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allow funding for obamacare, a vote for cloture is a vote for obamacare. >> good morning. >> say what you will. we have been critical of him for this strategy but when you lay down the gauntlet you have to respect it. a vote for cloture is a vote for obamacare. >> you don't have to agree all the time. >> voted against it all the time. >> wait, look what happened. >> i'm sorry. i don't understand. what? >> he vote d for it. >> but he said a vote for cloture was a vote for obamacare. >> the vote was 100-0. >> could someone have miscounted? >> got confused? >> he wanted to vote for his own bill. that was his bill. >> i thought he didn't like green egg s and ham. he voted for it. >> it's thursday, september

26 -- >> he ended up supporting a vote on the bill he supported before but tried to fake filibuster. i it's so hard. >> we have different score cards going on. >> maybe it's because i uh went to lesser ivies. not yale or princeton. number one team in the country. that's where i went. >> alabama. >> who's having the worst day? ted cruz or brarack obama wakin up to the polls. >> we'll see the polls. we have white house correspondent for the huffington post sam stein, michael steel, former treasury official and economic analyst steve ratner and julianna goldman. i think ted cruz is having worse day. >> do you really?

i don't know. look at the numbers. >> as we approach the october 1 kick off of obamacare, polls show discontent with the president's handling of health care and other issues. a cbs new york times poll shows him upside down 49-43, a two-year worst. the economy, health care, iran relations, handling of syria and budget deficits, his disapproval numbers are higher than his -- >> look at the numbers. the economy, only 41 approve. 54 disapprove . on health care, 40 approve. 54 disapprove. iran relations, the handling of syria which a lot of his liberal friends said that will work out well though he bumbled into it and bungled into it. that will help him out. not the case.

37% support the handling. 52% -- >> that one's strange. americans got the outcome they wanted. >> he looked so ineffective as we all said for so long. seemed like he didn't know what he was doing. the budget deficit, only 35% approve, 54% disapprove. mika, i think beyond all of those, which just cast a pal over the white house and showed they have lost the american people , are some specific new polls from bloomberg. >> it shows americans disagree with the white house on how to avoid a default. 61% say require spending cuts when the debt ceiling is raised even if it risks default. 28% say if the full faith and credit of the u.s. is in jeopardy raise the debt ceiling without condition. when it comes to cutting two-thirds of americans prefer targeted cuts to those in the

sequester. two-the thi o two-thirds say the sequester didn't impact their family. when it says to who is responsible for washington dysfunction? congressional republicans take the blame. in february, president obama was nine points better than the republicans on that. >> i'm looking specifically. there was a poll i sent you guys specifically from bloomberg that said, like, 62, 63% of americans said they didn't want a clean debt limit raising. they wanted cuts attached to it. >> sure. >> they feel congress doesn't have the discipline to do this themselves and you can't get anything done without a negotiation these days. why not come to the table, sit at the table and use it as a way -- because they say sequester is bad but they want targeted cuts. >> right. >> that's what they are looking for. i thought the last statistic in the poll, mmee, ka -- mika, abot

sharing the blame, that puts him in a tough spot. >> usually democratic presidents are used to being in stroong position when they go against republicans whether on government shutdowns or raising the debt ceiling. of course the deficit has been cut in half. a lot of trend s. a lot of us said it would happen a year ago. the sequester is in place and now the white house finds itself in a difficult position. the president's position is i'm going to raise the debt ceiling. this is nothing you can do about it. i will not negotiate. this latest poll shows 61% of americans are saying, yes, you are. we're with the republicans on this issue. how does the white house deal with it? >> i'm surprised by the numbers. one of the t things the white house assumed is the country didn't have the appetite for the

emotion al turmoil vis-a-vis political negotiations. this complicates that. if you ask most people if they support defaulting on our debt in exchange for spend ing cut i think in the end they will say let's not risk the full faith and credit of the u.s. government. the white house finds itself in a bind. they need to earn back the trust of the public. the spending cuts that happened have grated on the president. people aren't happy with the economic performance at the granular level and you are seeing it reflected in the poll ohs. the ones yesterday and -- >> he's had a flurry of terrible polls. you're at the white house. the white house made the decision to pick up the phone, call john boehner and say, hello, we are not negotiating, and hang up the phone. everybody heard that. in retrospect, maybe it wasn't a part political move.

no smarter than saying, hey, we were excited to meet the president of iran, and he snubbed us. >> that was part of the negotiation process. >> we are not going to negotiate. why did the white house do it? >> i'm not sure the white house would say it was the wrong political move. we have to see how it plays out between now and october 17 which is when the treasury secretary says the u.s. will have only $30 billion left at that point to pay its bills. you will hear from the white house, starting to make an even stronger case for why it's important not to negotiate on the debt ceiling. one of the reasons you may see the numbers in the polls is there is a sense of market complacency. the markets are freaking out. they are trying to scare everyone , but not get everybody too scared. >> scared a little bit. not too much. ratner, are you scared? >> i am actually. >> oh, no. don't say that.

>> let's be specific. what the white house is saying are two complementary things. they are saying they will negotiate over the government shutdown and the continuing resolution which is the business in front of them now. the debt ceiling, it's like negotiating with terrorists. >> you're saying barack obama was a terrorist in 2006 when he said he refused to raise the debt ceiling? >> no. >> no. >> help me, mikamika. >> it wasn't terrorism in 2006 when the president did it as senator but it is an act of terrorism now that he's a president. >> you have no answer to that, do you? >> no answer! >> it's complicated. >> come on. complicated? >> you were on the hill yesterday. you were talking to members of the administration. it is ugly, isn't it? >> it's -- >> there is no escape route. >> that's it. there is no obvious escape route. what republicans are asking for -- to defund obamacare, there is no way the

administration will do that. it's not like the republicans are saying we want to cut four, five, three and they are saying, well, we want five, six. there is no bid and ask. and there is not a lot of time. the vote yesterday accelerates the timing of the senate vote on the continuing resolution. but there is not a lot of time. >> on obamacare and the c.r., the republican s realize ted crz has actually made it more difficult for them and they are going to probably have to move a little bit closer on that issue than on the debt ceiling. i think they will re solve the c.r. issue, the obamacare issue because ted cruz messed it up so badly. >> how? >> obviously the house has their vision. >> it uh says to defund obamacare. >> right. there has to be a compromise. >> they're not going to defund

it. >> nobody believes they are. >> the house will introduce a bill for the debt limit. it will include a host of conservative grab bag items. >> right. >> that will, in turn, persuade conservatives in the house to put it to the side, fund the government. we're going to fight over the debt limit. >> that's worse. >> what they are asking for in the debt limit is amazing. >> it's on the screen. >> he's confused. >> they are going to find a way to resolve it and fight over the debt limit. >> yes, but do they fight over obamacare vietnamese a vie the debt limit. >> no, no. >> that's a problem. >> i thinkle what will happen is the government is going to shut down and they will start negotiating over the shutdown. if they're lucky, they will get a deal done to avoid the debt ceiling. i don't think it is in the

country's interest to negotiate over the debt limit. >> michael, let's go to the circus, shall we? after 21 plus hours of talking ted cruz resigned his position on the senate floor, but not before making one more pop culture reference. >> oh, good. >> i will confess the phrase a re bell i don't know against oppression conjured up to me the rebel alliance fighting against the empire. [ as darth vader ] mike lee, i am your father. [ regular voice ] this is an effort to get the empire, the establishment to listen to the people. just like in the "star wars" movies, the empire will strike back. >> he's not well. >> 21 hours of straight talking will do that. >> mike lee, i am your father?

mike lee would be the emperor here. mike lee, i am your father? my lord. >> and we're worried about the president? cruz's marathon faux filibuster had little to no impact on republican colleagues who questioned the merit of his speech. >> obviously we'd like to defund the law entirely. there is a math b problem in the senate on that. there are 54 democrats and 46 republicans. >> if we are to shut down the government because we re fuse to pass a resolution to keep the government operating, obamacare still gets funded. >> senator tom coburn said, quote, i love their vigor and spirit but to be told we are not listening by somebody who does not listen is disconcerting. senator ron johnson had his doubts saying, quote, this is not a situation where you dig your heels in and obamacare gets

defunded. i think people are willing to hope that's true. i i wish it were true. trust me. i hope senator cruz's oratory convinces five democratic senators to vote with us. i just don't think that's going to happen. texas governor rick perry said, quote, i don't think it's a good option. there is still time to sit down and try to fix obamacare. the idea that you have to defund government over one program is a bit nonsensical. rick perry. >> i know . >> republican in name only. >> senator john mccain had a big problem with cruz's speech -- his reference to nazi jznazi ge >> i reject that allegation. in my view that does a great disservice. i do not agree with that comparison. i think it is wrong. i do not begrudge senator cruz or any other senator who wants to talk as long as they want to, as long as they can depending

upon the rules of the senate. i do strongly disagree the to allege there are people today who are like those pro, prior to world war ii, didn't stand up and oppose the atrocities that were taking place in europe. >> and the ed the titors at nat review write re place the law, re place the strategy. we wish we could say cruz and his allies have a workable strategy of their own. instead they want republicans to refuse to vote for any legislation to fund the government unless it includes language denying funds to obamacare. the history of shutdowns of 1995, 96, the real history that is, not the revisionist history some advocates of the strategy have persuaded themselves s to blooech -- suggests that this plan is unlikely to work. it could help president obama, whose numbers have been falling

all year, to make a comeback that will give a lift to his entire agenda. >> tom coburn -- it was all the pop references with darth. tom coburn said on the senate floor also -- talked about that his constituents have been sold a bill of goods. when i have young interns and young staff in my office taking significant calls from people who have been misled there is no way uh you are going to talk them out of a position that outside interest groups and a very few small number of people inside the senate have made. >> it goes on. george will. >> george will writes in the washington post on obamacare republicans like getting their own way. >> when eisenhower asked general zukoff how the red army cleared minefields. zh ukov replied that it marched

through them. being profligate with lives is a prerequisite of command and a luxury of those with an abundance of lives. et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. basically you've got the national review, george will. >> yeah. >> tom coburn. >> yeah . >> charles krauthammer who last night was on special report. charles krauthammer said, where was ted cruz in 2009 when the republican uh s were fighting t kill obamacare? go down the list of conservatives, neocons, realists, people in the middle on the republican party, people on the right. ron johnson, tea party guy. a week ago everybody said this is a republican civil war.

this isn't a republican civil war. this was ted cruz and a handful of republican senators, some of whom want to get elected to president 2016, against the world. >> what's your point? i say that facetiously. >> it is civil war. >> there is to a certain degree. all the folks you named, ted cruz could give a rat's patootie about them. this is not his audience. he's not worried about them. >> what's he worried about. >> it's not a question of worry. it's speaking to a constituency that elected him, partly, that reinforces him nationally. you saw it re flecked in the poll numbers. when you look at the full faith and credit of the united states being in jeopardy. with the american people, a lot of them think full faith and credit was in jeopardy. >> let me ask -- do these people think that tom coburn is a

rhino? >> some do. >> do you think squloerj is, ron johnson? >> some may do. >> do they the think scott walker, charles krauthammer is a rhino ? >> yes. >> who are these people? >> let me explain to you -- >> but -- >> and anybody listening. >> all right. >> the charles krauthammer is not a true republican and if paul ryan is not a true republican and if tom coburn is not a true republican and scott walker is not, i have bad news for them. they are in the wrong party. they are the ones who are not republicans. >> that's the all well and good, joe . >> is it true? would you agree it is? >> i would agree it's the true. what i'm saying, trying to get you to understand -- >> what are you trying to get me to understand? talk slowly for me. that would help. >> he went to alabama. >> i'm not trying to talk down to you.

>> you're not tying to. you just are. >> you need to get in where people are. instead of looking at this from up here. >> that's my problem. i look from up here. >> i'm trying -- you know, i need to be in the streets with the people like you. >> maybe you need to be there more to understand exactly what's motivating -- >> tell us. >> if you let me get there, i will. what's motivating people goes back to big government republican spending in the bush era. >> oh. >> it leads up to now. >> i don't know anything about that. >> it's not a question of what you know or don't though. >> don't lecture me about what i know. >> joe, i'm not trying to lecture you. i'm trying to get you to put in context why ted cruz uh has momentum and isn't concerned about what the names you listed think of him. his audience isn't washington. his audience is bigger than washington. he's trying to tap into a

sentiment that exists at the grassroots level. some of it is tea party. some isn't. he's trying to get people around a certain idea. >> what is it? >> less government spending. a lot of things we talk about. why do the we have to talk about spending more money before w deal with the root causes of the problem? >> there may -- >> he's trying to call attention to it. >> there's the problem. >> i don't disagree with the strategy. >> don't lecture me -- >> i'm not. >> i credit uh sized george w. bush well before you and well before 99% of conservatives criticized george w. bush. i criticized george w. bush while ted cruz was working for george w. bush. setting his alarm at 3:00 in the morning, sending an e-mail and going back to sleep so everybody thought he was staying up all night and talked to anybody who worked in the campaign and they

will tell you that's what teddy cruz did. that's the insanity of ted cruz this week. he's lecturing people who agree with him. he's enacting a stupid tactic that is, as the wall street journal said, like running into bayone bayonets. i don't need to be lectured by the guy who ordered the charge to say, listen, i will tell you what we are going to do. i was part of picket's charge in 1995-96. we ran up the hill and bill clinton slaughtered us in the shutdown and we just re elected him. there are people that have been here longer than a couple of minutes that know there is a better way i to build a car. there is a better way to beat a liberal president. >> ted cruz would look at the numbers you started to show with and say, that's the energy i'm going after. >> the problem is -- >> i'm -- >> republicans know this.

ted cruz -- we said at the beginning things are breaking our way uh for the first time in a couple of years. our numbers are better for the first time since 2011. barack obama's numbers are weaker than they have been. let's not do what we do and get in our way. all right? let's figure out a smarter strategy. thank you for telling me what small government -- >> oh, stop. >> stop it, joe. >> i understand michael. ted cruz uh is after helping ted cruz's cause and not the party. >> that's the whole thing. that's what the wall street journal said. this is about mailing lists and getting on tv. >> that's the problem. he's alienating everyone in the caucus. they believe it is all about ted cruz, promoting himself more than the cause. my question is what does tom cruise think about it? is he a rhino ? >> he is.

>> coming up next, this will be interesting. senator tom coburn joins us and deputy prime minister of the united kingdom nick clegg and representative peter king. and willie sits down with michael j. fox as he continues to battle parkinson's disease. and a tns debate last night ahead in the political playbook. first, he's not tense. >> i have been tense about this. >> it is? >> that's my tell-all book that's coming out some day. >> i can't wait to read it! >> it's very entertaining. >> you need to e-mail him the picture you have of him in pantyhose. >> back cover. >> that's when he wears something under his pants. >> what? >> wow. >> once again, too much

information. >> i didn't take it over the top that time. it was mika. in four months we'll have the winter olympics in russia. they are concerned with getting the facilities done in place and because of the epic floods the olympic committee is inspecting things. they have had a mud slide and had a state of emergency declared because of so much rain. hopefully things will be colder, whiter and snowier in sochi. you can look at the b problems they will have. in the states, the skiers in the northern rockies, it's almost your time. it's snowing in the northern rockies from butte, montana, to boseman. rainshowers exiting the east coast. what a beautiful stretch of weather. the northeast looks fantastic. great lakes, too. as far as the middle of the country, we are taking the sunscreen back out. 81 in minneapolis today. 75 in chicago is as good as it gets. i'm not concerned with any airports at all. maybe in florida we'll have

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>> beginning in 2014 an increase to $9 followed by the final hike in january of 2016. governor brown said he believed it is his moral responsibility to give people in california the chance to earn a living wage. >> that's great. there will be small businesses in california that feel it is their moral responsibility to leave california. the new york times, a new report indicates that detroit's pension fund spent well more than normal benefits to retirees and active workers for decades, costing the city billions. an actuary said excess pension payment cost detroit nearly $2 billion over 23 years. during some years, excess payments cost more than $100 million. in some cases payments were more than twice the necessary amount. you wonder why detroit is in the mess that it's in. >> usa today, new data reveal s

15% of american adults don't go online. >> they're smart. >> they tend to include the elderly, poor and less educated. some cited lack of access, cost is a bigger concern. more than half of the adults -- offline i adults said they would need assistance to go online in the future. >> the u.s. postal service is propose ing a hike for first class stamps. they could raise the price to 49 cents. in addition postcard and package rates would also increase. the postal service said this would raise $2 billion in rev new. >> they are in trouble. >> a move requires approval from the postal regulatory commission. rates can't rise above the rate of inflation. that's a problem. >> it's rough. >> raise prices that dramatically on something that fewer people do which means fewer people will do it in the future. >> that's correct. now to chief white house correspondent mike allen on the

set. >> there is a lot to talk about. we have two choices here. >> want to play tic-tac-toe ? >> the letter of the day is v. you can either do the virginia governor race or vegan strip clubs. >> winner, winner chicken dinner. >> want to do the strip club. >> no. two candidates for governor went head to head. take a look. >> my attorney has been the attorney general. he's run on jobs and transportation sh gets in office and serves with an ideological agenda. let it be women's health sent ers where he shut them down. sponsored bills to make the pill illegal. he's re fered to gay virginians as self-destructive, soulless human beings. he was one of only three attorney generals when the

violence against women act was reauthorized in the united states congress. 47 attorney generals signed a letter, violence against women not continue server shall. -- controversial. he's one of three who re fused to sign it. >> the comparison is someone who's told the new york times you help me , i hope help you. that's politics. talking about a case where he was an unindicted coconspirator in a the teamster's election money laundering case. if terry is elect ed we have to change the motto to quid pro quo . >> according to a maris poll mcauliffe is trailing by 3%. >> this was the biggest night of the campaign. it was televised statewide. we know chris christie will win in new jersey. >> poll numbers are good.

>> chris's poll numbers. we saw some yesterday. they are outrageous. just high. almost gaudy. >> chuck todd, the moderator here, set it up by pointing out $20 billion spent on tv ads, 75% have been negative. they were trying to convince the viewers not to believe what they have been seeing. in both his open ing and closing statement we saw terry mcauliffe refer to mark warner governed in a bipartisan way, ken cucinelli trying to get the attention off him. way down with him in the polls. his last words were i will fight for you. terry will fight for terry. >> speaking of women. >> chris christie, 61%. his opponent, 32% among women. chris christie leading in new jersey, a pro life candidate in an overwhelmingly pro choice

state winning 62 to 26 among women, 62 to 2 among men. unbelievable. 45 to 47 among democrats. >> he's smart. we have seen his ads on "morning joe." they emphasize his ability to reach across the table. what he accomplished in sandy. his plan is to take this and he'll then have a great national message and say, i can win as a different republican. i have won in this difficult state and i can do so nationally. >> chris christie proves that voters reward you for working with the other side. we have the screaming and yelling in washington, d.c. republican governors know what to do. there is a reason why john kasik's numbers have gone up. bob mcdonald. before the crisis he hit, the numbers were unbelievably strong. >> he ran on traffic,

transportation, a democratic issue. >> bob's for jobs. there is a way forward. not the washington way. >> we all know newark mayor cory booker loves social media. >> he's a big tweeter. >> his interactions on twitter reportedly included a stripper from oregon named lindsay lee. >> okay. >> buzz feed, first reported back in february that booker sent her a private message on twitter. twitter is not private. he said, quote, the east coast loves you and by the east coast, i mean me. >> is this a vegan stripper? >> she wrote back, well, i'm blushing with a smiley face. booker are plied, it's only fair. lee said she let him when they first were in the twitter movie "follow friday." she works at casa diablo.

>> oh, yes. that's from "breaking bad." >> it claim it is to be the first vegan strip club in the world. in a statement to the new york times a spokesman for booker said the mayor talks with people from all walks of life on twitter. the most shocking part is learning that there is a vegan strip club in portland. >> is it really shocking that there is a ve gan strip club in portland? >> no. if you're going to have one -- >> it would be in portland. >> vegan strip clubs are whole some. >> the east coast loves you and when i say the east coast, that means me . >> this guy. there is a picture -- you can't say it may be another anthony weiner crisis. some of the most respected journalists in washington hang with strippers. >> what? >> here is a good example right here from miami. >> oh. mike.

>> do you remember her name? >> tril. >> she probably follows lynsey lee on twitter. >> i don't think she's vegan. it says wits and something that rhymes with it. >> all right. thank you very much. you look a little too comfortable. >> did he just -- >> yes. coming up, in atlanta, what led to this and the ejections that followed? sports is next. forget what you heard about her. >> and her bio. [ taps baton ] [ dings ] ♪ [ male announcer ] every thought... every movement... ♪ ...carefully planned, coordinated and synchronized. ♪

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time for sports. tigers and twins. why show it to you? austin jackson goes yard -- actually gets a stand-up triple. right? he scores, takes the 1-0 lead. that makes the detroit the winner in the a.l. central for the third consecutive year. probably what everyone is talking about this morning. carlos gomez goes yard. okay ? then paul mahone watches the slugger and everyone dislikes what he's saying and doing as he takes a half an hour to walk the

base path. finally the catcher stops him and says, what are you doing, buddy? everybody gets out of the dugouts. no punches were thrown. several players, mccan, mahone and freeman rejected from the game. this dates back to june when he hit him and said it was on purpose and it was the only way to get him back. they win 4-0, milwaukee does. new york, the yankees eliminated from the post season after the indians beat the white sox. the rays adding insult to injury. evan longoria. david dejesus back to back homeruns in the sixth. the rays take the 8-3 win. only the second time in 19 years the yankees will miss the playoffs. i'm a red sox plan but it's more exciting when they are in the post season. give some other team as chance. some call it a greatest come back in sports history. is sailing a sport? you know. team new zealand had an 8-1 lead

and lost 9-8 against oracle team usa. they won eight straight races demoralizing the country of 4 million plus people. more new zealanders are on the usa team than team new zealand. coming up next, the must read opinion pages. we'll be right back with more "morning joe." i'm a careful investor.

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it's 47 past the hour. >> look at the poll numbers and some people would say i the lights are on but nobody's home. >> look at some republican numbers. >> we're good. we survived the faux filibuster. we are more united now as a party than we have been in a long time. >> here with us now former news week editor at large and princeton university professor evan thomas. >> now that's not a lesser ivy. right? so let's get it clear. ted cruz would not study with people from lesser ivies. so you have harvard, yale, princeton. >> ooh. >> those are the three ivies. ted cruz would -- >> they are not talking a lot about ted cruz at princeton. >> or harvard. >> no. >> really? >> princeton students aren't proud uh. >> he proved he couldn't count to 51.

>> "ike's bluff" is out now in paperback. congratulations. for the must reads we have chosen this one from the washington post editorial we can all talk about. the board writes trouble at the core of u.s. foreign policy. in his second inaugural address president obama delivered a ringing pledge of u.s. support for american ideals around the world. just eight months later the idealism is gone. in what may be the most morally crimped speech by a president in modern times mr. obama ruled out the promotion of liberty as a core interest of the united states. instead he told the u.n. america's core interest consists of resisting aggression against allies, protect ing the free flow of energy, dismantling terrorist networks and stopping the development and use of wmds to say america cares more about the flow of oil than the rights of men and women is to diminish

is u.s. soldiers and diplomats who sacrificed to far higher purpose than mr. obama would acknowledge. it is to cede the exceptionalism argument to vladimir putin. >> evan, the last few months have been reveal ing into the mindset of barack obama who has repeatedly told americans and the world what we can't do. we can't control events in syria. we can't stop a man from killing a hundred thousand of his own people, who's crossed the red line twice. with gadhafi, we must lead from behind. it is a break from just about every other president's view of what the united states is. is it not? >> it's not confident. that's for sure. a lot of americans agree with him. we live in an age where people don't want to mess with foreign affairs. he's not out of step with the american people.

he seems to be making it up as he goes along. you know, i wrote a book about eisenhower. he would probably approve of where we are now. using force to avoid getting into a fight and getting into a negotiation. eisenhower would like the outcome but would not like the way it came about. he would be shaking his head over obama making it up as he goes along. >> eisenhower was so calculated. people famously talk about the brinksmanship strategy. you talk about ike's gamble. ike led from a position of strength, including -- even during the suez the crisis -- basically telling the british, we are going to destroy your currency if you don't back off. >> ike was good at using the appearance of strength to avoid war. that was his foreign policy. i think he would approve what obama is doing.

it's the way obama does it. obama has an air of peevishness at times like he's doing us a big favor to be president of the united states. i'm sure eisenhower would not have liked that. >> i'm sure as well. >> new york times. ted cruz is a roadblock with a princeton debate medal but managed to achieve what no one from the president to the american people has been able to do -- unite the vast majority of congress around one great idea which is, in this case, hatred of senator ted cruz. his 21-hour performance was apparently not an official filibuster but since nobody wants to discuss senate rules let's reel call "mr. smith goes to washington" when senator jimmy stewart stood up in defiance of his misguided or

corrupt colleagues and filibustered until he collapsed on the floor. noing this week was nearly that cool. this is all painful. >> what's his next act? what's the next act? doesn't he know at some point he needs to get things passed for the people of texas? >> he seems determined to be a fringe figure. he seem as smart guy. he's a brilliant debater. maybe he has a long term plan. it's tough to see what it is. you see marco rubio trying to play the inside game on immigration reform. gets hammered by tea parties looking for ways to move to the right. ted cruz tries to play the outside game and is now getting

hammered by the accomplishment, the john mccain of the world. >> isn't the route working? >> the right route is getting elected to the senate. i'm serious. working longer than barack obama did in the senate before deciding you want to be president of the united states. this is a recipe for disaster. >> i would argue they are not even going to washington, being a governor and having your own platform and having things. >> executive leadership. >> he's not alone in the house. there is a band of house republicans who believe in what we he's doing. >> there are far fewer after ted cruz pushed them to do smangd ran to the house to hold a press conference and attacked. that's not the best way to whip up support. >> they believe what they believe. >> evan, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> your book is "ike's bluff" out in paperback now. >> amazing book.

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cruz ended up voting the same way the other senators voted. so his speech didn't accomplish anything. but it was a big event for c-span. so big they are planning to run it again as a special over the weekend this weekend. >> tomorrow on c-span, 21 hours

of uninterrupted ted. cruzapalooza. all the nonsensical highlights. >> some time ago i tweeted a speech the that ashton kutcher gave. >> all the bad impressions. >> mike lee, i am your father. >> and inside info you won't get anywhere else. >> i'm a big fan of eating white castle burgers. >> tomorrow, followed by the senate's 50 greatest gavel bangs. only on the c. >> oh, man. >> welcome back to "morning joe." >> i haven't watched in a while. that's something. >> michael steele and julianna goldman are still with us. also with us political director and host of the daily run down chuck todd and columnist for the washington post and msnbc policy analyst eazra klein.

>> you were uh in virginia last night, chuck. how was it? >> i don't know. i can't score it. >> you can't. >> but it was -- cucinelli, mcam mcauliffe. you could tell what he was trying to do. run out the clock and cucinelli, saying i'm not scary. >> did terry take shots? the you know there is a whole ad running that's every appearance on "morning joe." if he loses, mika, he'll be mad at you. i'm sure he goaded you. >> exactly. >> they were typical politicians. northern virginia. >> first of all, it was

statewide. >> mm-hmm. >> i'd say the most striking thing, a couple of striking things to me. one was, boy, terry's entire plan is based on taking medicaid funding on health care. that's interesting to see. he basically says, you know, if i get that then i can spend money on all these other things. but everything is on that. you can talk about the polling has shifted. this is the first time i have seen a democratic nominee in virginia comfortably going after the nra. think about it. mark warner, tame cane, don meijer. >> he supports -- >> assault weapons ban, background checks. >> oh, my gosh. >> he was in a place that what people think of virginia 20 years ago, no way a candidate like that could win. it shows you how things can change. >> before we get to senator

coburn approaching the october 1 kick-off date for obamacare, polls show discontent with the president's handling of health care and other issues. on foreign policy the economy, health care, iran relations, handling syria and budget deficits, his disthe approval numbers are higher than the approval numbers. a new bloomberg poll shows americans disagree with the white house on how to avoid default. 61% say require spending cuts when the debt ceiling is raised even if it risks default. 28% say raise the debt ceiling without condition even if the u.s. is in jeopardy. when it comes to cutting two thi thirds of americans. the sequester didn't have an impact on their family. when it comes to who is

responsible for washington dysfunction, congressional republicans narrowly take the blame but president obama was nine points better. >> those are surprising numbers. especially 61% want spending cuts while raising the debt limit. only 28 don't. that will be surprising for people at the white house. >> everything is upside down on both sides. >> both sides. >> here with us now uh from capitol hill, republican senator from oklahoma, senator tom coburn. senator, good morning. welcome to the show. >> good morning. i'm not upside down. >> you're not? >> no. >> i'm standing straight up. >> very good. let me ask you about another guy that said he was going to stand straight up until he could stand no the longer or until harry reid told him, hey, get off the floor. talking about your colleague ted cruz. you said he misled your

constituents and made the work of young staffers in your office much harder. the -- tell me, what are your thoughts about ted cruz and what he did. >> what's he doing? >> on the senate floor. >> what he did was great. he spent time talking to the american people about the affordable care act otherwise known as obamacare. the problems with it. my problem with the strategy is show me where you get 67 votes in the u.s. senate to get rid of and defund obamacare. you know, that's the problem. the problem with politics is if you create expectations you can't fulfill, that leads to disappointment. our biggest problem in our country now, joe, is the fact that people don't have any confidence in our future. they don't have confidence in your leadership. they don't have confidence in the politicians. a lot of the incity uh tuitions.

we want leadership that pulls us back together and restores confidence rather than divides us. you know, i'm all for changing the affordable care act, eliminating and doing something more transparent, more market-oriented. to create the impression that we can defund obamacare when the only thing we control -- and barely -- is the u.s. house of representatives is not intellectually honest. >> right. >> it also obviously -- and i have heard from my friends in the house and senate -- it put people who support the defunding of obamacare in a terrible position in that phones would ring in their offices nonstop and your constituents would demand that you do things that are just impossible because, as even ted cruz admitted at the end, republicans didn't have the votes to do this. it seemed to me he made

everybody's life supposedly on his side much more difficult. >> i'm finishing up nine years in the senate. nobody has a higher conservative rating than i do. i'm now no longer a conservative according to the standards that have been set by the expectation of this process. i i'm getting all sorts of e-mails if from people that supported me because they have been misled about what's possible. do people not think if i could change obamacare i would do it in a minute? it is the disappointment that we put a she were goal with lousy tactics ahead of being honest with the american people. we need integrity in government and speaking the truth. i'd love to get rid of obamacare. but i don't see a path forward to doing that. until the president is out of office.

>> chuck todd. >> senator, are you at all involved in any negotiations on the continuing resolution, the budget bill the senate will pass back to the house? senate leadership reached out to you? are they going to try to get republicans like yourself to sign onto something temporarily, offer you a sweetener of some sort? >> well, chuck, first of all, going back to the polling, b i have been saying all along when we were talking about this, we are not talking about the things that americans reck niez as true. the government wastes at least half a trillion dollars a year. i can give you specifics to 250 of oh it in the discretionary budget. 250 billion. there is not going to be a c.r. vote because i don't think it's the way to run a government. it's terrible. >> doesn't it cost more? >> it costs more money. it's terrible for our managers at the agencies.

you don't allow them to make good decisions in terms of planning. we've got wonderful federal employees at almost all the agencies. we put them in handcuffs with c.r. so it's a terrible way to run the government. i don't vote for c.r.s. there can't be a sweetener to get me unless it is cutting spending for the rest of the year and directing the spend ing and giving flexibility to managers to make good decisions. the great thing about the sequester though it's a terrible way to cut is the necessity created a lot of innovation in these agencies and it is amazing the things it got rid of that they didn't need. >> julianna? >> i want to ask you about the numbers with saw in the bloomberg poll looking fast the c.r. to the debt ceiling fight do you think 61% of americans should have a right to think there should be negotiations around further cuts connected to

the debt limit fight? >> absolutely. we still have at least $80 billion a year in fraud and medicare. they shouldn't expect us not to borrow that from people -- children who have to pay the money back from us not doing our jobs. the problem with washington is congress. it's congress not doing the oversight on all the waste. take for example 47 job training programs for the nondisabled. when you have the rest of the jobs we are spending $30 billion a year and nobody oversighted one of them and most don't work. there is $30 billion a year you are blowing. we are keeping people employed in the b job training industry but not training for life skills to give people an income. yet there is no oversight, no reform. i can give you 165 program it is gao outlined. i have to give the president credit. his budget this year at least addressed a few of the issues

that gao raised. congress hasn't addressed any of them. >> all right. senator tom coburn -- >> the man who over the past nine years has had the most conservative rating in the united states senate. >> there you go. senator, thank you. >> have a good morning. >> now defined as a rhino in a week and a half. congratulations. >> well, that's -- >> the president -- talked about how good federal workers are. >> by the way, did you see how nervous he was? uh -- i think he's good. ezra, i want you and chuck to help me out. a lot of the numbers we have been seeing from the president in the past week, i have noticed a drop in the nbc polls, the new york times polls coming out. if this is because of syria and other things. the president upside down. his job performance, the lowest in two years.

foreign policy, 40-49. the economy, 41-54. health care 40-54. iran, 39-44. syria, 37-52. budget deficit 35-54 which would surprise anybody following the trajectory. >> people don't want us doing so much deficit reduction. they want more stimulus spending. >> thank you, ezra. >> memo to paul cruz. >> that will get you your next column. the bloomberg poll surprises me. something like 62% of americans say they don't want to claim the limit increase. they want more spending cuts attached. what's going on? >> let's separate the poll and the presidential numbers. this has been the pattern throughout the presidency. the foreign policy numbers are clearly stemming from what was a very complicated and in some ways poorly designed foreign policy process. you're see ing a reaction there. on his actual upside down

approval rating every time we are in a debt ceiling fight president obama has posted his lowest numbers. >> really? >> if you look back -- >> republicans are hurt. the president is as well. >> the only time mitt romney polled ahead of the president in the horse race until right after the debates was around the debt ceiling fights. people hear about shutdowns, debtle ceilings and think this guy is the guy in charge. if he was doing a good job congress wouldn't make a mess of things. his approval rating go s down. >> chuck, we'll get you on that. i want you to jump ahead to the one that surprised a lot of us. over 60% of americans want spending cuts attached to increasing the debt limit. >> debt court of appeal ing increase s are always and everywhere. >> not even close. >> it never is. >> debt ceiling increase s are always and everywhere. they were in 2011, 2013.

they are always and everywhere wildly unpopular. you ask people if they want to increase the debt limit, it sounds terrible to them. what happens in every one of the processes goes the same way. it takes a while to remind people what the debt limit is and the massive financial crisis you will get if you don't do it. the other thing is spending cuts are popular, right? it's when you say i would like to cut medicare as part of this, cut social security. i think senator coburn does amazing work doing through duplicative programs and trying to find the pieces. you want to get to the real money. i don't agree. you have a half trillion in what everybody agrees is waste. you get into things people don't think is waste. they think it's education spending, training spending, health care spending. all of the sudden you have lower numbers. >> it's something you saw in the bloomberg poll. the public opinion is going down

to revision for entitlements. you haven't ep seen that kind of leadership over the past several months from the attacking entitlement reform. 41% showed re vamping medicare wasn't necessary down from february when it was almost 2-1. >> i i love how julianna doesn't accept the new york times poll has been release ed. let me tell you about the bloomberg poll. by the way, did you see that bloomberg poll? >> so are you. >> al hunt would be proud. >> al is proud this morning. first of all, the president's numbers. i don't think i have seen him this low across the board. does it all stem from the bumbling in syria? do you see a ebb trend or will it bounce back? >> every time there's been a fight in washington --

>> have they been this low? this is the high 30s, low 40s. >> this is a new floor. didn't go high 30s did he ? >> probably only a rasmussen. >> you still saw a solid part of the democratic base sticking with him. we never had it below 44. one thing that happened this summer that created a, quote/unquote, new floor and eroded him is the nsa hit with a chunk of the president's base, younger voters, left-leaning libertarian independents. >> you saw it in the polls. >> we have seen it. all summer long there's been a consistent missing five to ten points inside his coalition and it comes from the group. i think that hasn't helped if you want to -- why in this new york times poll is he at 43 instead of 45? i would say the extra why did

the floor get lowered, it's nsa. but the bigger issue is the issue with congress. on the debt ceiling is in 2011 the debt ceiling number uh was in one direction. after the president addressing the nation and all that it got to about even. he was able to convince at least half the country you had to raise the debt ceiling. it takes time. >> they have three weeks. they don't have the timeline again. they have until october 17. >> that's why there won't be a shutdown. boehner knows if he wants the to play games with the debt ceiling, if he wants to play with the shutdown, he can't. one or the other. >> i think the shutdown gets taken care of. >> it's a complete mistake. >> by the way, the same thing happens with the shutdowns they voted against -- i mean , i voted against raising the debt ceiling. everybody said, uh i'm with you.

then all these people from wall street said, you know, this will cripple our business and everybody folds the last day. >> they suck it out of your 401(k) the next day and then you fold. >> thank you. >> they always fold the last day. >> julianna, thank you so much. chuck and ezra stay with us. up next, nick clegg joins us. later, art imitates life. michaelle j. fox returns to television playing a man returning to television dealing with parkinson's disease. >> where do they get the ideas? these hollywood guys. >> he watches "morning joe." >> all right. ♪ with an innovative showerhead plus wireless speaker, kohler is the proud sponsor of singing in the shower.

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they have been promoting the opening of the u.n. like crazy. take a look. watch this. >> for more than 60 years, leaders from across the globe have met in one place. this week, the excitement

begins. [ silence ] [ laughter ] >> can -- you -- handle it? the 68th annual general assembly, september 2013. >> wow, that's huge. welcome back to "morning joe." i'm willie geist with brian shactman in new york. with us, deputy prime minister of the united kingdom, leader of the liberal democrats, mr. nick clegg. >> good morning. >> is it as exciting as it appears? >> it is thrilling. >> riveting. >> you can't take your eyes off it. >> we were talking about the new president in iran, rowhani, saying the right things, striking a moderate tone. what approach do you take? it feels we have heard it before from iranians. >> it's progress that he's

taking a different tone, speaking a different language but it doesn't solve the problems. you have to see if the actions -- b the words are translated into action. so i think the ball will return into the court of the iranian regime pretty quickly. they will have to really show whether they mean what they are suggesting through their rhetoric. i think we should test what he's saying seriously. take him seriously. be open and sincere in trying to find a way forward but be hard headed that it's actions, not words that speak the loudest. >> there is a high level meeting among foreign ministers including our secretary of state john kerry. what do you expect or what would you like to hear from their foreign minister about the nuclear program in iran? >> i was talking to our foreign secretary almost hague. i don't think this meeting will be one to devil into the detail. they could start setting the expectations of what could and

couldn't be achieved. we are in the early stage. there appears to be an opening. we would be foolish to turn our backs to the opening. also we need to do it with a healthy dose of caution and, as i say, really just test progress against concrete actions. not just a change in mood. >> joe is in washington with a question for you. joe ? >> hey, great to have you back, mr. deputy prime minister. obviously the united states and the world is shocked by the events in parliament a few weeks back. >> yeah. >> on the syria vote, you guys are actually still pledge ing more additional help and aid to the syrian people. tell us about that. tell us about that vote. if anybody saw that coming. >> i think the vote was striking because, as you rightly suggest, everyone kind of got into the habit of expecting that if military action will be taken in this case to defend international humanitarian law

against a war crime, britain traditionally steps up to the plate. this time parliament said no. i think there were lots of reasons for it. one of the things that came through in the debates, as i sat through it -- all eight hours of it -- iraq really cast a long shadow. i heard people in television studios like this talking about saddam rather than assad and 2003 rather than 2013. it was as if he were having a discussion through a time warp. i didn't agree with it myself. i totally understand it's made people very, very anxious, cautious and fearful about a further entanglement in the middle east. >> so sh mr. deputy prime minister, b where does that leave britain vis-a-vis syria? we are going down the chemical weapons process. but it has to be backed up presault ste. marie bli. by some force or willingness to

display for us if the syrians don't cooperate, where will britain be in the process. >> we'll support in the u.n. this week the idea that the international community would say, let's implement what the governments have agreed to take the chemical weapons off the field of battle all together. but, you know, if assad doesn't respect what he's got to do in the process there will be consequences. there are other steps as well. we eve got to address the humanitarian problems which are horrific. there is a new syrian refugee driven from their homes. hundreds of thousands traumatized. then we have to get peace talks. we have to get people negotiating again which is called the je me the eva-2 process in the jargon. deal with chemical weapons, trying to address the humanitarian crisis sh get negotiations going again. that's the three-pronged approach, if you like, that we are trying to pursue.

we are working in lockstep with the u.s. administration on those three areas. >> mr. deputy prime minister, i'm curious to get your read on the fact that you had during the whole potential air strikes, you had your debate in parliament and after your debate, we had a debate in this country, ended up not having a vote in congress. both countries' elected leaders reflecting where their populations are. do you think this is solely iraq fatigue in general or is it going to be a while? is the western power not doing military alliances because their democracies don't like this type of foreign policy anymore? >> first thing i would say is we are democracies. we can't go around preaching democracy around the world and then not be proud of the fact that even whether you agree or

disagree democracy is spoken in our system. it does reflect widespread public skepticism about further military at venture. it's a good thing, isn't it, that in both sides of the atlantic, our people, our democratic institutions set the hurdle high. never take military action on a whim. it's a good thing in the old fashioned sense of the word there is septembkepticism about. i have seen commentators calling it a crisis in the west. the west is toothless. i don't believe it. we all took action together in libya. on this occasion, i think it was heavily affected by the memories, the bitter memories of oh iraq. i think it did influence the debate. but i don't think that means forever and anon we are going to -- not going to try to do our bit to sort things out if necessary with military force around the world. i think that would be a double

tragedy, by the way, of the legacy of iraq. not just iraq, but also if the legacy were that the person world were to pull back all together, it would be a tragedy for the west and indeed for the world. >> want to get your opinion on health care for a second. you are dealing with economic issues in the uk and austerity. you have socialized medicine. how do you view the debate about obamacare and what we are talking about? >> parts of the debate are very familiar. there is a debate about austerity, cuts, not cuts and the drama at the moment in washington about the deficit and so forth. that's familiar. we're also dealing with this huge black hole in public finances. in relation to the size of the economy we have a bigger problem that we have been trying to sort out. on the health care thing the dethe bait d debate is different. we are used to the national health service.

i'm proud of it. it means everybody, rich or poor, if they have something wrong and they need access to good health care they can get it free at the point of use. not based on what you earn. it is based on need. that is a principle that runs deep in britain across the whole political spectrum. to that extent the debate is different. >> does it seem silly to you? >> not tat all. it's a serious issue. how much more serious can it be than providing health care to people? we come from different trajectories on this. the whole thing about balancing the books in a way people find acceptable is something we all struggle with. >> finally, you have an update for joe on arsenal and liverpool yesterday. >> joe, you saw liverpool lost 1-0. but arsenal which is my family's team, they scraped home with a penalty win. >> a little sports report, joe.

>> it is a sports report. i don't know how arsenal does it every year, how winger does it. >> it's innate genius. one of those things. >> exactly. liverpool, my gosh. they started at the top of the table. then they let us down. it's looking rough. >> pretty rough. >> you said it u, i didn't. >> i know. >> we are exporting the vikings and steelers to play in london on sunday to convince the world that our football is the best football. >> that will be some ugly stuff. all right. >> mr. deputy prime minister, thanks for making time for us. coming up, it's never too early to think about college for kids. even 12 years from now. time magazine managing editor nancy gibbs on what the class of 20 the 25 will look like. my customers can shop around--

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joining us from new york, time managing editor nancy gibbs here with the new cover the class of 2025. john meechum writes the cover piece. the college graduate who can think creatively will stand the et greatest chance of doing well and doing good, too. as long as the liberal arts tradition remains a foundation of the curriculum in even the most elective of collegiate systems there is hope that graduates can discuss the gettysburg address in a job interview at google. that's the cover of time. nice to see you. >> nice to be here. >> what is the class of 2025 up against? why is it different from the class of 2013? >> it's funny to have

universities that are the envy of the world having an intellectual crisis. if they don't solve it the prospects for the class are more bleak. we have to figure out about cost. you cannot have a four-year college education be a luxury good at the moment it's an economic imperative. they have to figure out accountability. the big argument now is how do you know what purpose this education is serve ing, how well it is serving the student for life, how well is it preparing them to function uh in the economy? when the obama administration proposes a rating system for colleges so students and parents who are searching for colleges will figure out, can i get my money's worth it's controversial. that's where the argument is heading. how do you know if you are getting what you are paying for given the fact that the cost is so high. >> look at that number. >> you look at the numbers, 83% don't know what the emancipation

proclamation ordered. 62% don't know the length of congressional terms. 43% don't know john roberts is chief justice. what are we teaching the kids? >> that's the interesting question. the debate over what kids need to know like that kind of information versus what i they need to know how to do. think analytically, quantitatively. work in team thes. are we teach ing skills or are we teaching information? what should the right balance be? this is a debate that's going on at every level. even as we are trying to figure out how to make college accessible and affordable to a larger population of students. >> we have seen the question asked by people in magazine s ad around the world. is the college education worth it? you're a smarter person with a broad based education. you see an explosion of community colleges and things. it's cheaper. you can get a tangible skill for

which you can get a job. >> we are seeing the cost problem. we know last year college debt just reached a record level . if you go to one of the 50 most expensive colleges, the cost of the degree is now higher than the average cost of a house in this country. >> look at the numbers. >> amazing. >> $127,000 for a private college. $37,000 for a public university. $73,000 for a two-year community college and even if you don't go to a major ivy like you it costs a lot of money. >> and college education has gone up faster than others. >> why is that? >> it's an arms race, a race to build better buildings, facilities, more faculties because people pay it. when you look at the applications, particularly to harvard and princeton and a number of other schools they are at record level s. >> we just did a massive ten-part series on higher

education costs. one thing we found that's interesting is that's true with the four year system. what they have had is a massive reduction in state aid. we used to give them a lot of money in the t states. that's been cut badly. they have had to backfill through tuition. their spending per student is down but tuition is up because an amount of money that was provided by the government has to now come from students. other than the dud s.e.c. teams are building bigger stadiums. >> the dud is steady at 41,000. we'll stay there. trying to fill it up. it's interesting despite the fact that john meachum wrote great piece. the class of 2025. thank you very much. up next my conversation with michael j. fox on his new show and his public battle with

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michael j. fox has a new show. it's a familiar story to me. my father has parkinson's.

he burst onto our tv sets as alex p. keaton on family i ties. then rode a time traveling delorean to movie superstardom as marty mcfly in "back to the future." now 22 years after his diagnosis, michael j. fox is making a full-time return to television. the kitchen was so iconic. do you think about when you were a kid? >> i was a kid on that and a young adult on spin city. now a middle aged father. i have come full circle. >> more than a decade after his last starring tv roll on "spin city" and 22 years after his diagnosis, fox plays mike henry, a family man and tv anchor returning to work, five years after parkinson's put his career on hold. >> 5:00 news! we love you, bro .

>> thanks, man. thanks for that. >> people are saying this is michael j. fox's big comeback. are you ready to be thrust into the public eye? >> it's flattering that people give it the attention and on some level people are excited about it. it's funny. it is weird to have been low key. >> when you walked off the set from "spin city" given your medical condition, some people thought maybe we have seen the last of michael j. fox on tv. >> i thought it was the last of me on television. >> what has it like for to you have a 14, 16 hour day.

is it more or less than you thought? >> it's more, but i am handling it better than i thought i would. it's what i enjoy doing. >> it wasn't always so easy for him to laugh at his condition. >> you got the diagnosis at 30. young on set parkinson's. family ties, three back to the future movies. it must have flattened you. >> it came as a prognosis that i had maybe ten years left to work. i was just married and my son was just born and father just passed away. it flattened me. >> for people living with parkinson's the status quo. >> he became the face of parkinson's, giving strength to the million americans living with the disease, my own father among them. >> the biggest compliment i could pay you, when my father was deciding whether or not he

could be public with it, i can point to you. i said look when he has done with it. he used his celebrity in a positive way and he's on television every day. this is not something to shrink from. do you have a sense of how you inspired people? >> i'm a visible member of the community and if i can set that example for people, you don't have to shut down. it doesn't have to be life shattering or life ending. it pushes you to a new place. like doing this show. it's like why not? why can't i? why can't i? >> michael has an incredible outlook on all this. last year my father announced he

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any vote for closure, any vote to allow harry reid to adfunding for other obama care, a vote for closure is a vote for obama care. >> say what you will. we have been critical at times, for being cynical, when you go on the second news show and lay it down, you have to respect him for it. a vote for closure is a vote for obama care. he voted against it yesterday. >> look what happened. >> i'm sorry, what? >> he voted for it. >> he said the vote for cloture is a vote for obama care. >> could have been have

miscounted? >> he wanted to vote for his own bill. >> i thought he didn't like green eggs and. he ended up voting for it. >> it's thursday. >> he ended up supporting a vote on the bill that he had supported before, but tried to filibuster. >> right. >> we have a different score card. >> i didn't go to harvard. >> you went to more like a -- >> number one team in america. ted cruz on barack obama waking up to these polls. just flat. >> we will start with the polls. with us on set, we have editor and white house correspondent, sam stein. analyst and former chairman of the republican national committee michael steel. treasury official analyst steve

ratner and is julianna goldman. i think ted cruz is having the worst day. >> i don't know. lock at the numbers. >> as we approach the october 1st kickoff, polls show discontent of the president's handling of health care and a host of other issues. a poll shows upside doup, 43-49. a two-year worst. on foreign policy, the economy and iran relations and handling of syria and budget deficits, his disapproval numbers are higher than -- >> foreign policy only 40 approve and 49 disappear. only 41 approve and disapprove on health care. only 40 approve, 54 disapprove. iran relations 39-44. the handling of syria, a lot of

liberal friends that will work out well even though he bungled his way into it. that will help him out. that's the case. 37% support the handling. 52%. >> that's strange because americans got the out come they wanted. >> he looks so ineffective as we said for so long and seems like he didn't know what he was doing. the budget only 35% approve and 54% disapprove. mika, i think beyond all of this that shows have lost the american people are specific polls from bloomberg. >> yes. polls show americans disagree with the white house when it comes to how to avoid a default. 61% said require spending cuts when the debt ceiling is raised even if it risks default. 28% said the full faith and

credit raised the debt ceiling without condition. when it comes to cutting 2/3 of americans preferred targeted cut to the automatic ones in the sequester. 2 throw of americans say the sequester did not have an impact on their family. when it comes to who's responsible for washington dysfunction, congressional republicans now take the blame, but back in february, president obama was nine points better on that. >> democratic presidents are used to being in the strong position when they go up against republicans on whether it's government shutdowns or raising the debt ceiling. of course it has been cut in half. a lot of it said it's going to happen anyway. the sequester has been in place and now the white house still finds itself in difficult position. the president's position is i'm not negotiating. i'm going to raise the debt

ceiling. i will not negotiate. this latest poll shows 61% of americans are saying yes, you are. you are with the republicans on this issue. >> i am surprised by these numbers and one of the things is that the country did not have the appetite for another round of this emotional turmoil. this complicates that a little bit. i still think when it comes down to it if they were supporting default on the debt in exchange for spending cuts, in the end they will say let's not risk the u.s. government. they need to do something that earns back their trust. the people are not happy with the performance of the level and we have seen this. >> he had a 234rury of terrible polls.

at the white house, the white house made the decision to pick up the phone and call john boehner. hang up the phone. everybody heard that. in retrospect, looking at the polls, maybe that was not a smart political move. no smarter than saying we were excited about meet the president of iran and he snubbed us. >> that was part of the negotiation process. >> we are not figure to negotiate. then we get this. >> i'm not sure the white house would say it's the wrong political move. i'm not sure this plays out when jack lew is saying the trashy secretary that the u.s. is only going to have $30 billion left at that point to pay bills. you are going to hear from the white house next woke and starting to make a stronger case for why it's so important not to negotiate on the debt ceiling. one of the reasons we see the numbers reflected in the poll is there is a sense of market complacency.

the markets are freaking out and they are trying to walk this fine line and scare everyone, but not get everyone too scared. >> a little bit, not too much. are you scared? is? >> please don't say that. >> let's be more specific. what the white house is saying is two complementary things. they will negotiate over the government shut down which is in front. the debt ceiling is like negotiating with terrorists. you can't do that. >> like barack obama was a terrorist in 2006 when he said he refused to raise the debt ceiling? >> no. >> that wasn't an act of terrorism when the president did it as senator, but it is an act of terrorism as the president? >> it's complicated.

>> so you were on the hill yesterday and talking to members of the administration. it is ugly. >> exactly. that's the point. there is not an obvious escape route. what the republicans are asking for is to defund obama care. there is no way the administration is going to do that. they are not saying we want to cut one, two, three and the republicans are saying we want four, five, and six. there is not a lot. even though that vote yesterday accelerates the timing of the vote on the continued reds losing, there is not a lot of time. >> on obama care and is the republicans realize what ted has done, he actually has a lot of conservatives said made it more difficult for them. they will probably have to move a little bit closer on that issue than they are on the debt ceiling. i think they will resolve that issue. the obama care issue.

ted cruz messed it up so badly. obviously the house has their version. >> the house has a version of obama care. >> there is going to have to be a compromise. nobody believes they are going to defund obama care. >> the house will introduce a bill in the next day or two for the debt limit. it will include a host of conservative grab bag items and that will in turn persuade the conservatives to say the cr tight and we will fund the government. we are going to fight over the debt limit. i think it's worse. >> do you know what they are asking for? >> we had it up on the screen, sam. >> do you agree with me that the obama care stuff, we will figure out a way to resolve that and

they will fight over the debt limit. >> do they fight with the debt limit? >> i think what's going to happen is the government will shut down and they will negotiate over the shut down. if they are lucky, they will get a deal that will avoid the debt ceiling. yoepg it's in their interest to negotiate on that. >> michael steel, let's go to the circuit. after 21 plus hours of talking, ted cruz finally resigned hads position on the senate floor, but not before making one more pop culture reference. >> i will confess that rebel yon against depression conjured up to me. fighting against the empire. i am your father. this is a fight to get the washington establishment the empire to listen to the people. just like in "star wars" movies,

the empire will strike back. >> he's not well. >> 21 hours of straight talking. >> mike lee, i am your father? >> i thought this was mike lee. mike lee would be the emperor here and he would be darth. >> and you are worried about the president? the filibuster had little to no impact on his republican colleagues who questioned the merit of his speech. >> obviously we would like to defund the law entirely. there is a math problem with that in the senate. there 54 democrats and 46 republicans. >> if we were to shut down the government because we refused to pass a continuing resolution to keep the government operating, obama care still gets funded.

>> tom coburn said i love their vigor and spirit, but to be told we are not listening to somebody who is not listening is disconcerting. senator ron johnson had stats saying this is not a situation where you dig your heels in and obama care gets defunded. people are willing to vote, that's true. i wish it were true. i hope he convinces five senators to vote with us and i just don't think that's going to happen. rick harry had this to say. there is still time to fix obama care and the idea that you have to defund government over one program is a bit nonsensical. rick perry. and they had one big problem. his lnchs to nazi germany. >> i am resoundingly rejecting that allegation. that allegation in my view doesa

i great disservice. i do not agree with that compare know so. i think it's wrong. do not begrudge senator cruz or any other senator who wants to come and talk as long as they want to, as long as they can depending on the rules of the senate, but i do disagree strongly toally that there people today who are like those who prior to world war ii didn't stand up and oppose the atrocities that were taking place in europe. >> and the editor of the national review online writes replace the law, replace the strategy. we wish we could say that cruz and allies devised a workable strategy of their own. instead they want republicans to refuse to vote for any legislation to fund the government unless it denies funds to obama care. the history of shutdowns of 1995

and 96, the real history and not the revisionist version that some have persuaded themselves to believe suggests that this plan is unlikely to work. it could even help president obama whose numbers have been falling all year to make a come become and give a lift to his agenda. >> you have a review with george will, tom coburn, charles who last night on special report he said where is ted cruz in 2009 when the republicans were fighting tooth and nail to kill obama care? you can go down the list of conservatives, realists, people in the middle of the republican party and people on the right. ron johnson, tea party guy. a week ago everybody said this is a republican civil war. this is ted cruz and a handful

of republican senators, some of whom want to be elected president in 20 escape, against the world. >> what's your point. >> i am just saying there is no civil war. >> there is to a certain degree. keep in mind all the folks you just named, ted cruz can give a rat's patooty about that. he is not worried about who these people think of him. it's not a question of worry. it's a question of speaking to a constituency that elected him partly. reinforces him nationally. i think some of that you saw reflected in the poll numbers. you start looking at the full faith and credit where the american people reflected in the numbers think that full faith and credit was in jeopardy. >> do these people think that tom coburn is a rhino?

do they think that? >> some do. >> do they think ron johnson is a rhino? >> some do. >> do they think scott walker is? >> some do. >> do they think -- >> who are these people? >> let me explain to you. anybody who is listening. if these people, if charles crab hammer is not a true republican and paul ryan is not a true republican and tom coburn is not a true other than and scott walker is not a true republican, i have got bad news for them. they are in the wrong party. they are the ones who were not republicans. >> coming up on "morning joe." a story involving twitter. mayor corey booker and a vegan strip club? is it. >> not that i know anything about that, but yeah. >> that's not a fight for vegas. >> you go in and you what?

eat salad? why are you coming to me? is. >> i don't know if my fiance's bachelor party if i prefer him to go to a vegan strip club. >> mike allen apparently is going to explain this. how awkward. later, peter king joins us from capitol hill and why he said the attempt to define obama care is a form of governmental terrorism. but first here's bill with a check on the forecast. >> that's it? that's all you got for me? with the lead in of a vegan strip club? as we go throughout this week, we are watching a storm in the rockies. snow is falling in northern portions of the rockies which areding montana and yellowstone park. it's the ski season under way and the skiers start getting happy about that. we would like to turn the ac off in texas. not today.

it's 75 to start your morning and it will be a warm afternoon. near record highs today. many areas of texas. thif for dallas and minneapolis, you can be chilly this time of year. 81 and sunny in the twin cities. not bad today. as far as what's going to happen, if this is as good of a week as we get, 75 to 81 degrees. little if any airport concerns. afternoon storms in florida. about it. it being wells nice to fly in and out of every airport across the lower 48. that includes new york city. what a great schedule. it may not rain for another week. enjoy. you are watching "morning joe." run, go, go! did he just fumble? "i" formation! "i" formation! we have got to get the three-technique block!

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>> we will start with the l.a. times. this is great news. california governor jerry brown signed a bill into law raising the minimum wage to $10 an hour by 2016. it should be doubled. >> never happy. never happy. >> beginning in 2014 with an increase to $9 followed by the final hike in 2016. he believes it's his moral responsibility to give people in california the chance to earn a living wage. >> that's great. i think there will be small businesses in california that

feel it's their moral responsible to leave california. >> the "new york times" indicates detroit's pension fund spent well more than retirees and workers for decades, costing the city billions of dollars. they said that excess pension payment costs detroit nearly $2 billion over the course of 23 years. during some years, excess payments cost more than $100 million and payments were more than twice the necessary amount and you wonder why detroit is in the mess it's in. >> "usa today" reveals 15% of american adults don't go online. >> they are very smart. >> they include the elderly, the poor and the less educated while some cited lack of access, cost is a bigger concern. more than half of the off line adults said they would need

assistance to go online in the future. >> the u.s. postal service is proposing a hike to stamps that could raise the price to 49 cents. in addition, package rates would also increase. this would raise $2 billion in revenue and requires approval from the postal regulatory commission with federal law. rates can't rise above the rate of inflation. >> that's rough. >> you raise prices and you have fewer and fewer people. >> exactly. that is correct. here on the set this morning -- >> here's a lot to talk about. we have two choices here. the letter is g. you can do virginia or the second choice is vegan strip club. >> i want to do both.

>> can we start with vegan strip club? >> it's called the geek team. >> ken cuccinelli and mcauliffe went head to head. >> he gets into office and runs and serves the agenda. let it be women's health center. that would make the pill illegal. he referred to them as selfless human beings. the violence against women was being reauthorized. 47 attorney generals signed the letter, violence against women, not controversial. he is one of three who refused to sign it. >> the comparison here is someone who told the "new york

times" you help me, i help you. that's politics. talking about a case where he was an unindicted coconspirator in a teamster's election money laupdering case. if terry is elected governor, we have to change the motto to quid pro quo. >> according to an nbc poll, he leads cuccinelli 43 to 38%. a reversal. >> this was the biggest night televised. this is the biggest race of the year. chris christie will win in new jersey and set. >> chris's poll numbers, we saw some yesterday. they are outrageous. just high. chuck todd, the moderator set it up boy pointing out that $20 billion spent, 25% of the ads

have been negative. they are troo iing to convince them not to believe what they have been seeing. ment in the opening and closing statement, they saw mark warner, the governor who was popular and governed in a bipartisan way. trying to get the attention off of him in his polls. his closing line is i will tight for you, terry. we will fight for terry. >> according to the poll out of new jersey, speaking of women, chris christie 61% and his opponent 32% among women. chris christie leading in new jersey. a pro life candidate. overwhelmingly pro choice state. 69-26 among men. that's unbelievable. including 45 to 47 among democrats. >> you have seen his ads on

"morning joe." they emphasize reaching across the table and what he accomplished in sandy. his plan is to pull out and have a great national message. i came in as a different kind of republican. i won twice in this very difficult state and i can do the same nationally. >> chris christie proves working with the other side. republican governors across america know what to do. there is a reason why the numbers have gone up. there is a reason why. bob donald, the crisis he had. his numbers were unbelievably strong. >> he ran the democrat issue. >> bobs for jobs. there is a way forward for republicans. >> while we are looking at those poll numbers, we know that corey booker loves social media. >> he's a big twitter. >> his interactions included a

stripper from oregon named lindsay lee. first reported back in february that booker sent her a private message. twitter is not private, guys. he said the east coast loves you and by the east coast i mean me. >> is this a vegan stripper? >> well, i'm blushing now with a smiley face. he said it's only fair. they appeared in the twitter movie follow friday. lindsay lee works at a strip club called casa diablo. >> oh, yes. >> that claims to be the first vegan strip club in the world. the mayor talks with people from all walks of life. >> the most shocking part of the

story is learning that there is a vegan strip club in portland? >> is it that shocking to learn there is a vegan strip club in portland. >> the east coast loves you and when i say the east coast that means me. what's going on? >> you can't just say this may be another anthony wiener crisis and corey booker and a stripper. some of the most respected journalist in washington are strippers. this is a good example from miami. >> oh, mike. you remembered the name? >> you remembered her name. >> she probably follows lindsay lee on twitter. >> i don't think she is vegan. >> you look up in her twitter

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>> to express your opposition to obama care, you go with a book about a stubborn joke who decides he hates something before he tried it. when he finally does get a taste, he has to admit after tasting it, this is pretty good. >> welcome back to "morning joe." 34 past the hour.

congressman i will keep you back on the show. governmental terrorism. >> you are sitting there and you get all revved up. one guy like himself, ted cruz now. you regret talking about governmental terrorism? >> the fact is that if you don't defund and repeal the news, we will shut the government down. that's the bottom line. that to me is not what democracy is about. you don't threaten to shut the government down. especially in the strategy you are following doomed to failure. he did as far as i'm concerned tremendous damage in the republican party. you are poisoning the debate and we wasted a week now on this

when we could be addressing the real issues of the resolution and the debt ceiling that are important. instead of going off and talking about dr. seuss. >> we will talk about those and the bottom line is, is he a fraught? >> yes, he is. what i'm saying directly is what other people like tom coburn that he is pursuing a policy that is not honest. that's not going to work. it goes for a long two or three or four minute explanation and start off by saying he is selling it to the american people and using that over the summer to put pressure on solid conservative republicans in their districts. pushing him to the point where they didn't support. they were not real conservatives and not real republicans. that puts them to face a primary from the right when they are extremely conservative

themselves and wouldn't follow ted cruz's path. now we are in the situation and that's his fault and allowing you to go this far. >>. >> you talk about com coburn. he has the highest rating index. the united states senate and he is being attacked. you have tom coburn and the editorial page, the bible for conservatives and especially economic conserve 2i678. it's where i start my day every morning. this was just a stunt for cable tv and to get more people. steve ratner and the national review said it was a terrible stunt. scott walker and george, you name it. the conservatives are saying the same thing.

>> we agree on that, but let's look ahead. we have the debt ceiling and the continuing resolution in front of us. a lot of us are spending the morning discussing this. a lot of us are confused about what the republicans are going to do. are you going to not pass the senate version of the cr and let the government shut down or pass a clean cr and wait to fight it out on the debt ceiling. what is the republican strategy at this point? >> i don't want to get in john boehner's way. they said we should move on from that and go to the debt ceiling. i don't want to get in the way of a conference this morning. we will find out what's going to happen. my bottom line is we cannot allow that to shut down. i don't want the government to shut down. they are saying that the

president should come to the table and negotiate. we can have meaningful negotiations over the debt ceiling. we are on firmer ground and a lot more progress can be made especially low that the polling wants to negotiate. >> good to see you. i want to follow-up on joe's pinpoint just now about the leading conservatives and the voice that they walked to this conversation. how do you see this being reconciled across the party with the activists who are standing behind him and giving the kind of national momentum to go out irrespective of what people in washington are saying. how do you see it being reconciled within the party? it will be hard for you guys in at this time house to actual low come to the table and get this thing done if you don't begin to heal some of these tensions

about what the next step should be. >> i don't know if it's possible to heat tensions with ted cruz. the reason i say that is he seems intent on doing what he has to do without regard to the party or the senate. what we have to do is reach out to his people and let them know they are following a false leader here. at the path he is giving them, it sounds seductive. tom coburn mentioned something about the phone calls coming to the office. people call me whatever they want. we have young women in the office and answering the phone calls. i haven't heard such vile obscene language. i am not saying ted cruise is responsible, but he tapped into a dark strain here in the american committal psyche here. the most obscene subject you can imagine and often people say

they support the constitution. say that. i would say the majority of supporters are good people. i had good republicans come up to me and say defund it. that's all you have to do. >> that's horrible. >> sam? >> i'm switching back to the debt limit. the house vote will include a one-year delay in implementation. $120 million cuts and the construction of keystone pipeline and more offshore drilling and federal regulations on grown house gasses and the possibility of a late term abortion. why not include language invalidating that and secondly, is this not an unreasonable opening bid for an author on something everyone agrees needs to be raised. >> i hadn't thought about the 2012 election. >> that's included. >> no problem.

very seriously, this is all accurate and we will talk about this in the next hour or so. they should lay out items that can't be negotiated. i don't want that to get if their way, but once you get into a room and negotiate and put these on the table and see where it goes from there, it gives both sides an opportunity to move towards the center. i don't want to question anyone's skills. let's see where it ends up and i don't think any of those is a drop dead item. take it over or leave it. it does show that there can be some significant negotiations and talks on the debt limit and that's where it should go. nobody is 100%. he should be on top of the world. i disagree with you. i don't check the "wall street journal." i listen to you every morning. >> that's what you should do because i read the "wall street journal." i read it so you don't have to.

wait, what was the knock in alabama? he always attacks me. he thought i was getting a little ted cruzzish in 1995 and he accused me of walking out of tent revivals barefoot. big yankee. >> you need to -- check if you are wearing socks or not. >> i hope not. >> i want to hear constituents don't wear socks either. >> all right. let's go now. congressman king, thank you very much. unemployment applications fall to the lowest level in nearly six years. we have the numbers next in business before the bell. if there was a pill

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>> maybe as beautiful inside as outside. jobless claims as you noted before the break, coming in at six-year lows, well below the estimate. 305,000. we want to get those filings. we are getting closer and the four-week moving average is the lowest since june of 2007. this is a clean number. the last couple of weeks, computer problems with california and nevada. those problems are solved. this is indeed a clean number. 305,000. well better than expected. maybe as beautiful inside the market today as outside. >> so cheesy. >> this is definitely good news. we had a slightly disappointing unemployment number last time around, but in light of everything that has gone on in washington this is very good news indeed. >> yeah, but not maybe good news if are apple users. i don't know if you downloaded

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