>> welcome to the government shut down camera. >> what day are we on? >> no pictures of princess leia. time to talk about what we learned today. i learned that ben stiller hates you. >> be quiet now. >> i'm going to kill you. if it's way too early, it's "morning joe." stick around because chuck todd and -- >> "the daily rundown" is next. >> you killed it! >> no end in sight. speaker boehner doesn't like to say compromise, but he has another word he can't stop talking about. we will tell you what it is. as the white house ramps up the

debt limit, the treasury secretary will say what they want the new debt limit to be. ted cruz takes his battle cry across to rally virginia voters before they get of the first electoral opportunities to weigh in on the shut down. ken cuccinelli's larger than words. the group of conservatives who were there to see him. guess what happened years ago today. that's right, the governator wrote the recall rebel yon into office in california. that was the half of it. that may have been when we actually saw the first making of the tea party. good morning from washington. it's monday, october seventh, 2013. let's get to the first read of the morning. the shut down is entering week two with no end in sight. the debate is moving on to the debt limit with neither party

softening its position. if they don't cry uncle, the other could be the first to fall. despite the shut down, nearly half of federal employees are headed back to work today after a surprise announcement on saturday by chuck hagel, he said that pentagon lawyers said that dod could recall lawyers who contributed to the morale and well being of the service members urn the law protecting active duty troops. over 90% of the 350,000 civilians will be recalled. by the way, what does that mean? if you want to know a little thing that means, they are forced to show nfl games. leaving about 450,000 of the federal government's 2.1 million workforce out of work according to our best estimate. they provided back pay to all furloughed workers when the shut

down ends. the government workers have ray double-edged sword. if it is passed by the senate, it might dull the urgency to get a deal done. the back pay bill leaves thousands of people who work the contracts for our private employer without paying and they will not get the tax pay. they had $516 billion in business for a federal contract. that was about a fifth of what was then $18 billion of federal contracts put on hole. that left those employees without pay and they never got it retroactively. moving from one crisis to the next, house speaker john boehner is determined to get the president to negotiate on, well, something. only after the government shut down ends and the debt limit is raised. he insists the votes are not

there for a budget resolution to fund the government. >> there not the votes in the house to pass the clean cr. >> democrats respond. the votes are not there, mr. speaker? prove it. >> the issue and the friendly challenge. put it on the floor. i would bet there the votes to pass it. >> the majority in congress would vote to reopen the government. they need to bring it up for a vote. >> the only thing that is keeping that from happening is speaker boehner made a decision that he is going to hold out to see if he can get additional concessions from us. >> according to an nbc news count, there 22 republicans who would support a clean spending bill assuming that almost all of the 200 democrats in the house approved a clean cr. it could win the 217 votes a bill would need to pass. the z will get that $16.7

trillion borrowing cap and on sunday secretary jook lew blanketed the sunday shows and republican and congress are playing with fire by demanding concessions before promising to pay the country's bills. >> what would it mean if we are not able to pay millions of people on social security on time and we are not able to pay hospitals through medicare and medicaid on time. it is reckless and irresponsible to bring all of that down if we don't get our way? >> the president's refusal to talk is resulting in a possible default on our debt. all we have to do is pick up the phone. >> the republicans are looking for concessions on entitlement and changes to the tax code and lifting the debt limit. boehner is ham strung by the conferences and he was careful not to use the word compromise. he did use another c word

relentlessly. >> we have to sit down with the senate and have a conversation. we are interested in having a conversation. it begins with a simple conversation. obama having a conversation. it's time to have a conversation. sit down and have a conversation. let's sit down and have a conversation. we had conversations before. >> itle foos like it's pollest itted. he used it nearly two dozen times in that interview. this is pretty simple. congress passed a clean debt ceiling and getting the president's requirement without negotiating and paving the way for negotiations over entitlement. on sunday, texas senator ted cruz brushed off any notion of a cooling off period. >> how about the agreement being, give the democrats 1 human helped percen 00% of what they want. then they will talk. no they won't.

>> what's the end game? we are left with a few questions. can boehner raise the debt ceiling before the federal government reopens? when it comes to a debt limit hike, what will the white house request? the president and his team have been careful not to answer that question. they said how big they would like the debt ceiling hike to be. given that the white house must eventually answer that question perhaps, isn't that by definition negotiating over the debt limit? three, how does boehner satisfy the tea party? he can't use the compromise if they come up with a compromise, it will never sell. that's the problem boehner is in. he said that president obama needs to negotiate with house republicans, but it contains the dilemma and the votes will shut down and debt limit train won't be pleased with negotiation or compromise that is given full capitulation by the president. the health care law or true compromise on the entitlements

that any deal that the president is withholding that will somehow be acceptable to the tea party. the answer is probably no. now you understand boehner's dilemma. what part of the government debt did not stop working? it deals with counter terrorism operations. over the weekend, special forces launched two daring raids to capture terror suspects in africa and they had mixed successes. somalia had begun an attempt to catch a top member of the terror group, al shabaab. the suspect senior was captured in brought daylight after being forced into a van at gunpoint. he is being held in custody aboard the uss san antonio in the med train why he is facing extensive interrogation by experts. the 49-year-old is an

intelligence gold mine. a former confidant of osama bin laden. he was indicted more than ten years ago for the embassy bombings in 1998 that killed 223. he was subsequently put on the fbi's list of the most wanted terrorist with a $5 million bounty on his head. his capture underscores concerns that the country libya has become a terrorist safe haven since the fall of gadhafi two years ago and they said he is a citizen and demanded answers for what they described as a u.s. kidnapping. the secretary of state john kerry had no response to that allegation this morning. >> i hope that people who commit terror and have been appropriately indicted by courts of law by the legal process will know that the united states of america will do everything in its power that is legal and

appropriate in order to enforce the law and protect our security. >> richard angle is our chief foreign correspondent. what did we learn from these two raids, one successful and one not successful. what did we learn about the u.s. war against the terrorist groups? >> i think two things. one is shifting very much to africa. that doesn't mean it's stopping, but these two operations on the horn of africa and north africa. also the united states doesn't forget there is an almost munich-like quality to this. after the israeli commandos raided and killed the members of black september at the munich olympic games. israel never put off and these two bombings, the kenya and tanzania bombings in 1998 are somewhat similar. the u.s. relentlessly pursued

all of the people who were involved. there a few outstanding, but by capturing alive in tripoli and interrogating him it has a place that the united states has not forgot ben this and they are pursuing people. he could have quite a bit of information being interrogated without miranda rights. >> how much connection has he had to al qaeda in the last, say, years? >> a lot. he was one of the founding members and close confidants of osama bin laden and someone who supports directly from osama bin laden. then after bin laden was killed, he refused to accept orders from the egyptians who offended to the leadership and operated more or less as an independent entity, someone who is continuing bin laden's mission. very active in africa and has

been hiding out in tripoli for sometime and then there was this operation surrounding his car, smashing the window and pulling him out of the car and driving him away and getting him on to that u.s. helicopter carrier in the mediterranean before he might be brought to the u.s. >> richard, given that it was in libya, how the libyan government wants to handle this. is libya a safe haven for al qaeda operatives and proof that they were on the anti-gadhafi side and we may have been helping? >> there were. radicals on the anti-gadhafi side and the real problem is the lack of control in libya. the libyan government never has been able to establish authority over the terrain in libya. there many different groups on the northern coast.

they have become real sanctuaries for radical groups. that has been a continuing problem in libya with the government operating in the sea. >> sounds like you are describing the ungoverned areas of pakistan. >> unfortunately, but this is in the mediterranean close to them. >> that's for sure. richard engle, thank you very much. much more ahead on "the daily rundown." first electoral impact of the shut down is being felt in virginia. months before election day, ken couch n cuccinelli is feeling the heat. the president weighs in to the redskins name controversy. you probably already know what he said. a look ahead to the politics planner. the most important thing is whether we will be hearing this song at about 11:30, 11:45

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the first electoral test of the shut down will be in virginia. the state has more to lose from the federal government sending employees home than the common wealth. it is home to 170,000 federal employees and they are dependent on government spending. they pick their next senator and ken couch nellie is trying to distance himself from washington and they are trying to tie

cuccinelli to the shut down. half of the state's gop delegation has broken ranks with eric kantor and calling for a clean development. joining us is the congressman and chair surrounding the first shut down in 1995. democrat who is the president of the senate action fund. welcome to both of you. we have to be careful here. let mow start with you. let's do virginia first. he had his own issues going into the race and too, tlut upon him was not his choosing. the second is the shut down. this made the race unwinnable for him? >> no, but it's uphill. i survived the first shut down. >> they are never going to get back to that.

>> lockheed martin furloughed thousands of workers. this is ramifications. i recovered because i had a year. cuccinelli has a month. republicans are by and large taking the hit on this with the federal workers and contractors. although i have to add they are angry with everybody, but ted cruz is in this. war war were you surprised he did this? he did everything he could to make sure he didn't see him. should he have canceled? >> he is having problems in his base. he has a libertarian running it and he is between a rock and a hard place in terms of how he handles this. >> it's a good situation for him in part as mcauliffe is able to throw him a deal maker on this including on the transportation bill in the spring. >> that's the other thing he has

done. >> i think it is the direction virginia wants to go. do we want to go to the right or are we a pragmatic state and mcauliffe is the guy in the middle willing to get something done like on the transportation bill. ken cuccinelli is deeply associated with the far right. he can avoid the photo op with ted cruz, but it doesn't change anyone's perception. >> let's go to the larger picture. i will start with you. the president said he will not negotiate on any of these things until congress passes something cleanly. presumably it can be weeks on both and the president would come to the table and start talking. is that an acceptable result? >> he will not negotiate more because he gave the republicans 100% of the budget numbers he asked for. his original was 1.3 and we are at 1988. the only wane it's not 1967 is

he gave them the decoupling of the nondefense sequester. we are living in a sequester world and there was a decoupling of the defense and nondefense. the fact that he is not negotiating, he has given them 100% to avoid the shock and it's unclear where you go from there. >> that's the part of this i never understand boehner's stance on this. what house conservatives want. they are trying to tile this to the funding. >> republicans have to learn to be goodwin winners. they won, but they don't roll the media. they say they are losing and have the members out. that's where they are. you have to get a settlement. the real problem is with the debt ceiling. >> right now because they already owe back pay, this is costing you taxpayers an extra

$50 million to minimum $50 million a day. >> no question. you are not saving money. it is costing more money. on the debt ceiling issue, rarely do you get a clean debt ceiling. the president has to deal on that and they node to talk and figure out what to do. >> does boehner figure out what he wants. that keeps changing. >> if you talk not in public, you don't announce meetings and you go back and forth. i think there will be enough frustrated republicans at this point that you will be able to get something on the floor and think that boehner will put something on the floor at that point and not worry about what majority said. >> you cared about the deficit and you know what to negotiate on which is the debt ceiling. this document should be about the budget and the republicans are not putting anything out there. >> they have not gotten how much they want the debt limit raised. they have not done it that way before there was a specific

amount. one would presume boehner wants the debt limit raised before 2014. he now in the same way that the president wanted that went past november 2012. putting out a number if he had a specific number in mind, that you negotiate. >> sure. when it's about the raising of the debt limit, it seems like it is okay to have a conversation about what period of time or how much. whether you are going to mid-december. these remain in the conversation and it's relevant and people should put their cards on the table that was happening privately in the conversation. the second that president obama takes one of these positions, it becomes absolutely impossible for any republican to support that position. i think the conversations should be worked out. >> i want to bring up more politically charged issue.

whether the redskins should change their name. >> i don't think there any fans that mean offense. if i were the owner of the team and i anyhow there was a name of my team even if it had a storied history that was offending a sizable group of people i would think about changing it. >> ken cuccinelli dodged my question on this. they didn't want to give their opinion on this politically in northern virginia. can you change the redskins name and win some. >> i don't think it helps at this point. the way they are playing this year i'm not sure. >> they can put a bag over their head no matter what. >> i don't think they should change quarterbacks. >> is this getting momentum? >> ultimately it is offensive to a lot of people. many people want to support the team and want to see the quarterback healthy, but i don't think the name is important to that and it offends a lot of

people. >> i will call this the wednesday tom tom club. he will make a lot of money when he decides to change his name because he will change the redskins fans. the virginia governor may be the first of the shut down, but it won't be the last. a lock at how the shut down is put in danger. republicans can take back the senate in years. organizing for action is hammering republicans this morning, calling it irresponsible and reckless. that is also at run down. tom cotton, first in 2014 with an ad in arkansas. it's being overshadowed, but it was a rough roll out. the fallout and the future for the new law. first today's trivia question. who is the longest serving secretary of education. the first person to tweet the

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you can take four advil for all day relief. so i should give up my two aleve for more pills with advil? you're joking right? for my back pain, i want my aleve. >> loser. obama care website had technical issues. this campaigns on the fact that millions don't have health care and be surprised that millions don't have health care. >> by any measure, it was a rough first week for enrollment for the affordable care act. the obama care administration said nine million visitors checked out the website before it went down for maintenance. this is under mining the entire process. the site was supposedly overwhelmed. it's also possible that people managed to enroll signed up for programs they were not eligible for. just yesterday they acknowledged

they need to fix designs and software. they won't say how many people have enrolled so far. bringing in our panel, the candidate and campaign, that brought us to technologically advanced campaign in history in touching millions of people. they blew it this badly on the biggest and most important government outreach? it's unbelievable. for all administration to blow this. >> you talked about this, this is the master campaign that gets their hands dirty. the whole idea that they have a strong effective government to help people through huge social transition. this undermines that they never had anything in the country.

>> they are not reliable in the first week. they make people a little bit more. >> i think the white house is actually lucky that all the drama got how bad they were and all this drama on the whole and the president is not going to negotiate with congress. if they don't get this done in a couple of weeks, people have to enroll. >> they do have breathing room here, but this game that they are playing and they don't know how, if they don't know how many people signed up, what's wrong with that? how do they not know? >> you think they would want to have that number so they can shout it from the high heavens, how many people were dieing to have health insurance.

they built in part of the political risk in how they allowed the states to take over in certain areas and others rely on the federal government. they have a good or a bad experience with the government portal and others will deal with their states. you won't end up with a unified experience nationwide for people in their own dealings with the health care law. that will dictate whether or not this is a success. >> the states all have a different experience. >> they are and no doubt that republican politics got not way of cooperation. no doubt there a bunch of people who don't want this to woork. rooting for failure. who wants to be on that side? >> many republicans are rooting for failure. the book we should be doing what we can to make it work.

let's get more republicans in congress and overturn it. they hurt their own case by deciding to make this shut down on the debt limit over a bill that the president is not going to overturn and it is overshadowed by the failures. >> it has. the other part of it still can't get my arms around, they knew for months that they wonder how. to not be prepared for it makes you think and it's not the entity and is somebody going to roll? your benefits in the white house, aren't you screaming at somebody in. >> all the glitches we heard about, you click on the tab for the security question and that sort of thing is stopping people from being able to enroll. i guess it's embarrassing and

hopefully the glitches are small enough that they are fixable in the next couple of weeks, but i don't know. >> people would have been hired. >> the standard would have been higher. >> it should be. >> this is basic to building a website. it's not calculating who is eligible for medicate. >> we will pause here and smoke in a break. how years ago tthe california r. kicking off the annual education nation summit on nbc news, we will talk to sacramento mayor kevin johnson about what is working and what it takes to achieve student success. you are watching "the daily rundown" only on msnbc. laura's k didn't come with a warning. today her doctor has her on a bayer aspirin regimen to help reduce the risk of another one. if you've had a heart attack, be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen.

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>> nbc and m is, nbc and all the platforms are kicking off our education nation summit for 2013 today to look at what it takes for kids to achieve success in school. it will include discussions with the academic standards for reading, language, and math. new standardized tests will determine how well the standards are being met and evaluate teache teachers. some are second-guessing their decision. now the programs can become meyers in politics. here's more. >> in indianapolis, what i want you to buy -- >> this is the second year with the standards for 6th great ade. >> for increased my ability to reach more students and try different strategies for math.

>> the 2010 created the set of standards designed to increase performance. they do the same thing with the origin. the teacher's union is thwarted. they jump on board. the bipartisan forum is another political site. >> it's a problem of national concern. i am strongly, strongly against it. >> at town halls across the country, voters and lawmakers are listening. >> there is a very big concern of federal encroachment into education. >> chuck snyder who wanted to see it go away all and he's not alone. the opponents in 15 states have introduced legislation this year to stop or slow down limp

emtatioem implementation. >> this slows down the groups on the right. >> a conservative education price tag that supports common core. he claims it caught fire because president obama helped light the match. >> four years ago we started right to the top. the competition that convinced every state for curricula and higher standards. >> president obama took credit for the standards. >> the push is on to save the standards. >> let's invest in the future and inspire our students. >> exxon-mobil released this ad. the foundation already spent $100 billion for the standards span to spend more. in some cases it may be too late. >> the information that is coming out, it's clear that it's

ready to move on. >> there people out there that don't have the actual experience in the classroom that is making opinions about common core. >> meanwhile, millions are caught in the middle of a tug of war. craig melvin. >> sacramento mayor kevin johnson is among a group of mayors working on reform and president of the national conference of black mayors and slated to be the president of the u.s. conference of mayors. mayor johnson, good morning to you, sir. thanks for getting up early california time. i know what's going on in california is there seems to be on one hand the state wants to embrace it. on the other hand you guys are dumping standardized tests this year. the secretary of education is upset about that. where are you on common core and the controversy about what

california should do about a standardized testing. >> education is the most important issue facing our country today. there is no way we are going to fix our economy unless we fix the public school system. common core is not that complicated. it is about comparing apples and apples and not apples and oranges. in state kids can get one letter grade and in another state they get the same grade and not learning at the same level. when you compare the standards, we are not doing as well. what we want to do is have a set of standards that means we are preparing ourselves sprlly as well. we rank 14th, 17th and 21st in reading, science, and math. that is unacceptable. kids are going to need to attain a certain level of skills to steal those jobs. there will be 120 million jobs

and we will have 50 million of them with kids in the united states. 70 million will be filled with kids in india and china. unacceptable. >> you are for it. young it's the mid-casting of it because it's a lot of parents are hearing the standardized, nationalized when maybe this is an argument that you are trying to come up with a common floor when it comes to the minimum standard? >> absolutely. we have to make sure our kids are learning and teachers are teaching. we have to have a way to measure and compare that. we are not putting the students first. we have the politics and issues caught up. the reason why they played an important role in the country in providence and san antonio and denver and sacramento, the mayors know better than anybody how schools impact the economic vitality and health of our

communities. it's not about partisanship. it has to be about bipartisanship. that's not what we are talking about. >> you want more mayors to have more power over school systems and as you know, the point is to keep that power from being centralized with a mayor or governor or a president. how do you balance that feel that people will think that they lose their impact on a school board if you strip the school board power? >> it shouldn't be about that. it should be about accountability. there is a single point of accountability. when have too many people accountable, nobody is accountable. the staff with the mayors, we believe that mayoring should be involved in aligning city services and doing initiative and taking something they believe is very important and take advantage of the board and

level four, a partial control of schools where you can appoint the members and level five, where mayors have full control of schools. wherever you land along the spectrum, you have to equate real accountability. we believe that is where mayors have control of the schools. >> let me ask you what the former student athletes had on. ncaa controversy, should they be compensated more than they are today with the money that is being made off of their life in college? >> absolutely. >> it's a very complicated issue. we need to study it. it's time where we get down to the nitty-gritty. this is a topic that the mayor will engage in. i know the advantage of having this discussion. i know now is the time to have it. >> all right, kevin johnson, mayor of sacramento and got up early for me tomorrow in california time. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> watch the education nation

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let me tell you something, the answer is clear. for the people to win, politics as usual must lose. >> it was ten years ago today arnold schwarzenegger actually may have been the guy that ushered in the tea party era.

we'll see what our gaggle things of this. let's bring in our monday gaggle. ron, if people recall at the time the idea of recalling gray davis was something a burcnch o conservatives were fired up about, darrell issa has funding the campaign at the time. he was a little known republican activist out in california at the time, the elites of the republican party have said this is a stupid idea. this is wasting time. this is going to blow back on the republican party. >> and the elites were kind of right, weren't they? >> they were. the elites were right. the tea party got what they wanted. they recalled gray davis. what did they get in turn? >> a very moderate republican governor. i haven't given a lot of thought to it, but i think it was the first sign of the grassroots using the anger and the powers of the modern age. i think we've become more polarized and more 'em bauempow since then. >> that success, m.j. -- look,

there were grass tops that fed the grassroots at that time. darrell issa was one of the big contributors but there were other quiet conservative contributors that created this grassroots movement that got it done. but what did they get? >> well, i think as boehner looks to figure out whether he's going to be on the same message as the tea party grassroots movement or not when he goes and offers his talking points the next couple of weeks, he's going to have to give a little bit more than we don't have the votes in the house to pass a clean cr. i think that we saw it this weekend and we'll keep seeing it. democrats will say prove it, bring it to a vote. >> what does victory look like? >> well, the consequences of this are that you have people that aren't beholden to the establishment. ted cruz, rand paul. >> that's what 2003 gave us. >> they don't owe anybody anything. that's what we're seeing play out today. >> before i get to shameless plug plugs, i want to put up the markets. the markets all down triple -- the dow is down triple digits. ron, we know they're the wild

card here. >> yeah, that affects everybody. you look at your 401(k) today, folks. >> october 15th coming. shameless plugs. >> who broke washington, who and what structural changes have broken this crummy town offous. >> that's why i started in california. california gives us the good, the bad and ugly. >> shoutout to politico pro's health care team. their rollout of the aca has been excellent. >> and casey, go ahead. >> to my nbc colleague, frank thorpe. follow his instagram feed for a unique look at the crisis. >> the guy actually -- we talk about being multi platform. he is. he even wears google glasses. that's it for this edition of "the daily rundown." we'll see you right back here tomorrow at 9:00. coming up, chris jansing. bye-bye. i'm meteorologist bill karins.

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good morning, i'm chris jansing. this morning 300,000 civilian employees at the defense department are back