stand by. chuck todd is with you. >> 33 hours and counting. hopes of a quick fix are fading. the house and senate keep rejecting each other's funding bills and both sides point to debating the debt limit deadline two weeks away. what members of the tea party caucus said about the shut down and efforts to roll back the law and the personal interaction with president obama. more of our special series of deep dives into the health care law. a look at what new options are out there if you are 55 or older. whether or not it's a better deal than you had before. hint, preexisting conditions make it a better deal no matter what. it's wednesday, october 2nd, 2013. let's get to the first reads of the morning. this is a plate california war. with the shut down in the second

day, neither side is blinking. over 800,000 federal workers are feeling washington dysfunction in a personal way. the national parks and museum are closed. there is a lot of bigger issues. service is crucial in many american lives have stopped. nutrition benefits for nine million pregnant women are on hold. a group of 92 mississippi gulf coast honor flight veterans on the country to see a monument erected in their honor. stormed with members of congress who are uncomfortable with the symbol of gridlock. >> the pain is not just symbolic. vocational counseling for veterans will be limited. the centers for disease control said they have limited capacity to respond to food borne illnesses with reduced staff and they will stop the food

monitoring program. the fda awe spended monitoring of imported food and drugs. they stopped the monitoring of imported food and drugs. 400,000 civilian employees have been furloughed. chuck hagel said that will impact military readiness. on a lighter note, the leaf air force game scheduled for saturday may be off. on tuesday they suspended all athletics at the service acts. let me pause. there is so much money in the ncaa. maybe they ought to pick up the cost of this and all the people that make so much money on the ncaa in college football ought to pick up the cost. just saying. hundreds of thousands of federal worker who is have been sent home without pay can't contain their frustration and all of us in washington. >> right now i'm terrified.

i'm terrified. if they had to live on what most of us work at and live on, they couldn't make it. >> it means that we have to make our groceries extend for two or weeks instead of the week we have. we have to maybe make the gas in the car last that much longer. >> we are already down to the bare minimum. >> in washington both sides retreated to their corners. the president will shorten his trip. as of this morning the president still plans to leave for ind yeezia on saturday, but it's not clear much will happen while he's away and it's not clear he is going to take the trip. a final decision probably on friday on that front. the indonesia stop includes a

big meeting called apac and that includes china. republicans dug in and acted the most united they have been in days. they were even somewhat enthusiastic to be sharing the same set of talking points. >> i think it's fair to say none of us want to be in a shut down. we are here to say to the senate democrats, come and talk to us. this is how we resolve our differences. >> we want our colleagues to work with us. we want to get this done. we want the government to open. >> my goodness, they won't even sit down and have a discussion about this. >> speaker boehner and the house republicans are engaging in sill silly political stunts. >> what's striking is that house republicans refused to months to negotiate over the budget, but by senate republicans who are agreeing to stay silent. house republicans believe for

the first time since the shut down started that they may not be clobbered politically. that may be wishful thinking. they attempted to pass three resolutions to fund three very specific parts of the government. national parks, veteran services and the district of columbia. they used a procedure that required a 2/3 majority. they didn't get what they needed. the aides say we could see votes on similar mini funding bills under a rule that requires only a majority vote. the demrats led by harry reid insists they will not pick winners and losers and the white house threatened to veto bills that got to the disk if it got through the senate. while republicans appeared united for a day, democrats continued to be as united as they have been. the president using very harsh language to split the go, on, approximate.

-- approximate gop. >> that i shut down over a crusade to deny health insurance to millions of americans. they don't get to hold the economy hostage or ideological demands. >> with both sides digging in in, we are in uncharted territory. as of today, treasury has begun using the final extraordinary measures to meet obligations. if the debt ceiling is not raised by october 17th, the u.s. government will not be able to pay its bills and the only way to resolve shut down is to tie to the looming debt ceiling fight. >> we have a debt limit coming. that's in about two weeks. most budget agreements in the past have always involved debt limit increases. that's what we think will be the foring action to bring the two parties together. >> the core of the shut down is

a fight that is brewing since the president won his first term. they propelled the republicans to take over the house and they're the engine behind the stand off. >> one faction of one party in one house of congress in one branch of government shut down major parts of the government because they didn't like one law. >> the faction he is referring to is a group of about 80 members who wrote a letter to speaker boehner urging him to use this as a wedge to reverse the affordable care act, something boehner was never in favor of. >> it was penitentiary to stand on principal. since the 20 tep elections, we made it clear we don't like obama care and never had a chance to vote on it. >> the folks come from the most conservative districts. they captured 65% of the vote in their districts where the president barely cracked 37%.

they represent only a third of the republicans in the house and represent only 18% of the american population. who are they? kansas republican who you heard from and where the president didn't even break 28%. in fact he is confident his constituents are not missing the government. >> most americans didn't realize the government shut down. they got their mail and will get their social security check. >> that in louisiana, the same day they sent barack obama to the white house. cassidy got 79%. the president got 32%. one of the comfortable margins cassidy argues it's not about ideology. they would not budge until the democrats budge on the health care law in some way. you know that that is something

the white house sides a total non-starter. i want to bring in peter alexander from a fairly empty national mall. they closed and that's one of the casualties of the government shut down. we have been talking about the lighter effects and tourists upset and things like that. the serious effects and impacts on people's everyday lives. people are there at the knife's edge when it comes to economic well being. you have been talking to people. >> this has been the united nations of tour i. we met people from all over and all of these people are struggling to read english and walking up to the doors where they learn that the museums will be shut down. they come up to us trying to figure out what this means and how it got there. as one person said how does this happen in america? a lot of people are asking

themselves that right now. we had an interesting conversation with a couple that doesn't live far from where we are in alexandria, virginia. they are talking about their experience as a stay at home father. the mom just was furloughed from her job as a data analyst with the health and human services department. they have week's worth of savings to get by on. this could last more than a week. the implications for real families in america, it's significant. not skruft in the shadow of the capital, but across the country. >> one of the things we have to point out is the next pressure point. when the next round of federal paychecks are supposed to go out. it's in about ten days. the government workers just god paid at the end of september. joining me now, johnny isaacson at the end of georgia. he served three terms in the

house and the speaker had to resign in 1999. you watched from afar the last government shut down and in the middle of this. how does this end some . >> the longest one was 21 days and the shortest was day. you could see an end game. right now there is no end game in sight. >> let me ask you this. how republicans are saying the senate democrats are not negotiating. democrats argue it's essentially the equivalent of negotiating. you want to punch us in the face ten times and you want to get

down to five. that's where democrats are at this point. how did we get to this place? i'm guessing you are not someone who thought shutting down the government over the health care law was an appropriate way to go? >> i was not of that mind set, but we are in the situation now so you deal with the hand that has been dealt you. somewhere some thoughts the democrats in competitive races might be soft on main taping obama care and defund it or change it. that didn't happen. the vote in the democratic party and the senate is monolithic and you have this irresistible force. i don't see it changing. the democratses have taken a number of votes and they haven't changed it. we have to change the debate. i am proud the republicans started coming to the table and negotiated without a condition. >> how is it not a precondition.

there is a precondition. they want to change in the health care law that the president says he's willing to negotiate on that stuff if it's tied to an annual budget and not a-week funding mechanism. >> instead of defunding which is not going to happen. we demonstrated that already. we talked about repealing all the waivers and exceptions. that's what the american people would support. it doesn't have anything to do with defunding obama care and makes it a level playing field. >> there budget appropriations coming up and the debt limit coming up. is it the responsible course? get to november 15th and pass something and everybody gets in the room. is that unreasonable? >> that's not necessarily unrealm at all and i didn't support a shut down. we have a debt ceiling looming

on october 17th. we don't need to default on debt. we need to get around a table and figure out the solutions to america's problems. hopefully it's always darkest before the dawn and the dawn is coming quickly. >> it seems to be you guys are more united than people realize, but you are not very vocal about the critiques about how you the house is handling this. this creates a political problem, but if this is going to end, it seems how it's going to end is you guys in the senate. the republicans saying enough. >> that may be the case, but there a lot of ways to say it's enough in a food fight within the party is not the way to to it. we are not going to create a division with our party, but we will talk about other routes we might take. >> your sense, is it going to be through next week before anything happens?

>> i hate to make a prediction like that. it won't go as long as a lot of people will think. i have children and grandchildren and people that are affected. that effect will be greater and greater as paychecks don't come. it may happen sooner than you think. >> i need to ask you this quickly. this is what a lot of government workers are nervous about. are you going to be in favor of retro actively making sure the people get paid? >> it wasn't their fault we shut down. >> appreciate the straight talk this morning. good talking with you. still ahead, interesting side effect of the government shut down. the closures are sparking protests and the shut down is raising a lot of money if are reelection. it's going to drive somebody crazy. we will have michael to explain exactly how much this fiscal standoff is filling covers.

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waste. it translated into a huge money maker for lawmakers on both sides of the aisle. we have an inside look at more. >> even as the government shuts down, both parties are cranking up fund-raising,ic rag up millions as they cash in from washington's gridlock. >> they exploit it as an opportunity to get supporters and to raise a lot of cash. >> nbc news obtained copies of a flood of money pitches. here's president obama. a group of far right republicans in congress is obsessed and refused to pass a budget unless i let them sabotage obama care. links take you directionally to this donate payment of organizing for action. a pro obama lobbying group. and for paul ryan. he is denouncing the train wreck of obama care and asking for immediate donations to the r in,

c. they held their coming together gala raising $1 million in fresh cash when speaker john boehner canceled, newt gingrich who was speaker in the last shut down answered the call. >> this is the once a year event when the big supporters come out. >> some did cancel fu >> michael, i heard that monday night up until that deadline, the september 30th deadline was the biggest single fund-raising die for some. >> the dnc said they raised nearly $850,000 in the 24 hours before the shut down, more cash than on any day since the 2012 election. it's good evidence that while the congress men may not be able to fund the government, they are

able to fund themselves. >> it's a flurry of campaign cash. that makes them feel good about the economies this morning anyway. thanks very much. i will bring in director of the congressional black caucus and washington correspondent. anna, you have been doing reporting on the fund-raising as well. i couldn't believe when i heard, i'm not surprised and i know this is a partisan fight like nobody's business. the galas are out there, but that is small potatoes compared to online. >> it's bringing in money and getting people to sign petitions even if they are not doing big dollars. they can gather that momentum behind the grass roots. >> i am going to go, i assume you heard johnny isaacson, my theory and it seems like he is

buying into it while saying it it expressly. they are the ones that seem the most uncomfortable. >> i don't know that you will see them devoid, but that's where the battle needs to be won. things like the senate race in new jersey is a long shot, but a lot in 2014 where there is a real opportunity for republicans to pick up seats. what i'm thinking is if republicans can can take this energy at the grass roots and the base is feeding some of the this fight on the hill, they can channel this not intoes esfforto beat up on republicans, if we can focus that effort on taking out democrats, we will begin to win battles like the one being fought on the hill. >> that's how they get won or lost. which party breaks. >> sure.

>> i don't see, mark is as dug in as anybody. you would assume that republica republicans. >> no one is going to do that. particularly when you look at the fact that the roll out was yesterday. it was a smashing success. there were a couple of hiccups. >> folks at the white house say ask me again in three days.

. >> that's not true. people were curious. we know there were a lot of viewers. >> anna, that's going to be the issue. i think there were constituents and some of these more conservative lawmakers would stop yesterday. that didn't stop it. >> they said this was a concern. there were a lot of constituents on the right who felt like if they shut down the government, obama care would not go into law. that's false. >> that's what particularly senate republicans, the ones that are mad at ted cruz. he created an expectation that can't be met. >> for supporters, we have defund obama care and pass a resolution. the house has done its job and sent a number of different bills. harry reid is not going anything. they need to articulate an end

game. >> let me ask you, do you shut down the government and say this strategy worked because we repeal the medical device tax? >> i feel like at a certain point -- >> >> is that worth it? >> this is a tough situation. i have been seeing polling numbers for weeks now that indicated that this was a dangerous path to go down. we are here and so the house by trying to change on- >> your firm has been reminding people. >> the house by sending multiple things over. >> a president not worried about reelection. >> that's a huge issue. you have to look at they are on the wrong side of the issue. there consequences and i don't think it will be for the democrats. >> we shall see.

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a million people visited the site tuesday, but the heavy online traffic forced long delays. what's worse? they had to wait about a half hour or more to talk to someone. for more than two hours we were on the website and people got messages like this one saying due to high traffic they had problems. the spokesman said the agency is aware of the problems and is working to fix them. president obama said the heavy demand is a good thing and insisted the roll out glitches are not uncommon. >> consider that judge suftst a of weeks ago apple rolled out a new system. within days they found a glitch and fixed it. i don't remember anybody suggesting they should stop selling iphone or ipads or suggesting they shut down the company. we get to work and make them better. >> we showed you what insurance

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we are in the 34th hour of the shut down and looks like it will stay that way for quite sometime. we will talk to dick durbin about the chances of a compromise and whether there is anything the democrats are ready to give in on. first you want to know the white house soup of the day. they oh, us a bunch, but for now we are getting a japanese favorite. miso. we'll be right back. nsurance. everybody knows that. well, did you know that when a tree falls in the forest and no one's around, it does make a sound? ohhh...ohhh...oh boy! i'm falling. everybody look out! ahhhhh...ugh. little help here. geico. fifteen minutes could save you...well, you know. anybody? and you're not very proud of that. but tonight he made pizza... ...with johnsonville italian sausage.

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democrats for blocking a potential deal and refusing to negotiate their differences. joining me now the number two leader, dick durbin. good morning to you. >> good to be with you. >> let's start with you said something about looking at this and think you were looking at it as an analyst. the shut down debate and the debt ceiling were going to get merged into one. do you have to negotiate? >> listen, there has to be a conversation. every parent knows if you give into a spoiled child today, it will be worse tomorrow. that's what we are facing. if we reach accommodation with the tea party republicans and speaker boehner today, two weeks from now we are in the soup again with the debt ceiling. the president understands and i understand that what they are

doing is reckless and irresponsible. we have to chart a course to face the problems squarely in a bipartisan way. >> can you do something to proactively break this standoff? is it passi ining a bill with bipartisan support that we have 15 republican senators with us on x. is that sort of the next steps here in trying to break this standoff? >> let me give you two specific examples. we pass comprehensive immigration reform with 14 republicans and 54 democrats. a sweeping historic bill. the house won't even take it up. we passed the farm bill, a strong measure and sent it over twice. they ignored it. they have an internal family problem. speaker boehner has to take control of the caucus. the problem he faces shouldn't

be america's problem. >> let me ask you this. you came on the show last week and said you know what, you voted to repeal it once and you are not happy about it. it's broad bipartisan support. could you do something like that. send over that stand alone bill and send it over to the house and don't connect it to government funding. sending a message here. you go take this up and now you have got your health care and let's move on. >> there many issues that could be discussed including the medical device tax. let's be honest. we are not going to consider that until the government is reopened and the debt ceiling is authorized. those are the basics. that's what you do when you come to work and face your responsibility as a member of

congress. then let's sit down on a constructively basis and find ways to make the affordable care act more effective. >> yesterday house republicans tried to pass piece meal funding bills. there is one everyone agreed to and that was guaranteeing pay for the uniformed military. why do that 1 and not consider others if they are clean? >> because it's unconscionable to think that men and women in uniform are risking their lives and wondering if they will get a paycheck. unacceptable. we said we would close down that issue. now they are picking and choosing those agency of government they think are worthwhile. honestly, that is really sad when you consider the possibilities. we are not going to open the national institutes of health. over 200 people were turned away for clinical trials including 30 children with cancer. if are goodness sakes, why don't

the tea party republicans open their eyes and understand that they are inflicting on this country a pain that is totally unnecessary. >> we could be here a while. i understand the position of the white house. i understand your position saying if you agree to negotiate on some of the things, it could lead to problems down the road. more standoffs since we were only talking about 75 days of funding. are you willing to sit here three or four weeks waiting for them to budge? >> you know the answer to that. if speaker boehner would call the continuing resolution which is the spending bill for the next six weeks, it would pass this afternoon. the government shut down would end. what's he afraid of? a bipartisan vote in the house of representatives to open the government. he doesn't know how he can face the tea party republicans if such a thing happens.

he hads to decide if he will get into a staring match or accept his responsibility as a leader of this nation. >> no conference and negotiation until they open the government. >> open the government and make sure we extend the debt ceiling. don't take out the temper at that point rums on the economy and, wooers ethe people of ame. >> thanks for coming on. in 1995 yosemite was shut down for 17 days. local businesses said they suffered deep financial losses around there. congratulations to today's winner. we'll be right back. katy perry is coming to town. can we get tickets, please???

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as you all know, crs do contain some changes but usually not many changes. our goal would be to make sure the government is funded and any political talk of a government shutdown is put to rest. >> you had said next year that you would repeal the health care vote. is that still your mission? >> well, i think the election changes that. it's pretty clear that the president was re-elected. obama care is the law of the land. our goal here is to cut spending. it's not to shut down the government. i believe that trying to put obama care on this vehicle risks shutting down the government. there should be no conversation about shutting the government down. >> well, that was a compilation of everything speaker boehner said after the election when it comes to government funding and health care. he may not be able to change many minds at the moment, but he

sure has changed his own over the past couple of months. let's bring in our gaggle, angela, kristen and anna. kristen, your firm does a lot of polling of both the senate and the house. clearly boehner was in one place on this and you can't help but see his hand was forced. this was not the strategy he believed was the best strategy. >> he's got a very diverse group of voices in his caucus. they have stayed united through plan a, plan b, plan c and plan d and that's to his credit. what's fascinated me most about this dynamic that's emerging is the one way i see out for republicans is if this very public posture that you see from folks like dick durbin, that you see from hearry reid, to be prod publicly i'm not negotiating and make that their key talking point is surprising. you almost think they would not negotiate but at least say i'm trying to negotiate. it sets up the potential dynamic where maybe the public does

start to think that it's republicans not to blame. >> angela, that's going to be a dynamic worth watching if republicans stick together like this. this is always about party unity. >> unfortunately, it's not something that we want to just idly sit back and watch. this whole debacle is literally impacting american lives. federal workers, folks who were just talking about flu shots. these are things that really impact every single one of us. we have to get to a point where our legislators remember that policy riders have no place in a continuing resolution or appropriations measure for any reason. as long as those are attached to these measures, we are stuck. they don't belong there and there's not going to be any agreement on them. >> anna, the raw politics is democrats have seen all those clips. they know where speaker boehner was and where senate republicans were and they're convinced those guys are going to cry uncle a lot sooner than mark pryor. >> this is a standoff and you've seen republicans cave on these issues. >> although republicans think they have seen the president cave on negotiating over the

debt ceiling and that's why they -- paul ryan has been the advocate of that. he says, you know what, he's done it before, he'll do it again. >> it will be very interesting the next couple of days because you're starting to see some of the more moderate members, pete king and others say we need to move this forward. frank wolf has made some noise in that direction. certainly the mess annuaging th house republicans are doing is saying we are doing things. we're trying to lay on the democrats the blame. >> it's time for shameless plugs. kristen. >> it's my mom's birthday. happy birthday, mom. >> that's a simple one. all right. angela. >> just a plea to please work this out. this is hard to watch for folks inside the beltway or without. >> it is. >> i want to call my colleague's story that is out about how boehner has actually been trying to save the health care subsidies, something that he has publicly gone in the other direction. >> this is what -- this is always -- this is part of the go nuclear plan. mine is for, again, ancaa

and all the money that you make on college football. would it kill you to pay for air force to ply to annapolis and for all the service academies over the next few weeks while they're under this restriction themselves. not the hardest thing for you to do, i think you've got it. that's it for this edition of "the daily rundown." we'll be right back here tomorrow at nine. coming up next, chris jansing gets the baton. chris, off to you. i'm meteorologist bill karins with your business travel forecast. pack the sunglasses and sunscreen because it certainly feels like summer across the board today. temperatures well above average, pretty much from the rockies all the way to the northern portions of the country and even the southeast is still very warm. there's not many airport problems today, just a few afternoon storms in the southeast. have a great day.

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