keeping the caucus together. >> we've been unified. i'm really proud. >> 800,000 americans are going to go back to work if everything goes right tonight. that's "the ed show." thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, breaking news. any moment now the senate will hold a vote. a bill is being put up to end the government shutdown and avoid default. it's the beginning of a surrender by the republican party. a victory for president obama and for the american people. the bill is on track to pass the senate and make its way to the house late tonight where it is expected to pass. today speaker john boehner gave a little fist bump as he whizzed by reporters. but in a radio report earlier

today he said the gop has lost. >> we fought the good fight. we just didn't win. we fought the good fight. there's just no reason for our members to vote no today. >> tonight's bill funds the government through mid january. it raises the debt limit through the beginning of february. creates a bipartisan budget group, and it sets income verification for insurance subsidies. but there are no major concessions on obama care. in other words, republicans got nothing. they shut down the government for 16 days, kept 800,000 people from their jobs and drove us to the brink of default for nothing. this was doomed from the start. and republicans finally understand that. >> it's one of the more shameful chapters that i have seen in the years that i have spent here in the senate.

>> shutting down the government was not a smart strategy. >> this was a terrible mistake. >> shameful, terrible, not smart. today, even rush limbaugh admitted this went horribly wrong. >> i was trying to think earlier today if ever in my life i could remember any political, a major, any major political party being so irrelevant. i have never seen it. what they've ended up doing is creating one of the greatest political disasters i've ever seen in my lifetime. >> you can see the incredible shrinking gop in the polls. over the last year, the number of americans with positive views of the gop has gotten smaller and smaller and smaller. the gop's approval rating has

now shrunk being to just 24%. the lowest on record. and today the ringleader of this whole circus, senator ted cruz threw in the towel. >> i have no objections to this timing of this vote. there's nothing to be gained from delaying this vote one day or two days. >> there was nothing to be gained from any of this. republicans have lost. but it's a shame that the american people had to suffer for them to realize. ginning me now is senator bernie sanders of vermont. senator, good evening. >> good to be with you all. >> as we wait this morning on the floor, it never had to get to this point, did it, senator? >> no, it truly didn't. and what the american people have witnessed is right wing extremism in action. they lost the election, but what they have said is yes, we lost the election, we lost seats in the senate, we lost seats in the

house. but we want to get our way in any case. we want to deny 20 million americans access to health insurance that they desperately need. so we're going to whole the entire government hostage, throw people out of work, deny services to tens of millions of americans. should this have happened? of course it shouldn't. the american people can now understand how dangerous this tea party right wing extremism is. >> they've failed in their strategy. >> they sure did, but they lost a major political victory, but let me tell you something that a lot of people don't know. the budget that will be past tonight -- and i will vote for it, because i don't see any alternative, it is a very bad bum et. it is a sequestration budget which will mean continued cuts in head start, in nutrition programs in meals on wheels, in

education. and what we have got to do as part of this budget negotiation is to make sure that we do not, for the rest of the year, balance the budget on the backs of the elderly, the children. >> absolutely. >> working families, the sick, the wealthiest people in this country are going to have to fess up, and we need the american people to support that position. >> absolutely. and that's a fair point, and i'm with you on that. but as of right now, obama care is basically in tact, is that not correct. >> that is absolutely right. here's how it started. they say the reason we're holding the government hostage and the reason we're threatening not to pay the shake's bill the is just because obama care is so terrible. that was last week. then they forget about that. the reason we're not paying our bills and holding the government hostage is we want to cut social security and medicaid. and now we are where we are today.

the bottom line in my view is that i hope people understand that their opposition to obama care is really just the tip of the iceberg. >> right. >> if you look at what these guys, the koch brothers and what these guys really believe, they want to end sooner or later, social security, medicaid, eadvice rate the environmental protection agency. they want to move this country out to where a handful of billionaires control the economic life of this country. >> and that's where this fight is headed, is that not right? that's the next fight where they're going to move in these other areas as we go and look at this bipartisan group. this battle that has ended now with them being defeated does not mean this war is over. we have other battles that they're going to plan to resurface. >> al, when you have the koch brothers who sit on $71 billion while pouring hundreds of millions of dollars into the

political process, trust me, this battle has not ended. we've got a lot of work in front of us. our job is to bring the working people, the middle class of this country together to stand up to the big money interests who want to repeal every major piece of legislation passed in the last 80 years to protect american americans. >> thank you for your time tonight. i'm joined now by congresswoman karen bass, democrat from california. thank you, congresswoman for being here. >> thanks for having me on. >> congresswoman, is there any chance at all that we'll see one more round of resistance from the house republicans before the night is through? >> well, i don't believe so. i mean, i think the message from speaker boehner is that he supports the senate deal. and you've also heard some of the most conservative republicans say that they won't stand in the way. that they will allow their caucus to move forward and vote on this. and so i don't know how many republican votes we'll get, but

i can tell you that the democratic caucus is united. and i do believe that this will pass tonight. >> now congresswoman, this is a big victory. there's no doubt about it. but it also has incurred a tremendous cost to the american people. >> absolutely. >> we've got an estimate today of the economic toll this shutdown took on the u.s. economy. it has cost $24 billion, according to standard and poor's. $24 billion for the shutdown that achieved nothing. >> and the irony, of course, is that this sh coming from the party that says that they want to cut spending. that's their mantra that they say every day, but yet every day the government was shutdown it cost taxpayers money. and i tell you, it's really has been something that is shameful and my hope is, is that when tonight is over, i hope my republican colleagues go back to their districts and do some very

serious soul-searching. because what took place over these last two weeks, if you think about what we're voting on tonight, there is no reason that this vote shouldn't have taken place more than two weeks ago. >> and it would have been absolutely the same vote, only we would not have spent $24 billion and caused $800,000 federal workers to be furloughed and not paid. i mean, it is -- it shows a deep-seated partson brinksmanship or hatred or both on the part of those who would do this and think there's something logical about this. >> and i think senator sanders laid it out in terms of what the ultimate objective is. this is a philosophy of the social darwinism, the survival of the fittest. if you cut the programs that he was talking about, you really will have pain and suffering on a lot of people.

the idea that part of this deal is appointing budget conferees, when i will tell you the ranking member of the committee, chris van holland, he has attempted to get paul ryan over ten occasions tried to get them to a point, budget conferees. and over the last couple weeks all we heard from them was we want to have a conversation, we want to go to budget conference. why now? we should have gone to budget conference at the beginning of the year. >> now when you look at the political cost that it has taken from the republicans, washington post poll, there's widespread disapproval of the republicans handling of the shutdown. i mean, from all circles. disapproval from a majority of independents, of young people, of seniors, of democrats, of white voters, of african-american people, of people making less than $50,000, of people making more than $100,000. people in the northeast, in the

midwest, in the south and the west. even moderate republicans. the only groups that approve of this are conservative republicans. >> i think part of the issue is that some of my colleagues that came here when i came with the tea party in 2010, i think that they really didn't understand what the government does. and that it took a government shutdown for people to realize, oh, that's what happens when the government is shut down. gee, we're not able to get things done, that maybe it will increase an understanding as to why we need the government. because if you came here and you said that your mission is to shrink government down to the size ha it would fit in a bathtub, i believe that was grover norquist's slogan. if that is the case you need to understand that we need the government for our basic life, basic quality of life. and hopefully somebody understands that now, i hope. >> well, karen bass, congresswoman from california,

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we're back on a big news night. we're awaiting a senate vote that would end the shutdown. and even after the republican defeat on this, their tea party leader is in denial. >> well, dana, respectfully i disagree with the premise of that. i think we have seen a remarkable thing happen. that was a remarkable victory to see the house engage in a profile in courage. >> a profile in courage? that's amazing. here's what's happening in the real world. since the shutdown, nbc found the gop's approval rate at 24%. that's the lowest rating ever.

and how about the tea party? another record low. gallup also looked at the republican party's approval. and do you see a trend? it's another record low. sarah palin leading rallies isn't likely to turn it around. and someone marching around waving a confederate flag won't open the tepts. and 16 days of this extremist talk is not likely to win over the public. >> how do you deny them access. i don't get it. >> it's difficult. >> it shouldn't be difficult. i'm sorry, sir. >> the park service should be ashamed. >> i'm not ashamed. >> well, you should be. >> people are probably going to realize that they can live with a lot less government than what they thought they needed. >> and they will receive their back pay and it will basically be a paid vacation. >> this is about the happiest

i've seen members in a long time. >> so much for the republican rebranding. the first step is admitting there is a problem. >> that was a remarkable victory to see the house engage in a profile in courage. >> if that was a victory, i wonder what he thinks defeat looks like. joining me now is former congressman barney frank. thank you for being here. >> thank you, al. >> chairman, ted cruz is calling this a victory. what is your response? >> well, i think people should learn an important lesson here. if you are driving in very difficult conditions, don't go on cruz control. you know, i'm told ted cruz is an intelligent man. if so, he's an intelligent man with a great defect of being out

of touch with reality. this was no accident. this is the logical inescapable result of the collapse of responsible conservatism and their deference to this extre extremi extremism. and the one silver lining in this cloud is this may give a spine infusion to some republicans who went along with something that they knew was wrong substantively and politically but lacked the courage to take it on. >> i will say this. people just say well, we just put this off for a couple months. i am convinced they will not try this again. at this point, the responsible republicans -- and there are many, but they're all in hiding -- won't let it happen again. >> you know, congressman, mr. chairman, republicans came under blistering criticism on the opinion page of the right wing wall street journal. they wrote today, quote, they picked a goal they couldn't achieve in trying to defund

obama care from one house of congress. and then they picked a means they couldn't sustain politically. republicans can best help their cause now by getting this over with. i mean, this is the wall street journal. does this -- >> absolutely. >> does this show how far right the party's moved? >> we should be clear. the wall street journal is not opposed to the idea of extremism. but they are opposed to incompetent extremism. i think we should consider ourselves lucky. if you're going to have a party taken over by this extreme crew. it helps that they are such bumblists. we have a key issue now is whether or not the republicans can reassert their control. can i say one other thing? because this issue is going to come up again on the debt limit. and we have to make sure that this is formulated correctly. i am appalled at john boehner acting as if he's doing me a favor or the president a favor

by supporting an increase in the debt limit. john boehner voted to incur much more of that debt than i did. he voted for the iraq war, i didn't. he voted for the big bush tax cuts, i didn't. >> you're right, and, you know, it has gone so extreme that it is very lahard to set a reality check, which is why we're always glad to talk to you. you know it's bad when pat robertson is criticizing the tea party. listen to what he had to say over the last two days. >> there comes a time that rebels have to grow up and work to make the system successful. and unfortunately, the tea party is not going along. the republicans have got to wave the white flag and say we fought

a good fight. now it's over. they cannot shut the government down and then bring about a default. we can't do it. >> i mean, even pat robertson saying it's unreasonable. and let's reiterate the point you made. john boehner and republicans increased the debt limits many times under george bush when you were serving in congress and was a chair in congress. this is nothing that they have not done other and over again. >> they did it over my objection. the iraq war alone, the bush tax cuts. i would love to set my record next to john boehner's or any of that republican leadership. i'll look like a very, very prudent, fiscal conservative. but what we should advertise, when pat robertson tells them this and the wall street journal tells them this, some of the journals try to nit-pick, all they did was win a couple more months. i think it's clear, the republicans won't do this again. they saved some face by saying

it's only for a few months, but there is no possibility that 24 is goi this is going to recur. i would make one suggestion. if the tea party want to get reelected, let's get out of afghanistan this year. if they're serious about cutting back wasteful spending, containing the government from overreach, because we can't make afghanistan into the society we want, let's get together and save many billions of dollars by phasing out afghanistan very quickly. >> now mr. chairman, they seem inflexible, obstinate when it comes to this president. in your judgment, what is it about this president that makes them so inflexible? so ridge id, so raicrazy? >> well, it's a good point. people talk about bipartisan. in 2008 when george bush came to

the congress and said look, as a result of these deregulation policies -- he didn't admit it, but that was the cause. we have a terrible crisis. we need you to help. he instructed nancy pelosi and me to be cooperative. bipartisan died on january 21st, 2009 when obama took over. i think they resent the fact, first of all that he's a democrat. secondly, they resent our successes. you know, in 2009 and '10 when we had a democratic house and senate, we put forth thing, we got health care, we strengthened the remedies for people suffering from wage discrimination and we repealed don't ask/don't tell. i think if president obama had been less effective they might not have minded so much. and then you have to accept the fact that race is a part of it. this notion about where he was born. it's inconceivable that there would be this degree of

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the senate will soon vote to finally end the government shutdown and avoid a government default. the house is scheduled to vote late tonight. >> the gop failure shows president obama meant what he said when he said he would not negotiate over the debt ceiling. in fact, he made the decision months ago. two new accounts show that after the last debt limit crisis the president was ready to fight back. the washington post quotes that he knew there would be another moment like this said a senior administration official. he has thought about what his role and responsibility would be and it is administration that it is essential that he stand his ground. he said i'm not going through

this again. he told his staff to spread that word, even in your body language. and that determination is exactly what we saw from the white house over the last 16 days. >> let me repeat -- i will not negotiate over congress's responsibility to pay bills it's already wracked up. you don't negotiate by putting a gun to the other person's head. there will be no negotiations over this. the american people are not pawns in some political game. we're not going to pay a ransom for america paying its bills. that's something that should be nonnegotiatable and everybody should agree on that. >> but did the gop take him seriously? nope. when the national review asked paul ryan if he thought the president would stand firm, he

said oh, nobody believes that, nobody believes that. i think most people believe he's just posturing for now. well, i have a question for mr. ryan. do you believe him now? joining me now is congresswoman jan schakowsky from illinois. what's the mood like for the democrats in the house today? >> well, you know, reverend al, this send the kind of day we're doing high-fives. as you reported earlier, the economy has lost about $24 billion. furloughed workers who already didn't get a wage increase for three years and were furloughed already for three days, they're still hurting and worrying about how they're going to pay their bills and when those checks are going to come.

so while we avoided catastrophe we still haven't been able to move the country forward. and there are deadlines coming up that hopefully they're not going to do this again, that the republicans won't put us through this again. but in january and february we're going to see new deadlines. >> you know, the president is moving forward. in an interview yesterday he said the day after, i'm going to be push being a vote on immigration reform. so he seems like he's geared up, ready to go if this in fact holds tonight. and we're waiting to see if the senate votes and congresswoman house members will vote. he says he's going to go on to the next move and push for immigration reform. >> you know, i'm a big fan of action movies. this weekend, i saw captain

phillips. you don't negotiate with hostage takers. a lot of us who are outside of the government were very happy to hear that the president wasn't going to negotiate this time. and they had learned that lesson and they fought back and the president won. he deserves an extraordinary amount of credit for there. there are thousands of people who are waiting around for their checks so they can pay their rents, their mortgages, car notes and all sorts of things. already starting to hear about extraordinary measuring being taken, but the next thing that's going to happen is immigration reform to get back focused on the middle class and jobs and the things that people elected this government to do. hopefully the rational republicans will do the deal with democrats so we can get the government functioning. >> now congresswoman, there's signs of trouble for the gop in 2014. polls says 39% would prefer

republican controlled congress whereas 47% said they prefer a democrat-controlled congress. now that's a significant gap. has ted cruz done enough to hand the house back to the democrats in your judgment? >> i think if the election were held today it's very likely that the democrats would actually be in the majority. and, i think if we are able now to proceed with the things the americans really care about, the positive agenda of creating jobs, of implementing the affordable care act so more people can have their health coverage that they need, then i think there's no question that we will be able to win. but i also think that we are going to need to keep a ledger of just what was the real expense of this shutdown and this brinksman ship when it comes to paying the debts of our country. these were not cost free. and i think the kind of expenses that are going to accrue are going to mount up as we go

forward. and that kind of recklessness and irresponsibility, i think will take its toll in the november elections. >> you know, jamal, even the right has began to get nervous. a conservative blogger suggested that the democrats will win back control next year. he tweeted speaker pelosi part two opening january 5th, 2015. even the writer's scared, jamal. >> they should be scared. some of the people in the chamber of commerce and business groups says anybody who votes against the debt increase they risk getting a primary challenge, i would love to see the business republicans go after these tea party republicans next year so even if a democrat can't beat them they at least get some people back in congress who are willing to focus on things like e-rate, broadband connections to schools

and libraries. that's kind of stuff that the american people want to see. >> at the end of the day, the affordable care act which they claim this was over is moving forward. in just 12 states, plus the district of columbia, there have been at least 185,000 applications for the affordable care act so far. and keep in mind, a single application can represent an entire family. >> that's right. and actually, the favorability of obama care has gone up during this period of the shutdown. and all the hooting and hollering about getting rid of it. clearly we need to get all those glitches out and have it up and running. but we have seen the tremendous interest that the american people have in that. and we're going to get cleared up. and we're going to get it done. people are going to be really happy by next november, that's for sure, when the election happens. and i think a lot sooner than

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trying to win the blame game. today daryl sissa held a hearin to investigate park shutdown closures. he called for the resignation of the head of the park service. >> let me ask you a very simple question. whose hand is it? is it your land? or the government as land? or do you oversee the people's land? >> it's the people's land. >> going after the park service director for the shutdown his party started? that takes some brass. ly luckily, house democrats were there to set the record straight. >> what in the world are we doing here? stop this madness right now. people say speaker boehner is holding our country hostage. and that is why the american people correctly blame house republicans for shutting down

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why does this matter? why do so many of my colleagues and i continually come to this senate floor to raise this we are waiting for the senate to vote finally to end the government shutdown and avoid a government default. the house is scheduled to vote late tonight. while republicans have lost this whole process, it has made one thing clear. the gop thinks if they can't beat the president they should just try and get rid of him, impeach him. this week, sarah palin railed against obama's impeachable offenses. and so did a truly great mind of the gop. >> if the president instructs the treasury secretary, though the money is there to pay interest, if he instructs him to default, i think we're getting close to a high crime and

misdemeanor. >> you heard him. it would be a high crime and misdemeanor. but let's not forget the president's other impeachable crimes. since his inauguration in 2009 republicans have want the to impeach him because he really wasn't born here. they've called for his impeachment over immigration reform. over the defense of marriage act, over fast and furious. they want an impeachment if he didn't extend the bush tax cuts, because he made recess appointments, because of the dream act, because of the war in libya, because of gun control, because of quote, all the czars he appointed. that was first term stuff, right? in 2013, who's out spouting this garbage besides sarah palin and her right wing party? >> we want all tools available to use, including that impeachment. >> if he continues this, could that build up to make a case for

possible impeachment? >> all options are on the table. >> if we were to impeach the president tomorrow, we would probably have the votes to do it. >> we may be starting to use the i word before too long. >> meaning impeachment. >> tell me how i can impeach the pritz of the united states. >> to successfully impeach the president you need the votes in the u.s. senate with harry reid. >> would you have to qualify in proceedings against the president. and that's called impeachment. barack obama is a personal friend of mine. >> this impeachment talk is deeper than disagreeing with policy. it's not about politics. it's about hatred. they can't beat him, so they try to impeach him. but let's look who's still

standing today. joining me now, abbey huntsman and richard wolf. this is almost a code for anti-obama extremism. what do you make of it? >> he has to do something to be impeachable. is there a crime that he's committed that we're not aware of? it's interesting that they're using this term that he's well into his second term. we're talking about elected officials that are calling for him to be impeached. and some of which are trying to get into office. so pie question is, you know, here we are with, you know, struggling economy. we need to be talking about immigration, education, tax reform. so many things that need to be discussed. and this is their agenda. this is their idea of the future success of the gop? and sadly, because the party is

o so fragmented otherwise we wouldn't be talking about it. >> some of piece people should never have been elected in the first place. texas, is a great state, but somebody vetted for their guy. it's not just one offense but everything that comes out of his mouth. we are talking about senators here who get elected statewide who feel that they can pann der. ted cruz knows there's not the votes there. how extreme does it have to be? and i do think as statewide officials if not national speakers, they have to know that they are driving their brand and their party into an unelectable place, even just pandering to the stuff. >> there's something deeper here, because i mean, just two weeks after he took office they started talking about

impeachment. and we keep hearing it over and other and over again, abbey. >> you hope, though, that today it's some sort of a reflection point for the republican party where they say where do we go from here? how can we wrap our arms around the party once again and actually strengthen it. is this a time when you say the tea party won't hold the government hostage? or are we going to see this game of chicken continue as we hit another budget crisis a few weeks from now? i think this is a real moment for the republican party. no matter where you find yourself on the political spectrum, we should all be hoping for a strong republican party, because that makes for a morrow bust debate and more compromise. and that's what the american people deserve. >> when we look at this impeachment, it has almost become a badge of honor for the right. texas lieutenant governor david dewurs, he lost as a moderate

candidate to ted cruz. this week he told tea partiers he wants to impeach president obama over benghazi. then you have steve stockman. he plans to distribute a book about impeachment. he bought 435 copies of the world net bailey book, impeachable offenses, the case for reof mooing barack obama from office and he plans to give a copy to every member of the house. >> that's one way to sell a book, i guess. here's the thing. we have seen in the last few weeks how this extreme talk suddenly moves into the mainstream. and before you now it, they're too scared. fear is what is ruling at least the house republicans right now. they're too scared to say, boo, this is not going to work. this is not going to fly. and we've got to stop it. so what happens? they take one of these crazy ideas, it didn't work and then they realize, gee,

we look really foolish. there is a danger that this talk about impeachment moves to the heart of the republican party. there are no grown ups to say that's crazy. stop it. >> i feel like when they feel threatened they throw out this crazy rhetoric, talking about impeaching the president. and that's exactly when you see this come out. >> but aren't they intimidated by the loud talkers, the radio talkers. those that have been able to use the right wing media from blog to fox that have put them in a state of intimidation? i'm talking about the moderate grown ups in the republican party? >> yeah. and it's sad. it's really difficult for them to have any sort of control. and we know that there are these wacko birds on both sides of the political aisle. but unfortunately because the moderates don't have a lot of control they are dominating the narrative. that becomes very dangerous. and that's what we've seen play

out. and it's an important moment for the future of this country and i hope they lean toward a more moderate tone. >> do you think it will end? we're waiting on the senate vote, if it goes as planned. do you think that some of the far right will lose their steam since it's going to be hard to make, to even spin this as a victory, or do you think they're such believers it won't even matter. >> i think they will say it's a real victory for them because in spite of this bump in the road they are the ones who set the country on the right track and they'll come back and do it in february. they need to understand this is not an electable pla ablable pl. they'll have to lose again to -- >> i think that's right. they'll have to lose the house to hit rock bottom. >> abbey huntsman and richard

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