politics and you look at the long term here, what it simply requires is everybody to act responsibly and do what's right for the american people. >> in the meantime our own chuck todd, looking at house republicans pointing to how they may avoid a shutdown, moving the fight to the debt limit which is expected to be reached on october 17th. >> i do believe that at the end of the day we're going to do the right thing. even if we go with a very short term cr a week or go forward with a clean three-month cr, the real issue here is working on the debt limit. that's the goal. >> he's got a variety of options in front of them. one of them would be effectively a short term cr that merges this battle over government shutdown with the debt ceiling which is frankly where i thought i was going to be anyway. >> capitol hill correspondent kelly o'donnell joins us now.

before we talk debt ceiling, let's talk about the here and now. the senate will vote shortly after the top of this hour. we know how this is expected to play out. >> tamron, well, the senate chaplain has been praying the daily prayer and what's needed now the country is so fed up with this kind of brinksmanship, the steps that will unfold in the next few minutes do vofl the senate where they will take up what the house passed over the weekend and effectively put it in the trash bin. it's called a motion to table, taking the bill and setting it aside. that's the senate democrat's way of saying we will not negotiate on anything that has to do with the health care law. they only want a measure that will keep the government's lights on and doors open and people employed. what we will see is that vote. it should be a significant party line vote and then we'll hear from senate leaders who will come to the cameras in 15 or 20 minutes or so and tell us the state of play.

but in those other clips that you played involving house members on the republican side, you do begin to see that the final day has its own sort of political atmosphere. it does have the power to change things as phones are ringing off the hook among the capitol hill offices with the president weighing in, just the sense of where we are in the time line that has the potential to bring people together. there are options to resolve it. at the same time, i think the political will still suggests that the likelihood of a shutdown is great and so everyone is preparing for that. >> and then the next preparation of course, after this vote, which you pointed out, going to remove this delay of the president's health care law, make it a quote/unquote clean cr, and then it's up to as you've noted and we discussed the lower chamber. there's been a lot of exploration if you will of what the options are for speaker boehner. >> there are a number of different plays he can make. in talking with his conference

of fellow republicans, they can strat guys everything from simply doing what democrats and the president are looking for, keep the lights on. other alternatives that wouldn't be quite as extreme as defunding or delaying the health care law, that end of the spectrum which they have been fighting for and still believe in. but some other measures that might be a shorter term victory. there's a whole really array of things they can choose. the question will be what do they settle on. presumely whatever they settle on could pass and then it comes back for the senate. prepare for ping pong tonight. it could go very late and it's one of the situations where if a resolution is at hand, it could unfold very quickly. >> hopefully i can get you to hang on. we're going to listen in in a second. while we wait to see what's happening on the senate floor. let me bring in white house correspondent peter alexander. he is standing by. we heard from the president just a short time ago as well on

this. >> reporter: tamron, that's right. we did hear from the president a short time ago during his meeting with benjamin netanyahu where he said in his language he was not at all resigned to the fact there would be a government shutdown. obviously it appears that's the direction we're heading right now. following up on part of the conversation you had with kelly a matter of seconds ago, one of the potential items that may get sent from the house to the senate later today would be one that calls uniquely and specifically for the repeal of the manufacturers medical device tag, jay carney was asked specifically about that a short time ago and said none is acceptable. it's effectively blatant extortion to use his language and put everything on the shoulders of john boehner. take a listen to what he said. >> the point i think though is that we're at a moment where the house of representatives has to decide and the speaker of the house is the leader of the house

and leader of house republicans must decide whether roughly 60 members of his caucus, the tea party faction, will dictate to the american people whether the government will shut down because they have not been able to achieve through normal means their idealogical agenda. >> reporter: on that very topic we heard from president obama a short time ago saying that he would be calling congressional leader as well. carney was asked specifically who the president would be speaking to and when. among the names carney said, the president would like to speak to are the speaker of the house, john boehner, but at this point there's no clear indication of when that conversation might take place. obviously the two of them have not spoken in what's an extended period of time at this point. >> i want to remind people what's at stake if we do experience a shutdown. we have a list of things, what dwoez, 800,000 federal employees will be furloughed and national

parks and montada monument clos potentially student and home loans delayed. social security and medicare payments continue and some other things, mail delivery and the health care implementation continues. i think that's what is striking here. we will be discussing with a number of people on our panel the health care law and what this all means tomorrow, but the show does go on despite what we're seeing in the senate and of course in the house. >> well, when it comes to obama care, the president's significant health care law, that is unaffected whether there is a shutdown or not. that's a mandatory program. so it will not be impacted regardless of what comes out of the wrangling we're witnessing today and witnessed over the last couple of weeks. as senior advisers say, that has been their primary focus over the last several days, trying to get ready for tomorrow's enrollment date. they say it's a soft launch. people have the chance to do it over the next six months.

let me bring in john tester of montana, a member of the appropriations and banking and homeland committee. it's a great pleasure having you on, not under these circumstances, i have to admit once again. we're looking at an 11th hour negotiation, if that's even happening. can you tell me what you know regarding a possibility we would avoid a government shut down in 9:52 counting down here. >> saturday night the house sent over a continuing resolution to keep the lights on in the government with a bunch of extra stuff in it, let's put it that way. i anticipate the senate will take it out and put it back to a clean continuing resolution and notify the house of that. what really really needs to happen, speaker boehner needs to let the house vote on the resolution to keep the government open, the resolution that the house sent to the senate. the problem might be solved

because they may get the votes to put it across the finish line. bottom line, the folks don't like the uncertainty, it's wasted dollars which doesn't help the effectiveness of government. we need to do a better job back here working on issues and this prevents us to work on issues that are also very important to this country. >> do you believe at this point all options have been exhausted in an appropriate way given that the people there are representing your constituents and people every day who watch this, they show up for work and they do their jobs and i don't think they are confident that's what's happening in washington, d.c. we know they don't believe that because of polling and approval or lack there of for members much congress. >> i think what you see and what has happened for many, many years, politics has trumped policy. this is another prime example of that, where we've had two elections that dealt with the health care bill and some folks can't accept that. and that's why they want to

delay it so they can continue to put up misinformation. if there's one mistake made with obama care, it's the fact we didn't implement it quick inform and there were some in the house that want to delay it and it's very unfortunate. >> there were some members of the house within the gop who criticize senator saying that members of the senate had gone home and they were having a lea leisurely life while the house was feverishly working and dealing with this issue. your reaction to that? >> my reaction is that i always go home. but the bottom line, the house knows the rules. they know where the lines have been drawn and what the american people expect. the american people expect government to remain open and they ought to abide by what the majority of the people in the country want. >> what do you believe will happen? >> pass over a clean cr -- what i hope happens i hope the speaker allows a vote on the

senate bill that's two and a half months cr and hopefully that will pass and common sense will prevail and we'll keep the government open and we can continue to talk about important issues as they come down the pike. >> senator tester, thanks for your time. i greatly appreciate you joining us against. the markets are reacting to the threat of the shutdown but it's the looming debt ceiling that will send the markets reeling. the justice department announces plans to sue north carolina over what critics call the most restrictive voting measure since the civil rights era. the state legislature took extremely aggressive steps to curtail the voting rights of african-americans. >> more on what the attorney general calls an intentional step to break a system that was working. join our conversation on twitter. you can find us at tamron hall and news nation. we'll be right back.

we're monitoring live pictures from the senate floor where lawmakers are expecting to reject the resolution that would keep the government funded and also delay obama care for a year. house republicans are debating their next move with hours to go on clock, you see at the bottom of the screen, right now the prospects of avoiding the first government shutdown in 17 years appear pretty slim. from ""the new york times," talk is after who is at fault and not of a deal. lawmakers dig in as shutdown approaches. usa today points to the economic impacts and stocks tumble as government shutdown nears. joining me now, michael sme

smerconish, thank you for joining me. michael, are you there? >> i'm here. >> let's talk about what folks are telling you on the radio and how they are processing this. >> so i did it for two full hours today, couldn't keep a phone line open because people are very passionate about this. you get partisans on both sides, democrats who say this is more of obstructionism that the gop is confronted the president with for five years. republicans say, well, this doesn't have the support of the people right now. they are doing the right thing. the key i think, how it plays among independents and among independents the edge in my view clearly goes to the democrats and in the background of what has taken place in the last couple of years between this house and this president. >> it's interesting, i'm sure you saw "meet the press" when senator cruz was on and david

spoke about his actions over the past week and asked him flat out or noted to him, he had brought no one to his side in the senate and the house republicans that were looking at seem to be at least only concerned about their immediate future and their constituents in their districts here. but we know that the health care law tomorrow, you have enrollment starting here and i think people do see this as a constant battle or constant rejection of this president. i'm curious when the polls say that the president will bear some of the blame here, at least some of the polling out there indicates that it is pretty close on who folks will blame, michael. >> but i think that those polls are reflecting the sentiments frankly, tamron, on any issue. you fill in the blank and take out health care. people are so dug in with regard to anything that has -- you make the real point, come tomorrow, you can go to health care.gov as

i have done but the exchanges will not have the data up until tomorrow. i think that's really what's gg to be key in the whole debate because so much is about obama care. when people can go on and see in dollars and cents what it means to them and their neighbors, they are either going to buy into it or not buy into it. are there going to be selfish decisions come tomorrow and beyond. >> let me get you to hang on. we have bob menendez standing by. sir, thank you for your time. senator, menendez, can you hear me? >> i am. >> how do you explain what's happening as this countdown clock continues and people at home trying to process how we got here yet again? >> well, look, what we have is a simple proposition. if speaker boehner allows the house of representatives to vote on the clean cr we are sending them, i believe the house of representatives would pass that.

what is happening is that a small few in the house of representatives are dictating what the overwhelming number of representatives of the house should consider. and therefore, trying to force a government shutdown in doing so in that threat, trying to elicit what they could not achieve at the ballot box, trying to do it by the threat of a shutdown. that simply is not a process that is acceptable. we can have a negotiation, which is what we've been trying to do as we've appealed 18 times to go to conference on the budget. that's where a negotiation would take place. but a continuing resolution to keep the government open, to put a gun to people's heads is simply not acceptable. >> let me play what rand paul said on "face the nation." i want your reaction. let's play it. >> republicans and democrats are supposed to find a middle ground. right now it's the president saying night way or the highway. if i don't get everything i want and don't get obama care with democrats passed without any republicans for it, the

democrats are saying they are willing to shut down the government. >> we know you and your party point to the obvious, the president won the election. for many people the obama care was supposed to be the big rallying cry to get mitt romney in office. that did not happen. you have members of the house who say we were also given a mandate. we were brought back to represent the interest of the people who want to continue this fight against the president's health care law. >> well, look, first of all, this is a law passed by the congress signed by the president upheld by the supreme court of the united states and reaffirmed by the american people in their re-election of the people and their president. there were two clear choices, one who said i'm going to move forward with the health care law and mitt romney said i'll repeal it. now at a certain point, that is the democracy in action. for those members who still feel they are compelled to seek to repeal it, that's fine but nothing says that the way to do it is to shut down the

government in order to seek your efforts to repeal. if they allowed us, even though republicans have objected 18 times since six months ago when we pass a budget to try to go to a conference with a house of representatives to iron out of differences for which a negotiation there might take place, that might be the appropriate venue. but they won't even let us go a conference. they have created a set of circumstances to achieve what they cannot achieve at the ballot box. what they need to do is elect a president and majority and both houses of the congress and repeal the president's health care law. that's not how a democracy works and it has consequences to real people in our country. >> thank you for your time. i know you're quite biscy. zachary, we talk about consequences and we're keeping an eye on wall street. no maj are reaction. however, that can't last for long. >> you're right, there are other issues, an italian government

coalition looks american politics almost sober by comparison. the markets will pay attention to what might happen later in the month around the debt ceiling than the government shutdown because as we all know, essential services will continue, planes will keep flying -- >> but we also know, let me pause you there, if for example in virginia alone, the number was around 150,000 people, furloughed. when you talk about the monuments, not just talking about kids to see the statue of liberty. we'll talk with vendors and people who work at hotels all impacted by this. when you think, okay the monument might be closed, no there are businesses -- >> not saying this does not have real world immediate consequences but an expectation we all have, hopefully true, that if this does happen, it will be temporary and limited and force people to come to their senses. if you told me tomorrow the government is going to shutdown tonight at midnight and stay that way for a month, people would be having a more dramatic

reaction. people will assume, the parties will be forced to the table and obama care will go into i implemtation. >> isn't it an indication of what is clear, a congress that cannot get things done and that affects the economy. >> the experience over the past two years is they won't get things done until the enth moment. there was a deal eventually. people are primed to think the ultras in congress will huff and puff but eventually sober hails will prevail and you'll come up with an agreeable compromise. the reason people are not as concerned because people assume, and i hope they are right in that assumption, that that script will prove true this time. we're not going to get a burn baby burn reality, not only is the government shutdown but we default on the debt. right now this is more of an issue we're speaking about than lots of concern or panic.

>> the obvious has happened here. only 51 votes to remove the house added measure that would have delayed the president's health care law here. now what we're seeing is the vote complete in the senate. and it is essentially now back in the hands of the house and we'll see what the options are as it is led by speaker boehner. in the meantime, michael, thank you. thank you, zachary. this breaking news continues. we'll have the latest from the senate floor. as we pointed out time and time again, government shutdown or not, obama care enrollment starts tomorrow, individuals will define obama's care fate. we'll talk to families, many perhaps like your own, who are considering the options they have available to them. ready to run your lines? okay, who helps you focus on your recovery? yo, yo, yo. aflac. wow. [ under his breath ] that was horrible. pays you cash when you're sick or hurt? [ japanese accent ] aflac. love it. [ under his breath ] hate it.

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it appears though the showdown or the shutdown is looming as the senate is rejected conditions imposed by the house gop, the temporary spending bill that would have delayed the implementation of the president's health care law to keep the government funded and running here. now, of course, no matter what happens this evening, one thing is certain, enrollment in the health care exchange will begin tomorrow. the 48 million uninsured americans or 15% of the population will be eligible to enroll. as health care exchanges go online access will vary state to state. all states are required to set up health insurance exchange, they are not required to accept the medicaid expansion. some states will have their own exchanges without the expansion and some will have both and some have neither, defaulting to the federally run exchange. as the "washington post" notes, the health law success rests on americans buying coverage in

mass. and new nbc kiser family foundation poll finds 49% are still confused and 51% are worried what it will mean for them. joining us now, sara cliff and doug holtz-eakin. thank you both for joining us. >> thank you. >> sara, i try to relate this to when we started a new job and if we were fortunate to have health care with the job. you go to work and look online and take a look at the options available. you usually don't wrap your brain around it until you're able to look at the computer screen and check off the description of your family and understand it more. is that likely what will happen tomorrow? >> i think so. i think you're exactly right. it's a hard to think about health insurance in the abstract. you need to put in your family, see how much it costs and see if you can keep seeing your doctor and which hospitals are included

in your network. we'll see some people do that tomorrow but actually, you related to open enrollment, a lot of people may wait until the end of this open enrollment period which stretches into march. when i have to register for something at work, sometimes i'll wait to the last day before it's due. we don't expect huge takeup on october 1st, the very first day. they are trying to set expectations low saying they are expecting enrollment when we get need the end of open enrollment. >> you and your colleague spoke with a number of people regarding the enrollment and what the expectations are. you spoke with a 26-year-old lawyer who has $200,000 in student loans, works on a contract and in part she said, that for her, this is far less than almost $1700 a year he would pay for an inexpensive plan. this particular person is looking at $1700 a year for the plan that they would be eligible for. is that the case? >> yes, that's the one we were

talking to. >> and -- >> go ahead. >> it's difficult. these are going to be the hardest people for the obama administration to sell. these are the people they need to sign up. they need young healthy people to decide health insurance is something they are willing to spend $100, maybe $200 a month on. you need the people in the insurance market to help hold down premiums for people who are older and sicker. these are the people that the administration is going to target their case to over the next six months. >> doug, we wanted you on. there was a quote in one of the articles previewing this from you and in part it says, we're now seeing that a lot of the exchange probably will have very limited networks and low reimbursements to providers compared to large employer plans. sure, i've got insurance but no one wants to see me so i go to the emergency room for regular care. what is your anticipation at least as people start to enroll tomorrow? >> i think there are two big hurdles. the first is the operational

hurdle, when they show up at the portals, will they work and calculate their premiums correctly and dictate the eligibility for different benefits correctly. that's an open question. may not be solved tomorrow but down the road the administration will get to this work. then you'll hit the second and tough question that sara raised. will the young and healthy purchase this insurance, they are necessary for the insurance pulled at work, they'll first look at the price. and it may be more than say no thanks and paying a penalty. or when they look at the policy and got a low price, they find out there's only one hospital they can go to or three or four doctors. it might not seem worth it. it's a real open question as to whether they'll get in. >> there is also the question of how it is broken down state by state. we have a map, for example, of the states with the state exchange and the medicaid expansion. let's show that map if we can. you get an idea of what we're working with here. next up with the states running

health insurance exchange or expanding medicaid. the significant change there. then states without health insurance exchange or medicaid expansion. you see the breakdown there and my home state of texas is a glaring one on the list there. i think that will also add to some of the confusion that will require more explanation so that people know what they are eligible for. >> i think it's not just who expands what, whether the state runs its own exchange or let's the federal government do it, whether there's a medicaid expansion or not. what we've seen is very low reimbursements to doctors makes them unwilling to see medicaid beneficiaries and they go to the emergency room for ordinary care. if that's the dynamic we see play out in the exchanges, it's not going to matter when color your state is on the map. it's going to be substandard care and it's care that matters the most in the end, not just insurance. >> it's care that matters but we're also talking about people who up until now had no option

for care. >> well, they certainly had a medicaid option, low income individuals in many cases did. i think the real question to go back to the quality of these as insurance markets, we'll have to big things come up. will the young and healthy show up and balance the pool, number two, at what price will the insurance be available in we've yet to see the live comparison. american families will make that comparison. >> we'll see and talk with many families tomorrow and moving forward. thank you both for your time, sarah and doug. still ahead, the ripple effects of a government shutdown. yes, national land marks like the washington monument and statue of liberty will close. what about businesses that rely on those dollars from tourists who take these trips? >> if that happened to our business, it would shut us down. we would come out here five or six times a day. >> blame game in full effect. we'll talk with congressman david sis leanny who accuses

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they don't? alka seltzer plus night fights your worst cold symptoms, plus has a decongestant. [ inhales deeply ] oh. what a relief it is. welcome back, we want to take you to senate democrats holding a conference just after the bill was rejected. let's listen in. >> they brought this bill to the floor with a rule that said everyone could vote on it, it would pass by a large margin. it would prevent a government shutdown and john boehner blocks this, he'll be forcing a government shutdown and will be a republican government shutdown. that's pure and simple. many house republicans admitted openly that this is a fool's ir

rand. yesterday, let's vote tomorrow, i'll vote for it to keep the government open and other house members have said the same thing. the votes are there to pass a clean cr. here's what dent said specifically. i'm prepared to vote for a clean resolution tomorrow. it's time to govern. i don't intend to support a fool's errand. that's a direct quote. democrats met republicans on the middle on spending, we're not going to be negotiating with ourselves. i've heard the idea of a short term extension floated. let me be very, very clear. the senate's bill is a short term extension. that's what it is. this is a six-week funding bill, that's all it is, six weeks. we can't pass this, we're only truly entering a banana

republican mindset. this is what we look at in other countries doing. the united states, we're going to be funding the government for a week, ten days at a time, not so good. the bottom line then is this, house republicans face the same issue they faced yesterday and the day before and the day before and day before. let the senate's clean pr -- there we go again. i got it. i got it. i got it. let a clean cr pass. and do it with bipartisan support or there's going to be a shutdown of the government caused by them, the republicans. really, without being too dramatic about this. the fate of the country depends on the house being able to vote, the house. all members of the house of representatives. i hope that john boehner makes a responsible decision. one that's good for the country.

job protection time is over with. it's time to start protecting the american people, senator durbin. >> before the final role call was announced just moments ago, there was a memo circulating an e-mail circulating that the republicans in the house anticipated losing and wanted to tell us what the next stage of the drama would be. send it back to us with new versions of the amendment. some sort of delay or defundsing of obama care and something to do with members health care. you see where this is headed? >> and staff. you see where this is headed? they are going to keep playing this over and over again expecting a different result. the result will be the passage of the clean cr that we sent them when they call it on the floor of the u.s. house of representatives. i watched over the weekend while

some of the tea party republicans were congratulating themselves on their wisdom and courage. their courage? what courage does it take for a tea party republican to shut down the federal government at the expense of someone else's job, at the expense of critical services that people across america count on every single day? that's not courage. that's cowardness. let them accept their responsibility to govern and let it start with the speaker. i understand it's plight, it's oob yus obvious to the world. one republican house member said to me, you aren't dealing with two parties in the house, we're dealing with three. two different republican parties and democratic party. most of the caucuses are a fight between the two versions and factions of the republican party. that's what he's up against. but i don't feel any sympathy for him at all at this moment. at some point he has an awesome responsibility in the chain of

succession to lead the united states of america as speaker of the house, to step up and lead in the name of the american people and for the good of our country. to think that because of his willful faction of tea party republicans he would allow this government to shut down and continue to play these games back and forth is just inexcusable for anyone who calls himself a leader. i hope the speaker steps up. he owes it to the american people, not just federal employees but everyone playing this economy to get stronger and we don't lose jobs over this l folly. >> we are listening to senate democrats react to the vote a short time ago. this is really about the house. i want to bring in democratic congressman david cicilline of rhode island. you just heard senator dick durbin issue this challenge we've heard all weekend long. he is saying it's time for

summ speaker boehner to step up but acknowledging one republican aid said there are three parties within the house right now, divided republican party and democrats here. what do you believe is the next step. >> i think they are absolutely right. it is time for speaker boehner to bring a clean bill to the floor, it will enjoy bipartisan support to keep the government open. he has allowed this faction within the caucus, the tea party group to set the agenda for his party and to obstruct progress on a number of issues. this is a moment for speaker boehner to be speaker of the house of representatives for our entire country and not be speaker of a caucus and worry about his standing within the republican caucus but do what's right for our country and a shutdown would be damaging to our economy, very damaging to my home state of rhode island. we have the votes for bipartisan passage of a clean bill. stop adding things to it.

that is what a continuing resolution is. this rests on the decision of one person. if he brings the senate bill to the floor, it will pass and government will stay open. if he does not or changes or adds things to it, the government will shut down and it's really in the hands of the speaker right now. >> one of our first read members pointed out that republican leadership, a, did not have guidance on whether speaker boehner would do what you're saying regarding a clean cr but put the odds of a shutdown at 50/50. what are the odds knowing what you know regarding the house and this influence that the small group of tea parties who have been very loud and vocal have had over this speaker, not just during this latest crisis but multiple ones in our recent memory? >> i mean, the speaker has not demonstrated any willingness to stand up to this very extreme group within the republican caucus who continue to make decisions which are not good for our country. he continues to really defer to them in a serious way --

>> what indication is there that that would not happen again? >> you know, again, i think the more that the republican members start to consider what the impact will be of a shutdown on the constituents and the public response to that, hopefully they are pressuring the speaker to bring this to the floor and counter balancing the views of the tea party but sort of tail wagging the dog. the more responsible members need to be speaking to the speaker as well and suggesting that this is not good for the country. in fact, it's not good for their party. if he hears from them, he may just bring a bill to the floor knowing that it will require democratic support, which you will have. it's the right decision for our country. and this is one of those moments where he's got to set aside his party, set aside the politics of being third in line to the presidency and do what's right for our country, what's right for the american people and make sure government stays open. >> what about the republicans who say that perhaps the out here is the debate over the debt ceiling, that in these last few hours here, some kind of

negotiation will take place and essentially republicans will live to fight another day over the debt limit? >> well, of course the danger of that is the consequences of defaulting on the full faith and credit of the united states. serious consequences for our economy and world's economy, so the idea that america would not pay its bills is something which i think most responsible people would say is unacceptable. keeping government open now is important. and the real answer is we need a long term solution. we need a budget. i serve on the budget committee. the house passed a budget, not one i like but we passed one. the speaker has not appointed to work out the differences and come up with a compromise, the conference committee can't meet because the speaker refused dispute our efforts to persuade him to do, to appoint a conference committee to work out differences and pass a budget. that would alleviate our problem. we don't have a budget and the speaker refuses to appoint

confer ees and one goe from one crisis to another because of it. >> it's simple in some ways that you pass a clean cr or we're at the shutdown. according to our political team, can speaker boehner do this without losing his speakership or in a sense that this is boiling down to behind the scenes with republicans in the house? >> i think there's no question the speaker is always concerned about maintaining his position as speaker. i understand that. but there are moments and this is one of those moments where the speaker has to put that aside and think about the impact on our country and do what's right for the american people. frankly that will be good politics in the end. standing up to this far extreme group that have obstructed progress on so many important issues what the american people want and will do him well in the end. he hasn't shown any indication or any sign of willingness to do that. but we remain ready to work with the speaker and provide the

support for a clean cr like we will on comprehensive immigration reform bill and just as we will on a budget. he's got to be willing to work with us and stand up and say to these folks in the tea party, what they are proposing is not good for our country. >> thank you so much for your time. i greatly appreciate it. the most significant impact would be the closure of national parks an monduments and those could be a economic ripple effect. d.c. has the largest con trags of federal workers and contractors and could lose $200 million a day. one of the economic main stays tourism would see the most significant blow and d.c. would not be the only place affect the. businesses that surround national parks and monuments could take a significant hit. >> they would shut us down. we come out here five or six times a day doing lake tests. the lake is everything we have. >> the thought the statue of liberty could be held hostage is appalling. >> wefl employees that have

families to take care of and bills to pay. >> msnbc's alex witt joins us live from battery park. you've been there talking to people all day. we have a snap shot of the sentiment. this is about feeding their families as well. >> reporter: exactly, tamron. if you look back to history, 95 to 96, that 21-day shutdown that was a loss of revenue of $14.2 million to those local communities that are reliant upon the tourism dollars. here we have a number of things that are reliant on tourism dollars. i'm looking down the road at the statue cruises, they have been packed today with people. one of captains said, look, tomorrow we will not be able to run those cruises to the statue of liberty island. people pack these boats and get off there at the liberty island stay a while and come back. the only thing they will be able to do is run the harbor cruises. this also extends to say the restaurant i'm looking at that caters to tourists and also i spoke with one man who was very

worried about the effect of the shutdown for his bottom line. take a listen. >> i think if a statue is closed tomorrow, our business will greatly be affected because number of tourists come here and because of tourists, we generate revenue for our owner and also for our stand. >> you see malik, he runs one of those vendor stands and sells to the tourists. he told me he has to drive an hour every day to get here. he sets up very early to be the early bird and catching tourist dollar worms. the problem is he doesn't know by midnight tonight, he'll be sleeping because he comes from so far away. he doesn't know if he gets here it's a complete waste of time for him. but bottom line, he know he's likely not to take home one dollar in earnings tomorrow. it's got him worried. >> alex witt, good reason to worry these days considering what's happening in washington. we'll be back with a gut check next. when we made our commitment to the gulf, bp had two big goals:

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as the countdown continues, let's get you caught up on where things stand right now. next of course is house speaker boehner will react to this. >> yeah, it got through the senate, listening to harry reid was pretty instructive, there's a lot of options being floated. mitch mcconnell, one week continuing resolution, that also attaches some payments to the military and other things that are politically popular, but listening to harry reid there's no way to misinterpret what he said he views that continuing resolution as temporary, the one they pass that goes through november 15th, six weeks, doesn't sound likes he's entertaining any other potential ideas. >> and with that said, what would shall i guess, what would prompt democrats at this point to entertain any of the ideas coming from the republicans and

the house or essentially at this point democrats are confident if there's a shutdown as was the case 17 years ago, that republicans will bear the brunt of this? >> i think they are pretty confident that republicans will bear the brunt of this, considering that republicans blocked going to conference over the budget earlier this year after making democrats essentially pass a budget during the last debt ceiling fight. i think they are frustrated and annoyed and don't want to have to continue this and they think they can continue to break the cycle of negotiating. president obama doesn't are to worry about running again in four years so there's no incentive for him to want to do something at the end on the deadline. the question is is that going to be the case? you heard you talking to michael earlier and there is the case that people will blame -- there will be blame to go around, just because people, you know, maybe

aren't paying attention or just feel like all of washington at this point, they blame everybody for whether it's leadership on president obama's part or republicans. you can see the polling showing republicans taking at least more of the blame than democrats. >> thanks. you're looking at the senate floor, not a lot going on there. what is your gut telling you about a potential shutdown? do you think congress will strike a last minute deal and avoid a government shutdown, or the other side of the coin, which we all know is not good for nearly 800,000 people who will be furloughed. go to facebook.com/newsnation to cast that bill vote. that does it for this edition of "news nation." i'm tamron hall. thanks for joining us on this monday. "the cycle" is up next.

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