for most it tends to be a relatively low salience issue, whereas those who do favor more expanded gun rights who oppose gun control it's a much more higher salience issue for them. they tend to be gun owners themselves. >> so the problem is not congress, it's the american people? >> i don't think it's a problem with the american people, i'm explaining the political dynamic and the message when congress doesn't take up legislation and don't pass it despite large majorities of americans agreeing with it, it's not necessarily a disregard for how americans are voting because when americans are going to the ballot box, you see, for instance, blue state democrats who voted against it because they know that voters in their state feel a little bit differently. >> kristin, steve, a conversation we will continue. thank you both. >> thanks. >> thank you. checking the news feeds this morning, vice president joe biden traveling to see the

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>> in the beginning, it was just sort of speeding and a kind of numbness and going from one thing to the next thing to the next thing. i will tell you when i realized it, i thought, all right, if i don't calm down, i'm going to be in serious trouble. >> oprah says she became overwhelmed while shooting the film "the butler" and also trying to keep her struggling cable network afloat. the emotional efif knee came to her when she was interviewing jason russell about his own breakdown last year. a record-setting weekend for apple. cnbc's kayla tausche is here with what's moving your money. kayla, i guess the reports of the demise of apple are greatly exaggerated. sales of iphone 5s and 5c shattered what was already high expectations. >> reporter: they were there are high expectations, chris, and those long lines outside the apple stores that many of us saw paid off for the company in a big way. it sold a record nine million new iphones in just three days.

that's an 80% jump from its last record of five million phones when it launched the iphone 5 last year. this weekend there were two new models unveiled. you had the cheaper color 5c as well as an upgrade to the existing iphone, which is called the 5s. while apple doesn't break out the numbers by model, it's expected the 5c saw a lot of traction in the emerging markets like china. apple stock is up sharply this morning. if that's not enough, chris, more than 200 million existing downloads downloaded the new operating system ios 7 that comes with the newly launched itunes radio. 200 million is already more users than its rival pandora has built in six years. >> oh, my gosh, that's amazing. at the same time, another big company, disney, has made a big announcement. cutting in line for certain visitors is going to stop. >> reporter: many guests were appalled to read a report in the why the new york post" that rich families would hire disabled tour guides that would get them a fast track to the front of the

line. disney has denied that this practice was happen, but it wanted to change the policy anyway. so starting october 9th the policy will go. disabled guest must go to the ride, be assigned a designated time and come back at that time. it's not a perfect solution but a lot of guests say at least it's moving in the right direction. we don't have a lot of details about the program that are available but we expect to learn more in the coming weeks before it's rolled out. no doubt disney hopes this will pacify the many guests that were appalled that this could even be possible to happen at these theme parks, chris. >> thanks, kayla. let's not kid ourselves about award shows like the emmys. insiders care mostly about the awards. for most of the rest of us, it's about fashion. so here are my picks for best dressed. julia louis dreyfuss, gorgeous, stunner. allison janney classic but

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♪ from actors to athletes, a whole lot of famous faces are getting behind one issue that can be tough to talk about, domestic violence. but it's a problem that touches 60% of americans according to one new study and it's about to be front and center. >> well, she was drunk. >> boys will be boys. >> i'm sure they'll work it out. >> he warned her. >> she was asking for it. >> why doesn't she just leave? >> it's time to end domestic violence and sexual assault once and for all. >> joining me now is actor peter herman, an advocate and participant in the no more campaign. it's good to see you. thank you for coming in. >> thank you for having me in, for having us. >> i know that your wife, mariska hargitay directed the psa. obviously we can see all the famous faces that are there, 40 celebrities.

what is it about this issue of domestic violence that made you want to speak out? >> you know, it's interesting. at the shoot it was incredible to watch this array of people, this sort of cavalry come forward to talk about it. and mainly i come to it as a man, i come to it as a father and i think i just come to it as a human being. so i look at our willingness and our unwillingness to talk about it and how little we talk about it and the conversation that we're handing off to our kids. so i don't want to give them the burden of starting the conversation. they might have to perfect it, they might have to deepen it, but by god, i don't want them to have to start it. >> in fact one of the things that this new study found is that most parents don't ever talk to their kids about domestic violence. >> or sexual assault. so -- >> is that part of what you're trying to encourage here with this program? >> absolutely. and i think there's always a question at what age to you talk to a kid. the answer to that is you have

to know your kid, you have to know what your kid is ready for. and the interesting is also is when we think about parents talking to kids about domestic violence or about sexual assault, we usually think about mothers talking to daughters, right? prepare yourself this way, don't do this, protect yourself this way. but we have to have the fathers talking to their sons saying things like intoxication is not an indication to intercourse or no matter how a woman dresses or how she dances or how she speaks, that is not an invitation to sexually abuse her. >> you know, it's amazing that we don't talk about it given the numbers in this study. this is from the avon foundation. one in three women say they have been the victims of domestic violence. although 70% of survivors report telling someone about it, more than half of that group says no one helped them. that number to me was unbelievable, and i know that members of your group were at an event with vice president biden, attorney general eric holder. what would you like to see washington do about this, or is this really just about talking

about it and getting people to take action on their own? >> you know, the interesting thing about no more, it's from the top down and the bottom up. so the fact that the conversation is happening at governmental levels and at levels of an individual advocate, somewhere where they are struggling to find attention that they can point to the television, pointing to a psa and say that's what i do, that's the movement that i'm part of, that is incredibly encouraging. and the idea, the moment that no more was born was when obama came into the white house, biden was in the white house, he's the author of the 1996 bill that became the violence against women act. and so he is there. obviously the movement says this is the moment. what do we do? and what the movement did is it came together. the movement to end sexual assault and the movement to end domestic violence came together to end the fragmentation, because everybody has to stand out to get funding because there's so little of it.

and the movement comes together to end the shame and the stigma. this incredible victim blaming that looks like all of the things that you hear in the psa. >> peter herman, actor and activist. we will be watching this campaign. didn't luck with it and thank you for coming in. >> and thank you for using this space here to give us this voice. thank you for doing that. >> much appreciated you coming in. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back. come in where? welcome to my mom cave. wow. sit down. you need some campbell's chunky soup before today's big game, new chunky cheeseburger. mmm. i love cheeseburgers. i know you do. when did you get this place? when i negotiated your new contract, it was part of the deal. cool. [ male announcer ] campbell's chunky soup. it fills you up right.

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americans may be sick of what they're seeing in washington but on tv at least entertainment television politics and political intrigue rule. consider last night's emmys, that's claire danes who won for her role as a bipolar cia agent in "homeland." "house of cards" became the first non-tv network show to win an award, best director in a drama. and julia louis-dreyfuss again winning the lead actress in a comedy emmy as a very funny vice

president on "veep" with her faithful assistant by her side. she barely broke from character in her acceptance speech. >> i'd like to thank our -- my family. brad hall and henry hall and charlie hall. my children are here this evening. >> you love them so much. >> and i love them so much. >> joining me now from washington, judy kurtz, columnist for the hill. good to see you, good morning. >> great to see you, chris. >> what is it about politics that's such fodder, both for drama and comedy. >> absolutely. here in d.c. shows are hot, anything about government and washington. the public might not be too thrilled with anyone here in d.c., but apparently emmy voters like us. they really like us. >> yeah, and so many shows. the most obvious ones it seems to me are "scandal," which is about scandal, and "the good

wife" which is about scandal. hollywood loves a good scandal. >> that's right. and entertainment here in d.c. seems to be most successful when the show is either about a den of vipers, a la "house of cards" or a collection of cards, like in "veep." that's how everyone seems to view washington these days. >> i was interested to read that when smt producers of "veep" were asked whether or not they got pushback on this, they said once washington realized that it was all made up, obviously we have not had a female vice president and that it was going to be very broad satire, they were good with it. and julia louis-dreyfuss has even had lunch with joe biden, right? >> yes, joe biden has said he's a fan of "veep." we asked if julia if real-life politicians would ever be invited on the show and she's there's zip, zero, zilch chance of any politicians on the show. they want to keep it a fantasy

world. >> there was a big surprise when jeff daniels won for "the newsroom" but it's largely centered around real life situations and politics of the newsroom but also the politics of jeff daniels as this anchor, that he's a republican. that's been a big theme that's run through this year. >> yeah. this was a bit of a shocker because kevin spacey for "house of cards" was favored for this category so a lot of folks were surprised to see jeff daniels take home the statue for best actor in a drama series. but "the newsroom" is hot these days. also has these undertones of washington so d.c. is a big deal as far as emmy voting goes. >> they say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery but hollywood likes nothing better than a success which is why we have follow-up one and two and three and four and five and six, what are we in fast and furious, something like that. so would you think we'll see more political shows in the future? i don't know how there could be

more. >> you're absolutely right, we're going to see more and more of these. of course the shows didn't win in the big categories, we should note, as far as best drama series, best comedy series, but i do have a theory as to why that may be. there's no category for the horror show that is washington these days. >> maybe that's next. the hill's judy kurtz on the morning after the emmys. i'm sure you were up late. thanks for coming and talking to us. >> that's for having me. >> that's going to wrap up this hour of jansing & co. mar a is up next filling in for thomas roberts. ♪ turn around

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