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>> i don't know a single thing about obama care because of him. >> i'm ted cruz. >> he doesn't teach. he's a demagog. >> the speaker is trying to head off members of the caucus. >> i said it yesterday, it's not going to happen. >> who is holding who hostage? >> we'll introduce a plan that ties spending cuts and reforms to a debt limit increase. >> they will crash our economy and likely crash the world's economy. >> if he doesn't want to do something, it's on them. >> do not threaten to burn the house down because you haven't gotten 100% of your way. >> this process is not over. >> all right. when the clock strikes midnight this monday, say hello to the first government shutdown in almost 20 years. that outcome seems all but
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inevitable now that the house gop has decided to attach a one-year delay of obama care to its continuing resolution. that's something we all know the democratic led seantd won't accept. with voting set to begin within hours, time is running out to resolve the impasse before right-wing republicans push us over the brink. >> no one gets to threaten the full faith and credit of the united states of america, just to extract idealogical ka concessions. no one gets to hurt our economy and millions of innocent people just because there are a couple of laws that you don't like. it hasn't been done in the past and we're not going to start doing it now. >> no one's shutting down the government, except the president. he's said he won't negotiate. speaker boehner has said he would negotiate. speaker boehner has come up with an alternative. >> oh, with me now, white house communication director jenner
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paul mary. thank you for joining me. >> happy to be here. >> i know you are. >> really happy to be here. >> i bet you really are. it's very shocking. jennifer and i have worked together before and i have to say, having lived through the last government shutdown, i didn't expect we would be here again. since we are, has the president had the opportunity yet to talk with speaker boehner or anyone in the republican or democratic leadership, now that it looks like we're careening towards that cliff? >> well, as we say in the white house press briefing room, i don't have any calls to read out for you right now, karen. >> okay. >> but i think that the introyou did at the top of your show is pretty dead on. the vote that the republicans are likely to take, today probably puts us on a path that could very well lead to a shutdown, which is of grave concern. we think that's still very much avoidable. my experience in these situation system that 48 hours is a very long time.
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so we'd hope that reasonable people would figure out a different way between now and midnight on monday night. and i think it's important to remember that what's standing in the way here is a decision by speaker boehner that he has to only pass a continuing resolution with republican votes. >> right. >> that's not how the congress is supposed to work. there's a majority of people in the house that would pass a clean continuing resolution. it's also important to remember we're not talking about putting together a big complicated budget deal. >> right. >> this is a continuing resolution that is funding the government at its current levels for two months. so in terms of interaction from the administration, we don't feel there's a lot to really talk about here. we're always happy to talk and negotiate a larger package, we've expressed willingness to do that, but this is a pretty small action that the congress should be taking that shouldn't
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be this complicated. >> essentially we're at this point where we're looking at a vote later today, potentially where the republicans led by john boehner could do one of two things, as you said. they could try to pass the clean cr, bring that to the floor. it would probably pass with some democratic support and enough republican support. or they can go forward with let's go careen over the hill. i have a statement from senator harry reid who said the senate will reject any attempt to force changes to the obama care or the debt ceiling. the senate will reject both the one year delay of the medical reform act. we can go one of two ways later today. the expectations is more petulent behavior. it goes to the senate, the senate sends it back to the house. at some point, where does the president say, cut it out, guys,
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we just got to do something? >> you saw the president address this yesterday. in remarks that he gave here in the briefing room. but like i said, this is not something that we're always reminding the press that cover us here, it's not a situation like we had in 2011 where we were trying to negotiate a large deficit reduction package. there's just not a lot to negotiate or talk about. we're just talking about something that -- a continued resolution that lasts for a matter of weeks. >> right. >> and all we're saying, this is not your opportunity to try to leverage this fight to extort some concessions on our side. particularly when it comes to health care, which we're launching on tuesday. >> right. >> and which was discussed a lot during the presidential election in 2012 and we know how that was resolved. so we're not going to refight
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this. >> i think we take that off -- to me, we take that off the table. obama care, the affordable care act, it's happening on tuesday, get over it. it's been voted on. >> it's also tied to the government shutdown. it's absurd they're using that as leverage. >> let's talk about that for just a moment. regardless of what's happening with this madness on the hill, the roll out begins on tuesday. but there have been some reports that already there may be some computer glitches and i'm not talking about some states where conservative republican leaders have actively tried to make it harder for people. literally just computer glitches. is the administration prepared to handle that, handle the messaging to keep people -- they've got to keep signing up, even if there are glitches here and there. >> i say a few things about this. first of all, we definitely feel
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ready and that health care.gov is ready to go. people will be able to get on line tuesday morning and be able to sign up. we also expect there will be glitches and as the president said, this is unlikely to be the first enterprise in history that comes off without a hitch. i think that some of the coverage you've seen in the last week or so about this, is to remind people, we're testing the system, that's what you do to try to anticipate these glitches. and that the other thing people should keep in mind, what we're starting on tuesday is a six-month public education campaign and enrollment package. so part of the reason why it is six months long is so that we do have time to see how enrollment goes and make adjustments along the way. and what happens if you encounter a problem, you pause and you fix it. that's how we will deal with it when we come across problems. but we expect that we will be
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ready to go in that the first few months, you'll see a lot of education campaigns, some advertising around this to educate people, encourage them to sign up. but there's a long-enough time so that we can do the enrollment and the ordering and smart process. >> it's been a long time coming. >> it's really exciting. >> it is. i can remember friends of mine back in the '90s, when in my 20s, who said, i need health care reform to pass. the health care reform hillary clinton was working on, i need a knee operation -- >> it was 20 years ago this week that president clinton gave his speech on health reform. >> we were very young back then in kinder garlten. >> and privileged to be around and watch it. >> thanks so much.
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>> it was fun to be with you, finney. >> take care. joining me, congressman jan cow ski of illinois. thank you for joining me. >> you bet. >> we have the continuing resolution, there's the chance of a vote coming up later. what do we think is likely to happen. let me put it to you congressman rok eata. the senate has already said they will reject anything that in any way, shape, or form, adds to what they've sent over to the house. >> i appreciate that. that's up to the senate. you'll see a vote tonight that is going to be very strong for getting rid of one of the most insidious laws ever devised by man and putting one of the most popular thing that's come through this town and that's repealing the medical device tax, that 79 senators, i believe have all right voted for -- >> how is providing health
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insurance for millions of americans an insidious law? >> because it puts a bureau krat between the patient and the doctor. it drives up health care costs and i'm getting story after story in my office about how people are losing their health care coverage, that their employer is not going to provide it anymore. it's diminishing the 40-hour work week. it's incentivizing a 30-hour work week. the 40-hour week was the backbone of the middle class. but president obama, because of a signature law and his arrogance, 13 times in the last eight months, parts of this law have been delayed. why wouldn't he -- >> here's the concern i have about what you're saying -- >> -- a law that's not ready. >> the data doesn't support what you're saying. for 95% of people, their costs are going to go down. most of the reports indicate, state by state, it will vary, so
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to make a blanket statement. >> there's some propaganda. >> it's not propaganda. -- >> 72% -- >> the state of california, people have already said their rates are going down. and with regard to, you know, this idea about the work week, you had walmart basically decide, you know what, we are going to have to -- we're not going to be able to get by on shorting people's time, and they actually are now having to hire people at full time and provide health insurance because they saw it wasn't working. >> they had to hire more people at part time so the wages that the one person used to get -- >> the research is showing that's not happening. >> i think you're looking at the data that the last woman you spoke with has given you. >> no i'm looking at the data from pretty objective sources. >> i don't think so. >> congresswoman, i want to play something for you and get your
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reaction. it strikes me, it's really about politics, not about policy. it was an interview earlier today about congressman ridel with my colleague that i want to play for you. >> there's a political part to this. >> there's a political part to the whole thing. >> yes. and what's going to happen, we're going to win the senate. and we're then going to be able to do what's best for the american people, which is to get rid of this law. >> so congresswoman, it feels like this is not about policy. it's about politics. this is about how do we keep -- we're talking about a continuing resolution, not even a full bigot. we're talking about kicking the can down the road for political sake in an effort to try to get more republicans elected to get more of their way essentially. >> well, i think if it is a political strategy, it's a very dangerous one. "the wall street journal" editorialized that these kamikazes will end up with the result of an all democratic
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congress. i think that's likely if they do that. and this is to risk the economy, the well being of the united states of america in order to achieve a goal that should be done through regular order. we passed the bill. it was signed by the president. it was ratified by the supreme court as constitutional. this is not the way we decide things here. this is a very dangerous, dangerous strategy, when with the government shuts down, it is likely to do it, because my monday night, it's hard to see how it would continue going. we're going to see, oh, the fiscal times estimates about $150 million a day to shut it down. the department of veterans affairs already said benefits including disability benefits will be held up at the department. meals on wheels and other nutrition programs for pregnant women will be halted at least
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temporarily. we're going to see enormous consequences that real people will feel. the 400 museums and public parks, national parks, that will shut down and perhaps half of the 1.2 million federal -- civilian federal employees that will be laid off. this is what they're doing in order to try and change obama care which isn't going to happen. >> congressman, do that point, you were in the meeting today with the republican caucus. when you made the decision essentially to put forward this proposal with the one-year delay, with the tax, knowing that the senate would reject it, knowing that this would again continue this stand-off, i mean -- >> just because -- >> aren't you in effect essentially by voting for a shutdown? >> i actually agree with jan. it would be terrible if the president and harry reid shut
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down the government. >> but why are you sending them something that you know they're not going to sign? i mean that's the question. you know it's not going to happen. >> the house of representatives is in charge of the purse strings in this country. what we're saying, obama care is not ready for primetime. it should be delayed and not funded for a year, until it gets ready. we're talking a lot more than just computer glitches. we're talking about hurting real families and real individuals because this law is not ready. and that is within our constitutional right. that's our constitutional duty to do that. harry reid and the president are the only ones saying and some senate democrats, except for joe mansion. we have bipartisan support to get this taken care of. the only one saying we're going to shut down the government is harry reid and the president of the united states -- >> i would say to my colleague, good luck selling to the american people that it is not the republicans' fault that the
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government is going to shut down. >> jan, the truth shall set you free. >> and i think the truth is, let's be honest, by sending the senate a measure you know will not succeed, you know will then mean it comes back to you and we have this ping-pong, the government is going to shut down. that's a proactive choice that republicans in congress are making. >> that's our perogative -- >> thank you to congresswoman jan and congressman rack eata. >> ted cruz says his fellow republicans should come on home because they're the ones who are off the reservation. we'll be right back. i'm kind of seeing a...
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that all 46 republicans are united against obama care. >> that's senator ted cruz telling his party to come on home. but exactly where does he live? because if it's in the country, obama care is the law of the land and no matter what he says, it's not going anywhere. but forget the real world. cruz lives in a world where he can give a fake filibuster as the clock ticks down to a government shutdown. something even rand paul doesn't think is worth doing over defunding obama care. so we've come to this. joining me now is the national reviews washington editor robert costa and democratic strategist doug parnell. hello, gentlemen. we are potentially on the verge of a vote that we know will lead to a shutdown. we said, let's take a step back here on how we got here, the
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cruz filibuster. if you compare the two filibusters, senate cruz's faux buster, the purpose was to delay a vote on a continuing resolution. the result, nothing happened. versus at least rand paul he was trying to block the nomination of john brennan for cia director. he did delay the vote and some people ended up agreeing with rand paul on some of the points that he made. >> well, and also, senate cruz negotiated that whole performance with senator reed before happened. then he turned around after 20-plus hours and voted with everyone else to begin debate. he was filibustering the house bill, which is what he wanted. a full repeal of obama care. it was totally ridiculous. i think this really begins over
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the summer where jim dement began a tour around the country to amp up the republican base, to push senators to begin this negotiation, or the debt crisis. and ted cruz is kind of senator jim demint's altar boy. he's carrying that water, the water of heritage and a lot of other special interests. >> and we saw there was a story yesterday suggesting that the speaker of the house, that's not so good for boehner. it strikes me that when you look at what senator cruz is doing here, he's really created a lot of dissension within his own party. i think that's part of his intention. i think that he believes that the more tax he gets from what's seen as sort of the traditional washington insiders if you will,
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i ppithink he thinks it's bette because he's trying to bring in that sarah palin wing of the party to create his own base of support. >> i think you're bringing up up a really interesting point. usually senator paul and senator cruz are cast as tea party favorites, but rand paul has handled this shutdown debate in a very different way. senator paul has found a way to elevate himself beyond a process player, he's known as someone with fresh ideas, with you throwing a lot of cold water on top of senator cruz's effort at the same time. >> i think as part of that, it's intentional. i think with cruz, this is part of a strategy to actually improve his fund raising on the outside, his base on the outside -- >> i think you're right. i think that's very true. >> absolutely. i was just going to say, i think
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2016 is around the corner. he's looking at trying to fill that void of the true conservative candidate in that race. he's trying to raise his profile. let's not forget, ted cruz is a freshman in the senate. he seems to be running all the decisions for both republicans both nationally and in the house, that's really unprecedented that a senate freshman would have this much power. >> yeah, even with house members. and gq did a profile on cruz and i want to read an excerpt of that for you. he said this certainly feels like a wacko-bird moment in washington and maybe in america too. so far cruz has proposed no major legislation and has shown little interest in changing that. he seems content accomplishing nothing because in his crew of the federal government, nothing is the accomplishment. that does not bode well for the
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republican party. >> i think senator cruz has entered into a perilous situation. long-term he's burned bridges in congress. people are irritated with how he's handled this fight. he's not making many friends and that could cost him later, especially if he runs for president. >> to that point, robert wrote a good article yesterday, i think, about how house republicans came to call senator cruz to get his advice and counsel on what to do with the debt limit measure that house speaker boehner put forward and he counselled them to whip against it. >> right. >> that is, as i said before, unprecedented. >> highly unusual. >> okay, guys, we're going to look into our magic ball and both of you guys know the hill well. doug i'm going to start with you. so essentially, we're at the point where they're going to take a vote on something, the
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cr, looks like it's going to be a version that we know the senate won't accept. then it will go from the senate back to the house. so what do you see unfolding in the next 24 hours? do we see ted cruz still working the phones, telling his republicans to come on home and stay firm? >> i don't think it's a matter of republicans anymore. i think like they've made it clear, they are intent on shutting down the government unless they defund obama care. that's not going to happen under this president. i just don't see how there's not at least a short government shutdown here. i don't know if there's time to do anything else, to fix what house republicans have broken here. >> robert from what you're seeing there on the hill, is there any way to avoid a shutdown at this point that you see? >> i think it's a very slim chance to avoid a shutdown. the house republicans are set on going to the 11th hour with this final offer about a one-year delay of obama care. some of the veterans say, let
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the shutdown happen, let the republicans feel the pain. understand in this divided climate, they can't win it all and maybe they'll come to the bargaining table. >> the one thing, for some of these tea party republicans and the house, i'm not sure they would learn a lesson, a negative lesson from shutting the government down, because they believe their job is to just blow the whole thing up anyway. >> that's very true. there's a group on the right within the house that won't vote for anything, a debt limit extension, funding for the government, they're opposed to it on principle. but there's a silent majority that does want to fund the government and wants to get beyond this. can boehner and that silent majority fight that other flank? >> if you get a bunch of house republicans that are vulnerable this cycle going back to john boehner saying, we need to end this, that's one of the quickest ways it will end.
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>> john boehner, that message is for you, we need to end this. thank you, guys. we'll break down the lies the conservatives was pedaling as they work to shut our government down. that's next. >> i intend to speak in defunding obama care until i'm no longer able to stand. >> what! [ laughter ] easy for you to take that kind of physical risk, you've got government health care. ploox ♪ ♪ too big.
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>> if we have a society where 46 million americans are living at or near poverty and a bad medical bill can kick them out of their house, make them lose
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their job, send them into poverty, that's unsustainable. that's not how we move the economy forward. everybody needs access to affordable health care. and with a turbo engine that gets 35 hwy mpg. you know j.d. power ranked passat the most appealing midsize car two years in a row? i bet, uh, dan here wishes somebody found him most appealing two years in a row. ron: it's ron. jc: ron... exactly... vo: right now get the 2013 passat for 0% apr for 60 months with optional down payment match of up to $500. >> especially vulnerable women, vulnerable children and vulnerable senior citizens now get to pay more and they get less. that's why we're here. because we're saying, let's repeal this failure before it literally kills women, kills
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children, kills senior citizens. >> wow, that is some kind of crazy. i'm sorry, congresswoman bachman, despite the insane lies you've been spreading, enrollment in the health care exchanges will start this tuesday. and coverage won't begin until january 1st, people are already able to access the benefit. and instead of killing women, it's saving their lives. this is esther who suffers from diabetes and kidney failure. her illness kept sending her back to the hospital, until obama care set up incentives to reduce the number of patients they admit, that allows her to get a social worker to help her treatment on track and keep her out of a hospital bed. >> if he wouldn't have came, i don't think i would be alive today. >> now, of course, if you're one of those people who still believes that the president is
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an anarchist born in kenya, then you probably think her story is part of a false flag cover-up. you're probably more likely to change the subject and talk about white house the white house did violence in mexico to build support? does that sound crazy? it is crazy. like so many of the lies republicans have been spewing, once again, they just aren't telling the truth about the affordable care act. with me now, ryan grim from the hustington post and arthur of deadly spin. we are going to get through some of these crazy, crazy lies. and debunk them. i'll start with you, wendel, number one, it's a job killer. we know that's not true. >> it's not true. in the long run, we'll see job creation here. it's had no adverse effect on jobs at all. i think it will be good for the
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economy and certainly good for individuals because one of the things obama care will do is end job lock. i think that's something people will come to appreciate more and more as we get into 2014. people are locked into corporate jobs. they hate them in many cases but they're afraid to leave because they know they would leave their insurance if they do. many have preexisting conditions or wouldn't have any idea how they could afford or even get insurance. that will change when the exchanges go online, people can get coverage. cannot be denied. that will be a great thing. >> as you heard earlier, they're saying it's killing hours, with when there was a study that said part time work is in part what happened to the economy, nothing to do with obama care. >> nothing to do with obama care. employers want to have full-time employs because it makes sense for them to do that. that will not change.
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>> number two, for you, ryan, the irs is coming for you. not true. >> well, i mean, the irs is not going to be coming after companies because they delayed that for one year. you know, let's say the irs did come for you. the penalty is something like -- wendel would know the exact number. it's something like $75. it's not a huge fee when you're at the end of the year, either writing your tax bill or you're getting your refund back. so this is not something where the irs is remotely incentivized to be sending out any s.w.a.t. teams of agents to collect this change from people. >> you know what i love about this one, they conveniently forget about the part that republicans inserted last year when we were having a conversation about women's rights that essentially women
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would have to prove to the irs if they'd had an abortion, they'd have to prove that it was the rape exception by providing the police report. so if anybody's going to have the irs up in your business, it's the republican madness. talking point three, return of the death panels. good old sarah palin, we have some sound from her. >> of course there are debt panels, it's in black and white, in the law, that there will be rationing of health care. >> oh, wendel, death panels? really? >> sarah got a lot of mileage out of that, but it never was true, it was mafred by her and her friends. it would enable the medicare programs who were having end of life discussions with their patients. that's how they twisted it to
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death panels. that language was taken out of the final bill, so it never became law. now they're saying that the creation of the independent advisory board would be the new rationing board, the death panels, it's not true. >> last one for you, ryan. and i find this to be the most ironic claim, that obama care will intrude into people's sex lives and personal privacy. just a reminder that's coming from the party that brought you the transvaginal probe. >> it's similar to the irs. one, it's like, when these folks, you know, want a certain policy carried forward, they're going to use every instrument of the state that they can marshall. >> right. >> they're literally going to require a transvaginal ultrasound to make a point on abortion. and they'll use the irs against medical marijuana shops and like you said, against rape victims. so it just shows that there
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really isn't the consistency with regard to how the right views the federal government at this point. >> except i think we know they're perfectly happy to shut it down. thank you, ryan grim and wendel potter. >> thank you. >> coming up, spousal spying and doll designing, there in your fyi. ♪
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>> just now i spoke on the phone with president rowhani of iran. we discussed our efforts to reach an agreement over iran's nuclear program. the very fact that this was the
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first communication between an american president and an iranian president underscores the deep mistrust between your countries, but it indicates the prospect of moving beyond that difficult history. >> now suddenly we're tempted by the prospect of a mid east breakthrough. maybe the most important in a generation. if rowhani's phone call was not just for show, it could ease fears of living in the shadow of a nuclear iran. if the call was not just for show, but it's the start of a long process, first of all, can we really depend on president rowhani to make this happen? second of all, can he really depend on us? he got a mixed reception when we got back to iran. most cheered, but a few threw
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eggs at his car. that could be a taste of what he'll get from iran's hardline establishment. remember he's not the true leader of iran. the final decision must come from the supreme leader. we haven't had a phone call with him yet. on the u.s. side, president obama has to establish a system of trust but verify, and then to end heavy nuclear sanctions against iran. he would have to get congress to approve it in a mature, far-seeing, non-partisan manner. good luck with that one. joining me now is ambassador dennis ross. ambassador, thanks so much for joining me. >> nice to be with you. >> give us a sense of what is the significance of the call between president obama and mr. rowhani? >> i think the greatest single significant factor is that it indicates at least symbolically that the barriers that divide
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us, could be broken down. obviously i'm qualifying what i'm saying, just as you said, it's been 30 years since there's been any kind of a modicum of trust between us and the islamic republic. we're dealing with a long legacy of distrust and a regime that's based on a premise of hostility towards us. one of the reason you see a negative reaction to rowhani when he returned because there are those there whom hostility to the united states is why they're in power. that being said, the economic sanctions are such that the only way they can change the economic situation is if they get the sanctions relieved. they cannot get the relief unless they're prepared to change their program.
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on the iranian side, with president rowhani, but perhaps even with the supreme leader, there's an interest in testing to see what's possible. we have to do it that way and not raise expectations too high at this point. >> this comes as we reach an agreement on syria, the united nations security council has signed an agreement, that process is moving forward. how does that play into this latest development? >> well, there is a connection insofar as you create what could be an interesting precedent on weapons of mass destruction. here's an example in syria where the international community in the form of a security council resolution has agreed there's going to be dismantling of the chemical weapons in syria. the iranians have a huj stake in the syrian regime, but they'll also watch closely to see how seriously this particular
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resolution is implemented. the more serious it is, the more they may also draw the conclusion that they have an interest in working out a deal on the nuclear program, maybe in an international context and maybe that increases their own sense that the sanctions will be reliev relieved. but they will understand the international community will also establish there has to be responsiveness on their part. they will have to change their nuclear program. >> it was good to see something get done this week in a week of a lot of chaos on the domestic front. thank you. >> welcome. >> don't go anywhere. we have a second hour of "disrupt" for you as we continue our coverage of the showdown on capitol hill. we'll be right back. [ shapiro ] at legalzoom, you can take care of virtually
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