thanks for disrupts your sunday afternoon. i'm karen finney. let's make a deal. it's not just a tv game show anywhere. >> wish there was better news to tell you. congress and president obama are still crawling to the finish line. >> it's not clear to me how this ends because there is such disarray. >> i didn't sign up for this type of duty. i didn't sign up for public service to put undue pain on people. >> we can negotiate and talk as we want to after we reopen the government. >> compromise is in the eyes of the beholder. >> we're hurting kids. we're hurting families. >> here's what i'm worried about. a deal coming out of the senate that a majority of republicans can't vote for in the house. >> the deal that mitch mcconnell

and john boehner would take, they can't sell. >> if boehner insists on doing this with most of his caucus, i'm not sure the tea party is capable of reopening government. >> has your strategy backfired big time? >> october 17th is a date that will not have a major impact. >> i would not be at all surprised to see us technically have a huge problem wednesday and thursday. >> u.s. bond markets are closed tomorrow for columbus day. but stock markets are open. so buckle your seat belt. >> okay, people. deal or no deal? time is running out before the government has no more money left to pay off its debts. and congress has just four days to avert a catastrophic default by raising the nation's debt limit. you know what? while you're at it, guys, on capitol hill, you could just reopen the government, too. that would be awesome. do we have a deal?

well, here's how republican senator bob corker described the situation this morning. >> well, there was some movement a couple days ago. i think things are not moving now. i think we're in a status quo. i do think we will see our way through this. but the last 24 hours have not been good. >> talks on a bipartisan plan apparently broke down over the length of the debt limit increase and whether to lock in additional sequester cuts that are set to start in the beginning of next year. so now it's up to senate leaders harry reid and mitch mcconnell to work out a compromise. they spoke on the phone today and the call was described as cordial but inconclusive. got to love that senate talk. as the senate continues its weekend session, and meanwhile where is all the house in all this? let's not forget we would not be in this mess if john boehner hadn't changed the rules to keep the house from voting on the senate's clean cr. also, we wouldn't have needed a cr in the first place if ted cruz hadn't convinced the house not to go to conference on the

budget. now, if all the action now in the upper chamber, the question remains. even if the senate can make a deal, will it ever be enough to get through the house? joining me now from capitol hill, senator barbara boxer, democrat from my home state of california. hello, senator. >> hi, karen. >> so a lot of back and forth today. give us your sense of where you think we are. >> well, i spoke to leader reid earlier. and he informed me there's a lot of talking going on. i'm a little bit more optimistic than i was before. what i think is happening is senator reid has a couple of negotiators out there. and senator mcconnell has a couple of negotiators out there. they have staff. and, you know, i feel we may well have something, you know, late tonight. now, i could be wrong on this. and i don't know what the house will do. i can't predict that. but i'm going to say what i've said throughout this manmade

crisis, if i can. >> sure. >> a completely self-inflicted wound. ridiculous. i've said this from the start. the american people, their opinion on what's happening here is going to be critical. and i don't like to see the republican party take a hit like they've taken because, frankly, it's a sad moment. but they are the ones that refuse to open the government. yesterday in the senate, they refused to even debate raising the debt ceiling so we could pay our bills. and, you know, i know the media loves to say, oh, this one is bad and that one is bad. honestly, i am saying to you that there is no reason why we are in this. it's like -- just imagine the republicans in the congress having a brick and throwing it at america and shutting down the government. and they've got another brick to throw, which is default. that's what's happening. >> you know, senator, i'm going to disagree with you slightly in

that john boehner changed the rules kind of in the dead of night to make sure that only he or eric cantor could bring whatever -- a careen cr that could get passed by the senate up on the floor of the house. it's pretty clear exactly whose fault it is. it's also very clear where we really need to be when these guys keep spinning about, ryou know, long term con kwenss. why is it the government isn't open and why aren't we in conference committee talking about the budget? that's what should be happening here. >> of course. the thing is this is a self-inflicted crisis. that's the bad news. the good news is they could end it in five minutes. we sent over a very clean continuing resolution. it had no extraneous things on it. we said, get this done. then we'll negotiate about everything. by the way, have you heard anything about the affordable care act lately? not really. they started off saying, and you could get those quotes by john boehner, the american people don't want obama care.

and they don't want the government to shut down. so we explained to him, he can't stop the affordable care act because it has a different stream of funding. it was passed four years ago. it was upheld by the court. and this president, it is his signature initiative. so now they've stopped talking about it. but they keep the government shut down. >> right. >> this is the government of the people. what right do they have to do this? there's a lot of pain and suffering. the police officers here who keep us all safe, they're asking me, senator, i'm not going to get my paycheck. what am i going to do? how am i going to feed my family? this isn't some game. this is real life. and they are hurting hundreds of thousands of families. and thousands of businesses. communities. i don't know if you saw the letter, the most amazing, unprecedented letter from labor, the chamber of commerce and the nonprofit sector. literally demanding that we open up the government.

and we raise the debt ceiling. and we do it yesterday. >> right. >> that's what we should do. >> you know, actually, to that point, let's talk about sort of the business community and wall street and kind of, i mean, certainly if going into tonight it seems as though there is a chance for a compromise, i expect that will soothe the markets as they open tomorrow. at the same time, consumer confidence is quite an issue. i just want to play a little something for you on that. and get your reaction. >> okay. >> members swear an oath to protect and defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. what they're doing by the shutdown, by this threat on the debt limit, is weakening america and sending a message to the world that the united states can't govern. >> i mean, you know, you also had christine lagarde, head of the world bank this morning, saying -- or the imf, saying this is going to be catastrophic. there really are bigger, broader

consequences. they go from main street to people that we know to the police officer you're talking about to literally the global economy. >> of course. and we've been trying to say that. you know, ronald reagan, who was the hero of the republican party and many democrats who voted for ronald reagan, ronald reagan said, even the thought of a default is catastrophic. and we have his quote. we show it on the floor every now and then. i mean, they named an airport after ronald reagan. why don't they just listen to what he's saying here. when he was president, i was here for a lot of that time. believe it or not. and we raised the debt ceiling 18 times. 18 times. so everybody, what leon panetta said is right on. but it's nothing new. if you read the constitution, it basically says that the debts of america shall not be questioned. now, that's in the constitution. what these folks are doing, this

republican shutdown, is unprecedented. and then on top of it, threatening the possibility of a default. it's shocking. and i hope -- as i said before, karen, the way it's going to stop is if the polls keep on saying, no, no, no. you've got to do your job. that job is pay your bills. open up the government. and then negotiate about everything and anything. >> well, senator boxer, i am with you on that one. i am also with you that this is a manufactured crisis. thank you, john boehner. thank you, senator boxer for joining me. i appreciate your time. >> thanks, karen. all right. joining me now to kind of break down the politics, lee fong, reporter for the nation. mark tapska, executive editor of the washington examiner. bloomberg news paula dwire. i want to start with you, marking with get your reaction to what senator boxer was saying. it sounds like there's been some back and forth. there's cordial conversation

happening. unclear if that's really going to have any meaning in the end. >> i have to say, first of all, karen, that i was amazed to hear senator boxer's solicitous concern for the republican party. i'm sure john boehner will be very glad to hear that. we heard on saturday morning, it seemed like a deal was coming. that everybody was finally sitting down and talking. and that there was going to be something good happening this weekend. and then president obama, again, said no. it seems to me that somebody should explain to the president and to harry reid that the word "compromise" is not spelled n-o. >> hold on, mark, on that. what was presented to the president was not a compromise. what was presented was kind of just a rehashing of what they've been talking about all along. and i think it does, you know, the question is, why not just open the government, then? i mean, it would be easy to do. the president has said all along he is willing to have a

conversation. but -- so why hold the debt limit and the government hostage? i mean, this president has said he would sit down and talk. it's republicans who don't want to sit down and talk for conference committee on an actual budget. >> karen, i'm sure you're going to be amazed to know this. but i don't agree with your point there. and here's why. number one, the government, 83%, thereabouts, has never closed. it's still open. the government fundamentally is still functioning. number two, all of the talk that we hear from everybody about the consequences of the shutdown, debt ceiling default, all of these things, for the most part the consequences are terrible. they would not be good for the united states. but the responsibility for that, if it happens, applies equally to both sides if they don't reach a deal. it will apply as much to president obama, who has said no to 13 republican proposals for compromise, and it will apply to

the republicans if they reject whatever, assuming obama or harry reid offers some proposal, if they reject it. >> all right. >> it applies to everybody. >> let's be clear. this is a -- from my opinion, this is a republican manufactured crisis. and i think the president rightfully has said, we're not going to negotiate onset ld l s law. that's not a game we're going to play in this country. lee, i want to take it to you. one of the things we heard today and sort of a talking point was this question about sequester levels. and we know that there is about 967 billion additional cuts that are going to come into place in january. the house has been talking about this all along. now the senate is actually also talking about it. i think my understanding of what they're talking about is can we have some flexibility even if we keep the numbers the same? what i find interesting, though, is that the republicans are suggesting that now this is the senate moving the goal posts.

but this actual issue has been on the table for weeks. >> oh, it's been on the table for months now. you know, this conversation has been moved so far to the right republicans have made demand after demand after demand. a couple days ago they were asking for quick approval of the keystone xl to be added on to this. the goal posts have shifted every day. to have a true compromise, you have to have both parties willing to play ball. but republicans have been unwilling to get rid of some of these very painful sequester cuts. of course, the democrats have made pretty modest demands. there's been no talk about, you know, getting rid of these oil subsidies or adding more revenue by taxing wealthy individuals or corporations. they're asking for very modest demands, the democrats, i'm saying. republicans keep moving the goal posts. >> you know, i want to, paula, ask you a question. because the market impact, i think, cannot be understated. i just have a little something i want to play for you. then i want to talk about it on the other side.

>> the debt ceiling is not the problem, bob. it's the fact they've been spending about a trillion dollars more that they're taking in. the rewrality is october 17th ia date that will not have a major impact. >> if there is that degree of disruption, that lack of certainty, that lack of trust in the u.s. signature, it would mean massive disruption the world over. and we would be at risk of tipping yet again into recession. >> now, paula, so he sort of represents these sort of debt deniers. i think when you have someone of christine lagarde's status saying, yes, this will have a major global impact. and we know from the last time in 2011 when we came even just up to the brink of this it cost millions of dollars in our economy. it cost us our rating because of a lack of confidence. what do you see happening this week with regard to the markets,

in terms of their reaction? >> well, so far the market reaction has been really minuscule. we saw on friday when the market thought there was a deal, that the market rose almost 2% across the board. but it hasn't yet done the kind of reaction that we saw in 2011 and also that we saw after the t.a.r.p. vote when it first was voted down where the market dropped 800 points, 1,000 points. that's what could be the other shoe to drop this week. now, the bond market is closed tomorrow. the stock market is open. so i don't expect this to happen tomorrow. i do expect it to happen, though, on tuesday or wednesday or thursday if we still don't have a deal. i think -- i think the market is really starting to wake up to this. they had been saying wake us up when this is over. because they really did expect a deal by now. now that it's getting down to the last three, four days, the stock market and the bond market together are starting to get

very nervous. >> well, we're actually hearing reports that some on wall street have war rooms that they're preparing because they're -- out of concern for what's going to happen and sort of trying to manage the chaos. because it's such an unknown at this point. >> well, if we come to thursday and the market is about to close and there still isn't a deal, you can -- you can just imagine the hellacious reaction on friday morning. there are war rooms. you have fund managers that have a fiduciary duty to protect investors. they're going to have to get them out of treasury bonds. if that happens really all hell breaks loose. really treasury bonds are not only the benchmark for a lot of bonds and for interest rates that mortgages are tied to and that our -- based on the loans to other banks and hedge funds are tied to, but it also is the -- the safe haven around the world. >> right. >> and it is going to mean the recovery stalls here. it could mean another global

recession as christine lagarde said. it could also mean our cost of borrowing goes up for many years to come. >> lee, final question to you. the other piece of this, obviously, people are also starting to realize there will be a real impact on their 401(k)s if this happens. and what we're seeing kind of -- i think the way it'll play out this week, obviously we call this segment "the forecast." just kind of looking ahead to this week, in terms of the options on the table for the democrats, it seems like question number one is, even if the senate folks can agree on something, can they get an agreement from the tea partyiers in the house? also, though, you have progressives really starting to, i think, put more pressure on senator reid to consider the quote, unquote, nuclear option as a way to try to get a clean cr out of the senate and back over to the house. >> that's right. i think democrats have been pretty unified on this. just on friday house democrats started circulating a discharge petition that would, on the government shutdown, move that ball forward if they can get some of the moderate republicans to sign on. so far none of them have.

i think the biggest variable in all of these debates is the big -- excuse me. the big business community. so far they've been a lot of bark and no bite. they've sent these angry letters. they've called the white house. they've called congressional leaders. but as you know when wall street and big business wants to pressure capitol hill, they're going to a district. they will buy advertisements. they'll pay for advocacy. after citizens united they're freed up to do a lot of this stuff. >> right. >> so far they haven't. right now they've just entered into negotiations. the question is, will the u.s. chamber, will the national association of manufacturers, will they kind of back away from the republican parties and start putting political pressure. >> all right. thank you to lee, mark and paula. appreciate your time. >> thank you. next, nearly 4 million veterans, their families and survivors are already being impacted by the shutdown. millions more could lose the benefits they've earned. one group of veterans is fighting to make sure we keep our promise. >> we made a deal when we signed

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i think our readiness has been badly damaged. we've got 12 combat squadrons that have been grounded. half of the air force is not combat ready. we've got ships that are not being deployed. we've got training rotations that have been canceled.

we've got 800,000 federal employees that have been furloughed under sequester. and that are now taking a hit on the shutdown. all of this is impacting on our readiness and our ability to be able to handle a major crisis outside of afghanistan. >> that was former secretary of defense leon panetta speaking this morning on "meet the press." the impact of the shutdown is being felt all across our military. national guard personnel are being furloughed and base facilities are being closed. in places like oregon where the national guard can't conduct monthly training exercises, one local commander says the shutdown is, quote, this is crushing. the partisan back and forth on capitol hill has been called an epic battle by house speaker john boehner. which prompted this response from a group of veterans. >> americans and american veterans like me depend upon the entire government being open. i served this nation with honor. today i can't say the same about most republicans in congress. >> it's no wonder veterans are

worried. just last week v.a. secretary eric shinzeki warned as many as 8.3 million vets could go without disability checks if the shutdown goes much longer. at this moment 56 regional v.a. offices are closed. some 7,800 v.a. workers have been furloughed. those workers directly impact some 5.1 million veterans, military families and survivors who, again, rely on a range of v.a. services. one of the things i think that's important to note is unlike the most recent shutdown in '95 and '96 this one is happening during an act of wartime. some 60,000 americans are serving in afghanistan right now alongside nato forces. let's not forget that since the 2001 u.s.-led invasion, more than 2,200 american service members have been killed in afghanistan. the most just recent today near the pakistan border. that means the men and women who are fighting on the front lines are there worrying about whether

the benefits they were promised will be there wh they get home. joining me now, john saltz, chairman of votevets.org. the group behind the ad we just showed a moment ago. goldie taylor is an msnbc contributor and veteran herself. john, i want to start with you. obviously there was the up roar over the denial of the death benefits. that got resolved. which was, you know, obviously a good thing. but it's obviously sparked some activity among your folks. what are you hearing from veterans? >> well, i don't actually know where to start. if you're a veteran right now and you're service connected and you've been wounded in iraq, afghanistan or vietnam for that matter in a couple weeks you're not going to get your disability check. if you're a college student under the new gi bill you also in several weeks are going to not get your check. if you're a member of the guard and reserve and you rely on that income or if we have a natural disaster and we need -- we were

only created by the federal government and we can only be -- receive benefits from the federal government. we're affected by every agency out there. >> goldie, there are more than 22 million veterans in this country. over 8.5 million veterans depend on the v.a. for their health care. the shutdown is threatening to cut off $6 billion in monthly checkins to over 5 million veterans. why veterans, the people who put their lives on the line for our country being used as a bargaining chip in this debate being used as a chip is really a mystery to me. >> when we sign an enlistment contract, it isn't just a physical contract. it is a social contract. it's a moral contract. we're going to show up to work every day and do this job to the absolute best of our ability and training. at the end of the day you're going to be there for us when we come home with broken bodies.

when we come home with broken minds. when we don't come home at all, you're going to be here for our families. that contract is being broken right thousanow. i find that absolutely shameful that we can't figure out a way to put politics aside, gop, and put military families first. i mean, last week we had a debacle where bereavement benefits weren't being paid after some five service members who died on the front line. i think that is one of the most unfortunate outcomes. but we can end this, karen. we can end this tonight. we can end this monday morning. by simply passing a clean cr. we can debate about entitlements. we can debate about obama care which i think, by the way, is the law of the land. >> also will benefit some of our veteran, by the way. >> absolutely. we can debate about a whole host of fiscal issues this country has to come to terms with. what we cannot do is hold veterans hostage to our political questions. >> you know, john, obviously the impact of the debate around the

world is something we've been hearing a lot about. the markets and what have you. the political bickering, though, in washington, even grabbed the attention of the taliban this week. they said in a statement, yes, this is the taliban. quote, the american people should realize that their politicians play with their destinies as well as the destinies of other oppressed nations for the sake of their personal vested interests. you know, john, when i read that it made me angry because i thought of the people that i know who are serving on the front lines. and i thought, you know what? that is not what they should have to be dealing with right now. nor should they be having to worry about what's going on with benefits back home with their families or when they get out of the military. i mean, you've been there. what would you feel like if you were still in afghanistan or iraq and this situation was unfolding back home? >> you know, i was actually in iraq in 2011. so there was an issue there about whether or not we were going to get paid. i think it was a situation where one week, you know, we had to work for free for one week and we'd get it a week later.

it kind of hurts, right? you're out there putting your life on the line. you have the smallest percentage ever in the history of our country serving in a time of war, about 1% of the population. it's been a long drum beat to this point. whether it was the 2011 issues when i was there in regards to the budget issues and the debt ceiling. and then we had a sequestration. a lot of these -- there was an issue earlier in the year about military kids missing the first five days of school this year. we've been tossed around like a political chip for a very long time. that's why we struck back so hard with the ad from the world war ii veteran says i've never seen this stuff in my lifetime. some stuff has to be above reproach. the federal government and using the federal government as some type of bargaining chip, there's real effects on people on active duty who could get their deployment extended because we're not training people to take them over. your benefits of a veteran when they return home. these aren't issues we should be using as a bargaining chip. >> two days before he was killed in afghanistan one of the service members whose death

benefits got caught up in this whole thing wrote this on his facebook page. i'll read it to you. it says, quote, jesus! make up your minds. i will protect the being of my country with my life but do not go f'ing with the men and women that protect your sorry asses. you know, that's pretty blunt. >> simplified. yeah. absolutely. i mean, that really sort of spells it out. you know, i've always said freedom has a different taste for the protected than those who do the serving. at the end of the day, there are young men and women, 18, 19, 20 years old who are out there putting their lives in harm's way for us every day. and some of them did it as a last resort. some of them grew up with it and did it by choice. but this isn't a draft. this is a volunteer operation. to find out my son and daughter, i have children this age who are putting their lives on the line every day. they can't count on their government to be there? i think that is probably one of the most shameful outcomes i've seen in this. the truth of the matter is,

there are a lot of people in and out of service who have been impacted by this. in very detrimental ways. we've got to come together as a nation and demand our congress do us better. >> i agree. i would also like to see us come together as a nation and while i love that people got sort of up in arms last week over the death benefits, i think we need to be up in arms that people are still dying in afghanistan. john soltz and goldie taylor, thank you so much for your time. and for your service to this country. coming up, good news as california leads the way in women's rights. that's coming ahead. eumatoid ar, and you're talking to your rheumatologist about trying or adding a biologic. this is humira, adalimumab. this is humira working to help relieve my pain. this is humira helping me through the twists and turns. this is humira helping to protect my joints from further damage. doctors have been prescribing humira for over ten years. humira works by targeting and helping to block a specific source of inflammation

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ohio's restrictive anti-choice measures aimed at making it harder for women. in a move that some say violated state rules, the governor attached laws -- the laws went into effect on september 30th. with this lawsuit, coverage case ij will have to explain how taking funds away from rape crisis centers that discuss abortion as an option when counseling rape victims has anything to do with the fiscal policy of the state. joining me now, ohio state senator, nina turner. i will do my disclaimer i am on the board of naral, pro-choice america. thank to you both for being here. jess, i want to start with you quickly and talk about kra r californ california. nice to have good news to talk about in a state that's got it right and doing the right thing. >> california has long been a leader in terms of promoting women. they have two women senators which was the first in the country. they've really been at the

forefront of expanding women's rights for a long time. what's sad about your opening in california and ohio is that your rights as an american woman shouldn't depend on your zip code. such an important point and so critical for your viewers in los angeles or new york city to understand their sisters in ohio or north dakota may not have the same freedoms that they do. that's why it's so critical that we support candidates who are going to work on behalf of women. even in the states where we don't live. i'd like to give it all up to nina turner. because she's running for secretary of state in ohio and she's absolutely fantastic. >> thank you, jess. >> women all over the country should be looking for leaders like her. even in the states where they don't necessarily live. >> nina, to that point, if you look at what california did, part of what is so important, obviously, expanding the number of health care professionals who can perform abortion. studies have shown there's no change or no impact on patient care when you do so. it means actually more people have access.

that's a good thing. also kind of getting rid of those trap laws which i know you're dealing with in ohio that actually, you know, impose all kinds of crazy regulations that basically have nothing to do with patient care and everything to do with trying to get the clinics to close down. how do you think this battle is going to shake out in ohio? >> well, i'm hoping that the courts will side on behalf of women. and jess is absolutely right. this is really about personal liberty and freedom. something that the gop proclaims that it cares about. except that liberty and freedom stops at the wombs of women. women do not need legislative daddies. they do not need executive daddies. >> right? >> they are more than capable of making their own decisions. and really what this does, though, it takes away high quality access, though, to health care. >> that's right. >> i don't want that to be lost. because roe v. wade was more than about abortion. it was about women having choice. choice extends to considering

having an abortion. considering adoption. or considering bringing a baby to term. if these same gop members put as much emphasis on making sure that the children who are birthed into this world get a high quality education, or making sure that oh, my god, we should teach them about sex education in school, make sure women have access to high quality contraceptives, the world would be a much better place. making sure that we have laws in place that honor an adoptive family, a birth mother and the child. so choice, you know, people in this country have to understand this. that they will know the free by the fruit th -- tree by the fruit that it bears. gop fruit is rotten to the core. >> increasingly it feels like shame is a weapon that is used against women. we have heard time and time again, you know, women who live in places where protesters where there's not much of a boundary, i mean, that's part of what they

have to endure and get through just to get to the clinic. and then certainly some of these other laws in terms of the advice that is given to women. again, it all seems to be based on shaming women for exercising a right that they have. if you look at the supreme court, one of the places that the supreme court took up this week specifically looking at clinic buffer laws, one of the big concerns, jess, that i have about this and i'm nervous about how the court is going to rule, on the one hand they have a right to free speech. but you don't have a right to harass people, harass women. these buffers actually give some protection to women. but also i don't want to see us go back to the kind of violence that we saw in the '90s when we didn't have these kinds of laws. >> it's true. and that's certainly a really -- we're all sort of on pins and needles waiting to see what the court's going to do there. it's really important. of course, it was martha coakley who was on the side of women on that case.

it is so important that we put women in positions of leadership. so we have that firewall. so it's not dependent on where you live or who happens to sit on the supreme court. we have advocates in every state at every level. and the sad thing is, you're totally right about the shame. so much of what the right has done on this issue is just rooted in a profound disrespect and mistrust of women. >> yep. >> i think that women understand that. we saw them come out in 2012 after they almost shut down the government over planned parenthood and all of the disgusting things that got said about sandra fluke, et cetera. women turned out in record numbers for democrats. we saw historic margins. they doubled down. >> i think with this case it also, for women, it is literally we're talking about physical safety for yourself, for the people who work at these clinics. thank you so much to senator nina turner. good luck with your race. and jess mcintosh. >> thank you. when we come back, he may be the one man that members of congress are actually listening to. as the message of his prayers sink in. he's our disrupter of the week.

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chaplains for u.s. senate usually avoid politics in opening and closing prayers. messages tend to remain fairly general. a lot of people were caught by surprise when the current chaplain, retired rear admiral barry black began to get very specific, indeed. over the last couple of weeks, scolding senators over the shutdown day after day. and he was at it again this afternoon. >> help our lawmakers turn this impasse into a bypass. give our lawmakers the wisdom to trust you and each other. >> you have to push a senate chaplain pretty far before they're going to wade into politics. so what is it that makes dr. black keep speaking up?

for one thing, from what he told fox news this morning, he thinks it actually may be working. >> i think any objective observer would see a certain insanity in some of the things that have happened during this government shutdown. i've had senators who've told me that i'm thinking differently about the way i'm voting because of something you said. >> amen to that. ending the shutdown turns out to be a pretty universal message. dr. black keeps bringing that message right to the senate floor. and so for that, he is our disrupter of the week. coming up, lawmakers actually did agree on something this week. and it may help a father bring his children home. we went out and asked people a simple question: how old is the oldest person you've known? we gave people a sticker and had them show us. we learned a lot of us have known someone who's lived well into their 90s. and that's a great thing. but even though we're living longer, one thing that hasn't changed much is the official retirement age.

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i speak today in support of this bill. in particular on behalf of one of my constituents, collin bower. a devoted father from newton,

massachusetts, who has tirelessly sought the return of his two abducted children from egypt. mr. bower has worked to bring his children, norah and ramsey, home from the united states since his mother -- excuse me. since their mother unexpectedly took them out of school in 2009, boarded a plane just hours later with tickets paid in cash, never to return. >> that was congressman joe kennedy iii on the gut wrenching story of one of his constituents, collin bower. despite the government shutdown, something actually did get done this week in congress. the house foreign affairs committee unanimously passed a law aiming to bring children like bower's home. while it's passed the house, due to the shutdown, its fate, of course, remains uncertain. believe it or not, every year there are more than 1,000 american families torn apart by one parent kidnapping their own child and fleeing the country. in august 2009, as kennedy described, collin bower was the sole legal custodian of his two sons when his ex-wife smuggled them to egypt with false egyptian passports aboard an

egypt air flight. the last time bower saw or heard from his sons was january 2012. and the recent political turmoil in egypt has only complicated matters. joining me now from newton, massachusetts, collin bower. thank you so much for your time today. >> thank you, karen. >> tell me -- tell us a little bit about -- i think some may be familiar with your story. but tell us the basics, again, just to refresh us. >> sure. the divorce was a rather tumultuous divorce. and it took place between 2007-2009 in the boston courts. the result of which was that i was -- received sole legal custody of both nort and ramsey. eight months later my ex-wife kidnapped them to egypt. the bottom line is this is not a custody case. this is a clear kidnapping. the fbi has arrest warrants out for my wife, ex-wife, and interpol has a red notice out

for her arrest as well. >> that's a real point of distinction for people to understand. it's not a custody battle. it is a kidnapping case. as you said, you had full custody. i guess one thing i'm curious about, because i think it's something when people hear about a story like this, you wouldn't necessarily connect. but i think it's important. the turmoil that we've been seeing in egypt and the change of government, how has that impacted your efforts to get your sons back? >> you know, ironically it was easier when president mubarak was in power. because at least we knew then who we were going to be dealing with on a daily basis. the transition has been incredibly difficult from the perspective of actually having a counterpart over there that secretary kerry can talk to or secretary clinton could talk to or any number of different congressional members. so it's been very difficult to get any traction. because there's been rather a bit of musical chairs going on amongst the different ministries over there. it's been very frustrating. it's been -- it's been impossible to get court orders enforced. it's been impossible to get any -- any kind of communication whatsoever on a consistent

basis. >> colin, let's talk a little about this new legislation. obviously it's passed the house. i am heartbroken for you that congress is as dysfunctional as it is. it seems like the kind of thing congress normally should agree on. and it would, as i understand it, give the secretary of state and the president kind of some additi additional tools to be able to help you get your kids back. tell us a little bit about it. >> yeah, it does. it's a bipartisan bill. representative smith from new jersey has been working with david goldman for a number of years. david and a number of other left behind parents to get this bill passed and out of committee. representative kennedy, who you just heard from, has been a strong proponent. before him, barney frank and the rest of the massachusetts contingent. this is truly a bipartisan effort to take what is really about american children and the safety of american children, which is -- which is absolutely a bipartisan issue. and to put it in front of the state department and to put it in front of the president of the united states and to say, let's

bypass the politics. let's protect our kids. here's a mechanism to do it. >> colin -- >> it's something that's certainly timely. >> thank you so much, colin bower. that does it for me. thanks for joining us. we'll see you right back here next saturday. that's why you take charge of your future. your retirement. ♪ ameriprise advisors can help you like they've helped millions of others. listening, planning, working one on one. to help you retire your way... with confidence. that's what ameriprise financial does. that's what they can do with you. ameriprise financial. more within reach.

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