very good about the wk they do. >> they're remarkable people. jimmy williams, thanks so much, jimmy, for walking with us through today's broadcast and thank you for watching. of course, "the ed show" will pick up our breaking news coverage of the shooting on capitol hill right now. ed, over to you. good evening, americans, and welcome to "the ed show." we begin with breaking news of another shooting in washington, d.c. it unfolded shortly after 2:00 p.m. a woman attempted to ram her car through a date at the white house at 15th and e streets. the secret service pursued the suspect roughly 12 blocks to 1st and constitution where the suspect hit a police car. the chase then went on for another two blocks where shots were fired at 2nd and maryland near the senate hart building. at that point the woman was shot and killed by u.s. capitol police. this afternoon vermont senator bernie sanders described the

situation near the hart senate office building. >> we heard what seemed to be four shots. >> you were also with two senators. [ inaudible question ] >> i don't believe that i have seen -- [ inaudible ]. >> so it was four or five shots. do you remember how close? >> bang, bang, bang. >> bang, bang, bang? okay. [ inaudible question ] >> it sounded to me like that, yes. >> and then you had to run to the capitol or run outside? >> the police suggested we come back to the hospital. >> a small child was reportedly found in her car. the united states capitol was put on lockdown shortly after 2:20 this afternoon. the lock doudown was lifted aro 3:00 p.m. one capitol police officer was injured in the crash, but no police were reportedlyshot. police say this is an isolated incident and there is no current danger to public safety.

president obama was briefed on the incident numerous times this afternoon and is being updated. capitol hill police are expected to give a briefing at 6:00 p.m. we'll bring that to you live here on msnbc. let's go now to nbc's capitol hill correspondent kelly o'donnell. kelly, what is the latest? this has been an afternoon of confusion. the backdrop, a heated political debate in america and all of a sudden security takes the front stage for a few hours. what is the latest? >> it has been quite a day here, ed, as you can imagine. there had been so much tension in the air of purely the political kind, and then so abruptly it turned into this crisis where people did not know the extent of this violent act. we saw police activity, we heard police activity, and right now i can tell you that there is a calm returning. the work of the business of congress is returning, but there are many questions that need to be answered and investigators from the u.s. capitol police, the secret service, national

park service, and the washington, d.c. metro police department are all working on that and we expect in about an hour or so to get another briefing, an update on information. but the pictures have been extraordinary. this is a place that welcomes the public in. so on a daily basis i come to work here every day, we see hundreds, if not thousands of tourists, who come here from around the country and around the world who are welcomed here, and so at a time when this police activity took place, they were obviously in sort of harm's way, so to speak, being ear witnesses, eyewitnesses to what took place. senators themselves had been ear witnesses to what took place, describing hearing the popping sound of gunfire. the u.s. capitol police have been working here during the shutdown, not being paid. it remains to be seen if when this is all over with politically if there will be legislation to provide them for their salaries during this interim period, but they've been on the job and obviously performed with all of their

tactical experience today. we see them day in, day out, and i'm always struck by how they have i think perhaps different than almost all other law enforcement, they interact with the public in some of the happiest of times, directing tours, talking to people, answering questions in a friendly manner, and then they are also the same individuals who are called upon to respond when there is a true, genuine, life-threatening crisis. it has been a tense afternoon. we can say that officials are telling all of the people who work on capitol hill, and there are some who are still here even though many have been furloughed, that the business of congress can return to normal. the investigating fills this gap to try to provide more answers. >> kelly, where did this all start? did it start at the white house? >> what we're being told is there was an incident near the white house as well, a chase in which the vehicle that you have seen on camera came here toward the capitol. it's only about a mile down pennsylvania avenue from the white house to the capitol.

this occurred on constitution avenue, which veers off from pennsylvania avenue. it was on the senate side of the capitol complex, blaring past two of the venerable older offi offices, and the vehicle was moving toward the direction of the u.s. supreme court where it ultimately came to a stop at what is a very small sort of guard station on a little island within the intersection of a few roads here. it is right in the midst of the campus that is the capitol and certainly it was steps away from where lawmakers were at work, staffers were at work, and visitors who come to the capitol were all potentially at risk as this played out on the city streets here. there are lots of barricades that can be put up quickly when there is a crisis, and at times they're put up at different hours of the night. sometimes in a random pattern to

try to control traffic in this area. it is, for example, big buses are not permitted to drive right up next to the capitol without being checked. various things like that to try to prevent a vehicle with some violent or evil intent from just getting onto the capitol grounds, and so certainly when a vehicle at a high rate of speed was heading this way, that would put lots of officers on alert. they're in both vehicles, on bicycles, they're on motorcycles, they're on foot. they have many different sort of postures around the campus to be able to respond when something happens. >> we know very little or nothing about the driver of the car who is now deceased and has been shot by capitol police. it's been reported that there was a child in the back of the car, and if you can see that videotape again, it looked like police had guns drawn at one point very close, and the driver drove off, and then there was this chase that we're seeing right now, and then there were

shots fired which took the life of the driver. all of this being sorted out. it all happened in just a few moments' time, but, kelly, the word spread quickly, and capitol hill, i understand, shut down within seconds. is that correct? >> exactly. we had an overhead alarm, an announcement that's part of the training that goes on here. there are drills from time to time, and i will tell you it was sort of that vibration that goes through your body when you say, oh, this isn't a drill. there was an overhead loud speaker, all of the tvs we have that we use in our workplace here are connected to an internal system. they all began flashing. a message of shelter in place, lockdown. obviously then word spreads very quickly, word of mouth, via twitter, other social media. we found out within moments there was frantic energy around the building as people were getting to their offices to go into that shelter mode. as journalists we tend to go toward the activity, as do

officers, and it's just one of those things that the word spread quickly. people took appropriate steps, i would say, and then at some point later, maybe it was a half our or so just from memory, we got the all clear after they said it was an isolated incident. there was no greater threat to the campus at large. it the house side, a farther distance from where this occurred, was able to get the all clear first, and then on the senate side, and i'm in the u.s. capitol itself, the main capitol, it was the last part to get that all clear. but we certainly got the emergency warning quickly, and it was responded to quickly as well, ed. >> kelly o'donnell, nbc news capitol hill correspondent with us here onnin "the ed show." let's turn to clint van zandt, former fbi profiler and msnbc analyst. there's going to be a press briefing in about 52 minutes. it will be a joint press briefing. we know very little about the driver of this car, but

certainly motive, one only has to wonder what would drive someone to try to breech security, someone obviously very, very mad at someone. >> let me offer you two potential sk potential scenarios. as you suggest, it could be a very futile effort to breech security. we all know it's just been 17 days since we saw that horrific mass murder at the navy yard by a psychologically, emotionally challenged individual. so that could be the case. or the second, and i would keep this on the table, this could be a terrible incident of road rage. this could be somebody who made a wrong turn, who hit her car, who was in a hurry, had her baby in the backseat, got frustrated, wasn't going to listen to law enforcement no matter what they said, and thought she could push her way or drive her way through in this two-door sedan. you know, that's a weapon, ed. she was in a weapon, she

injured, not wounded, but injured a police officer, and, you know, i can tell you as an fbi agent, if somebody is driving at you with a car, you may not have any choice, you either dive out of the way or if you have to stop her, you try to shoot the tires out or in this case it looks like they shot the windows out to include hitting the driver. fortunately, not the child. so the motive -- there's going to be some aspect of an emotionally challenged individual, but whether it was an actual attempt to breach white house security or just some terrible incident of anger, frustration, and rage, that's yet to be determined. >> clint, we are told by authorities tonight that poli police -- that all of the shots fired in the incident came from law enforcement, not the woman in the car. what do you make of this? >> well, again, you know, ed, and it's a terrible analogy, and my hat is off to the police who had to deal with this, the

capitol police, but in law enforcement there's a tendency when you're involved in a situation like this, everything closes down. you're looking at the vehicle. j you're looking at the situation. you're looking at the personal threat to you and perhaps others, and all of a sudden you're functioning as an individual trying to survive, trying to get yourself out of the line of either fire or being run over. in this particular case when you hear a shot go off, there may be a tendency -- you don't know if that shot is from another police officer or it could be coming from the vehicle, so whether each of these officers made an independent decision to fire, whether it was just one officer, because i have listened to the tape, ed. there's at least seven shots that go off in a string. so could that be one semiautomatic pistol or multiple individuals. i think each officer is going to have to account for his and her actions, but the video tells it all. these officers felt threatened, and they responded in that way. >> what do you make of this

videotape, clint, where the officers encountered the car, had it surrounded, guns were drawn, no shots fired at the first opportunity and the card drove off and then the chase took place. >> you know, there's a tendency -- >> here it is. here is the tape here we're showing right now. these are the police officers. they could fire right now and they're not doing that. what do you make of that? >> you have five officers with their guns drawn. every officer i'm sure believed that woman would respect what they were saying. get out of the car, get out of the car, get out of the car. let me see your hands. these are the things a police officer would yell at somebody in a situation like this. and when you look inside, you see a woman in the front seat, you see a baby in the backseat. you assume they're going to listen to you and respect that. i think all of these officers were probably shocked that they didn't get the response they expected, and when this woman took off, then they have to

question what is her motive? could that be a car bomb? you and i know in the middle east you see women that are involved as bombers, car bombers wearing a bomb on their body, a fake pregnancy bomb, whatever it is. all of these officers hear those stories, and they have to question, are we up against a distraught person or a terrorist driving a bomb? >> this is a female solo driver with a baby in the car. this is rather odd, isn't it, clint? >> well, very much so. again, this is something we don't see in this country. we don't see, you know, a terrorist driving a bomb vehicle trying to do something like this. however, of course, in the middle east they see that all the time. so i think every officer in the back of his or her mind know that potential is there. and, ed, i think what's very interesting and very positive, too, is that, again, 2 1/2 weeks since the navy yard shooting,

there was a tremendous law enforcement response in a matter of minutes. it's everybody in the d.c. area, everybody in law enforcement, ed, is leaning forward in the saddle waiting for that next shoe to drop. for them, this could have been that next shoe. that's why we saw this massive response to what may, may turn out to be a terrible case of a distraught person who just couldn't handle the emotion of the time. >> all right. clint van zandt, thank you for joining us tonight on "the ed show." i appreciate it. we'll have more on the breaking news out of the nation's capitol after this. i'll talk with a lawmaker who was on the hill when the incident took place. you're watching "the ed show" on msnbc. [ male announcer ] maybe you've already heard what they're saying about the nissan altima. ♪ and we have to admit, that it's all true. but don't just take their word for it, check it out for yourself. the award-winning nissan altima.

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four shots. >> a lot of police cars, then we heard shots, and then the police told us to go back. >> an extremely tense afternoon in washington, d.c., after an attempted breach of the white house led to a car chase and gunshots being fired outside of the capitol. shortly after 2:00 p.m. eastern, capitol hill was placed in an emergency lockdown. capitol police raced to lock the doors of the speaker's office and lobby where members were gathered to vote and members were rushed inside. in the senate press gallery, an emergency radio feed blared warnings. police told people to avoid windows and locate emergency supplies. that lockdown has been lifted at about 3:00 this afternoon. the senate reopened and the house has reconvened. the senate has been adjourned until tomorrow morning. and the driver of the car was shot and killed by capitol

police. congressman matt cartwright of pennsylvania joins me now. congressman, thanks for your time tonight. where were you? how close were you? describe what you saw and what happened. >> ed, it was about quarter after 2:00. we had finished the first vote series for the afternoon, and when you look on the inside of the house of representatives at the speaker, right behind where the speaker is, the next chamber behind that is the speaker's lobby, as you know, and as you proceed further south along the building, the southernmost edge of the building is a balcony where members can go and relax. that's exactly what i was doing. i was having a chat with congressman jerry connelly from northern virginia. two of us were chatting quietly for about five minutes when the shots rang out. and i have to tell you, at first it sounded -- it put me in mind of the first salvo of a 21-gun

salute. it was a little ragged. they weren't all together, and then when i put it together, i realized these were shots, and it lasted -- it sounded like at about seven, eight, maybe nine shots, but lasting in total less than a second. >> the e-mail sent to all house offices said to take go kits and escape hoods. where were you at -- were you all concerned what this might have been more of a widespread attack? >> yeah. i didn't hear that. what we did, congressman connelly and i jumped up immediately and we ran to the balcony edge, right to the railing, and we looked to our southwest over toward -- you're familiar with this -- with the rayburn house office building, which is the southwest of the southern edge of the capitol building. in fact, what we saw was capitol police men and women running

toward that area, running toward the danger, and i don't need to tell you, ed, these are people who are not being paid right now. they were running toward the danger between 12 and 20 of them that i saw with my own eyes. >> we know very little about the driver, the woman who was shot by capitol police. there is at unified police briefing, numerous agencies gathering at the top of the hour. we'll cover that for you on msnbc and we'll get a full briefing from the police on exactly what happened. very little information has come out to this point. this is the second shooting, congressman, in washington, d.c., in less than a month. your thoughts on this? do we need more resources? i have been in washington many times, there's cops all over the place, and today things seemed to happen in a matter of seconds. >> well, obviously the story is unfolding slowly. we're getting bits and pieces and watching your show tonight, you can see that it sounds like it was a troubled woman, and

obviously the shooting 17 days ago was a troubled gentleman. we're talking about people who are not entirely stable and who could use psychological help. this is a time in this country when we should not be cutting back on the psychological resources available to these people. we should be beefing them up. not only for the general public but in particular for veterans of our armed forces. >> and, of course, congressman, the backdrop of all of this is this incident today is the politics that is rather toxic right now in washington. what happened today, of course, the president met with congressional leadership last night. obviously no deal. what happened today on the floor and what do you think is going to happen in the coming days? >> what we've been seeing for the past several days, ed, is a series of attempts to start the funding of the government back

up in a piecemeal fashion. >> are you for that? >> absolutely not. because what does that say when you start it up, for example, va workers or social security workers, when you start it up for them, what are you saying to the kids in head start -- >> so are all the democrats on board in that position? there will be no piecemeal support coming from the democrats? >> almost all democrats on board. you know, you always have some democrats in very difficult swing districts who may not join in, but i would say out of the entire democratic caucus of 201 members, i would say about 185 are depentabdably against the i we can do anything piecemeal. >> congressman matt cartwright, thank you so much for joining us on "the ed show" tonight and congress going right back to the floor, a sign of strength around

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welcome back to "the ed show." we're back at it. they're all so happy together, aren't they? the republican inmates are running the asylum. that is the united states capitol at this hour. both democrats and republicans are holding their ground on the shutdown. nobody is going to give anything. it looks like the government shutdown is going to be here for a while, so get used to it, and republicans, well, if you listen to them, they couldn't be happier. radical republicans in the house have gotten their wish, the government's not working, and

they want the american people to know it's not working. and so are 800,000 federal workers who have been furloughed. safety and security issues are now at hand. >> 72% of people who work in our intelligence agencies are home watching tv, reading a book, they're not at work. protecting us from the bad people around the world and there are lots of them. >> so can we come to the conclusion that republicans are putting our security at risk in an attempt to take away your health care? i would say that's beyond disturbing. we all know republicans, they can't stand government, they hate it, government shut down it's like christmas for them. christmas morning, yes, the tea party. take a listen to congresswoman michele bachmann. she can't get enough of it. >> the conservatives are going to work together to make sure that we can push back obama care. we're really very energized today. we're very strong.

this is about the happiest i have seen members in a long time because we see that we're starting to win this dialogue on a national level. >> how could they be so happy that people now aren't getting checks? michele bachmann just attempted and admitted that republicans are happy about the shutdown? republicans are happy 800,000 people are out of work? in critical factions of the government are not running. it is unbelievable. i thought michele bachmann was a christian. >> as people of faith, i'm a born-again believer in jesus christ, and i believe that it is part of my duty as a believer in christ in what he has done for me that we should do for the least of those who are in our midst. that's my personal belief and my personal conviction. >> well, if michele bachmann were a christian, she would be really upset about the fact that 800,000 americans are out of

work. it's not just bachmann. her partner in crime, congresswoman marsha blackburn of tennessee thinks that americans, we're going to be just fine. >> but, steve, people are probably going to realize they can live with a lot less government than what they thought they needed. >> one tea partier from texas is taking it one step further. republican congressman john coner sen said this, it's wonderful. we're 100% united. i'm glad culberson thinks 800,000 americans out of work is just so damn wonderful. now, on the flip side obviously democrats are pretty up set about the whole thing and they're upfront about it. they're not happy. and they don't think this is wonderful at all. and president obama made that very clear today. >> right now hundreds of thousands of americans, hard working americans, suddenly

aren't receiving their paycheck. right now they're worrying about missing their rent or their mortgage or even making ends meet. veterans, seniors, women, they're all worrying that the services they depend on will be disrupted, too. this isn't happening because of some financial crisis. it's happening because of a reckless republican shutdown in washington. >> and that is the bottom line. the differences between the democrats and republicans on the shutdown very clear. republicans are just thrilled that this is all taking place and they can illustrate to the american people that we really don't need those 800,000 workers. they're happy that the environmental protection agency is out of business. they are happy that 800,000 federal workers aren't getting paid. they're anti-government dream, well, it's all come true. democrats are on the complete opposite side of all of this. they are fuming mad about the

republican-caused shutdown. it is this crowd right here, this is american conservative leadership. they hurt people. they want people to have health insurance and they want the 800,000 workers to come back, that's the democratic side of all of this. joining me now is jonathan alter, msnbc contributor and author of "the center holds." how does it feel? how does it make you feel when republicans say, jonathan, that they're happy about the shutdown? i mean, can we take them at their word? >> yeah, they call it on fox, they call it a slim down, not a shutdown. this is, as you indicated, ed, this is their plan, their dream come true that we can all live without government in the 21st century. i don't know who they think is going to cure our diseases. a lot of these are on government -- part of government programs, government-funded research. i don't know who they think is

going to look out for the bad guys as harry reid indicated. but at a deeper level what is so troubling about this is that they don't have regard for the rule of law. obama care is a law. >> they just -- >> not a proposal, ed. >> they're just not paying attention to any of that. it's like a different world they're living in. they don't -- they're disconnected from reality. they're trying to invent a new way to legislate, but we just redo stuff over, we don't fund things that -- it's election rejection. >> it reminds me of the way things work in undemocratic countries. that's why i thought harry reid was right to call them banana republicans. it's like they're politicians out of a banana republic who don't have respect for the basic way we've done things in this country for a very long time. starting with john boehner not putting this bill on the floor of the house. they don't have a filibuster in

the house. he really is under an obligation to do as the president said today, to have an up or down vote. let people be counted. we live in a democracy with majority rule. let's see what the majority says. >> what is his obligation other than a moral obligation of leadership if he has any? he is the guy. this is now down to one person. there's one person blocking this entire thing. everybody else is on board. they've got republicans, if there are any moderates left or at least stepped to their senses for a little while, there would be 12 to 17 that would go ahead and vote for this, a clean bill. boehner says he's not bringing it to the floor. what's his obligation? >> legally he's not under any obligation except a basic sense of patriotism, you know, to show respect for people who are serving this country. not everybody who works for the government is a lazy bureaucrat as the republicans allege. these folks are doing something

for all of us. they're not being paid or they're at home. even the ones who go to work are not getting a paycheck. but you focus on boehner. i think it's important to understand this. we hear a lot about the senate filibuster and obstructions. that has nothing to do with this situation. >> it's all down to one guy. >> what happened was, this is the key history to understand, in 1998 john boehner was the fourth ranking member of the gop leadership in the house. he was dumped. he was booted, and he lost his leadership position. he spent ten years clawing his way back to power. he was humiliated and he wants to avoid being humiliated again, and if he does the right thing, he could very possibly be dumped as speaker of the house by the radical republicans. so he's looking to save his own skin here. that's what this is about. >> jonathan alter, thanks for joining us tonight. appreciate it. next up, we'll tell you what today's trenders are.

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time now for the trenders, "the ed show" social media nation. this is where you can connect with us. we appreciate that. you have decided and we are reporting, here are today's top trenders voted on by you. >> i am the lizard queen! >> the number three trender, cold-blooded. >> here with our good friend obama care. >> i'm watching you. >> this is absolutely reasonable to have the government run your health care. >> alex jones launches a slimy attack on obama care. >> this is a beautiful system being set up. it would make adolf hitler, jeffrey dahmer and joe stalin proud. >> if you don't do whatever i s say.

>> well, that concludes that transmission. >> number two trender, warlord. >> there's no way our republic can last much longer. it may not last through obama's second term. >> a right wing talker calls on god for an armed takeover. >> we're headed for serious tyranny. i appeal to the lord, don't let us be totally destroyed. please, raise up those who will save us. i believe our only hope is a military takeover, martial law. >> deliver us from evil with your mighty sword and falcon forever and ever and ever amen. >> and today's top trender, getting served. >> nearly 100 world war ii veterans made the trip to mississippi and they were greeted by this barricade. >> this is not necessary. >> this is an affront to all military members. >> what's more essential than the park service. >> you're seeing america doesn't shut down. >> republicans put a furlough up

in front of veteran's aid. >> republican national committee has put aside enough money to keep the world war ii memorial open. >> the va has announced they are running out of money. >> benefits would stop if the government shuts down and last at least a month. >> our nation's veterans deserve better. ♪ photograph i don't want to >> and we're joined tonight by msnbc contributor and former pennsylvania congressman patrick murphy. mr. murphy, good to have you back with us. >> thanks, ed. >> we are really at a critical point when it comes to shutting down the government and how we're going to hurt disabled veterans. >> yeah. >> memorial obviously is very important, but the human element to all of this is very real as time goes on. now, this stunt that was played out tonight by rnc chair reince priebus, here he is holding up a check to fund the world war ii memorial, of course, they had love to privatize everything. house republicans were

introducing a bill that would have cut $6 billion from veterans affairs. go figure. >> yeah. it's unbelievable. the hypocrisy, ed preponderance priebus said, looking we have this check. how about the check of the folks you're laying off in the va. how about the check when the va runs out of money and 3 million veterans will not get their disability paychecks at the end of october? how about the fact that every day because they can't pay overtime now because of the shutdown, that there are going to be 1,000 veterans whose claims will backlog. 1,000 veterans per day. where are those checks from mr. reince? >> you mentioned that about the va running out of money at the end of the month. what happens after that? >> well, hopefully that won't happen. hopefully they come to their senses and realize that the american people are not with them no matter what their stunts are because, you know, ed, it was really so disingenuous, the folks responsible for shutting down the government to show up there for a photo-op and say we don't shut down our government

after they just shut it down themselves. to use these world wor 2 heroes as political roprops is disgusting. >> the disabled vets out there, i'm told those are their living expenses. they live on fixed incomes. >> that's right. >> what's the hardship ahead? >> they can't buy groceries. they can't get the supplies they need. they maybe sometimes can't pay their rent or mortgage. i mean, to think about what's going on right now and that's just our veterans. how about the military personnel? my brother does search and rescue right now in the air force. he's on an air force base in florida. he's 1,000 miles away from his wife and daughter. he's a nonessential employee -- >> that means you're going to get cut. >> right. >> meanwhile, he does search and rescue. he saves lives. 16,000. >> okay. what about the backlog though? the va has got a backlog at a

historic number i understand. >> right. >> you've got post-traumatic stress disorder, war injuries from iraq and afghanistan, you've got a lot of mental issues that these veterans need help. what's going to happen with the backlog? >> as you know, president obama has made that backlog a priority. in the last six months, ed, they have cut that backlog 33%, and now because they're shutting the government down, it's going to increase 1,000 veterans per day day after day after day after day. >> which is going to cost more money in the long run. the president pointed that out today. there's no saving of money with the shutdown. >> right, right. and i understand it's not a sexy photo-op for reince, but let me tell you something, it's going to affect our veterans' lives. >> are you offended by reince priebus standing up there holding a check? >> i think it's disgusting, and i would love to tell it to him to his face because he knows better. he knows better and he still

does this stunt, him and michele bachma bachmann. >> how long will this shutdown last? you have a sense of what's going on there. >> i talked to my republican colleagues. they're not sure. they know the trying to -- the honorable way out exactly. hopefully sooner rather than later because people's lives are at stake. >> former congressman pat murphy. great to have you with us tonight. thank you. and thank you for staying on the veterans' issues. i appreciate it. we'll have another update from the nation's capital with michael isikoff and clint van zant. stay with us. after this. i want peacocks. peacocks? walking the grounds. in tuscany. [ man ] her parents didn't expect her dreams to be so ambitious. italy? oh, that's not good. [ man ] by exploring their options, they learned that instead of going to italy, they could use a home equity loan to renovate their yard and have a beautiful wedding right here while possibly increasing the value of their home. you and roger could get married in our backyard. it's robert, dad. [ female announcer ] come in to find the right credit options for your needs. because when people talk, great things happen.

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welcome back to "the ed show." we're awaiting a joint press conference scheduled for 6:00 p.m. eastern when we're expected to receive updates from the united states capitol police metropolitan police department and the u.s. secret service. as we reported earlier, two sources say the woman who hit a white house barricade, triggering the police chase on pennsylvania avenue did not have a gun. all shots fired in the capitol hill shooting incident came from law enforcement, not the woman in the car. now, at this hour a home in stamford, connecticut believed to be that of the driver is being searched. you're looking at a shot outside of that home in stamford, connecticut. and there is also a robot in front of that vehicle. for more on this we're joined by nbc news investigative journalist michael isikoff and

also nbc analyst clint van zandt. clint, the robot. what does that tell you as they're going in to search this believed to be her home? >> it tells us they're not taking any chances, ed. on the off chance there's any explosives or anything else there, they want to make sure they've got every base covered. that's one of the reasons to have the robot. and ed, there are reports now that this is a 34-year-old woman who lived in that residence with significant past mental health issues. so as we discussed at the top of your show, it may very likely be that type of issue that drove her, or allowed her to drive to washington for reasons yet unknown. >> michael isikoff, the latest in your reporting, what can you tell us tonight? >> well, we did -- we were the first to report that she did not fire any shots, that it all came from law enforcement. now, that is going to raise some questions in people's minds. were these justifiable shootings? one law enforcement source i

spoke to this evening said she was using the car as a weapon and so therefore those shots were justified. now, obviously, there's still a lot. we don't know about precisely what came down here. but as best we can make out, this began with her attempt to breach security at the white house, 15th and e. i'm told she then backed out when she couldn't get into those gates and made her way down to the capitol with the police chasing her. i think the mental health issues, if in fact she's got them, are going to be front and center here because the big question everybody asked right from the get-go is was there some motivation here? does it have anything to do with the politics of what's going on on capitol hill right now? if it is in fact something akin to what took place at the washington navy yard, then that

becomes something else entirely. >> michael, what else can you tell us about the first contact she had with authorities? did it appear that she truly was trying to get through the barricade? or was it a mistake in a turn and not knowing what to do in a panic? give us some insight on that. >> we don't know at this point. the reports from the scene that we've seen is she did try to breach that gate at 15th and e by the white house. it's not exactly adjacent to the white house because of course pennsylvania avenue in front of the white house has been closed off since 9/11. but when she couldn't do so, she then put the car in reverse and then backed in and possibly hit another officer or cruiser. it's not clear yet. nobody was injured at that point. but that did provoke the chase. so is there some scenario by

which this was some sort of horrible mistake on her part? we don't know. but given the fact that she was pursued for 12 blocks down pennsylvania avenue, or at least from the white house to the capitol, is suggestive that she -- that there was -- she was acting consciously at some point and it wasn't just a wrong turn she made. >> clint van zandt, give our audience tonight a sense of what kind of investigation this is going to be internally for police that an unarmed woman was shot. >> well, again, i agree that even though she didn't have a handgun or a rifle or a bomb in her car she had a 2,000-pound weapon that obviously injured at least one police officer, could have injured others. i think law enforcement's going to have to look at the number of shots fired, who fired the shots, did they feel their life was threatened or did they feel an immediate need to stop that vehicle. but again, ed, this is a

34-year-old woman with mental health problems, the exact same age as aaron alexis, the shooter at the navy yard just 17 days before. so mental health, should this be the case, one more time has played into a terrible tragedy right in our nation's capital. >> and within an instant the security was all over it, were they not, michael? today things unfolded quickly in washington. >> right. and we reported earlier on some of those e-mails that went out from the capitol police to all capitol hill staffers telling them to stay inside their office, stay away from windows. i mean, this was a pretty unnerving situation for everybody on capitol hill at the time. >> all right. michael isikoff, clint van zandt, thank you for joining us tonight. and that is "the ed show." i'm ed schultz. "politics nation" starts now with reverend al sharpton. and of course the joint press conference very close to that here at the top of the hour. rev? >> thank you,