that does it for "the cycle." martin bashir, your turn. >> thank you. good afternoon. it's friday, october the 4th. and what's your game, speaker boehner? the longer this goes on, the worse it will be. >> the "wall street journal" says we don't care how long this lasts, because we're winning. >> he doesn't want to anger the extremists in his party. >> this isn't some damn game. >> it's about trying to do what's right for the whole country. >> the fate of john boehner. >> it feels like he's juggling chainsaws here. >> our goal was to bring fairness to the american people. >> how are you picking and choosing? >> i don't care how many folks dress up in halloween doctor suits. >> michele bachmann gleefully said -- >> this is about the happiest i've seen members. >> no, no, that's not true. that is not true. >> don't you guys hate it when you get talking on a live mic? >> i'm wired up here. >> he's going over and over again, we're willing to

compromise. >> if you're being disrespected, it's because of the attitude. >> put your tail between your legs, go back up on the hill and do your work. >> nobody gets 100% of what they want. >> i am happy to have negotiations with speaker boehner. ♪ a very good friday afternoon to you, and we close out the week with thousands of american workers on furlough. air force one stationary. the president cancelling his planned trip to asia. and the prospect of a financial catastrophe in the form of the debt ceiling deadline. and earlier today, house speaker john boehner appeared ready to crack under the pressure. >> this isn't some damn game. the american people don't want their government shut down and neither do i. >> he says that, but we all know that if the speaker wanted to end the shutdown, all he has to

do is to put a clean bill on the floor and it will pass. the president will sign it, and we're open for business. but the speaker's remarks are part of the gop's laser-focus on an anonymous white house official quoted as saying, we're winning this fight. a line the president was asked about today when he and the vice president took a stroll to lunch, accompanied by the press. >> there's no winning when families don't have certainty about whether they're going to get paid or not. as long as they're off the job, nobody is winning. and that's the point. >> and speaking at a restaurant that's offering a 10% discount to furloughed workers, the president said that republicans and speaker boehner could learn a thing or two from them. >> this shutdown could be over today. we know there are the votes for it in the house of representatives. reopen the government, make sure we're paying our bills. two basic functions that

congress has. and take your cues from folks like this. you know, who are more interested in making sure that everybody is being treated fairly and properly and less interested in politics and scoring points. >> as for republicans, their talking points are careening wildly from the shutdown doesn't matter to it's terrible for some to it's so horrific, it must be the president's fault. >> it is indefensible that president obama and harry reid have forced a government shutdown. they're refusing to compromise. they're refusing to negotiate. four times, the house of representatives has passed a reasonable compromise, a middle ground, and four times, harry reid and president obama have said go pound sand. jump in a lake. we're not going to compromise. >> the great senator ted cruz there, chairman of the committee on rank hypocrisy and personal ambition. those four so-called compromises

he refers to, efforts at dismantling the president's health care law, of course. part of the republican belief system that temper tantrums deserve treats. like congressman marlin stutzman who said earlier this week, quote, we're not going to be disrespected. we have to get something out of this. and i don't know what that even is. don't even know what that is? stutzman tried to walk back his remarks later. but not before the president had a few words speaking at a maryland construction company thursday. >> you have already gotten the opportunity to serve the american people. there's no higher honor than that. the american people aren't in the mood to give you a goody bag to go with it. what you get is the economy not stalling, but continuing to grow. what you get are workers continuing to be hired. that's what you get! that's what you should be asking for!

>> unfortunately, for now, speaker boehner appears primarily interested in begging his rabid right flank to let him keep his job. joining us now from capitol hill is democratic congresswoman jan schakowsky of illinois. good afternoon, ma'am. >> good afternoon, martin. >> speaker boehner says this is not a game. yet members of his caucus dress up like doctors, perform stunts at war memorials and michele bachmann says she has never seen republicans so happy. it absolutely is a game to them, isn't it? >> absolutely is a game. except a very dangerous game. i was outside in front of the capitol today with hundreds of furloughed workers, and talked to a woman who said my husband and i are both furloughed. we have two little kids. i don't know how we're going to pay our mortgage in two-and-a-half weeks if this doesn't end. but you know, martin, it's getting crazier and creatazier.

every day americans realize the government actually does do things for people and so they're introducing one bill after another to restore functions. i guess they didn't realize that monuments would actually be closed. that the national institutes of health might stop the cancer research. that fema, in case the hurricane hits the gulf coast this weekend, is probably a necessary thing. so they just keep adding little things to -- you know, to fund them. and it's just ridiculous. they are treating it like a game. >> well, to your point, we have got some tape now of some mental health workers who were talking about the impact of this shutdown. take a listen to them. >> i have been making sure that all the millions of americans that depend on our services, people who suffer from mental illness, from substance abuse disorders, receive the services that they so desperately need. i speak for my colleagues when i

say we need to get back to work. we have very important work that needs to be done. >> and yet, unfortunately, congresswoman, mental health services haven't quite made the ted cruz life raft yet, have they? so i guess those people can go to hell. >> go to hell or perhaps threaten us. we saw that at the navy yard. we saw it at -- with this woman presumably yesterday. that mental health is an issue that is not only plaguing many american families, but actually threatening our security. i guess that hasn't made the list yet. but i would presume that maybe later on it would. the other thing, martin, that's kind of strange, we're going to vote -- we'll see how the republicans do. and actually paying retroactively all the furloughed federal workers. well, if we're going to pay everybody, are we paying them for a paid vacation or maybe they ought to just go back to work? >> it's absolutely ludicrous. and do you know, congresswoman,

one of the most reprehensible hypocrisies about the republicans' shutdown of the government is when they discover that children with cancer won't be able to receive experimental treatment that might actually extend their lives, they suddenly say oh, no, let's reopen the national institutes of health. but if they care so much about children with cancer, why did they agree to slash $1.5 billion of funding from the nih as a result of the sequester? >> you're absolutely right. and one could say, why is the ray son det rah of this whole charade getting rid of obama care? let's talk about children and their health and preventing them from getting these kind of life-threatening diseases. this is a program that is going to heal and prevent illness for so many millions of people in this country.

this is why they're shutting down the government. i mean, it's really reprehensible. i mean, some of it is so ridiculous, it's kind of funny. except the suffering that it's causing is not funny in the least. >> it's not funny in the least, ma'am. do you anticipate some kind of resolution over the weekend? we know that the house majority leader has mentioned the possibility of working tomorrow and perhaps into sunday. do you see any chance of a resolution in the next few days? >> well, one person could end this right now. john boehner, you know, you said he's being held hostage. but he could, for his own legacy and for the good of the country, come to the floor and say, look, enough is enough. we can negotiate later on all kinds of different issues that the democrats are more than willing to sit down and talk about. >> congresswoman, you know that that would require the speaker

to sacrifice himself and his position in the house as speaker. and i suspect that is unlikely. notwithstanding the suffering that's being inflicted on the nation. >> i know. but think of what you're saying. that in order to keep a position to be something, in your own mind and i guess in the mind of the republicans, that you would do this kind of sacrifice. that's wrong. that's just wrong. >> i'm afraid that's where we are. congresswoman jan schakowsky, thank you so much, ma'am. >> thank you. coming up, the increasing weight of the government shutdown on the shoulders of one senator, ted cruz. plus, will loose lips sink the ship? >> i'm all wired up here. >> i just don't see an end. i just go over and over again, we're willing to compromise, we're willing to negotiate. i don't think they poll tested we won't negotiate. ♪

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it's safe to say that ted cruz tends not to listen to anyone. certainly not his fellow republicans. and apparently not even himself, because for an hour on the senate floor this afternoon, professor cruz delivered a master class in dupe listy, self contradiction and hypocrisy. on the subject of his support for the house's piecemeal strategy, he said that to fund military pay but not veterans' benefits could only mean one thing about his fellow senators on the other side of the aisle. >> we ought to be able to agree

our veterans are above politics. we ought to be able to agree our war memorials are above politics. we ought to be able to come together and agree that defending national security, defending against terrorist threats, is above politics. and everyone in congress is prepared to do so, except for the majority leader and the senate democrats who are insisting everything be shut down. >> now, i know you think you heard mr. cruz there impunitive the patriotism of democrats in the senate, because that's exactly what he said. but according to mr. cruz, you would be wrong. let's allow him to explain that. >> if i were to stand up here and say, it is my priority and not the priority of the democrats to fund veterans, it is my priority and not the priority of the democrats to fund the national guard. it is my priority and not the priority of the democrats to fund the national parks. it is my priority and not the priority of the democrats to fund research for health care, they would quite rightly be able to rise and claim under rule 19

that i was impugning their motives. >> exactly so. so if i were to sit here and say it is the priority of ted cruz and not the democrats to risk economic collapse and a global meltdown in an attempt to line his campaign pockets with contributionses, if i were to say that mr. cruz is pommous, self congratulatory act is nothing more than a snake oil sailsman in texas, that would be to impugn his motives. joining us, president and ceo of vota latina and msnbc contributor. professor peterson, nbc's kasie hunt interviewed ted cruz after that speech. here's what she tweeted. just interviewed senator ted cruz. he refused to say if he would support retroactive back pay for furloughed government workers. six times he asked him. sakes times he deflects the question. how does a man this hypocritical and in public get away with this, professor? >> i'm not sure. you and i both know casey is

pretty smart and pretty straight down the middle on these things and so for her to not be able to get a straight answer from this guy is certainly indicative of the level at which he is playing politics, martin. the american people are disgusted by these kinds of displays, because the kind of or wellian switcher oohs they have been engaged in, not just around the shutdown but also the debt ceiling and the ways in which policy and procedures work, particularly in the house but also throughout the congress, it makes us feel as if not only is government dysfunctional, but it's hard to have faith in a system when there's so many stunts. yesterday with the lab coats and the stethoscopes and the congress person who was talking down to the national -- to the guards person at the national monument yesterday. those kinds of things make american people feel as if politics as a whole process and project is simply disingenuous. >> yeah. maria, as i said earlier, mr. cruz is obviously not listening

to his fellow republicans, either. let me play you something he said on the senate floor followed by something a fellow republican said no less than 90 minutes earlier. take a listen. >> oh, dear. >> it is the view of every republican in this body, and indeed every republican in the house that obama care should be entirely and completely repealed. >> and i would say to my republican colleagues in the house, and to some in this chamber, it's time for a reality check. defunding obama care did not work as a strategy. >> ted cruz says every single republican wants to repeal it. and there you have kelly ayotte saying absolutely nonsense, and directing her comments at him. you need a reality check. >> well, to not just her. you have mitch mcconnell saying, come on, cool off, let's get the government back to work. they know not just the optics are bad. i know there is a clip earlier,

but they also recognize they can't have a dysfunctional government, especially when they're going into the 2014 election. what they don't want to do is repeat what happened under newt gingrich's leadership, where they shut down the government when they had the control of the majority and all of a sudden the democrats came in and about able to sweep. 9 problem with ted cruz, it's all about him and he recognizes it's an open vacuum to have a leader and he wants to be that leader. and unless the republican party figures out how to neutralize him, they're in big trouble. >> i mean, he's leading them, isn't he? >> he absolutely is. and the fact that -- boehner has really two choices. he -- i doubt he's going to be -- remain the speaker. he has two choices. either actually come up, dust himself off and say i may lose the speakership, but we're going to do the right thing, open the government, let's actually work on behalf of the american people. let's take care of the debt ceiling. or he can basically jeopardize the speakership and continue spiralling downward and leave no legacy. >> professor peterson, i heard you there expressing the words,

"it's sad that someone like cruz is leading this entire party. and indeed the nation into this government shutdown." who is going to rise within the republican party and give this individual a little bit of professional discipline? >> that still remains to be seen. you know, cruz is kind of a definition of the trusted misleader. so that the tea party caucus within the house has sort of trusted that he would have the muscle to make the situation resolve itself without the sort of travesty of a shutdown with very little room for republicans in the senate to maneuver around it. now that we are where we are, that's why you're seeing all the stunts and tricks. and, again, it weakens the faith that the american people have in politics, if we had any to begin with. and so i think it remains to be seen what leaders will stand -- where is chris christie on this? you know, why is rand paul having back-room conversations about polling? why isn't rand paul standing up

and allowing the libertarian wing to get the tea party caucus under control? i don't know where the leaders are, but they're certainly in need of one or two to step up right now. >> they desperately are. >> maria theresa, final question to you. does speaker boehner do the sensible and honorable thing and put this bill to the floor and allow the government to reopen, or does he keep his job? which do you think he prefers? >> i actually think his job is in jeopardy any way you slice it. the good thing would be to put this in front of congress and allow them to vote on it and then he actually is at least able to leave a legacy saying i stood up to the bullies, because i did what was best for the american people and didn't cave to my party. either way, i don't think the tea party is going to keep him around, even if they stand their ground as it is. >> yeah. maria theresa kumar and professor james peterson, thank you so much. >> thank you. former minnesota governor jesse ventura joins us. but first, what's in the box? >> just tell republicans if they

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>> at one point she briefly stopped and was surrounded by officers with weapons drawn. here is the scene as recorded by a camera crew on capitol hill. >> police also say they believe there was a child in the car. a baby. >> investigators say the woman at the center of it all did not have a gun. the only shots officials say were fired by law enforcement officers. >> one u.s. capitol police officer, one secret service agent also were injured. >> i join the majority leader in expressing our gratitude to the capitol police. >> a lot of people asking this morning, savannah, why did the woman who was killed outside the capitol do what she did yesterday? >> police and members of congress defended the use of deadly force, given that she ignored repeated commands to stop. >> she believed she was being stalked by president obama. >> those briefed on what happened say miriam carey had delusions.

>> let's get right to our panel. joining us now is my colleague and co host of "the cycle" and democratic strategist julian epstein. pete williams explained that police felt they had to use deadly force. we heard the washington police department has begun an investigation into whether officers complied with their agency's policies on deadly force. it's also emerged that 26 shots were fired. now, the chief of police of d.c., cathy lanier, said yesterday officers acted heroically. do you agree with her assessment? >> you know, martin, it's really difficult to assess this from 30,000 feet away, being a civilian. i am one of the first people who would be critical of the way that police are often dealing, especially with black people in america. but i don't want to always be rushing to judgment when i don't have the facts. and they're basically in a situation which is the fog of war. there's -- five or six officers

clearly using their voice to try to get her comply. and she had a weapon in the form of a car. and they don't know what she is going to do. and she is not complying and she is racing around. and you saw, they let her race away. i think they started firing when she starts to race away. but i mean, i am not currently comfortable knowing what i know, saying they were right or wrong. i don't know. i know cops are quite often using excessive force against black people. but in this situation, i don't know. >> julian, i guess anybody using a vehicle like that in such close proximity to the white house, she tried to get access to the white house through a barricade. then driving in the way she did. anything around the area of the capitol is likely to provoke some kind of reaction from law enforcement, isn't it? i mean, it's inevitable. >> that's right. and particularly in a post 9/11 world. but i think his temperance here is exactly right.

we have fragment airy information about this right now. it's too early to draw conclusions. in terms of people who understand what the law is, the governing law is a 1989 supreme court decision known assim graham decision, a three-part test as to when police can use deadly force. the two most important parts, one, whether police reasonably believe there was imminent threat of bodily injury, serious bodily injury or death. and secondly, whether the suspect was evading arrest or resisting arrest. again, it is very difficult to kind of assess that with a fragment men tear information. but i do think police are given some amount of leeway in a post 9/11 world when they don't know whether that car, for example, is carrying a car bomb. so i think it's just too early to tell. but he's also very right that, in addition to the supreme court case, you've got police departments that all have rules and regulations on this. and these things need to be watched closely, because as difficult a world as we are living, in a post 9/11 situation

where we don't know if there is a car bomb, there have also been lots of cases of police abuse of deadly force. so this is a balancing act, and the evaluation has got to be done with the facts, which we don't have all of them at this point. >> right. i'd like you both, if i can, do get you to listen to a 13-year-old boy who saw secret service agents surround the car with their guns drawn yesterday. take a listen to this. >> i watched it, because my 13th birthday happened, and they surprised me for a birthday present. >> did you want to come here for your birthday? >> yes, i did. >> why? >> i just love history and i just wanted to learn more about our government and stuff. >> so here's a young person who comes to the capitol because he's inspired by history, he loves the country. and he finds, what, a broken political culture, a shutdown, and he hears the sound of gunshots. >> wait a minute, now. a broken political culture. he discovers one party being political terrorists and trying

to pull the situation down. and i know that you agree with me. so i'm not, you know -- don't we're, we're simpatico on this, i hate when people on other networks and other media say this falsive lens thing. both sides and blame game. there is one party that is doing this. >> what kind of country is this young man growing up in? what is he observing? >> he's observing a country where we have two americas, and one of them is whiter and let urban and less realistic and living in an alternate universe. and they are noncommunal and anti empathetic. and they are saying we don't like sharing. they call it redistribution. or socialism. we don't like sharing with the rest of you. even though we do better on that whole thing. and, you know, we are going to fight that. and if we have -- if we have a philosophy that is anti empathetic and anti community, then why would we not have tactics that are anti empathetic and anti community and just -- i mean, again, i go back to this political terrorism, what the republicans on the far right are doing and john boehner knows

better. but he is dying to remain speaker for some reason. even though he's perhaps the weakest speaker we have ever had. so he is being led astray. ted cruz is really speaker of the house and as chris matthews said, the real head of the republican party is the wacko bird at the town hall who is going to stand up and get on tv because he yells at these folks and saying you're doing the wrong thing. >> yeah. julian, just back to that little 13-year-old boy. i mean, setting aside whether the shooting was justified and -- that's a matter now the subject of an investigation 26 shots fired. but nevertheless, i mean, it's startling, isn't it, to see this little boy who has a keen and kind of innocent interest in politics and governance to turn up at the capitol and in the middle of a scene and what does he hear, but gunshots ringing out? >> it's a powerful image. but i think what is also a powerful image is the sight of a woman, miriam carey, who according to her mother -- we have fragmentary information,

suffering from postpartum depression. and on the door steps of a capitol where a republican minority is attempting to shut down what is perhaps the most expansive effort to combat postpartum depression in the form of obama care. >> indeed. >> and they're doing this for totally political reasons after this issue on obama care has been litigated in both houses of congress, the executive branch and the supreme court. the irony of those two -- of those images juxtaposed to me is pretty startling. >> it is indeed. julian epstein and toray, thank you gentlemen, so much. coming up, they say americans will hardly notice a government shutdown. tell that to my next guest. homeowners with some very real consequences. stay with us. [ bird chirping ] ♪

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government shutdown may be easy to say but not easy to experience. over 800,000 furloughed without pay and no guarantee of being recome pensed. children with cancer being prevented each week from clinical trials that could extend and even save their lives. over 3,000 preschool children just this week with nowhere to go because their head start programs have been shut down. but these statistics can seem remote until you put a real face to them. like the faces of sue and eric skog, a military family who could lose their dream home as a result of this shutdown. >> my husband has given too much to this country for us to lose everything in our retirement. because of 523 selfish, self-serving individuals. >> well-said. and i'm delighted to say we're joined by sue skog and her husband, eric, of the utah army national guard. welcome to both of you. mr. skog, you are -- military

personnel like you, have bravely served this country for years, and we're all grateful for your service. and yet for all you've done, it would seem the country is not willing to do the same for you. so could you please tell our viewers how this shutdown is affecting the home you've worked so hard to build. >> it's -- we've been -- it's my whole dream for two years now. we've been working on this for two years, trying to get everything all lined soup up so we can build our own house. and i always liked a challenge and one of the things about building a house is to do it all. you don't want to hire somebody. and that's what we've been working on. and we started it june 8th, and everything has been going along just fine. and then bam, you get slammed with this. and i don't know what to say about it. >> how has this, as you described it, put a wedge in your plans? how has this put a spin in the

works? >> well, right now, i should be -- you should be getting ready for my four-way inspection coming up on monday. and instead i'm here, which is where i want to be. but then now i've got to figure out if i need to look for another job come monday. so i can get the money coming in. >> it's appalling. mrs. skog, in that clip you call members of congress, and i'm quoting you, selfish and self-serving. i'd like to play for you what one of those members recently had to say about the shutdown. take a listen to this, ma'am. >> we're really very energized today. we're very strong. this is about the happiest i've seen members in a long time. because we see that we're starting to win this dialogue on a national level. >> so there you had a member of congress, mrs. skog, saying she's never been happier and she's winning and talking triumphantly, almost as if it's a game. >> exactly. first off, thank you so much for having us, martin.

i wouldn't be able to make this known, the injustice that my military technician husband. this has been going on for years. and they're making a joke of it. and the 532 people, i'm so tired of the blame game and one side pointing fingers at one side and the other side pointing at the other side. and heaven forbid, if all else fails, let's just blame our president. and i'm tired of them hiding behind it. he has been facing these type of injustices for years. this is just finally the straw that broke the camel's back. we did not overextend on our -- on our home. we have had local media that covered this, and it was very saddening to me that people said, well, maybe you shouldn't have built this house if you couldn't have afforded to. we afforded to just fine. we made the choice to take a construction loan and build our own home. and because of the banking

collapse that happened, it made it very difficult for us to even get our own construction loan in the beginning. and we had to put up more than 20% of the build on top of $33,000 in permits and, you know, tens of thousands of dollars here or there. >> of course. >> we saved for this. we planned very, very well. and everything was going along scheduled until he first just came off of a 48-day furlough, which i'm sure you know all about that. because the military technicians are the only entity that are not exempt from them. and it's ridiculous. he has to hold a military rank to have his job. he has to wear a uniform to work every day. but yet he's not exempt. >> it's outrageous. >> i'm tired of every time there's no other cuts, you send him to every war-torn, ctattere country. he's gone for 30 years without complaint and now the last six months, like i said, we came off of the 48-day furlough. we barely made it through that. we were okay.

>> yeah. >> but now when he should be able to take his leave, the majority of it that he saved for two years to -- now that we have to do all the finish work, he can't even take his own leave that is by right his money. he banked that time. they won't even now let him take his leave. >> mr. and mrs. skog, i tell you, our sympathies are with you both. thank you again for your service and we sincerely hope that you are able to complete the work that you've started and thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> thank you so much. and we want to know how the shutdown has affected you and your family. share your video on twitter or facebook. using the hash tag don'tshutmedown. coming up, the secret fix to a government shutdown. white lightning, maybe? >> jesse "the body" ventura is white lightning. >> we'll talk to the former wrestler turned governor, turned

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with the government so divided and dysfunctional that it's literally been forced to shut down, one wonders if there is anyone who could bang some heads together in order to break the gridlock. perhaps an independent voice, someone who bears no allegiance to either side. how about this guy. >> we need a revolution of stop oh electing democrats and republicans. they're destroying our country. they have us totally in debt up to our ears. they are completely responsible. you notice i combine them together. i'm for the abolishment of all political parties, and i have great people that stand with me on that. >> and we're joined by mr. ventura himself, the former governor and author of the new book, "they killed our president:63 reasons to believe there was a conspiracy to

assassinate jfk." welcome, sir. let's start with the government shutdown. do you really believe that both sides are equally at fault? >> they're always equally at fault. they have been running our country for 150 years now. and look at the shape we're in today. >> but sir -- hang on a second. the president -- the president has said, as we know, that he introduced this law, it was voted on by both houses of congress, it was confirmed by the supreme court. it came into action this week. and yet republicans have decided to use what is fixed law as a hostage, as a bargaining chip, to shut down the government. i mean, that's -- the republicans are at fault, isn't it? >> well, certainly, on this particular issue, they're probably the majority at fault, absolutely. but we need to look at the whole picture of what the system is. they've created and built a system that's based completely on the concept of bribery. now, if you do bribery in the private sector, you go to prison. but yet it's alive and well with

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but it's time now to clear the air. and as we've been reporting, this shutdown is no trifling matter. it's not a pinprick. it's not even as senator ted cruz has suggested, just like a weekend, when some government facilities are closed. for millions of americans, this is going to prove catastrophic. and if mr. cruz and his kamikaze caucus won't listen to fellow lawmakers, then maybe he'll pay attention to the senate chaplain. because here's how he led prayers on monday, just hours before the shutdown. >> as our nation stumbles toward a seemingly unavoidable government shutdown, keep our lawmakers from sewing to the wind, thereby risking reaping the whirl wind. may they remember that all that is necessary for unintended

catastrophic consequences is for good people to do nothing. >> sadly, that prayer was not answered. instead, the unintended catastrophic circumstances are now piling up. for children who are awaiting cancer treatment, to those elderly folk whose meals on wheels have already been slashed because of the sequester, this shutdown isn't just another political fight. it may actually be the difference between life and death. and so after the chaplain's first prayer wasn't answered, he got up again on tuesday and sought to intercede for the victims of this shutdown, praying that those in positions of power would have their conscienceses stirred by the suffering they are causing. >> during this legislative stalemate, help our lawmakers to test all things by their conscience, seeking to do right,

as you give them the ability to see it. stir their hearts, making them bold to follow your ways. >> amen. and may god bring them all to their senses. as soon as possible. thank you so much for watching us this afternoon. you can follow us always on twitter at bashirlive. coming up right now, though, is "the ed show" with ed schultz back on weekdays in just a few seconds. ♪ good evening, americans and welcome to "the ed show" live from minneapolis. we're not shut down. let's get to work. ♪ the shutdown