it took a week to end just those furloughs and the house has already passed a bill to make sure government workers affected by the shutdown get paid. but as we enter week two of the government shutdown, there's no end in sight. in fact you could make an argument things are worse. congress gets back to work this afternoon, but there are no meetings and no negotiations. the president says he wants to vote on funding the government, no strings attached, which is, of course, called the clean cr. but john boehner says that can't pass. >> we are not going to pass a clean debt limit increase. i told the president, there's no way we're going to pass one. the votes are not in the house to pass a clean debt limit. and the president is risking default by not having a conversation with us. >> but according to an nbc news whip count, the votes are there. at least 22 republicans would vote for a clean cr. and democrats are calling speaker boehner on that. >> let me issue him a friendly challenge. put it on the floor monday or tuesday. i would bet there are the votes

to pass it. >> why doesn't he put it on the floor and give it a chance? i worked for a speaker for eight years. i worked for speaker o'neill who believed deeply the one thing american people won't tolerate is obstructionism. he put things on the floor and sometimes he won and sometimes he lost. >> of course there's another huge battle looming. ten days away from october 17th, the nation's credit card hits its limit then, and without a vote to raise the debt ceiling, the united states will default on its debt. i want to bring in our company, washington post politics reporter jackie kucinich and chicago sun-times bureau chief lynn sweet. good morning. >> good morning. >> has anything really changed from a week ago? >> not really. maybe there's a little bit more acrimony. it doesn't seem like it. except that you have more republicans coming out and saying that they'll support a clean cr. there's a -- the "washington post" whip count has it somewhere over 20. when you add them to the democrats, it really does seem like the votes are there. but for speaker boehner, there is a huge political risk for

bringing this to the floor. you know, anything short of defunding obama care or even getting more republican priorities in a cr is going to look like a failure for some of his members. >> michael bloomberg was on "morning joe" today and he put it this way. >> you take a look at the charade that's going on in washington right now, they have shut down the government. yes, except they're rehiring everybody for the defense department. everybody is going to get paid so all they really shut down was the revenue side for the government. they didn't shut down the expense side for the government. and this is just -- we'll get up to the end, my guess would be, and just before the cliff, they'll figure out some ways to kick the can down the road. that's what they always do. >> lynn, sound about right? >> well, yeah, in terms of a charade. but what's so interesting, chris, is i think that speaker boehner made a tactical error by saying that the votes aren't there when they are and wouldn't

common sense tell you for how this will play with most of america, oh, well, let's just put it to a vote and find out. because what has changed in this last week is that the shutdown got married with the debt ceiling crisis. so we now have these two crises interrelated, which makes the stakes so much higher. >> well, the other thing that seems to be at play here a lot is, and crystal, your colleague, writes about this today. boehner used the word "conversation" 22 times in that interview. and the republicans seem to think and woe heard this in that off mike from our two friends from kentucky last week that if you say negotiate, if you say conversation enough times it makes it look like the administration, the white house are the bad guys here. is that what's going on? >> particularly when you had republicans just a few months ago saying they didn't want to negotiate with the white house. so it is -- there is a little bit of a disconnect here, but i mean the fact is both sides have dug in at this point and no one

is really looking to give anyone else any kind of face-saving provisions. so until someone is going to give, we're going to be in this stand still. >> it seems like they stopped talking about obama care so much and have moved on to things like medicare and medicaid. >> you started hearing that this weekend from senator rand paul and some others. they're really talking about spending now. and this started about defunding, delaying obama care and it seems to have spread out. i think the closer we get to the debt ceiling, they wanted keystone and it bunch of other things attached to that, the house republicans did. so, yes, it seems like now the ball -- the goal posts have moved again. and that's going to make their negotiating position a little bit shakier as well. >> and i think the conventional wisdom about all of this has been what steny hoyer said today on "morning joe." let me play that. >> they're all looking over their shoulder at the tea party primary challengers. i have a lot of very close friends that i work across the aisle with who shrug their shoulders and say we don't know

what's wrong with these guys. >> business leaders in michigan, we hear reporting today, are recruiting primary challengers to justin amash. of course he was the libertarian who led the charge toward a shutdown. and there are other ones. republicans in vulnerable districts, ohio, florida, iowa. but realistically, lynn, is there any power at the center of the republican party at all right now? >> no. the power leadership at this center is diminished. clearly if they just had an up or down vote, all those members who were worried about primaries could vote no. they could vote in their self interest. but the problem is, is that boehner, as long as he doesn't allow for votes at this stage, i think he has to fear more of a backlash and sympathy factor that may bow with him now in some corners might be dissipating, because it's not enough to take a stand. in the end, you have to govern. >> i want to bring in congressman adam schiff, a democrat from california.

good to see you here, congressman. good morning. we heard what john boehner had to say yesterday. there are other members of the caucus who say we have never been more united. do you believe that's true? i understand you're going back to washington this afternoon. but is your perception that's true? if so, what does that mean for moving the ball forward? >> well, i don't agree with the speaker. i think if he puts it to a vote, a clean bill to keep the government running or get it running again would pass. what usually happens in these votes is it starts out close. you get 20 to 25 republicans voting for it, almost all democrats voting for it, and then when it breaks that 217-vote threshold, then you have all other people piling on because they want to be on the winning side of the vote so it could pass with a much more substantial vote than that, but it would pass and we could reopen the government and get back to business. but they are still maintaining this dug-in position. but as was pointed out, they are shifting in terms of what they want. >> let's talk about that, because they're shifting away from obama care and looking at things like overhauling the tax code, broader reductions to

medicare, medicaid. is that whether this is headed? >> well, i think at the end of the day it's a conversation we need to have and a negotiation we need to have. but we can't really have that now, because these are really big picket items that are going to be tough to resolve. and doing that with the government shut down, with all the people out of work and hurting with this artificial blow to our economy is just not a way to govern. and this president not only needs to worry about what's going to happen the time the next debt ceiling is reached or the next funding bill is due but he has to worry about what the next president is going to contend with. we can't have a situation where a minority that can't get its way either at the ballot box or even in a vote in the congress shuts the government down or threatens to default if they don't get what they want. >> just looking at the government shutdown, which by at least most economists' view is certainly the lesser of the two in terms of the evil for the global economy, i think another part of the conventional wisdom was the government shuts down, the republicans get blamed as more and more people, more and

more anger grows throughout the u.s. you and i were talking before we came on the air. you said you're getting fewer calls to your office than you thought you would. is this just sort of a fact that there are centers of federal workers and if you're not directly affected by it, you may be disgusted with congress, but not enough that it pushes congress to do anything? >> i think over time more and more people are affected, so in the initial hours of the shutdown or when the shutdown was threatening, yes, those districts that had a preponderance of federal workers -- >> but time is running out, isn't it? >> time is running out. more people are being affected, the economy is being affected of the clinical trials around the country are being affected. people are seeing how they're affected and that takes some time and that generates pressure. we're seeing the results of that pressure as every day more and more republicans say, all right, enough. this wasn't a good tactical position to take anyway. give us a clean vote and we will reopen the government. so that public pressure is important. it is changing the dynamic.

it is amazing to me, though, that the gop is holding on to this kind of burn the house down strategy as long as it has. i'm convinced if we didn't have these repeated economic crises every three or six months, our economy would have recovered a year ago and we would be in a much better place. >> all this started as we've said so many times about obama care, the rollout started last woke. they were expecting 50 to 60,000 users at any given time. instead they got a quarter of a million. so "saturday night live" had a little fun with it. let me play it. >> loser, the obama care website, which had technical issues all week because of too much web traffic. you can't campaign on the fact that millions don't have health care and then be surprised that millions don't have health care. how could you not be ready? that's like 1-800-flowers getting caught off guard by valentine's day. >> fair question, though, why this website wasn't prepared for more traffic? >> it's a perfectly fair question and it's excruciatingly

frustrating. here was this big rollout, here was this big day and you've got all this traffic that you can't accommodate. so i'm certain that people are going to be looking at the i.t. folks and saying what were you thinking, and it's a missed opportunity because you can't get back those -- >> are you worried that people are frustrated and just won't go back? you heard stories about people getting shut out, people spent more than two hours, couldn't figure out the paperwork. >> im concerned about it. if you look at massachusetts, which had a similar model, people don't ebb roll the first time they go on the site. they need to go back and back and shop and compare. at the end of the day hopefully won't have much of an impact but there will be certain people turned off and others that say i'm going to wait because it's too crowded and too difficult to get online right now. i hope those problems have been fixed but very frustrating and embarrassing. >> congressman, i know you're heading back to d.c. thank you for stopping by. really appreciate it. let me play -- the president talked about these rollout web

problems. here's what he said this weekend. >> it is true that what's happened is the website got overwhelmed by the volume. and folks are working around the clock and have been systematically reducing the wait times, but wore confident that over the course of the six months, because it's important to remember people have six months to sign up, that we are going to probably exceed what anybody expected in terms of the amount of interest that people have. >> it's really interesting, lynn, reuters talked to five tech experts who say it's not the traffic, it's the way the website was constructed. you do wonder how this happened. >> well, yes. actually someone at the white house told me yesterday that they had been working on reengineering parts of it over the weekend. they also had beefed up the call centers where you could just call up kind of old fashioned and talk to people over the phone, which isn't bad because insurance is so confusing. so they have acknowledged for the first time some of the technical issues that are going

on, and you just wonder how could they not have figured this out beforehand. >> and if there is a silver lining, jackie, since tuesday, 8.6 million people have visited the obama care website. so i think that's affirming for what the democrats have been saying all along. and you also wonder if we weren't in a government shutdown right now, given these glitches in the system, if the republicans wouldn't have actually had a stronger case, at least in their minds, to make against obama care, an anti-obama care platform than if we weren't spending all of our time talking about this other stuff. >> yeah, and you hear that when you talk to some republicans who aren't ploesd with what's happening right now in the capital, that they would have had a stronger position because of some of the problems that have occurred with this website. and so, yeah, they have taken -- since we're focused on the government being shut down and all the disarray, they might have had a stronger case, especially when you look down the line at 2014.

>> thank you for talking to both of you. thank you. the sisters of the woman killed by capitol police are asking did she have to die? investigators are now reconstructing every step police officers took in chasing and opening fire on miriam carey after she tried to ram her car into barricades near the white house and the capitol. carey's family says although she was suffering from postpartum depression, she never showed any signs of aggression, nor did she have any negative feelings against the president. on katz, ca"today" her sister s she thought happened. >> my sister was afraid by officers with their guns drawn. if in fact she wasn't supposed to be in a restricted area, how was she allowed to drive in that area. if you hear gunshots, it's like i'm afraid, i don't want to be here, i want to get out of here, i have a baby in the car. >> washington, d.c., police say they have rules that prohibit shooting at a moving car unless deadly force is being used

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phillips, director of education for the bill and melinda gates foundation, and margery mayer, president of the scholastic foundation. great of both of you to come in. vicki, why has there been so much controversy about common core? >> i think as you can tell from teachers not so much controversy. they're very aware of it, very positive about it and understand the challenges of implementing it. i think some of the controversy comes more from people who don't know about it yet, haven't heard about it and once they understand what these standards will do for students, that sort of worry about it dissipates. >> well, one of the big surprise, i think, is that how overwhelming some of the numbers were. your poll found that 74% of teachers said common core would require them to change their teaching practices, doesn't seem to worry them because only 8% are against it. at our education nation teacher town hall, a high school teacher addressed this problem. take a listen. >> we believe that our students should have standards, and the common core could work, but what

we need are adequate resources, meaningful professional development and curriculum that's aloined to the common core. >> and that is the problem, isn't it, margery, because where is the money going to come from? it doesn't matter where you live, you're hearing about school budgets being cut. >> i agree. and we hear from teachers all the time that they are going to need support. but the reality is, is that they're excited about common core because it's asking them to do the things that i think they really want to do for their kids, which is help them become bet better thinkers, deal with rigorous curriculum, help them reason. so i think they'll find the resources that they're going to need but it might take a little bit of time. >> let's talk for people who might not have kids in school and might not be familiar with common core. what do you hope to accomplish? >> it's a clear and consistent set of guidelines for what kids

should know and be able to do in english, language arts and mathematics, in order to successful in college, in a career, in the community. so it creates a set of consistent benchmarks across the country. >> isn't a lot of it about really focusing more on how they think? this is not about rote memorization or passing a multiple choice test. >> one of the powerful things in the survey is teachers, i think 70% of them, the ela and math teachers believe it will strengthen their students' critical thinking and reasoning skills and that is what the common core calls for. >> let me play again, because i thought yesterday when you had the teacher forum, it was fascinating to listen to. here's what a 25-year veteran had to say about these standards. >> providing a rigorous curriculum was always my goal, and i didn't need the state coming in and telling me that. last year i had a child who actually said to me if i don't pass this test, are you going to get fired? and i thought to myself no

8-year-old should have that burden on their shoulders. >> that's the other side of this, is the concern about testing. and what do you say to those concerns? >> well, we expect testing to actually get better, because under the old system where each state had its own test, and there were lots and lots of individual standards that kids were being taught and teachers were being evaluated on, we're talking about a narrow set of standards, more focused and we think the tests will be a better measure of what our kids are learning. they're also going to inform the teacher on where they can help kids go forward. >> it is a fascinating conversation and the study is interesting. where can people find it when they want to learn more? where is it online? >> on scholastic.com. >> and linked to our website as well. >> thanks to both of you for coming in. >> thank you so much. it was ten years ago when 14-year-old elizabeth smart was taken out of her bedroom at

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at edward jones, it's how we make sense of investing. the pentagon tells nbc news that america's most wanted terror suspect is being interrogated right now aboard a u.s. helicopter carrier in the mediterranean. wanted for the deadly 1998 u.s. embassy bombings in kenya and tanzania was captured over the weekend by u.s. special forces in rare snatch and grab operation. in a separate mission in somalia, navy s.e.a.l.s got into a heavy gun fight as they attempted to capture the leader behind al shabaab. >> the united states of america will never stop in its effort to hold those accountable who conduct acts of terror and those members of al qaeda and other terrorist organizations literally can run but they can't hide.

>> the high-risk raids are a change from recent military strategy that relied more heavily on drone strikes. let me bring in msnbc military analyst, lieutenant colonel jack jacob, nbc's chief foreign correspondent, richard engel, is here as well. great to have you both here. let's start with who abu anas is. give us a thumbnail sketch. >> he's about 50 years old, one of the founding members of al qaeda. he reported directly to osama bin laden. he's been critical in the north africa operations, linked specifically to the kenya/tanzania bombings and he's now being held on a u.s. ship, being interrogated. he has not been read his miranda rights, so they are trying to get whatever specific intelligence they have, not just past information about the attacks in kenya and tanzania, which would be good for the historic record, but who he might know who's still in libya, north africa -- >> so he has knowledge of al

qaeda, is it fair to say virtually unmatched? >> he's an al qaeda superstar. he's one of the original members of the group. he reported directly to bin laden. when bin laden was killed, he was supposed to report to al zawahiri, the doctor from egypt who took over, he refused to do that and had been operating more or less on his own. >> we talk about these operations as high risk/high reward. talk a little bit about them and the decision to use these raids instead of drones. >> well, it's a tough decision because if you lose americans in a hostile place, it's very bad news indeed. in libya, it was a little bit easier to conduct an operation like this because there's actual commerce taking place and people driving around and suvs and the rest of that stuff is fairly common place. it's easier to do. the military was only peripherally involved in that exercise. but in somalia, it's a different story altogether. completely lawless place.

totally lawless. and any kind of operation is going to have to be really clandestine. that means landing from a ship or a helicopter on a beach and then moving inland under the cover of darkness using infiltration and you can't just blow the place up, which is what they would like to have done, because there would be a lot of collateral damage. americans on the ground engaged with bad guys in a building in a built-up area. you would like to be able to blow it up but you can't. if they couldn't get in there and snatch him or kill him, it's best to call the operation off before you have american casualties in a very, very difficult location. >> think of these two operations, exactly as the colonel was saying. in tripoli, it was an urban environment. u.s. troops and special operators and intelligence surrounded him in a car. there were three other vehicles. smashed his window, got him out of the car and got him out of the country on to this warship. but operating in an urban environment like that, you don't

necessarily get detected. you could have american commandos there unnoticed. landing on a beach in the middle of the night in somalia, everyone will see this, know it is hostile. as soon as the navy s.e.a.l.s did that and they hit that boech, there was a big firefight. >> and in one case, you got your guy, in the other case you didn't. but even in the case you didn't, how important is it to send that message, we're coming in, we're going to get you. >> i think they noticed when the s.e.a.l.s showed up at their house. >> and the secretary of state effectively says we're going to deep doing this as long as we've got people to take care of. >> give us some diplomatic or political context, whichever way you want to phrase it, because lb libya is essentially saying the united states kidnapped their guy. >> libya. the public messaging and private messaging are always very different. the public messaging from several members of the government in libya is that this was a foreign operation, this was a kidnapping, which, by the

way, it pretty much was. you had foreign governments coming in and snatching people. how do you think the united states would react if the canadians special forces were suddenly abducting people in new york and sending them to warships. pretty badly. i would think members of congress would come out and denounce that. we're seeing that happen in libya as well. we're also not hearing privately the same kind of complaints. >> and you're suggesting those things aren't necessarily analogous. >> i'm saying a foreign country grabbing someone from your sovereign territory for whatever reason, a lot of people wouldn't be happen in it. >> and to the extent there's a government in somalia, which there is not, if you hear anything from them at all, it is to be disregarded. >> thank you both. appreciate you being in. we also want to update you on some severe weather that's moving into the northeast at this hour. there is a tornado watch in effect right now all the way up the i-95 corridor from

washington, d.c., through new york state. nbc meteorologist bill karins tells us you should expect strong storms with high winds that could knock down trees and cause power outages. that type of damage could be widespread so we'll keep a close eye and keep you posted. checking the news feed this morning, secretary of state john kerry says he is, quote, very pleased to hear u.n. chemical weapons teams have started destroying syria's stockpile of weapons. >> i think it's also credit to the assad regime for complying rapidly, as they are supposed to. now, we hope that will continue. i'm not going to vouch today for what happens months down the road. but it's a good beginning. and we should welcome a good beginning. >> in an interview with a german newspaper, bashar al assad again denied using chemical weapons against his people. the supreme court is beginning its new term today despite the government shutdown. the justices are hearing six

arguments this week, including a closely watched challenge to limits on campaign contributions. they'll hear key cases on abortion rights, affirmative action, public prayer and presidential power. fire officials have gained the upper hand on a weekend fire at camp pendleton. the 2500-acre fire is now about 20% contained. officials are confident the containment lines they built will hold and they started to allow about 230 people back into their homes after being evacuated. that 9-year-old runaway who snuck on to a plane remains in protective custody in las vegas. the boy went through security, passed gate agents, on to a delta flight in minneapolis headed to vegas thursday morning without a boarding pass. the tsa says they have reviewed the video of the child at checkpoints and are investigating whether they should reconfigure barriers to try to prevent another incident like this one. the olympic flame has begun its 39,000-mile journey through russia but it got off to a rocky

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from candy to costumes, americans are now expected to spend nearly $7 billion on halloween this year, which is why when you drive down any major highway, those halloween pop-up stores are hard to miss. formerly vacant stores now filled and creating a lot of jobs. spirit halloween. more than 1,000 stores nationwide adding 20,000 temporary employees. halloween city more than 400 stores hiring 10,000 seasonal workers. let's bring in retail analyst, heatha provokar. this is kind of a win-win, right? >> we're talking huge business. this is a $6 billion industry, so these stores obviously want to get a piece of that pie. this started back in the '80s by

a man that really started sears. he started these small pop-up stores, sold his business for $6 million, so this has been going on for a while now. >> what's behind the growth? something. >> well, we've seen these pop-up stores at 24%, so huge growth here. what it has to do with is the fact that these stores don't have to pay that much overhead. so we're talking about $60,000 for two months of rent, which seems like a rent. when you think of it long term, most of the times these stores have to put down deposits, basically sign over their first born in order to get a store. so they're really talking about with the low overhead and prices kind of matching demand, you're seeing really big margins there. >> we talked to a franchise owner of halloween express in east brunswick, new jersey, who told us how early they actually get this process under way. take a listen. >> i'll start usually around april, may, looking for location, getting a lease together, signing it, getting in by like august to set up.

people start coming in the end of august and it just builds week after week. >> when you think about all the work that goes into this, it's hard to figure how they make money, but i guess they do. >> oh, yeah, absolutely. they are not only making money, again on those costumes, they're capitalizing on the fact that people are doing last-minute shopping. we see it at the holidays. people go back out, go shopping on the 23rd of december, you see the same thing. so most of the business they're seeing is between the 28th, 29th and sometimes during the day on the 31st. >> the most shocking thing to me is that adults outspend children on costumes. look at these numbers. we're talking $1 billion for adults, children $1.2 billion and pets $330 million. mint.com said pet spending is up 9% this year. >> people getting costumes for their pets? >> and overall spending on their pets. yes, costumes for the pets. >> what else is included in

these numbers? besides costumes, there's all sorts of decorations and candy. >> the spending on candy is really -- we've seen a increase according to the national retail federation on that as well. really going back to the macroeconomic terms, people really experience this term called frugal fatigue. so they were sick of not spending for so long that now they're going gang busters for the holidays and you'll see that spending increase. >> heatha, fascinating stuff. thanks for coming in. >> thanks for having me. >> today's tweet of the day comes from molly wood out in california. just had a little earthquake. luckily the government is all over that. oh, wait, she included a picture from the usgs website that says they have suspended most of their operations because of the furlough.

women may have come a long way in business, but they still have a long way to go. let's talk about the media. a new report finds women did make gains running local tv

newsroom, reaching 30% for the first time. at top newspaper, men dominated front page bylines during last year's presidential election coverage three to one and women make up just 9% of top grossing movie directors. joining me to talk about all that and tomorrow night's women's media awards, actress lily tomlin, host of the event, and robin morgan, co-founder of the women's media center. it's great to have both of you here. >> thank you. >> as i'm looking at these numbers, they seem like good news. it is a rise, but it's still 30% of women as news directors. where are we now with women in media? >> not enough. every year the women's media center, people can get it at womensmediacenter.com publishes status of women in the media and it could curl your hair. you know, on the sunday morning talk shows, the pundits, we're less than 25%. here's the amazing thing, even on subjects which directly pertain to women, reproductive

rights, equal pay, you know, really hard core, men are consulted more often than women. three to one male bylines on newspaper articles. and when you move even higher up in the food chain, women disappear. it's like a handful of pale males controlling our media. so the aim of the women's media center is to make women visible and powerful in media. not only because it's good for women and it's fair, but also it's good for men, it's good for journalism, it's good for democracy. >> lily, what made you want to be a part of this? >> for all these same reasons. any time you know of a group that's really making an impact and making strides effectively this way, you just want to be a part of it. you want to lend something to it if your able to. and the programs that women's media center provides are kind of amazing. they have she source so that all kinds of women who are top authorities in every possible

area are available and you know where you can find them, because so often in the media they would say we don't -- there are no women who know about atomic energy or something like that. >> and we train women, you know, in media skills. and we do media monitoring for sexism and racism on air. we've wrestled some apologies from certain anchors. >> are we getting any better in that area? >> we're getting a little bit better. chris matthews apologized. >> it is a push uphill. >> it is a push uphill. >> weren't you, when you did stand-up way back in the day, you were one of the few women who were doing that and you've played roles, i saw you in "admission" where you played the mom of tina fey and you were like this crazy, hippy woman. but an important -- >> but i had an a notable feminist. >> she trail blazed for women in comedy. people didn't do characters before her. >> you've done it both sides.

you've done it real life, you've done it on the screen. i was just saying about "the west wing" you talked back to the president more than a few times, so from a very personal perspective, what does this mean to you? >> well, it's just to make -- it's to make the country and the world better ultimately, just because we have a more democratic gallitarian, fully formed human existence on the planet. >> we're the majority of people. media reflects and also defines reality, so if women are not in an equal place there, what then is reality? she has guested on the radio -- we've got a radio show now, women's media center live, which i host. i'm a pretend you, and i host it. and it's on cbs, but it's also better even yet worldwide on the web at wmclive.com. i've had her as a guest, i've add christiane amanpour and they

talk about things they don't get to talk about anything else. someone else who's been a guest is maria teresa kumar. >> and what do you think these kinds of -- i'm sure you've gotten a million awards. you probably have boxes in your attic somewhere. but why are awards in a situation like this important? do they matter? >> i think it matters in terms of public machine, influence, just the essence of what's in the zeitgeist. when you see people like christiane receiving an award tomorrow night, she's greatly admired, she's certainly plenty smart and has done a lot of extraordinary things. >> a lifetime achievement award in her case. >> what's it going to take to move to the next level, though? >> i was talking earlier to somebody and i said, you know, it took 20 years just to get people to wear seat belts, so it takes -- it takes time. this is a whole cultural thing. we've lived with this for eons

and some people live with it in a far deeper, rigid, tragic equation. >> it's moving faster because of the technology and communications. and it took 100 years for women to get the vote, and i think we're about halfway through the 50 -- the 50-year mark offemini. it's also seeing that more men are seeing finally that it's in their self interest as well. not all men, some are dinosaurs, so it's moving, just not fast enough. we're in there making it move faster. >> when i was -- in my early years, in the early years of this wave of feminism, do you remember where you were the last time it was pronounced dead? time after time after time. >> is it dead? >> no! but the thing that moved my

heart the most, and we had it in the search even, i used to say at gather go aheings and rallie is about moving the whole species forward, not just half of it. i felt that so deeply in my heart that that's really what kept me pursuing it. i did think it was just vastly meaningful to all of us. >> well, good luck tomorrow. we are out of time. i'm going to be encroaching on the next show. but lily tomlin, great to have you here. robin, we always love having you. >> thank you, chris. >> that's going to wrap up this hour of "jansing & co." i'm chris jansing. thomas roberts is up next. chunky spicy chicken quesadilla soup. she gives me chunky before every game. i'm very souperstitious. haha, that's a good one! haha! [ male announcer ] campbell's chunky soup. it fills you up right. okay, who helps you focus on your recovery? yo, yo, yo. aflac. wow. [ under his breath ] that was horrible. pays you cash when you're sick or hurt? [ japanese accent ] aflac.

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