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budget bill all the way down to the wire. >> the president says i'm not going to negotiate. well, i'm sorry but it just doesn't work that way. >> the president's prescription, keep trying to sell the affordable health care act or obama care. >> some have threatened a government shutdown if they can't shut down this law. others have threatened an economic shutdown by refusing to pay america's bills if they can't delay the law. that's not going to happen as long as i'm president. >> iran's president rouhani calls for elimination of nuclear weapons but will tehran come clean? the first test comes this afternoon. iran's foreign minister will be meeting with john kerry and fellow security councilmembers. >> i'll let you know if they are serious. i think they are going to be. we're going to have a good meeting. >> coming up here kerry's french

partner foreign minister fab ias. >> we shall see it probably in the near future. and good day. i'm andrea mitchell in new york digging in. president obama says his health care law is here to stay. the house speaker says republicans will not rest until it's reputed. racial maddow joins me now. >> feels like it's going to happen. >> deja vu all over again as jogi berra would say.

we thought as the senate is clearing the way, stripping the stripping out of health care to the senate, sending it back over to the house. john boehner says they won't send it as a clean bill in the senate. >> no matter what happens in the senate the house is going to make sure we have a shutdown no matter what. >> what are they thinking. >> on the republican side, the negotiations on what they seem to be having about what they are doing next, what they are saying they are going to do next seem to be evolving faster than public pronouncements confirm the whole idea let ted cruz have the long speech in the senate, vote will happen when it's supposed to happen, that will give john boehner enough time to move. john boehner says it doesn't matter i'm not moving anyway. then why did you let senate republicans waste their breath, make public pronouncements, have all those fights with each other if it's irrelevant. i'm very interested to know if there is somebody on the republican side who has an idea

about what to do here and can enact the idea. i'm not sure anybody is in charge. >> john barron is speaker of the house. he's looking over his shoulder, cantor and others are waiting for him to fall. but at some point the house speaker has to show some leadership. >> john boehner speaks like a leader. today the comments that you played in the introduction here, he talks like a man in charge. the problem is that what he says has no bearing on what the republicans in his caucus do. so he ends up being just one speaker among many. an uncapitalized speaker. he's in the house, speaking, therefore he's a speaker. nobody seems to be able to say with any certitude what the republicans will do next. you look at all the previous shutdown confrontation that is we've had in the past. it was ronald reagan and tip o'neill, bill clinton and newt gingrich. this time it's barack obama and

whoever happens to be booked on fox tonight. there really is nobody speaking for what they will do. that makes negotiations hard in theory let alone in practice. >> in the past we thought mitch mcconnell, joe biden would save the day, work it out on the senate side. now we have mitch mcconnell primaried, facing a tough democratic opponent if he gets past the primary. who is in charge with ted cruz, the other side. >> what's remarkable, the senate isn't really the problem. the senate is making a lot of noise. for example we have 21-hour long floor speech dfw it was fun. >> it was fun. i enjoy the spectrum of a standing walking filibuster because you have to do it because it makes people pay attention. good for him he gave 21-hour speech. his 21-hour speech was about blocking for a bill.

when the speech was done he voted for the bill. what was that about? it's been fun to watch but in consequential procedurally. we have no idea what will happen and neither does john boehner. that's difficult for the country to be in, it will be materially hard for the nation. >> the reason people aren't seized with this, they always work it out. there's always a christmas deadline, they will extend it by 30 days, 60 days, so people don't seem to be focusing on this yet. the debt ceiling is where the rubber meets the road. jack lew says earlier in october they run out of cash. it's a cash flow problem. if things are attached to that debt ceiling and we start looking at another downgrading of the u.s. economy, that's really serious stuff. that's your 401(k). >> that's stuff that doesn't get reversed even if retroactively

fixed. when we had a credit downgrade as a nation, minor and controversial one, that's something that has consequences in a way that takes years, maybe decades to grow out of. you look back at the way ronald reagan invade in the '80s against messing with the debt ceiling. really messing with it? just taking reagan's arguments alone about the harm to the nation ought to be convincing to anybody on any part of the political spectrum as long as you love this country and as long as you don't want to wantonly inflict harm that's very hard to grow out of. the shutdown thing, i believe that's going to happen. i realize that's not aiousally held view. i think the shutdown will happen and when we get close to the debt ceiling having shut down government we'll be in a crisis mode. that will be an adult moment for

the nation. >> speaking of adult moments, you're an adult, we should join forces. there's no reason for the debt ceiling. it's not in the constitution. this should not be happening all the time. we should figure this out. >> we established it in statute the way we did so we would have to talk about the debt every time it comes around. when we talk about the debt we go crazy. we can't handle it. it could be done away with it. nancy pelosi said president obama should ignore. >> blow through it. >> the president said he didn't want to do that on constitutional grounds when we've previously been here. this time looks like we're going to hit it and he's going to have to reconsider. >> jimmy kimmel had a wonderful take on ted cruz. >> yes. >> watch. >> they are planning to run it again as a special over the weekend. >> tomorrow on c-span, 21 hours of uninterrupted ted, cruz

palooza, nonsensical highlights. >> some time ago i tweeted a speech that ashton kutcher gave. >> all the bad impressions. >> spike lee, i am your father. >> inside info you won't get anywhere else. >> i'm a big fan of eating white castle burgers. >> cruzapalooza, only on the c. >> this is my idea of a new cable show. >> when you are dorks like us about congressional procedure this doesn't seem like a joke. i was into that. >> we watch you, rachel maddow, thank you very much. 9:00 tonight. be there. >> appreciate it. >> thank you. secretary kerry is going to be meeting later today with iran's foreign minister joining other security councilmembers and this will be the highest level meeting between the u.s. and iran in years. joining me now is the state

department spokeswoman. thank you very much. great to see you. >> great to be here. >> i know you've had a million meetings but this afternoon it's big. >> a marathon. >> the secretary is going to be meeting with the so-called permanent five members of the security council plus germany and then the iranian foreign minister zarif is going to join this meeting. do you think at this stage they can get anything done on iran's suspected nuclear program given all the things president rouhani has been saying all over town? >> there's no question there's a new opportunity with the rouhani administration. the secretary feels that way and president feels that way. the question is whether they can follow their rhetoric and follow their enthusiastic language with action. that's what we're waiting to see. tonight is going to be a first test of that proposition. >> rouhani gave a speech today at the united nations and said we should get rid of all nuclear weapons, a nuclear ban.

then perhaps very cleverly tried to put pressure on israel saying israel should join nuclear nonproliferation treaty as iran has. there have, of course, been suggestion iran cheats on it, that israel should join, israel has a secret program no one wants to acknowledge. fair point? >> we've certainly supported all countries joining the npt. what we're talking about here is concern around the world about creation of a nuclear weapon by iran. that's why we're having this conversation. that's why there's so much focus and that's what the focus of the meeting will be with the secretary and other leaders around the world and secretary of iran, of course. >> one of the things that's happened with president rouhani is he says something and has to worry about the hard-liners back home. i was at a meeting with him yesterday morning and he spoke very eloquently about the holocaust and completely broke with what mahmoud ahmadinejad

said, his predecessor, win a few minutes or others the official news agency back home said that's not what he said, not what he said to cnn, starts reediting what was an official translation. so is he walking a real tightrope here? >> there's no question president rouhani has some challenging politics back home. if you look what happened last week with a handshake or not handshake, we saw that in play. but at the same time we see there's an opportunity, both the united states does and clearly iran does on some level given he ran on an economic platform, country is krmd by economic sanctions and motivation here. today's meeting is about seeing if they are serious, back up language, rhetoric with action. we'll see. time will tell. >> how will we know? how soon will we know? do you think we'll have a pretty good indication after today's meeting whether this is going to be stretched out for months and month? >> we certainly don't think we're going to resolve decades

old issue in a short 30-minute meeting. nobody has that expectation, so this is the beginning of a path forward or that's what our hope is. the political directors will be meeting later in october and hopefully will talk about a framework moving forward. the question is is iran going to come back with a credible proposal. we'll see. we're waiting as well. >> jen, it's a windy day over at the u.n. on this side of town. thank you very much. >> thank you, andrea. >> coming up, jordan's prime minister joining us next in the studio. but dave letterman, take a look. >> they have been promoting this. take a look at this thing. watch this. >> for more than 60 years leaders across the globe have met in one place. this week the excitement begins.

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news the united states and russia have resolved most of their differences, certainly their differences over how to enforce syria's ban on chemical weapons through a carefully worded security council resolution. meanwhile syrians say a war is creating a humanitarian crisis of vast proportions. hundreds of thousands of refugees spilling over borders into neighboring states. what is president obama's decision not to use military

force meant to syria's neighbors like jordan. joining me now jordan's minister of foreign affairs, nasser judeh. thank you. were you taken by surprise by president obama's decision not to use airstrikes against the regime. >> it's not a surprise, it's the president's decision. obviously that gave birth to a heavy duty diplomatic initiative where the russians and americans have agreed to resolve this question of chemical weapons. opposition is very, very clear as a country that is neighboring syria, a war on the use of chemical weapons several years ago and called it a game changer. game changers can go in different directions. it's sercertainly a game change. i'm sure the whole region and the world would feel safer about

eliminating these chemical weapons or the threat. we have to look at the overall situation and ensure it's the political solution that kicks in to end the violence and killing and restore stability to our country. >> but living right next door and having so many refugees living in jordan now, 22% of your population, would it have been better for the president to have punished the assad regime with airstrikes right after that horrific chemical attack? does there not need to be that kind of warning once those weapons are used? >> i'm not going to go down that road. certainly i would not presume and i'm certainly not in a position to say he should or shouldn't have. all i'm saying it gave birth -- the threat gave birth to this diplomatic initiative. now we're seeing russians and americans and remaining p 3 talking about resolution for the first time in two and a half years, with all the failed attempts at resolutions, all the

vet vetos, now we're having concession about something. this is the entry point, implementation of what was agreed on in geneva one hopefully through geneva 2. >> being the peace negotiations that have been delayed for months but we hope will happen. >> that's right. but on geneva 2, geneva 2 i think has to have one specific objective and that is implementation of operative phrase of geneva one, that is establishing a transitioning governing body with mutual consent and for the transfer of authority of if that is implemented in the overall context, good for everybody. >> for assad. >> what was clear in geneva one and leading to geneva 2, full transfer of executive authority. has to be through negotiations with assad. >> on the chemical weapons because that has been the biggest threat to you. do you think they can actually be contained? can they be collected, disarmed,

disabled? is that realistic given how difficult it's been for the united states and russia to get rid of them in the last 20 years. >> we had always warned the threat, use of chemical weapons in the context of syria and what's happening, what's been happening in syria for a couple of years is, a, to have chemical weapons used against the population or using them against neighboring companies or falling into the wrong hands, extreme terrorists or falling into extremely well intentioned or extremely inexperienced hands. all four scenarios were ominous as far as we were concerned. as far as jordan is concerned, there's a contiguous country and being a down wwind country, we know this. secretary kerry when he announced said it was going to be complicated. they have a timeframe, made progress in terms of accounting of the stockpiles. it's not going to be easy, it's

a tal order but everybody is focused on resolving this. >> the president said in his speech to the united nations, his second priority is middle east peace. kerry is working hard, i know you're briefed by special envoy yesterday. you talked. how possible is it do you think to make progress on this. >> i hope it's not second priority, i hope it's on equal footing with the first priority. in jordan we keep reminding the world we are not just an observer or mediator but stakeholder. it's our higher interest to see the conflict resolved, particularly palestinians. the establishment of independent contiguous vibe in the state. for the whole region. the unleashing of the potential. look, we've seen failed attempts and false starts, many downs

much more than ups in 45 years or whatever of conflict. this seems to be a real effort with total dedication by all the parties. the stars are aligned. there have been several rounds of negotiations now. sticking to the ground rules. details not leaked. no negotiations across the airwaves. i think there's progress being made. we have every interest in seeing this through. so many times in the past the parties got so close to the finish line but were unable to cross it. with the guidance and laser beam attention of secretary kerry. i call it laser beam because he's spending so much time, effort and political will on this, i think we can be encouraged. i want to stay away from optimistic or pessimistic, we can be encouraged things are heading the right way. >> thank you very much. has it's ups and downs.

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that newly released video you saw first here reveals details about last week's navy yard shooting. pete williams joins me from washington. pete, as you look through this, more importantly as the fbi looks through this video, what have they learned about the shoot are and about the incident? brf the video we only see a tiny bit of it. the fbi removes any doubt there was more than one shooter, any doubt victims were killed with the shotgun he was carrying. most of what we learned came from other materials fbi found in search warrants. the things that were on the gun itself, that he had scratched into the gun over the weekend after he bought it on saturday, these phrases he wrote, better off this way. not what y'all say, end to the torment he wrote on the barrel. my elf.

we heard about that last week. they found other documents that answer the question of what that was. he was obviously mentally disturbed and thought his thoughts were concerned by elf transmissions. they quote something he wrote in one of the electronic media he found. here is what he wrote. he said ultralow frequency attack is what i've been subject to for the last three months. to be perfectly honest, that is what has driven me to this. so it resolves any doubt of really the why, question you have been wondering in the past 10 days. >> pete, you also had a chance to talk to eric holder about n ken kenya, the other big story you've been involved. there's reports america has been involved. >> no, the answer is no. we've been told for the past several days the u.s. has no information about that. on a news cancer on an unrelated

subject, the attorney general said the same thing. he said we have no indication americans are involved but we don't know who was involved. we can't say for sure americans were or were not involved. partly it's a matter, he said of getting access to the physical evidence, forensics involved. i asked one official, why can't you just tell from those in custody. the person described them as somali kids lacking identification. it's going to be apparently a difficult matter to find out who they reallyare. they don't have id. their fingerprints may not match anything of the attorney general did say today, we asked whether the kenyan government had given us informally some indication americans were involved and he said no. >> so interesting. it was the foreign minister here in new york who first raised that whole issue. but obviously there's a disconnect there at some level. thanks very much, pete williams. we'll be right back. [ male announcer ] what?! investors could lose

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at the u.n. today iran's president rouhani said disarmament remains the highest priority. >> indefinite possession of nuclear weapons cannot be toll lated nor can their complete elimination be further delayed. >> can iran be trusted? a key player in upcoming talks, france's foreign minister i sat down to talk about his impressions of iran's new leader? >> what is my impression? i think the words are new and words are important, but

actions, it matters. >> it's meaningful. because of the new election, the president, the rain people want to. we have to be precise about two issues, syria, is it possible to build something with iranian, they are part and parcel of the conflict. the main one is nuclear case. we have started to discuss about it. we have to be clear. irani people have a right to use civil nuclear energy, but military, no. therefore they say they accept the idea of not to have nuclear military energy, not to have a

bomb. if it's the case, we shall see it. >> president rouhani says they have every right to have this nuclear energy. they have been completely transparent. they have season everything they have got to atomic energy agency. >> we have been discussing for 10 years the negotiations were not fruitful, the reason why we decided sanctions. because of of sanctions now they want to change. meantime the number of reactors they have given up. therefore, one has to be clear. you are pregnant or you aren't pregnant. you can't be half pregnant. if they don't want -- if they accept not to have the nuclear bomb, it will be not simple but it will be reasonably easy to know that. they have to be completely up front and have to renounce to

the perspective of having the bomb. we have see it probably in the near future. >> and prime minister netanyahu is coming next week. he says this is all -- what would you say about whether this new iranian leader can be truthed on this issue. >> probably three weeks ago we discussed that matter. he's careful. he's right to be careful. there's no possibility of being trapped with such a serious thing as nuclear bomb. if the iranians are honest in what they say, we shall know it reasonably quickly. >> the new president of war says he wants peace and speaks out against war mongering, but there are 10,000 hezbollah fighters loyal to iran in syria. are they part of the solution or

are they part of the problem? >> part of the problem. in recent attacks, they were hezbollah. we have to have a mixture between the syrian case and lebanon situation. the idea of bashar is to export the problem. on the country we say lebanon has to leave. we just had a meeting about lebanon. lebanon is in a terrible situation. 25 percent of the population comes from syria. you can imagine what it means, refugees. enormous consequences on the economy and security. >> do you think u.s., russian agreement banning chemical weapons can be enforced? do you think assad will live up to it? >> i am pretty optimistic.

i think, i hope not to be disappointed, i think we shall have an agreement about the chemical into a resolution. >> you think vladimir putin will go along with it? >> yes. if his minister agrees, because mr. putin agrees. another point is to comply with it and hope russia and syria will comply with it. but meanwhile we are discussing about chemical, but the fighting keeps on. every day we have hundreds of people killed. >> you're trying to create a peace conference in geneva. >> in geneva. >> should iran be part of the negotiations. >> i have discussed that with my counterpart and said to him, you can be provided that you agree with the aim of the conference. the aim of the conference, it's very precise, to build a

transitional government with full executive power by mutual consent. what does it mean? it means the region one the one hand, we have to find a government with full executive power. the power at present obtained by mr. ahmadinejad. i said that to irani. they said to me they would be helpful whether they are in or out. i think, i hope it's true, if accept this program, i think thaef place in the country. >> thank you very much. a lot of challenges ahead. thank you for what you're doing and thanks for being with us. >> thank you so much. just a few hours, he will be

with john kerry meeting with zarif to find out what iran is really going to say. and sad news to report evelyn lowry, a civil rights icon died. lowy found the leadership conference for women. making sure women had a voice in the civil rights movement. she was married, of course, to the president reverend joseph lauer lowry -- evelyn lowery was 88 years old. this is for you.

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congress needs to put an end to governing from crisis to crisis. our focus as a country should be on creating new jobs and growing our economy and helping young people learn and restoring security for hardworking middle class families. >> president obama earlier today in maryland campaigning against the government shutdown and all the problems with the health care bill attached to it while texas freshman senator ted cruz has been playing a starring role against the president, not always a welcomed one even within his own party. kay bailey hutchison held his seat before she left last year and now back in dallas. senator, i'm sure you're happy not to be facing this crisis. from a perspective of a few months out of the senate, what did you think of that 21-hour talkaathon that basically went nowhere and then he ended up voting against his own bill. >> andrea, we all have ways to

get our point across. it might not have been the way i would do it. he is a different person and has the ability, of course, to get a message across. i think the bottom line is that congress and the president need to be able to work together. honestly i've heard a lot of debate back and forth, but the president is not making it easy for congress to work with him when he seems to still be campaigning. i think it really means both of them have to come to the table and get through both the continuing resolution and, of course, the debt ceiling. >> is it unrealistic, though, to expect after fighting so hard for his health care bill, fighting an election campaign on it as john mccain said on the floor, that he would now agree to give up on his prize legislative accomplishment? >> that's true. i do think the fact that he,

himself, has delayed the implementation of the corporate responsibility says we need to tweet this. we need to come in. it's not going to be abolished. there are some improvements that could be made. i think one of the things republicans are looking for is to give individuals the same reprieve that corporations are getting, because it's pretty daunting the things that we're hearing about the cost of insurance, the diminishing of care that's going to be offered in many of these plans. i think that something this big, this much impact on our economy should be taken in a slow transition as can possibly be done. >> do you think given how few days are left now that ted krez used up one day or two days and we have to wait for a bill to

come back from the senate to the house and back and forth, with this crisis now moving on monday, is this the time to be dealing with this or do leaders on both sides, the white house and the hill have to sit down and figure things out going forward rather than going from crisis to crisis? >> absolutely. people are so tired of these fiscal cliffs and crisis and down to the last minute deals. i think people in america are sick of that. i do think it's time for the president to get off the campaign trail, for congress to get back and roll up their sleeves and say, okay, mr. president, lets try to do this together and have a way forward. the president should not be saying, i will not negotiate. i mean, he's sort of saying i won the election and i'm not going to negotiate. that's a hard thing for the republicans that want to work with him to stomach and be able to also say what their views

are. you've got to make it easy in a negotiation for both sides to come out with something. the president is not laying that framework very well. yes, they have to get together. they have got to say continuing resolution, debt ceiling, and the reason we're talking about a short-term continuing resolution is because there still is going to have to be negotiation. that's what congress and the president have done since the founding of our constitution. >> wrote the president, let the president suffer from obama care. after scoring some points republicans should vote more in sorrow than anger to fund the government at sequester levels which is already a significant victory and increase the debt ceiling have forced democrats to cramtize their perverse priorities. republicans with turn to completing the neutering of this presidency by winning six senate seats. that was his op-ed today. maybe that's keeping your eye on the ball politically if you're a

republican strategist. >> it is. i saw that article. he's basically saying the old political view when your opponent is digging a hole, let him keep digging and don't help him out. i think more people are learning about the lack of protected they are going to have in obama care, they are learning they are not going to be able to keep health care they want to keep, i think republicans have been very clear, they are not for obama care. not one republican voted for it. they are still very concerned about what this is doing to our economy and to the people that we're trying to help. so let the president argue for obama care, republicans can argue against it. we have an election in 2014. i think people are faced with this going to have a very different view of what this is

doing to our economy. it's the reason we're not seeing jobs being created. people are going to under 30 hours. they are going to under 50 employees. that's what's andrea. that's why republicans are trying to stand up and tell people there is another way. >> thank you very much, senator. good to see you. >> thank you. >> and michael j. fox has a new show on nbc. it features a man going back to work after taking time off to focus on his parkinson's disease. this is a story of art imitating life, since that's exactly what's happened with well-known actor. willie geist spoke to fox about that story line, and it hits close to home for willie because his dad is also living with parkinson's. >> do you even have a sense for the way you've inspired people? >> i don't look at myself as a leader. i do look at myself as part of the community. i'm a visible member of the community. if i can set that example for

people and make them feel that you don't have to shut it down, you don't have to withdraw, you don't have to pull in. but it doesn't have to be life shattering or life ending. just be a new thing that pushes you to a new place. so like when i thought about doing the show, it's like, why not? why can't i? >> he is so inspirational. you can watch "the michael j. fox show" at 9:00 tonight on nbc. it appears our journey has come to a delightful end. then i better use the capital one purchase eraser to redeem my venture miles for this trip. purchase eraser? it's the easy way to erase any recent travel expense. i just pick a charge, like my flight with a few taps, it's taken care of. impressive baldwin. does it work for hotels? absolutely thank goodness. mrs. villain and i are planning our... you scare me. and i like it. let's go what's in your wallet?

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the house probably saturday. house speaker john boehner said today, we're not just going to vote on what the senate did, which means, you guessed it, it will go back to the senate. so, you know, if ever you needed an example of sort of partisanship washington not working the way many people at least hope, i don't know if expect, but hope it would, you're going to see it both in this, the shutdown, showdown, call it whatever you want, and the debt ceiling, which is october 17th we run out of money and run the risk of default with much bigger consequences and bigger stakes. you know, washington hasn't worked all that well the last few years. i think the next 2 1/2, 3 weeks is going to show it's still really not. >> buckle your seat belts. no grown-ups in town. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> that does it for us for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." tomorrow on the show, new york senator kirsten gillebrand. my colleague tamron hall has a

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