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we're going to see some revolutionary change and opportunity in this country. congressman cummings, and aqua lynn, thank you for join being us. reverend al sharpton starts right now. how are you? >> great. thank you, ed. and thanks to you for tuning in. i'm live tonight from chicago. tonight's lead, gop crackup. ted cruz's 21 hour anti-obamacare clown show ended today. and then an amazing thing happened on that same senate floor. a clash between the old and the new republican party. the two broke out, courtesy of senator john mccain, who's no friend of president obama's. mccain's message to ted cruz and other radical right-wingers, when it comes to obamacare, get
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over it. >> we've fought as hard as we could in a fair and honest manner, and we lost. and we lost -- one of the reasons is, because we in the minority. the elections have consequences. people spoke. they spoke, much to my dismay, but they spoke. and they reelected the president of the united states. all of us should respect the outcome of the elections which reflects the will of the people. >> they lost. john mccain unloaded on cruz with the truth, the truth that was missing during cruz's overnight circus act where he rambled on about dr. seuss and star wars and nazis, and he spread epic miss truths about obamacare. >> millions of people are asking for accountability, for
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responsibility, for truth from their elected officials. for truth about how obamacare is failing the men and women of america. >> wrong. today an important new report shows for 95% of uninsured americans, obamacare will cost much less than expected. >> the impact for young people right now that obama quare is having right now is absolutely devastating. >> he's wrong. here's a fact. if you're 27 years old, making $25 a year you'll be able to buy insurance for $83 a month, less than many cell phone bills. >> obamacare isn't working. >> wrong. here's another fact. in texas, ted cruz's home state,
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here's what a family of four earning $50,000 will pay for insurance. $57 per month. i'm guessing that's less than the price of ted cruz's famous ostrich-skinned cowboy boots. i'll tell you what's sick, ted cruz's entire act was to strip atway health care from 30 million americans. but it doesn't matter to him. after the circus act, cruz got into a bmw and took off. and then he reported directly to the leader of the republican party, rush limbaugh. going on his radio show for 30 minutes. why? because it's all about him. all about attention. all about how much fox news camera time you can get. but rude awakening for senator cruz. john mccain had it right today. the senate voted unanimously to
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move ahead with its vote today. hey, republicans, the people spoke. you lost. it's over. joining me now are joy reed and abbey huntsman. thank you both for being here tonight. >> thanks, rev. >> an extraordinary moment today, john mccain speaking for a lot of fellow republicans saying we lost today. >> and rev, you're absolutely right. and it's interesting, because john mccain has in his history in politics pandered to the very right wing that he is criticizing. so he has had that in his history. he is the guy who put sarah palin on the ticket. he has the tendency to break out into truthiness once in a while. and i think that he speaks for a loot of republicans that have been frustrated with what sure does look like a lot of showboating by ted cruz without a lot of substance.
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the reality is, this battle was fought from 2009 through 2010. it was a long, ugly debate over whether to pass the affordable care act. there were town halls all over the country in the summer of 2009. a lot of wrangling. and it passed. this fight is old, and it's over, and what republicans fear is that once the affordable care act is actually implemented, they won't be able to get rid of it, because people will like it. >> you know, abbey, the other thing that was interesting was right after krutz finished his speech he immediately went on radio with rush limbaugh, i mean, it was a love fest. listen to this. >> there's a lot of appreciation and a lot of love for what you're doing out there. >> well, rush, thank you so much. thank you for that encouragement. >> senator, are you afraid of me? because brit hume and others at fox news say that you are afraid of me and others on talk radio. >> you know, with all respect, i
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respect you, rush, but listen, i would be surprised if you and i disagree on many issues at all. but the reason is not that there's any fear involved. >> i mean, it would have been rush out there on the senate floor. >> you know, ted cruz is much smarter than people give him credit for. he's not a sarah palin as many people have compared him to. he knows exactly where the money is coming from. and he's sitting there laughing, taking it to the bank or rather the iowa caucuses where he says, i know exactly what i'm doing, and now i'm thinking longer term. that's exactly what he said he would do, by the way, when he ran for senate back in 2012. and he's thinking my longer term aspirations, i'm doing exactly what i need to do. and if you look at the recent polling, there is a large number of support within the republicans, republican party, specifically, the tea party wing of the party. it's pretty much unanimous
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support for this fight. about 60% of non-tea party republicans support this republican house bill which has defunding obamacare included. so, you know, he steps away from this as you know, this is exactly where i need to be. i am proving to my constituentsy that i am the last man standing. i am now crowned king of this movement that does have a large amount of support within a part of the party. and that's going to, that's really going to help him come primary season 2016. no doubt about it. >> now joy, let's look at the big picture here. we learned today that 56% of uninsured americans will be able to buy insurance for less than 1 hundred dollars a month. now this is what ted cruz is against? he's against americans getting insurance? >> well, and rev, ironically, he comes from texas, which is one of the states with the highest rate. uninsured. this is really about an ideology. i get lots of e-mails from tea
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partiers who are angry about something. they have a lot of falsehoods. they think this is free. you're giving freebies to people. this is insurance you pay for and it's very inexpensive for people who can't afford insurance. i think the identify logical problem is that they just don't believe that government should provide anything in the way of assistance to those in need. they believe that the rich are better than us. they believe that the rich are more moral than we are, and that if you are poor or underprivileged, it's because you're somehow less moral, you're not as good of a person. society shouldn't help you. you should throw yourself on the mercy of the church. look, ted cruz sees an underserve the market. so he, like rush limbaugh is serves them. he's just speaking to this group of people and the donors who've
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funded them. >> you know, abbey, you mentioned sarah palin, that he's no sarah palin. but sarah palin is one of the few people defending cruz. in fact, she says those that are criticizing him don't realize he's creating a whole new political party. listen to this. >> people talk about maybe a need for a third party. i dare say we already have a third party. we've got the liberal democrats. we've got the gop machine. and then we've got the good guys. that's the third party. ted cruz, mike lee, rand paul. >> so we've got a third party? what can that mean in the midterm elections and in the '16 presidential election? >> i agree with her on that point, not the way she described the three parties, but the reality is there are two parties
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within the republican party. so i think she's actually right on there. you're going to see that play out in the 2016, probably 2014 and 2016 elections. this is going to help him down the road. it's good for democrats but bad for republicans, because it's further evidence of this deep divide that continues it seems to get deeper and deeper. i don't know how it's going to end. there's going to be either a divorce or they're going to lose another big election. something's going to happen. but ultimately, it hurts the american people because this limits anything getting done in congress. and that, to me at the end of the day is the saddest part of this whole thing. >> but i think, joy, that is what is sad to me as well. abbey and i agree. at the end of the at that day, ted cruz's profile is raised. his standing, if that's what he wants as a major player in the
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republican internal war, but we're talk being about people's health care in jeopardy. we're talking about possibly the government shutting down which interferes with a lot of people that depend on government. anywhere in this, the people are being trampled while others are positioning for their own personal political career. >> yeah. in a lot of cases the people who need these programs the most are the very one whose oppose them on identify logical grounds. people who are not well off but are the minorities. look at the end of the day rush limbaugh, these guys, they don't care. they don't care about that. ted cruz cares about one thick. as you keep saying, rev, the head of the republican party right now is essentially rush limbaugh. the entertainment wing of the republican party, the entertainment industrial complex owns the paefrmt somebody has to become the political titular leader. who's that going to be?
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right now ted cruz is wink the race. >> joy reed, abbey huntsman, thank you for joining me tonight. coming up, a republican is calling cruz's sideshow governmental terrorism. but we're now five days away from a government shut down, and it might be a reality. we'll talk live to senator barbara boxer. how do republicans try to justify their attacks on health care and the poor? i'll talk live to a republican congress. ant tape you need to see. florida's attorney general apologizes for canceling a planned execution to host a fund-raiser. what's on your mind tonight? e-mail me. friend or foe, i want to know. reply al is ahead.
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americans losing paychecks. fellow republican king said it best calling this a form of governmental terrorism. joining me now is barbara boxer, democrat from california. thank you for being here tonight. >> thank you so much, reverend al. >> we are five days away from a government shut down. and republicans are really going after ted cruz, one calling it governmental terrorism. what are you hearing about his tactics? >> oh, he's very controversial. because it seems to many of his colleagues and to, i would say most, that he is just grandstanding, and he's playing politics, and using the floor of the united states senate that a lot of us really have such great pride in to propel himself into being the rush limbaugh candidate for president as was discussed before. and we have a lot of work to do. and the last time they played
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around with the debt ceiling and they played around with the government shut down, taxpayers lost a bundle. billions of dollars. people lost paychecks. contractors were disrupted. businesses, labor, social security recipients, veterans. it goes on and on. the pain that will be felt. and i think a lot of people believe that he doesn't care a whit about any of that. and, you know, the definition of insanity or one of the definitions of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome. whether it comes to obamacare, they've tried 42 times. we're going to stop them from defunding it. and when it come does a government shut down, that's pain. we don't want to do that again. >> you know, senator, when he compared not fighting obamacare to those that wouldn't fight the nazis in nazi germany, i understand politics. i understand passion, but to
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compare not fighting a health care policy with not fighting naziism? >> well, it's so offensive, and i'm so pleased that john mccain called him on it, but, you know, ted cruz is loose. he's loose with his words. and he's done this before. and i said once before he was using mccarthy tactics when he was trying to defeat chuck hagel who became our secretary of defense, and a republican at that. and these are the same type of tactics, making these comparisons, throwing around these words of heinous people and comparing your colleagues to that. it's shocking. and frankly, if this is what the republican party, the future looks like, i'm very fearful for the grand old party. >> let me ask you something, senator, about something you've proposed. you propose legislation to prevent members of congress from getting paid during a government
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shut down. and we get e-mails about that all the time. why is it so important? >> well, again, if you're going to stand there and inflict pain on others, you better get some pain yourself. it's very complicated because in the constitution it says that we cannot change our pay, but we would suffer from being paid later. but i'm trying to inflict a little bit of pain on those who would not pay our bills, who would shut down the government. i think it's the right thing to do. i don't know whether i'll be able to get that done, but let's hope that the republican party comes to its senses. i think john boehner has to make a very important decision. i know john very well. is he going to be the speaker of the house and go to all the members of the house and resolve this, or is he just going to go to his caucus, in which case the future just looks very, very bleak. and he's got to make that decision. >> yeah. do you have any republicans on
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board with supporting your legislation of stopping the paychecks for the senate and house members if there's a government shut down? >> not yet, but i think they'd vote for it. not yet, but i think they'd vote for it. >> now, you know, not all republicans criticize cruz publicly. take a look at what some other senators said during his speech. >> and that's what i think the senator from texas has started. hopefully a rebel yop against coercion. a rebellion against mandates. >> this effort will become absolutely unstoppable. >> so i appreciate you. and i'm going to support you. >> i want to thank you for being truly senate torrial and doing what senators do. >> is this issue not at the end of the day about us fighting on behalf of every day people who have no voice in this process? >> so let me just ask you, because we're out of time, senator. will there be a shut down in
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your judgment? >> 50/50. i hope not. and ted cruz is hurting the people. and everyone who supports him hurting the people who need so much to have health insurance. >> senator barbara boxer. thank you for your time tonight. >> thanks. still ahead. how can republicans possibly defend their attacks on health care and food stamps. i'll talk about it with a tea party member of congress. plus a gop official who delayed an execution so she could attend a fundraiser is finally speaking out. you'll want to see this one. stay with us. (vo) you are a business pro. maestro of project management. baron of the build-out. you need a permit... to be this awesome. and you...rent from national.
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republicans in congress have made it clear exactly what their agenda is, with votes to roll back health care and food stamp benefits for millions of americans. why are they doing this? it causes real pain to real americans. for example, the food stamps bill would cut and gut $39 billion from the program over the next ten years. if it became law, it would cause nearly 4 million americans to lose benefits next year. let's remember who actually received these benefits. 76% are children, seniors or
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disabled people. 58% have jobs, and 82% worked the year before or after they received food stamps. this is not abstract policy. it's about people. whether or not millions of americans will be able to afford health care and put food on the table. joining me now is congressman tim huelskamp, republican from kansas. thank you for coming on the show tonight. >> reverend, thank you for having me on. >> so congressman, is it your view that millions of people on food stamps don't deserve government help? >> according to the usda, there are $3.5 million able-bodied adults who are receiving food stamps who don't have to do anything. what the republican plan would be is pretty simple. it matches what bill clinton's plan would be if you're an able-bodied adult you need to actually go out and look for work or do some work in order to
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qualify for food stamps. that seems like a reasonable requirement to me and most americans. >> 50% of them are working and 80% of them worked within a year of them getting food stamps. so there's not a problem with them working or seeking to continue to work. the problem is that you're putting mandates on them or you're taking the food stamps off the table where you're almost penalizing people for not being able to get jobs that are not there in some cases. >> that's not true. they have to at least look for work. there's states where it's hard to find a job. in my state of kansas that is not difficult to find a job. but can you also do some job training. this is very similar to what bill clinton signed when he signed welfare reform in 1996. there's a lot of people who need food stamps in this economy, but there are able-bodied adults that have no children at home, not disabled. all we're saying, reverend is
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they go out and look for work and do some job training instead of just sitting there and receiving food stamps. this was good enough for bill clinton in 1996. >> i'm going to ask you if you agree with bill clinton on health care. you have no doubt that your family got help from farm subsidies. how can you justify cutting food stamps from people that need it but give farm subsidies to people that you don't require to go out and receive anything. >> i didn't receive those subsidies you do mention. but in the rest of the farm bill we do make it deductions to payments that are entirely eliminated in the bill. so we've taken those reductions.
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but, again, when you have 47 million americans on food stamps, there are 3 to 4 million americans that are adults receiving food stamps who can work and are doing absolutely nothing to receive them. i don't think that's compassion. i think that's actually doing them a disservice. >> in the bill that you're sending over to the senate, those that will get farm subsidies reduced or not, what are you requiring they do to get farm payments. >> direct payments are entirely eliminated. those that you identified are payments that will go away under the house and senate farm bill. what we're suggesting that out of 47 million americans. that number has grown significantly under president obama. that number will be reduced. hopefully the economy will start growing again. but if you're able-bodied. let's say you're a 35 year old man doing nothing. i think you ought to go out and look for a job. >> what about the children? let me show you. there are children you. >> they are impacted, reverend,
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now. >> 76% of people -- >> i know. we're talking about 4 million adults out of the 47 million folks on this. we believe this won't take a single calorie off the plate of kids but it will make some adults who are laying around, jason the surfer shouldn't be getting food stamps. >> no children will be hurt by your food stamp bill. >> there is one category that folks who don't qualify automatically receive food stamps. i believe if you make too much money you shouldn't be receiving food stamps. that's part of the savings as well. this is very similar to what bill clinton signed in 1996. we applied that to food stamps and i think we need to encourage people to work. >> i think we should encourage people to work and i think we should encourage people to have jobs, but, and the congress.
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>> in this economy, it's very difficult to find a job. >> people need jobs. i think if you have infrastructure and the things the republicans are blocking in the house they would have jobs. for the record, i disagreed with mr. clinton in '96, just like i disagree with you now, but i agree with him on health care. how do you oppose the affordable care act when your district has 89,000 people without any health insurance, 13.8% of your district has no insurance. what is your specific plan to help your constituents in your district in health care? >> it starts with trial lawyers and those higher costs in health care because of all these unneeded duplication going on in health care because of lawsuits. this legislation, this law does nothing to deal with that cost. i hear that from the hospitals. my doctor, my nurses.
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my pas. take your pick. this does nothing with the underlies costs of health care. if you're a 40 year old male in kansas, you're going to have a 138% increase in the cost of your premium. i don't know how that's helping cost. they're going up not down. and when the president stands up there stcontinuing to say they' going down, we would call that in a lie in kansas. i probably shouldn't say that on the air here. >> a family of four with an annual income of $50,000 would pay only $133 a month. a 27 year old individual with a $25,000 annual income would pay only $104 a month. why would you be opposed to that, congressman? >> i'd like to see those figures. i know the department of health and human services released
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selective statistics. i just visited with blue cross and blue shield. >> that came from the department of human services. >> what's that? >> that did come from the department of health and human services. >> they're not coming from the insurance companies that have to issue those policies. at the end of the i da, i don't think washington can run the health care system better than kansans can. aside from all the issues about the cost is that most folks in washington, members of congress included and our staff and kathleen sebelius and every cabinet agency, they don't see any changes under obamacare. they don't have to put up with all the new higher prices and cost. it's just everybody outside of washington. what i brief is, if it's good enough for all of america, it should be good enough for the president of the united states. he wouldn't be under the exchange. he won't pick that. neither will kathleen sebelius. >> let me ask you a question.
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does kansas or the united states congress pay your health care? >> oh the u.s. taxpayers pay a part of it just like every other fid r federal employee. >> you doipts have the state of kansas dealing with your health care. so if it's good enough for you, why isn't it good enough for everybody else in kansas. >> i agree with you. put everybody on the federal employee health care plan. but what this does. >> you said you don't want the federal government running health care. >> no. give them the same option, same choices every member of congress has. but if the president's going to mandate obamacare for kansans, why doesn't he sign up for the dc exchange. >> under the affordable care act you do have options. >> but the president will not live under it. kathleen sebelius will not sign up for the obamacare exchange. where i come from in kansas you have to lead by example.
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why don't you experiment first on employees. the labor unions don't want obamacare. >> under the way you do it, 89,000 people in your district have no insurance. it hasn't worked that way. that's why you need a new way. congressman tim huelskamp, always appreciate you coming on this show. you do come on. thank you and have a great evening. >> thank you. you bet. now i want to bring in karen finney. karen. >> yes. >> the congressman doesn't believe that the federal government can run health care, but then he says they can run it for him and members of congress. >> right. >> and we should have options. and there are options in the affordable care act. it guarantees you have options. >> and don't forget, they're happy to run health care decisions for women. they have no problems telling us
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what medical procedures we can and can't have so that argument doesn't stand up. >> no, it doesn't stand up when you're talking about the fact that in his own district you have 13.8% of his district uninsured. so if the kansas way was working or any of these other congressman, why don't, why are there so many people uninsured in their districts? >> that's exactly right. and as you saw in this interview you just did, they're not offering an alternative. the alternative is to just do away with obamacare rather than spending the time voting 41, 42 times to repeal a law that is already in place, you know, a pointless exercise. why weren't people like the congressman spending their time saying how do we fix this? how do we make this a little better?
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how do we make sure that the exchange na kansas really serves the kansans. >> he's against the government giving people food stamp, even though many of them are children, seniors and disabled. but then when i asked about his own family getting farm subsidies, oh, that wasn't me. that was my family. >> oh, yeah. >> in the next bill we're going to reduce that. reduce that by what to what? and are they doing anything to earn something when they get millions of dool ars. notice he didn't deny he was getting it. he said it's only my parents or my brother. this kind of trying to have it both ways. government shouldn't help people but government can subsidize people with millions of dollars. >> but remember, this goes to the same argument that we saw in the presidential campaign about the makers and takesers, and so
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much of the rhetoric that we've heard about snap and others like it really depend on who you brief is or is not deserving. you made the point to him over and over again. we're talking about 1% of fraud. the snap program is at the lowest amount of fraud ever. we heard a loot about that last week when they talked about the snap program. if you're going to go look for waste, fraud and abuse, how about we look at places where there's real waste fraud and abuse when we look at the defense spends. how much we miss spend on contractors just between the iraq and afghanistan wars. if that was what you were really tries to do, i don't think you start by taking food off the table for children. >> stay with us. we'll have more on this gop futile attempt to try to stop obamacare. still ahead, green eggs and a really bigham. what ted cruz's dr. seuss stunt
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ham? i do not like them sam i am, i do not like green eggs and ham. would you like them here or there? i would not like them here or there i would not like them anywhere. i do not like green eggs and ham. i do not like them, sam i am. >> ah, the classic green eggs and ham. i'm sure his kids loved it. but then he tried to apply the story to the obamacare debate. >> three and a half years ago, president obama and senate democrats told the american people just try obamacare. just try it. i'll tell you the difference with green eggs and ham is when americans tried it, they discovered they did not like green eggs and ham, and they did not like obamacare either. they did not like obamacare in a box with a fox or in a house
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with a mouse. >> oh, senator how can you be so wrong? you went to harvard, but apparently, you never learned your dr. seuss. lucky for you, it's story time. cue the music. ♪ >> i do not like them, sam i am. i do not like green eggs and ham. would you like them here or there? i would not like them here or there. i would not like them anywhere. i do like them green eggs and ham. i do not like them sam i am. so, kids and senator cruz, it's clear he doesn't like green eggs and ham. hmm. that sounds just like the far right's hatred of obamacare. let's continue. not on a train, not in a treatment not in a car, sam, let me be. i would not, could not, in a box. i could not, would not with a fox. i will not eat them to with a mouse. i would will not eat them in a
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house. i will not eat them here or there. i will not eat them anywhere. i do not like them, sam i am. sound familiar? the character sounds just like the republicans. i would not, could not support obamacare. not here or there or anywhere. back to the story. you do not like them so you say. try them, try them and you may. try them and you may, i say. try them. i believe that's president obama saying try obamacare. say, i like green eggs and ham. i do. i like them, sam i am. in the end, he likes green eggs and ham. so senator cruz, this story does apply to obamacare debate, but you got it all wrong. you were told to try it and never d did you think we
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wouldn't notice your green eggs and sham? karen finney is back with us. she's our resident dr. seuss expert. >> that's right. >> karen, the republicans won't even try green eggs and ham. >> you're so right. i think we have a new refrain for the republicans. they do not, would not, just about like anything coming out of the president. like you said. just try it. you might like it, right? and for hose who have tried it, they love it. for people who have pre-existing conditions, for people who want their children on their health insurance till they're 26. there are millions of people in this country who have tried it. maybe ted cruz should talk to one of them. >> and even get to the end of his story. they do serve green eggs in washington. >> yes they do.
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it's delicious. he should go try it. >> well, i think that it is on an a serious note though, for him to stay up all night and the distortions for a plan that would help so many people and we see a congressman with no plan but yet can stand up there over and over again on something that is really needed that their constituents need, that's why we're going to keep talking about it. americans deserve to be able to insure their family and have health care. karen fin eye, thank you for your time tonight. and watch disrupt with karen finney weekends at 4:00 right here on msnbc. coming up, we will show you florida's attorney general apologizes for canceling an execution for a fundraiser, it's amazing. ♪ s ] [ coughs ]
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postponed an execution for a fund-raiser. that is just crazy. today, two weeks later, she finally met the press and said sorry. >> i should not have requested the execution be moved. i should not have moved it. i'm sorry. and it will not happen again. next question. >> okay. it won't happen again. next question. so that's the end, right? well, reporters sure didn't think so. >> back to the execution. how was this communicated? because i've asked for records and we haven't seen any. >> we're getting you those, but through staff. >> did your staff know the reason. >> yes. >> they knew the reason for the change. >> yes. absolutely. i was wrong. i'm sorry. it will not happen again. >> i can answer questions you have regarding staff. >> next question. >> next question. i think you said that already. but those reporters weren't done
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yet. i think they wanted more. p. >> are you concerned that the handling of this situation has hurt your image as somebody who speaks up for crime victims? >> steve, i made a mistake. i'm sorry. it won't happen again. i asked that the killer's date be changed. and he was given 20 more days. it won't happen again. i'm sore eye. >> yes, she should be sorry. very sore eye. thank you orville and wilbur... ...amelia... neil and buzz:
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it's time for reply al. remember, friend or foe, i want to know. mary writes, i'm the mother of a 26 year old male. and like most young men, he doesn't feel that he needs health insurance. houvgs earlier this month he had to be rushed to the er. he spent three days in the hospital and now has a hospital bill for more than $13,000. i'm going to make sure that he
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signs up for health care on october 1st. well, mary, and her situation is like so many. most young people feel they're invincible, feel it doesn't apply to them. but now is the time to especially encourage young people to sign up. and now they can sign up because. affordable care act and be part of their parents' plan. this is the best deal young america ever had, but it won't work if we don't make sure young america signs up like mary's doing with her son. donald writes, rev al, the republicans are like the kid who's losing at checkers and overturns the checkerboard right in the middle of the game and storms off in a tap trum. well, that's exactly what it's like because even as john mccain said today, you lost. we had an election. you lost. you had a vote in the house and the senate on the affordable
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care act, you lost. you even went to the supreme court. you lost. now you're going to have a tantrum and close down government. don't pay bills. make innocent people that depend on their government checks, including veterans suffer because you can't stand losing, because you're not mature enough to understand that we're in a democratic republic. when you lose, you lose. we close tonight with some history. this week in 1957, president eisenhower sent troops to little rock, arkansas to force local officials to allow nine black students to enroll in school. the supreme court had struck down segregation three years earlier, but state and local officials refused to obey the order. the arkansas governor even called in the state's national guard to stop the little rock nine. that's when eisenhower stepped
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