seeing the impact this is having on lives, families,egular americans outside the beltway. no death benefits for the families of military members killed in action, leaving 16 grieving families who were promised at the very least they'd be taken care of. without their husbands and wives and money to plan funerals. defense secretary chuck hagel is headed over to dover air force base to meet with some of those families as the house gets ready to pass a bill that would restore those benefits today. meantime at the grand canyon, 2,000 workers are stranded without food or money to leave. the "arizona daily sun" says food banks and resort officials are trying to help out there. in north carolina, there's no money left for wic benefits. those vouchers go to low income breast-feeding women, their infants and children. the cdc staff is having to

come back to deal with a s salmonella outbreak but are not getting paid. alaska fishermen can't drop their traps into the water. we're talking about tens of millions of dollars at stake. family incomes on the line. and the atf not issuing permits for new breweries, recipes or labels and that is taking a toll on the small business craft beer industry. those are just some companies. let's bring in matt welch, bob herbert is a distinguished senior fellow. good to see you both. hi. a lot of outrage from congress over these death benefits. let me just play a little clip. >> i'm ashamed. i'm embarrassed. all of us should be. >> your government has let you down in a time of your need. >> private charity did step in to help and the house is going to vote on this at 3:00 today. take a look at the congressional

approval rating right now. it's at 5%. embarrassment, shame, john mccain says, but i don't know, matt, does that mean a resolution? >> we'll see a resolution at some point. i think what we're seeing is that the shutdown is now bleeding into the debt ceiling and it's all going to come together. so that indicates that we're not going to probably see a resolution until we get to that debt ceiling deadline, because the president has said i will not negotiate and republicans are not going to surrender without at least some tiny little bit of concession to their part. so we're going to see this -- there's going to be a series of votes on capitol hill to restore things that are outrages or that are popular, but ultimately i don't think we're going to get a big deal done until the president agrees to negotiate. >> well, one of the things is tom coburn, you know, he was on the floor and he was busy cutting up a giant credit card. i think somebody might ask was it an essential employee who got

that big credit card made? i'm not being facetious here. the house gym, by the way, is open and now they're talking about -- and we have a picture of the door. we're not allowed inside to show you the fancy equipment but there's a bill that's been introduced to remove the essential status from the gym. bob, what is going on here? >> it's really -- it's real craziness. and while it's proper to highlight the terrible situation with the troops who were killed and what's happened with their families, i think one of the things that's gotten lost here is the number of ordinary people who are suffering as a result of this shutdown. it seems to the american people, and i've talked to a lot of people now, that these folks in congress don't really care about the impact on ordinary individuals. you know, there's this turf fight going on and it's gotten out of control. >> you don't think about it and that's why we wanted to do that at the top. alaska's fishermen who the crabbing season is about to start. they don't know if they'll be able to put food on the table

for their family. >> one of the things that this highlights is why should alaska crabbers be -- their lives be at the whim of the federal government. we're seeing that the government is involved in all kinds of things maybe it oughtn' t we. you want to see how government works, try looking at it when it's shut down. >> that's a choice -- the involvement in the federal government in the lives of the american people is a choice to be made by the american people via their elected representatives, not in this kind of a situation in washington where there is a government shutdown and you start determining, well, what should be the extent of government involvement. >> and we did hear just this morning that the house democrats are going to go over to the white house today to talk to the president. although he was out there yesterday, hour-long news conference, answered questions about this. he made it clear he's standing firm, not going to negotiate. let's play a little clip from yesterday. >> the american people do not get to demand a ransom for doing

their jobs. we can't make extortion routine as part of our democracy. democracy doesn't function this way. at some point we've got to kind of break these habits. and get back to the point where everybody understands that in negotiations, there is give and there is take. and you do not hold people hostage or engage in ransom taking to get 100% of your way. >> matt, what did you take away from what the president said in an hour-long news conference yesterday? >> that he's going to not negotiate for another week until it gets really dire. he doesn't have this choice. it's not up to him to say there has to be a 100% clean debt ceiling passed to him because of the principle of ransom taking. they put conditions on the debt ceiling as recently as january of this year. in jmarch, 2011. there is a history of doing this. >> and republicans are pushing back. in paul ryan's op-ed, here's how

we end the stalemate. negotiate. eric cantor's op-ed, divided government requires bipartisan negotiation. >> yeah, but tt misses the point. the shutdown started over obama care, which is something that's the law of the land, passed by both houses of congress, signed by the president and upheld by the supreme court. so what the republicans said was we wanted changes in obama care. that was not going to happen. so now there's sort of this vague thing that's replaced that, because that was unpopular, that stand. you know, we want to negotiate. well, then the question becomes negotiate over what? well, the republicans have had all kinds of opportunities going back the longest period of times to negotiate over budget issues and they have chosen not to. so this is really a smoke screen. but i do think that what's going to happen is i do think that obama will be forced to negotiate on some issues, but that will bow lie linked to the limit. the republicans will try to declare, well, we made him negotiate and try to declare that as a victory and move on. >> i want to bring in

congressman steve cohen, a democrat from memphis. congressman, good morning. >> good morning, chris. >> the approval of congress, i don't know if you heard it, 5%. military families are going on local tv. they aren't getting death benefits because of this shutdown. john mccain says we ought to be ashamed. is he right? >> well, he is correct because i think the government needs to function. and right now it's not. you've got this tea party group that really doesn't believe in government and doesn't believe in folks working together to get compromise. i think if you read paul krugman, which i do, you've got to have a middle class. the economy improving gets us out of our debt problem. and our debt ratio to gdp is not that great compared to other times. and they're hurting the economy, which is hurting the deficit, which is hurting the middle class and that's just wrong. >> i think both sides agree that this is probably not great for the economy, so the question is how do you get there? republicans are now saying very publicly in op-ed, on the floor of the house and senate they

want to sit down, talk, negotiate. and if i can, let me play for you what mark sanford said on "morning joe." >> i would argue that the democrats today are overplaying their hands given the president's unwillingness and harry reid's unwillingness to sit down at the table with john boehner. >> are you, congressman, democrats overplaying your hand? >> no, i don't think so at all. i think the republicans overplayed their hand, and i know it sounds like them and us. but the fact is, this should be over the budget numbers and the ryan budget of 986 is what we have accepted, their numbers. we wanted a trillion 58 in the continuing resolution. so we accepted their budget numbers, the ryan numbers. but they want to go further and do something that's never been done in history. they talk about 17 previous shutdowns. most of those were democratic senates and democratic houses dealing with jimmy carter. they were short term and they were never over trying to repeal the law of the land as the affordable care act is.

so this is special and i think the democrats are right not to recognize what is really an improper situation. the whole procedure is wrong and to negotiate with them when they really shouldn't even be at the table. we gave them their budget numbers. they should accept them, accept yes for an answer. >> i don't know if you've seen this because it really just came out this morning but i'm going to play a little clip. this is new video, congressman, that was put out by the rnc this morning. >> most americans know that increasing debt is the last thing we should be doing. >> if we don't raise the debt ceiling, it would be the height of irresponsibility. >> get back to where we're paying down our debt. >> this is just kind of a routine part of keeping the government running. >> not increasing the debt limit. >> this is something routine. >> the negligence of borrow and spend policies. >> it's been done more than 40 times. >> so, obviously, it basically points out the debt ceiling has been used by democrats before and in fact that has a senator, barack obama voted against it, so their point is democrats are

being hypocritical when they say they won't negotiate over it now. >> well, i understand what they're saying and i wish that senator obama would have done different but he was in the minority. sometimes when you're in the minority, you know the majority will do right by the country. we like to think that the republicans who are the majority in the house would do right for the country. they're not. john boehner has got himself in a position where a lot of people with one or two terms in congress, many of those people live in their offices and use that house gym to shower. i think that's messaging and the speaker won't cut that down because a lot of the people responsible to this, if they found out they couldn't shower living on government moneys, then they might come to the table and say, hey, this is too much. there's some real problems here and a lot of things under -- behind the scenes. >> so you're for shutting down the gym to put a little pressure on? >> i think it makes sense when the american people are suffering, it should happen. it would put pressure on -- i

think it's questionable whether they should be living in their offices or not. the offices are there to conduct the business of the people and not to be a living expense and save yourself $10,000 or $20,000 a year. >> congressman steve cohen, good to have you on the program. thanks very much. >> you're welcome, chris. we were talking about obama care, how this all started, and it's really interesting that even conservatives on twitter were going crazy because paul ryan's op-ed this morning doesn't talk about health care at all. the word obama care does not appear in this op-ed and ted cruz's staff tweeted about it. there is one big word missing from this op-ed, it starts with an o and ends with bama care. >> that also shows that republicans tried for something they couldn't get. what's probably going to happen at the end of this, if there's any kind of obama care tweak as part of this deal, it's going to be pretty minor. republicans could have spent the last six months talking about the debt ceiling, if they had so chosen instead of obama care. that's actually a very popular position among the american people. big majorities say we think we

should have long-term spending cuts as part of raising the debt ceiling. they hijacked themselves into an obama care discussion. i think the ultimate solution will be more like paul royan an less like ted cruz. >> what's the ultimate solution going to look like? >> i think the ultimate solution will be some kind of negotiation going forward about budget deficits and the debt ceiling will get raised. but now, i thought for a while that we wouldn't hit the debt ceiling limit. now i think we might crash into it, but it will probably not go on too long. but i think eventually the democrats will negotiate on budget issues and there will be some kind of an agreement, whether -- no grand bargain but some agreement. >> do we hit the debt ceiling, do you think, matt? >> we might. it doesn't mean that we'll default. it means that you have to prioritize for a couple of days while the nation freaks out. >> well, and to be fair, the international economy freaks out. woe saw what happened the last time when we came up against it.

this isn't something that just resonates in our stock market and 401(k), this is something with global implications. >> ultimately we're not going to default and no one is worried or betting america is going to default. that's just not going to happen. >> i agree. i think we're not going to default. i'm not positive, but i think that we're not going to default. but i think it's important to keep your eye on the markets. i think we generally tend to pay too much attention to stock markets. this time i think you need to keep the eye on the markets because folks are worried and there's still a lot of time before we come up against that debt ceiling bump. >> bob, matt, thank you so much. an update on a story getting so much attention. an undercover new york city police detective now expected in court, charged in that motorcycle road rage incident. the detective wanted three days -- waited three days before telling anyone he was riding with those bikers during the high-speed chase that ended with the beating of the suv driver. now, investigators say he

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growing pressure on congress to do something to help families of soldiers killed in afghanistan left shocked and without death benefits because of the government shutdown. this mom, grieving the loss of her son, jeremiah collins. >> for the sacrifice that our kids are making at the age that they're making them, i don't understand how this can be a benefit that's withheld. i will not -- i won't ever understand it. >> that just one of the gut-wrenching impacts of this shutdown. heidi adams' husband was killed

while investigating a wildfire just weeks before she gave birth to their second child. she was in the process of applying for her husband's benefits when the shutdown happened. now she is jobless, no money or benefits, trying to raise her two children on her own. she joins me now. first of all, good morning, and let me say how sorry i am for your loss. >> good morning. thank you. >> how are you -- i mean it sounds like a trite question, but how are you? how are the children holding up? >> the kids are okay. you know, of course ayla is just a baby. tristan asks a lot about where his daddy is and it's hard explaining to a 4-year-old just about every day. you know, i'm doing all right. >> tell me what happened when you tried to apply for your husband's benefits. >> i had an appointment set up to start all the paperwork, and

the day before is when the government shut down. >> and so literally the offices weren't even open? >> literally, yeah. everything shut down. i can't even get on to any sites to download the paperwork because the sites are shut down. >> so what goes through your mind at that point? you're still grieving this loss. you have two young children, including, obviously, a baby. what is your financial situation and what went through your mind when you realized that this money was not going to be coming in potentially any time soon? >> it's scary not knowing how i'm going to provide for my kids. thankfully i've had a lot of support and donations from everybody with the fund-raisers and stuff so that's what i'm living off of right now. >> i know your family was trying to raise money to help you move back to maine where you grew up

and your family still lives there now. what would you say if you were standing in front of congress? what would you want these politicians to know? >> well, i don't understand how come they're not getting paid, how come it's us that have to suffer for their negligence. >> i'm curious about the conversations you have. as you've said, americans are great and we often rally around people, whether we know them or not and you've been getting some help with these fund-raisers and so on, but i can only imagine the conversations and the outrage that you're hearing from people about what's going on in congress. >> yeah. i mean i have a lot of friends that are government employees and they're hurting. they're really hurting too because a lot of them are -- are one-income families or both

employees are government employees and so they're not working right now. they're not getting paid. >> and we know a lot of attention, rightfully so, has been paid to the lives that were lost in afghanistan. but i don't want to let you go without an opportunity to tell us a little bit about token, about your husband. >> he was an amazing man. he was selfless, caring, generous. i mean he was -- he was all of the above and beyond. he was a great dad. >> well, heidi adams, wife of fallen firefighter token adams, thank you so much for sharing your story with us. everybody is hoping that this gets resolved very quickly. good luck and thank you. >> all right, thank you. later today, we could find out the identity of a woman found dead in an exterior stairwell of san francisco general hospital. this is a strange story. the family of a woman who went missing from that hospital two

weeks ago is wondering if it could be her. lynn spaulding disappeared from her bed just a few days after being admitted for an infection. her family said she was frail, she was on medication, maybe confused when she vanished. the hospital launched an investigation and said security cameras could not confirm she left the hospital. so the family wants to know why officials didn't search all those stairwells. ♪

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they're back at work this morning, but eight members of congress got arrested yesterday over immigration, all democrats. they were among 200 people

picked up by police during a massive immigration rally in washington. the arrests happened after they blocked a main street. the message pretty simple, it's time to pass an immigration bill. >> it is in keeping with our long history as a nation of immigrants that we want a vote in the house of representatives on comprehensive immigration reform, and we want it now. >> i want to bring in the a democratic strategist and joe watkins. hey, guys, good morning. >> good morning. >> how are you, chris. >> we know there was a lot of frustration about immigration, but now, i don't know, chris, doing this in the middle of this fight, you know, over the debt ceiling and of course the government shutdown, will it matter? >> i mean i think it's important to kind of keep up the pressure. i think a lot of people are

disappointed that they thought this was the one issue that could have surprisingly or miraculously brought both sides together. but i think some of the same divisions that you're seeing exploding over the debt ceiling, over the budget, will be the same divisions over immigration. there is a faction. tea party wing that's not going to budge on certain issues. as long as speaker boehner is trapped by that, i think immigration reform will also be trapped by that. so it's really -- now politically, i think this is a very dangerous game again for the republicans, because -- especially going into 2016. if there's no comprehensive immigration reform and they're seen as the ones blocking it, it will be pretty bad politically for them. >> the senate passed a comprehensive immigration bill back in june and it was 60 some, it was a strong majority. >> right. >> it was over 60 votes, passed citizenship for the 12 million here illegally in the u.s. the house judiciary and homeland security committees have cleared half a dozen bills, but none have been scheduled for a house vote.

why aren't republicans moving on this? >> well, we've been a little bit side tracked, sadly, by the challenges we face today. we want to of course get the government back open. >> well, that's nine days. what about the months before that. >> i know. even paul ryan had even said back this summer that he was expecting a vote on immigration reform in october. he told that to a town hall meeting in wisconsin over the summer. so republicans were clearly poised to support immigration reform this fall. and you've heard lots of republicans talk about it. house conference gop conference chairwoman kathy rogers said this is a priority for republicans as well as democrats to get this done. so there's a lot of will on the republican side to get it done. there were republicans at that rally as well who were also saying that yesterday at that rally so a lot of republicans stand arm in arm with democrats to get comprehensive immigration reform passed.

>> i guess where are we going to find some compromise? 68 votes in june on the senate side. it wasn't even close. >> remember, on the house side all that's needed to pass it are 218 votes. and right now given the number of democrats, i think 195, you only need 23 republicans to join with democrats to get a comprehensive reform done. >> joe, joe, what's needed to pass it is actually will. a will by speaker boehner to actually move it forward. here's the problem. what speaker boehner is going to do and what the republicans' agenda will be, they'll try to piecemeal this. they'll try to split this bill up into various components and try to do a death of a thousand cuts or to get what they want. here's the problem. unless you do comprehensive immigration reform and deal with the problem entirely, you're not going to solve it. this is where we end up going back around in circles and circles around these issues. it's really simple. >> it requires discussion. >> put the senate bill on the floor, give it a vote. >> right, right. well, the idea is of course to

talk. we want to make sure that the house and the senate can come to agreement. we know there are some republican that say will disagree and some democrats as well who will disagree with various portions of the legislation as it's currently presented, but that's where dialogue comes in, where discussion comes in between republicans and democrats is so important. >> i'm not sure discussion is what the republicans' motivation is when it comes to immigration reform. it seems that they have their own political agenda, and i get that. at the end of the day you're talking about millions of people and a significant problem that is affecting the country. it's good for the country to pass immigration reform. it's good economically, socially, morally. you would think that the republican would say see it as good politically. >> it is good politically. if you listen to mario diaz balart and other members of the house, they're saying we've been standing arm in arm with those who believe in the importance of immigration reform for years. this is not the first demonstration they have attended and they are willing and ready to get things moving. >> joe, do you know what today

is? >> today is -- >> today is chris kofinis' birthday. we went to magnolia bakery -- >> oh, great. there goes my diet. >> we got you a little happy birthday. he came here to be with us at jansing & co. >> see, now why didn't you have me in the studio so i could partake of all this good stuff. >> joe, can you tell speaker boehner to give me my birthday, which is a debt ceiling increase? that would be a really good, awesome gift. >> good luck with that. >> guys, great to have both of you on. happy birthday. >> thank you. let's check the news feed this morning. word this morning that libya approved the american raid inside their country last weekend that netted al qaeda's leader. according to "the new york times," the libyans gave the go ahead weeks, maybe even months ago but they were not told about the timing of the raid saturday. publicly, libyan officials have been highly critical of the

mission, calling it a kidnapping. a new lawsuit expected to be filed this morning accuses the united nations of infecting hundreds of thousands of people with cholera in haiti. the disease has sickened 650,000 people since the earthquake in 2010, killing more than 8,000. according to a scientific panel, a u.n. peacekeeper from nepal most likely brought the carl ra into haiti and it got into the water supply. the u.n. has not responded to those allegations. it's happened again, an intense and fast-moving fire at a bangladesh garment factory. this time nine people were killed, 50 others were hurt an these numbers could go up. safety issues at these factories have gotten a lot of international attention since a collapse killed 1100 people in april. dozens of retailers agreed on a plan in july to conduct inspections at factories that make their clothes. for the first time we're hearing from a point of the 9-year-old boy who managed to elude security and fly from

minneapolis to las vegas. the boy's father told nbc news by phone he thought his son was at a friend's house. >> i take full responsibility of my actions. i want my son to come home. >> a family spokesperson said his parents have struggled with the boy's behavior which included stealing a truck and sneaking into a water park. delta airlines is investigating how the boy got onto the plane. how is this for a story of love and devotion. they met in high school, rarely spent a minute apart since. they both died thursday in their sleep at their home just hours apart. the dunns leave behind 7 grandchildren, 14 great grandchildren. their kids say they couldn't stand being separated. forget the fillet and the cabernet, business travelers are eating on the cheap. mandy drury is here with what's

moving your money. a new survey is out. what is going on? >> reporter: it seems that the business people that we're talking about are opting for cheaper eats, even if it is on the boss's dime. obviously a lot of people are lucky enough to be armed with a corporate credit card. but it turns out aerd couccordi survey that you are far more likely to opt to mcdonald's or starbucks that are del frisco's. the survey found although the average per meal spending has risen, many business travelers are still opting for things like starbucks, mcdonald's at number two, subway and also panera bread but there are some regional differences in food spending, so, you know, in most cities you've got starbucks beating out the competition. but here in new york city, apparently business people are opting for seamless. that accounts for more than 7%.

>> you put in your zip code and it tells you how many restaurants in your neighborhood deliver. in my neighborhood it's like over 200. it's insanity. there's nothing cheap about this. delta is expanding this program. it's not really widely known but it's for elite travelers. >> right. a small but growing number of elite passengers are picked by delta airlines and get a vip escort from one flight to another in a porsche at atlanta hartsfield airport. the criteria, diamond medallion status. you have to have at least 125,000 frequent flier miles and you also have to have connecting flights that you may have trouble making. so apparently the delta elite services team reveal the flight details and pluck out the passengers that meet that criteria and unbeknownst to you, they show up at the plane with a porsche when you pull into the gate at atlanta. >> nice.

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the brain's response to speech. scientists measured how well people keep a beat to a metronome and compared that to data from participants' brain waves as they listened to people speaking. those with better rhythm had a more consistent brain response to speech sounds. we want to keep you posted on what's happening in washington. right now senator dick durbin on the senate floor talking about the government shutdown. harry reid wrapped up a minute ago. and then on the house side a hearing to talk about verterans who are suffering about what's going on. he just said without money in the budget he can't pay veterans benefits. let's listen in. >> negative impacts to our i.t. initiatives, to our national cemetery administration, to va staff offices and to va employees themselves, especially those who are veterans. while some have suggested a

series of many continuing resolutions and mini crs as an approach to meeting our fy 2014 budgetary responsibilities for funding the government, that's not a solution for veterans or for our nation. the budget request submitted by president obama nearly six months ago as a result of an extensive synchronized effort across agencies that produce a budget request that balanced priorities and risks. picking and choosing parts of government to fund would ignore two key drum beats that i've tried to deliver over the past four and a half years. the first is that very little of what we work on in va originates in va. much of that originates in another department. and then second, va's care for veterans and by that i mean health care, education, employment, insurance, housing for both the homeowner and the homeless does not occur without

significant coordination with dod, with housing and urban development, hhs, social security, treasury, education, labor, the irs, small business administration. and, frankly, it is this collaboration amongst and across the government that allows us to be effective. and i would add to that we have a fourth mission, i think, as the chairman -- >> we're going to keep our ear to this hearing which is about the very important topic of va benefits while the government is in shutdown. we'll let you know if anything develops there. meantime, for the first time in the powerful federal reserve's 100-year history, a woman could take control n just a few hours, president obama will announce he's picking janet yellen to take over for ben bernanke. if confirmed by the senate, yellen, the current vice chair of the fed, would become the world's most powerful economic policy maker, arguably one of the most powerful people in the world. she takes over -- she would take over at a time that's critical for the economy. still in recovery, further

strained by the government shutdown and looming debt ceiling deadline. let me bring in university of maryland economist peter moresi. always good to see you, peter, how are you? >> i'm good. >> wall street seems to be pretty happy about janet yellen's nomination. what's the word there? >> among economists we look at this nomination the way the lawyers would the chief justice of the supreme court and we're generally pleased. i mean some of us are conservative and she is clearly a liberal. she's more inclined for easy money, others of us are not. you're going to get one or the another. this is who the president wants. she's a woman with impeccable credentials and outstanding accomplishments, which is what the position requires. >> democrats had been pushing yellen and that sort of changed the president's whole thinking about this when larry summers was clearly not going to be confirmed. some republicans like tennessee's bob corker are raising concerns about her saying that she has dovish on

monetary policy. here he is. >> this ought to be an interesting hearing. i look forward to learning what her views are, but again i see nothing to change my view of where she is relative to monetary policy in the last two or three years. >> what are people like bob corker, what are they most worried about. >> janet yellen is inclined towards more quantitative easing. it isn't clear to me and many others that it does any good to continue printing so much money. certainly you don't want to just end it but it's time to start phasing it down. he's concerned it will continue and eventually will cause inflation. it already has. we haven't seen it in the consumer price index but we've seen it in housing and stocks. for the very reason wall street is happy, it's dangerous. we may be getting into another bubble. >> and i think that we can't overstate the historic nature of what this would mean if she was confirmed. no woman has held any of the top jobs in economic policy making, not the fed, not treasury

secretary or any central bank in the world. maybe russia now has someone. but the banking industry has traditionally been an old boys network, peter. will this pose any special challenges to her? >> no, i don't believe so. economists have always been very open to women. the very mathematical nature of modern economics has inhibited women because over time they weren't encouraged by other women. but i studied with women back in the '60s. one of the greatest economists of my father's generation was joan robinson, which we all admired for her work and we all read and i assign to my students. so we're not uncomfortable. despite what people might think about us being a high bound and conservative profession, most of us when it comes to social issues are very libertarian. we feel that people should do what they want to do. janet yellen has chosen to be an economist. with her mind, it makes her a great economist. >> peter, thank you so much. >> take care. >> we'll be right back.

know anyone who works too much? maybe you? well, check out these stats. nearly 40% of employees log offsite hours, nine out of ten have cell phones, more than half are smartphones, and the average person checks their phone every 15 minutes. cosmopolitan calls it the new nine to five, working and being on call 24/7. we're joined by joanna coles and katherine menshu, founder and ceo of the muse.com. good to see both of you. this article looks particularly at women. there's no doubt technology has transformed the workplace, but are we doing it to ourselves or is it technology? >> well, i think it's a combination. this is a part of the section edit boy sheryl sandburg so it

enables our bosses to reach us wherever we are, and sometimes that's in bed at night, last thing before we go to sleep, same thing first thick in the morning so it's important that i think we set boundaries an also people are also very nervous. the job market is competitive, the economy is uncertain and so people want to show and demonstrate that they're always in touch and it's not always the best thing for your life. >> katherine, you think people can set boundaries and sheryl sandburg has. i've talked to a lot of women about her book and they said, of course she can choose to go home at 6:00 and pick up work later. i can't. >> it's a really tricky question and part of it goes down to communication. a lot of times your boss doesn't necessarily know what it is that you're doing. we talked about this in the article. your boss can't read your mind. so you need to go in with a list and say these are my priorities. these are the things i'm doing

to meet those priorities and here are a lot of other things taking time on my plate, can we reshuffle my workload. it's been interesting the number of conversations i had with women who thought they had no choice until they scheduled one of these honest conversations and found out -- >> joanna, honestly, if someone came to you with that list -- >> i don't e-mail people on the weekend and i also make it clear if i do i don't expect them to e-mail me back. >> really? >> absolutely. and i always put at the top for monday discussion so they know that i don't expect it back. and i think kathryn is right, it's important to set your own boundaries and i think you say this in the piece. on tuesday evening i'm committed between 5:00 and 8:00 and am happy to take calls after that. is it a competitive environment? absolutely. do you want to appear on the ball? of course. but you also want time for the gym, you want time for your family, you want time for your friends and that also makes you a better, more rounded person in the workforce, which is important. >> i really think to your point it's about balance.

it's about saying i want to do a great job. i'm committed to this company. but i also take some time for myself and making sure that if you are going to approach your boss or are thinking about the issue, it's not a complaint, it's not just proposing a problem, but coming in with a solution and saying i want to be here for you, i want to do great work, but i also want to be able to do these things. and again, we do a lot of e-mailing nights and weekends, but we always make sure to tell people just because i send you a note doesn't mean i expect a response until working hours and really setting expectations. >> we could talk about this for the hour. thank you both. >> we did. >> thanks for coming in. that's going to wrap up this hour of "jansing & co." thomas roberts is up next. i'll see you back here tomorrow.

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