plus, drivers who switched saved an average of $498 a year. just a few more ways allstate is changing car insurance for good. [ female announcer ] call an allstate agent and get a quote now. good morning. i'm chris jansing and this morning we are witnessing d.c. dysfunction at its worst. for the first time in 17 years, the government is closed for business. 800,000 workers furloughed. but members of congress are still being paid. even though there's no clear path out of this mess. a stand-off over obama care. now, we've just learned that the president will make some remarks from the white house rose garden at 12:25 eastern time. right now the house and senate are back in session, though moments ago senate democrats shot down a house republican effort to go to conference to hammer out their differences. democrats say they'll reject any republican proposal if it includes changes to obama care, which is officially being rolled

out today. >> we will not go to conference with a gun to our head. >> this is ridiculous. >> i think it's a disgrace. >> this is nuts. >> now, president obama phoned top congressional leaders last night urging them to pass a budget. >> i talked to the president earlier tonight. i'm not going to negotiate. i'm not going to negotiate. i'm not going to do this. well, i would say to the president, this is not about me. and it's not about republicans here in congress. it's about fairness for the american people. >> you don't get to extract a ransom for doing your job. for doing what you're supposed to be doing anyway, or just because there's a law there that you don't like. >> by the way, beyond the more than 800,000 government workers furloughed, a million more have been asked to work without pay. an open question is whether members of congress will pay a price. a quinnipiac poll this morning finds americans disapprove of

the republican shutdown strategy by a 3-1 margin. let's bring in managing editor for the grio.com joanne reed and karen tumulty. good morning. >> good morning, chris. >> this is the least effective congress in history. the republicans approval rating has slipped to 17%, the lowest in the history of that poll. congressional approval is at a whopping 10%. where's this going, joanne. >> at the moment it's going nowhere. republicans essentially said to the democrats, let us kill your health care bill. oh, no, we can't kill it? let us maim it and that is what they considered to be compromise. the idea that you would ask for a one-year delay in a law that has already been settled and decided by the supreme court in exchange for a two-month continuing resolution. this would only fund the government until december 15th and then we get to do it all over again. in between now and december

15th, we have a debt ceiling negotiation. i think democrats have finally said enough is enough. >> they may have said enough is enough but at some point, karen, somebody has got to fund the government. we've seen moderate republicans make a difference before. in january, 85 republicans voted with democrats when they had the fiscal cliff deal and 49 republicans voted for relief for victims of hurricane sandy, so there is movement that has been done in the past. but is that where it's going to come from this time? is it going to have to come from the leadership? where do you think this is going? >> the way things work in the house of representatives is that the speaker has almost total control of actually what comes to the floor. and what people call the cr, the continuing resolution, the bill that keeps the government operating, were that to come to the floor clean, just the money to keep the government going, nothing on obama care, a lot of people think it would have the votes to pass. that you take the number of

republicans who would vote for that plus pretty much everybody in the democratic caucus and the thing passes. so the question is, if that's the end game, how do they get there? and that is going to require some sort of decision by john boehner, which would come at a -- the risk of losing his job as speaker to let something like that proceed. that is truly -- at this point they probably are -- there are people up there smarter than i am, but to me that looks like the only way out of this. >> karen, have you ever seen anything like this? last night as i'm watching john boehner, i'm thinking in years past the speaker would have said, look, i just talked to the president of the united states, we agreed to disagree, we're going to have a conversation, we're not going to have a conversation, but to kind of mimic him on the floor seemed to me representative of kind of where we are right now. and to be fair, the democrats haven't always been so kind to john boehner either. >> well, i think one thing to worry about here is the fact

that we have now gotten into this sort of vicious cycle of governing by near death experience. i mean we have had at least three or four of these 11th hour showdowns in the last few years. and they never bring the two sides closer together on anything. all they do is leave them further apart and more entrenched. and that, i think, beyond this particular crisis, that is the fever that i think has to break, if i can mix my metaphors. i think that is really what is corroding our government is government by crisis. >> well, senator john mccain thinks, and he's been talking about this for a while, he thinks republicans will actually pay the price for this. let me play what he had to say. >> what's particularly disappointing is that obama care is going to have a lot of problems in its rollout. the president's polling numbers are falling in every category

and yet the story is to the american people that republicans are fighting republicans. that's not helpful. >> i'm not sure, though, to be honest with you that these republicans, certain lly the conservative house members buy that. i was struck by what ashley parker said in "the new york times," this isn't just about one small thing. to them this fight is about a larger quest. this is about they really believe that they have to stop obama care, that it is the worst thing that has ever been perpetrated upon this nation. >> and you have to realize that for the republican base, the narrative that they see over the last 30 years is a republican party that they think has not stood up for their values. that they think has caved to democrats on the idea of entitlements. even during the bush administration added to medicare with part d. so they see a party that in their world isn't fighting hard enough. so they want to see some awe

thennic from representatives in their congress. to them this is the right fight, this is what they should be doing. they didn't do it on medicare. remember in the 1960s republicans said it was a threat to democracy but didn't fight it and it strengthened over time, even ronald reagan did. so i think for the pace of the republican party, which is increasingly very polarized, it's an older, whiter demographic, it's in districts where there isn't a lot of diversity of opinion, they think is exact low tly the flag they their members to plant. so these members have nothing to fear because the risk to them is a risk from the right. let's bring in james clyburn. always good to see you, congressman, good morning. >> thanks for having me. >> we're on the outside looking in and hearing from a lot of regular americans they have had it frankly. you're on the inside. what's the mood on the hill right now? give us your sense of where we stand. >> thank you so much for having me. on my side of the aisle is a

very somber mood. last night we found ourselves in disbelief that we would have a conference being called for on a continuing resolution when all that is necessary for us to settle this issue is for them to agree to the 17 requests we have made for our conference on the total budget. the president indicated in his comments on yesterday that he's open to further negotiations on the larger budget scheme, but not on the continuing resolution. when the only thing you're asking him to do is give up his landmark program which goes into effect today. the president and the senate, much to the chagrin of house democrats, agreed to the house republicans number of 988. that was not our number.

our number is like 1058. but the president and the senate agreed to that number. the democrats in the house decided to go along with that number and then the republicans says no, no, we don't want to just negotiate on the budget, we want to undercut this president and his presidency. so this is not about obama care, i beg to differ on this point. this is about president obama and that's all it is. it's about the president, not his program per se. >> we just learned that the senate voted, as expected, that they would to kill the house republicans request for formal negotiations. now, i understand what you just said about conferencing and the fact that you made the offer so many times in the past to conference over the budget. but are you worried, congressman, the american people are looking and saying, look, 800,000 workers out of a job, a million more aren't being paid, essential services that are not getting done right now, i can't

go to vacation, i can't go this weekend to the national park or to the smithsonian because of what's going on. why won't you talk? are you worried that that's what the perception will be, that the republicans are offering to talk and you're saying no? >> that is not true and i think the american public knows that. that's why you see these numbers. the lowest in the history of the congress for the republicans to be, down at 17, the full congress down to 10 because the american people know that the republicans are dealing with brinksmanship here. they're not talking about negotiations, they're not talking about finding common ground. they're saying that my idea, as one of them said about compromising, is when all the democrats come to my way of thinking. that is not the way we run the government. that is not the way people interact with each other. and then do have this mocking of the president on the floor last night. i've known john boehner for a long time. i was highly disappointed when i

saw that. that is taking the discourse to a lower level than i have seen it since my colleague from south carolina yelled out "you lie" in the middle of the president's state of the union address. >> let me play for you, because you're talking about compromise, mitch mcconnell. this is literally just minutes ago on the floor of the house, congressman. mitch mcconnell talking about his perspective on compromise. >> today they have gone even further. they have now said they won't even agree to sit down and work out differences. they won't even talk about it. they literally just voted against working out a compromise. they seem completely -- >> your reaction to what he has to say. >> that is absolutely not quite true. and i think senator mcconnell knows that. i just said we democrats had a budget proposal of 1058.

that was our budget. the republicans wanted 988. we finally agreed to that number. i call that compromising. i don't like that because i want to get rid of the sequester. they say they want to get rid of the sequester. the way to do that is to agree to go to a conference on the full budget and during this six-week period we will work out a way of getting rid of the sequester to the satisfaction of the republicans and hopefully the satisfaction of the democrats. that's what we ought to be doing. but to say that the president must give up his signature program that they would like has got nothing to do with the budget. that's paid for. it starts today. that's not a budget issue. it has been vetted by the supreme court. over five million more americans voted for president obama last

november than voted for his republican opponent. if that's not vetting the program, what is? they would like to resers tvers election of last year and that's not the way they do it by shutting down the government, putting people ill at ease and then trying to put a gun to the heads of those of us who serve in this congress. >> congressman james clyburn, always good to have you on the program, sir. thank you so much. >> thank you for having me. >> karen, the conventional wisdom for the past several weeks was that if the government did indeed go to a shutdown, it would happen for a couple of days and the pressure would go so strongly that they would figure something out. it just sounds to me as i was listening last night and listening again this morning, i wonder if the longer this goes on, the harder it gets to solve. i don't know, what do you think? >> well, having lived through this in '95 and the first few days of '96, i think actually the pressures build up on

everybody to do something to end it. people out in the country look at this and go this is just absolutely absurd and they end it. interestingly the person who ended it last time was bob dole. bob dole went into the shutdown last time with all the polls showing that you would have put your money on him to beat president clinton in the '96 elections. that shutdown absolutely destroyed that lead and probably destroyed his chance of being elected, and in fact put bill clinton on the path to a landslide. those are the kinds of pressures people will begin to see that not only -- nobody comes out of a shutdown as a winner. but at this point i think it's hard to look at this and say the republicans are going into this with anything but a losing hand. >> but is there anybody who can step forward who will be able to bridge this divide, which is really so much different than it was back in '95 and '96, the

level of distrust and vitriol is so different. >> and the level of distrust between republicans. in '96 bob dole had the grauf toss and he could command some respect or you had a newt gingrich that was a strong speaker. right now the problem that the republicans have is that they don't really have a leader. into that vacuum has come ted cruz, who's looking at 2016. but the immediate election in front of us is a midterm. so the political incentives of a midterm are the opposite in a lot of ways than the incentives of a presidential election. it's a lower turnout election. so for republicans all the incentives are to keep on coddling their most extreme faction in the base. >> i would argue that that is the case on the house side. but the senate, in the senate the republicans have a real chance here of recapturing the senate. and when you run statewide, you

have to appeal to everybody in your state. and so i would say keep an eye here on mitch mcconnell. he has in fact kept his powder sort of dry through all of this. at some point he's going to look at whether that potential senate majority is slipping out of his grasp. >> we will continue to follow it and i thank you, karen and joanne, for helping us work our way through this first day of the shutdown. we also continue to watch the floors of both the house and senate with, again, no deal in sight. so this morning the departments of housing, labor, energy, commerce and the epa are largely closed. national parks are closed not just in washington but across the country. there are more than 400 of them. by the way, today just happens to be yosemite's 123rd birthday. some less visited and privately owned sites and attractions are still open. arlington national cemetery, george washington's mt. vernon. also open, the post office and air traffic control towers. even though the smithsonian is closed, attractions like the

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it's here. the government may be shut down, but obama care is open for business this morning. so millions of americans are now eligible to register and begin searching for the best price for insurance, something that's been elusive for the 15% of americans who are uninsured. now even supporters know it will be a slow start n a new nbc kaiser family foundation poll, 49% say they're confused about the new law and they're not alone. >> i don't really understand what's going to happen with affordable care act or obama care. i don't know what will really

change. it seems like it's very complex legislation, but i think we should try it. >> there's still a lot of people that don't know what it's about. you know, if they can qualify for it. >> my taxes went up $4,000 to fund obama care. >> i'm joined now by washington state governor jay ensley. good morning. >> a great morning. historic morning. >> you also heard someone say that their taxes went up $4,000 because of obama care. there's a lot of misinformation out there. you're one of the states that has an online state-run exchange. let me start with getting the message out. how do you feel about where it stands right now, in your state and from what you know around the country? >> i feel great. this is a historic morning. after 60 years of effort, our nation has finally come to terms to find a way for people to have health insurance. it's a healthy thing, a good

thing, a wonderful thing that now in my state, in what we call the real washington, we're not letting the shenanigans in washington, d.c., slow us down a bit. we're open for business. now up to a million people in my state for the first time will be able to have affordable health care and that's a tremendous thing in my state. it's interesting that it's moving forward and it moved forward in my state on a bipartisan basis. both republicans and democrats embraced this because we knew it was a healthy thing for people to have health insurance and the fiscal aspect, this was paid for and helped my state to the tube of about $300 million. so we are open for business. it is a good thing. i've got to tell you, this rocket has left the pad. the republicans in washington, d.c., they're barking up the wrong tree on this. when people have insurance, which they will now have in my state in about an hour, people in washington, d.c., are not going to be able to take it away from them. we're moving forward on health

care and i'm very excited about this. >> at what point do you think the argument stops? there are people like you who are supporters. one of the concerns that they have expressed on this program is that whenever you have a big rollout, there are going to be problems and the republicans would seize on that. we're already hearing from reuters reporting that some error messages on the national site, maryland, they report, has had a four-hour delay. i want to play for you what a former obama health care adviser said about the rollout today. >> well, you would like them to be operational. you would have liked extensive beta testing. but let's be serious. there will be a lot of revision over the next ten weeks. >> and if you add that health and human services secretary kathleen se bebelius was on nbc last night and admits there's a lot of confusion. have government officials not done a good job of getting the message out there, governor? >> no, i think they have done a

good job. this has been a high job technically to develop this system. americans have watched rollout of new technology from all kinds of companies from amazon to microsoft to you know it. these are great incredibly successful companies with incredibly successful products. but sometimes in the first few days there are glitches and americans know to expect that when you have a high-tech new event and we certainly have that. no, i think this is going to roll forward again. because as a million people in my state find out they can get insurance, i don't believe congress is going to reel that back in nor should they. i've heard them talking about having a conference in congress. we had a conference. it was called an election. we had an election where people voted five million more for this candidate and this was a plan named after president obama. so i think we're ready to rock and roll here and we will move forward. there will be changes in this program, by the way. we've changed medicare probably every year since its inception,

and that may be the case as we move forward on this particular plan. but when we adopted social security, franklin roosevelt did not allow it to be abandoned because there were still lingering questions about it. when we adopted medicare, lyndon johnson did not stand by to allow it to be dismantled by the last acts of desperation of a party who's always been against health care. i think it's good president obama is standing tall in the saddle and seeing this through. it's going to mean potentially health care for one million people in my state, and that's a good thing. >> good to have you on the program, thank you. >> thank you. at the age of 76, pope francis continues to move toe speed of light. today he's gathering together eight cardinals dubbed the papalg-8 to work on a plan to reform the church. this would be the first major change for the church in 25 years. pope francis spoke to la replica

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it's time for republicans to stop obsessing over old battles. i mean i say to my republican friends, obama care is over. it's past, it's the law. and all over america today -- >> senate majority leader harry reid just moments ago taking aim at republicans for insisting on tying the budget battle to the effort to delay obama care. so here's the question this morning. should members of congress pay a price for letting the government shut down, for not doing their jobs? the "washington post" asked readers for their suggestions. the answers were pretty blunt. line them up and shoot them. i consider what they're doing treason. no pay and must enroll in obama care. make them spend the night in d.c. jail. one frustrated federal worker had another idea. >> congress needs to be turned

over somebody's knee and spanked real hard because they're acting like small children. >> joining me to talk about this, msnbc political analyst jonathan alter, author of "the center holds, obama and his enemies" and robert costa is a contributor to cnbc. good morning, guys. >> hi, chris. >> good morning. >> there's this new quinnipiac poll that finds the majority of americans blame both parties for gridlock but 18% blame republicans more than democrats. bottom line here, jonathan, is anybody going to pay a price for this shutdown besides the government workers who aren't getting their paychecks? >> yeah, i think eventually the republicans, as harry reid calls them, the banana republicans, because what they're doing is essentially turning us into a banana republic by putting a gun to the head of the country, i think they'll pay a price ultimately. obviously it's not good for the president and the democrats either in the short term. but what this is solidifying is

that a group of republicans, banana republicans, tea party republicans, whatever you want to call them, are far outside the mainstream and not willing to recognize the results of a presidential election, a supreme court decision. and i think that eventually we're going to look back at this as a reckoning, as an important moment something but for this particular point in time, i guess the question is will they pay any immediate price? jim had a little different perspective this morning on "morning joe." let me play that. >> none of these republicans are going to feel it in their district. their district loves this stuff. they love that their members are taking on the president. they love the idea that government is shut down. >> robert, is he right? >> i think he is right. the way a lot of these conservative red state districts are drawn, you see republicans rallying for a shutdown to fight on on obama care. four years after those original

town halls for obama care, republicans are still trying to lit kbigate in the public discoe on obama care. when they go back i think they'll be cheered and celebrated for standing strong. >> one of the things they're going to avoid, they think, is avoid a primary challenge from somebody even further to the right. >> i don't disagree with anything that's just been said. but one of the questions is what does this do to the national republican party. obviously the people who are doing this are from very conservative districts. >> does speaker boehner keep his job? >> i think ultimately he does not. he's in an absolutely impossible position. he's not holding any cards. ike they'll be so angry when they lose, this is a guess, that they'll throw him out and bring in eric cantor as the new speaker. >> we do have a short attention span, that is one thing for sure, robert. i'm wondering how this is going to play in 2014. i'm trying to imagine what some of the ads might look like. we know both sides are using

this for fund-raising. >> that's exactly right, chris. for much of the year republicans expected to rewin the house majority in 2014. now you have a lot of older members behind the scenes getting a little nervous because maybe the tea party wing of the party is pushing too hard on a shutdown and they don't think the majority is in jeopardy yet. if this shutdown continues to extend and continues to cause political pain, they may end a few seats. >> i need a one sentence answer from both of you. robert, how long does the shutdown lasts? >> i think until the debt limit in mid-october. >> john? >> i think a week. >> all right. we'll check back. see who's closer to the truth. thank you, guys. jonathan, robert, appreciate it. let's check the news feed this morning. rescuers in colorado have to wait until this afternoon for the area around a denver hiking trail to stabilize before they can remove the bodies of five hikers killed in a rock slide. a teenage girl was the only survivor. she shielded by her father. >> a bunch of rocks, looking

underneath looking for anybody that was surviving. and i heard a small girl cry out. i can only see her hand coming up through the boulders. so, you know, i immediately went over there and started tossing off the boulders. i'm glad that she survived. her dad is a real hero. really saved her life. >> 13-year-old gracie johnson was airlifted to a denver hospital with a broken leg. witnesses say some of the boulders that fell were the size of cars. new york city police are investigating an extreme case of road rage caught on a helmet camera. it started when a motorcycle driver apparently cut off an suv during the hollywood block party rally sunday. the suv driver then hit the motorcycle's back wheel. everyone stopped. police say that's when bikers started attacking the suv. the man's wife and toddler were inside, so he takes off, running over another biker, hurting his leg. the motorcycles take chase, they

swarm the suv. when it finally comes to a red light, the bikers attack. one driver took off his helmet and smashed it through the window. they then dragged the driver outside and assaulted him in front of his wife and child. he had to be taken to the hospital. just moments ago, we learned the motorcyclist originally hit by the suv was charged with reckless endangerment and endangering the welfare of a child. the investigation is ongoing. an italian judge has ordered more testing to determine if amanda knox's dna is on the weapon used to kill her roommate. previous tests were thrown out because the dna sample on the knife were too small. knox and her former boyfriend are facing a third trial after being acquitted two years ago. guess what, this might not be the last trial. in italy, there's no statute of limitations on murder. london olympics track star lolo jones is stepping away from the hurdles and onto the bobsled track trying to make the u.s. team for the sochi games and she's bulking up to do it.

jones now eats about 9,000 calories a day. that includes four mcdonald's bacon cheeseburgers. she wants to go from 137 to 160 pounds. must say can y muscular enough to push that heavy sled. all water is taking on amazon in a clash of retail giants. jackie deangeles is here with what's moving your money. hey, jackie, good morning. walmart apparently wants a bigger piece of online sales. >> well, it is walmart's largest warehouse ever. its soul purpose will be to pill these online orders. this is to try to compete with amazon.com. this facility, expected to open in the early part of next year, it's based in bethlehem, pennsylvania. it's going to be more than a million square feet in size. what's significant here is that walmart is traditionally this bricks and mortar retailer that we think of. now feeling the heat, it's got to keep up with its rivals on the web. walmart's online sales last year, roughly $7.11 billion.

compare that to amazon.com, $61 billion, so a big gap to try to close. >> and maybe lolo jones has firgsd this out. fast food isn't quite as fast as it used to be. >> we'll have to wait a little longer to get those four big macs. the fast food giants are fighting a war against the clock right now. an annual survey revealed that wendy's has the shortest drive-through time, about a two-minute wait. mcdonald's, three minutes 10 seconds. it's not just the longer wait times at the golden arches. it's happening at all the other chains. what's even more interesting is why the wait times are increasing. it's due in part to the increase in options on the menu, chris. >> does that kill you when people are just parked there and it's like they're looking at it like they have never seen a menu before. five minutes later, they order like a big mac and fries. >> exactly. >> okay. not that i ever go to mcdonald's. stocks took a hit yesterday over the shutdown worries.

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e-readers may help dyslexia patients. a new study shows people with dyslexia read faster and understand more of what they read when using e-readers as opposed to paper. the reason, shorter lines and fewer words on a page, making it easier to focus. outside the washington bubble and this obama care battle is a fight over what to teach our schoolchildren about how the world was made and how it's being affected by global warming. getting a lot of attention now is texas, where there's a panel that will choose high school textbooks to be used for the next decade and it includes members who do not accept evolution and climate change as scientific truth. as you can see, it's been drawing protests. joining me live, ryan valentine, deputy director of the texas freedom net work, a watchdog group that monitors the far

right in that state. good morning, ryan. it's good to see you. >> good morning, chris. happy to be here. >> 25 years ago the supreme court rules it's unconstitutional to teach creationism in public schools and the justices in the majority have equated it to religious beliefs so how is it that you're having this fight in texas? >> well, the bottom line in texas, chris, is we hand over decisions about what goes in textbooks to partisan-elected politicians, not to scientists or folks who understand the science. when you have a system that allows politicians to make those decisions, you just end up relitigating these things over and over. that's what's happening in texas this year. we're starting our once a decade adoption of new science textbooks that will be in classes in texas and around the country for the next generation of students. so it's a high-stakes decision here. there's a number of members on that board who have for a long time made it their number one goal to get information in those textbooks that question the validity and the science of global warming and evolution. that's why the big fuss in texas

this year. >> and i think people are watching it this year because you're not alone. there are 14 different states fighting similar battles, so this isn't just in a vacuum. one of the arguments that folks on the other side are making is that this isn't about religion, it's about academic freedom. let me play for you a clip from the president of texas values. >> science is a field where there's a lot of exploration. people like to ask a lot of questions. and i think that's important. i think students should be allowed the opportunity to continue to ask questions and to have good, critical thinking skills. that's how they're going to be successful in the 21st century is if they're allowed to have those critical thinking skills and not be censored from what questions they ask in the classroom. >> not using the word god, not using the word religion. do you think that argument about giving kids a chance to use critical thinking skills is a strong one on the part of those who agree with you? >> it's not, chris, because there's a straw man. there's no one preventing kids in a classroom from asking

questions. that's what we want kids to do in classroom. this is about the instructional materials they'll have in front of them and whether they'll reflect the most accurate, best, modern science that scientists tell us should be in those textbooks or the ideological opinions of those like the gentleman whose clip you just played. we strongly believe that to get kids ready for college and good jobs that rely on good scientific background, those textbooks should include only the best science, not discredited arguments against evolution or creationism. the best science that gets kids ready for good jobs. >> documents also show several members on the textbook panel recommend removing information about climate change in science books. do you think that that is going to be the next front in the debate over school textbooks? >> in many ways it's just a continuation of the same strategy. there are folks who sit on the state board of education in texas and on the panels they appointed to review these material that say deny the existence of global warming and climate change, just like they

do evolution. their tactics are the same. get those discredited ideas into textbooks so the next generation of students learn them. but in texas, citizens, educators are not letting this happen. they're speaking out against this and in favor of good science. >> ryan valentine, thanks for coming on. >> thanks for having me. >> today's tweet of the day comes from chuck todd. the last thing blackberry needed, the last folks who actually used the device have just been furloughed today due to the government shutdown. side: when the storms are this powerful, the batteries had better be powerful, too. introducing duracell quantum. only duracell quantum has a hi-density core. and that means more fuel, more power, more performance than the next leading brand. so, whether you're out on the front lines or you're back home, now you have the power. new duracell quantum. trusted everywhere.

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it is day one for the historic health care overhaul that has caused so much controversy in washington. right now the landmark program's first subscribers are signing up. let's go live to nbc's mark potter is who is at a health care clinic in miami. mark, good morning. i guess they're taking a pretty aggressive plan on to get people signed up today? >> reporter: absolutely. there's been a lot of outreach and it's starting to work. people are coming in here. chris, we're at a medical center

in miami which services about 17,000 low income patients a year. two-thirds of them have no insurance, the rest covered by medicaid and medicare. so given that, today is a pretty big day. they have set up this room here where people can come in to talk to counselors, to learn about the program, to start signing up. there have been some computer glitches, but they're starting to smooth out. but we're told that some of the sister clinics of this one up in orlando actually have long lines of people, unlike here, where they're slowly filtering in. the ceo of this clinic says this is a new day for low income patients. >> that means that they can come earlier. if they have chronic diseases, they can come in, we can start to treat them. they avoid going to the emergency rooms. the cost of care is paid for and funded by the local community. >> reporter: now, an issue here in florida is about a million

very poor people in florida who had been hoping for extended medicaid coverage will not be getting it because florida elected not to take $50 billion in federal dollars offered to expand that program. so those people may not be able to afford this insurance and will end up back in emergency rooms like they have been in the past. >> mark potter live for us down there in florida. thank you so much. that's going to wrap up this hour of "jansing & co." i'm chris jansing. mara shauf ca at 12:25 the president is scheduled to speak to the nation and we'll have that for you live. i'll see you back here tomorrow. in the nation, sometimes bad things happen.

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