comes together for bible study. republicans and democrats and maybe that's a way forward. >> great news. we have things outside. if it's way too early, it's "morning joe." chuck todd will ask you you. the dodgers won. we want to see this. >> this game is over. the latest round of governing by crisis. they dodged the default and the severe damage to be done to our leaders and image in the world. perhaps most severely to the republican party brand. one of the democrats who wrote the senate solution and oren 4567, a better republican who has seen his share of shutdowns, but always with this one. new jersey has a new senator-elect and his name is kory booker. how many people voted on a

wednesday and i'm sober? we will take you to the data banks. good morning from washington. it's october 17th, 2013. the government is open. let's get right to my first read of the morning. before the standoff began, the president was pretty vulnerable and teetering on the edge of lame duckdom. the consternation about the health care law. republicans were keeping internal division under wraps and their odds of retaking the senate looked good. just over two weeks later, the politics have turned upside down. how lasting is this reality? will it translate into new political strength? can the republican party stick to division and will the split in the gop be what defines the party for the next six months? for now the national nightmare

is over at least for 90 days. employees are returning to work this morning and crews are removing barricades and the capital visitor's center is open. the damage to the republican and the republican party and the institution of congress and the country's faith in government won't be easily repaired. standard and poor's estimated it will cost the economy $24 billion and the country said they are pretty upset about all of this. >> what do you think is going on in washington, d.c. right now? >> you asked the wrong guy. you never put on television what i think is going on. >> you wear the flag on your shoulder. are you confused? >> yes, i am. they should be thinking about the flag and not themselves. the people of the united states. >> do you think there great leaders in washington today? >> none that i know of. >> just about an hour and a half from now, president obama will

address that trust in government and map out what the white house calls a way forward on the policy priorities to make the point that although washington averted default, this hurt the country and economy and america's credibility abroad. things he began to touch on last night. >> there is a lot of work ahead of us includingor need to earn back the trust of the american people that has been lost over the last few weeks. >> is this going to happen all over again in a few months. >> no. >> last night the senate voted overwhelming in favor of the compromise bill hammered out. the funds it of the go through january 15th and raises the debt ceiling through february seventh and the law preserves the extraordinary measures to avoid default. that february seventh number will be fuzzy. they submit a budget report by december 13th.

it does provide back pay for federal workers as soon as practicable. the income verification rules change. the republicans who oppose the bill, wyoming senator and pat roberts all face primary challenges. three more. they talked about the potential consenter. in the house, 144 of the republican conference opposeded the bill and 87 supported it. all voted for the final deal. republican leaders john boehner, eric kantor and kevin carthy voted for the bill. paul ryan voted against it, defying the leadership. for republicans it will be dealing with the intern flip of the party. the ill will is not between democrats and republicans and tea party and non-tea party

republicans. >> we were not going to defund obama care. that's why we had an election in 2012. that's part of what that was about. the republicans have a hole they have to come out of and obviously we have to do a lot of work. >> senate republicans were attacking house republicans in every venue from every front. it should have been the senate republicans that rode to support the courageuous stand house republicans were taking and instead they were the air force bombing our own troops. >> it is probably symbolically the two best examples. the conservative blogs are railing against the establishment and making it clear they want to punish somebody. that somebody is not a democrat. >> i was pondering if i can ever remember a greater political disaster in my lifetime. if i can remember a time when the political party just made a

decision not to exist. >> all this crap about the law of the land. the law of the land is the constitution. john boehner was never going to fight hard on obama care. that's why you heard throughout much of the conservative media like a bunch of carrots that they say we should not fight obama care. >> if you judge from house republicans, boehner e merginged from a better place with the most skeptical members of his conference including the republican study committee and the big conservative part of the house republicans. there is no chance that there will be a truce. >> absolutely no talk of anything along that line. no talk at all. >> i have been proud of speaker boehner. i don't think that he should be ashamed of anything he has done. i'm more upset with my republican conference.

>> the speaker got a standing ovation. >> many tea party members are appreciative that he stood by them anyway for a long time. the question is, with paul ryan and boehner, did they negotiate a real compromise and come to an agreement? does he have the ability to sell it on the right. they break out into the open and it has been a high profile primary fight. the club for growth announced they will score the shut down deal and the key vote, eric erickson is targeting the republican leader and have an opportunity to replace mitch mcconnell with a better conservative. we should do that founded by jim demint for a $2 billion provision that ends up in this bill. it funds a waterway project in

kentucky and illinois. they are going to a kick back as an insult to families who don't want to pay for obama care and shoulder any more debt. the office said they did not make the request to include the project in the bill. former alaska governor sarah palin said we must focus on the senate races. let's start with ken tucky that said we are awfully close to tennessee and mississippi referring to lindsay graham, lamar alexander and cochran. they singled out in a post presumally written by the post. he is watching his own and voted against the deal. how this fight changed in 24th. connell and i show you pictures of ted cruz who is greeting visitors to the capital. one more thing, dianne feinstein, a democrat, they made

sure that provision was in there. there you go. congress managed to buy itself time for budget tyke and to keep the lies on for another 90 days. it may not have happened if not for a bipartisan group of senators. with me was the members of the group of 14. north dakota democratic senator. senator, good morning. >> good morning. >> so this deal, it was all with the moderates essentially from the democrats and the republicans coming together to do this deal. what's interesting to me is it seems as if the moderates never have a role. how do you change that mind set? do you think you would have more credibility now when there is not a crisis to be averted? >> we are still in this game.

we have a short period of time to come up with a budget deal. we have destroyed american confidence in not only the economy, but the institution. the 14 of us are absolutely committed to continuing the discussions and absolutely committed to doing what we make sure we do not get here again. $24 billion wasted. $160 million a day to shut down for the taxpayers and we don't know about the interest rates and costs millions and billions of dollars. it's shameful and i don't think we can step back and say look, let's put these adults in the room and doing what we need to do to make sure we do not get here again. >> we always do that. the relationships matter and it is usually in a crisis moment that you see bonds that are developed. can this be a group or is this group going to come together if

patty murray and paul ryan fail? >> i think that this group is an opportunity to continue discussions about what those decisions are. i don't think the budget committee is going to go to conference. hallelujah. the great irony of this is that the city people who took us to this brink prevented this conference months ago. we will all have to stay engaged in looking at what those discussions are and not doing this last minute back and forth again. we have to do it to secure the confidence of the economy. >> is there a way we change the way the conference works? the biggest skepticism with a lot of the public and particularly new media, it's the lack of transparency when the deals get cut. let's look at the right of getting mitch mcconnell on the one provision. should the ryan and murray conference be televised so that

we are all seeing everything out in the open? or would that make things worse? >> when we get the budget committee, you remember there were television cameras watching every movement that is the back and forth between the republicans and the democrats? >> good or bad? >> i think it's good. i come from a culture of transparency and i was for the open records law in north dak a dakota. i think the only way you reestablish confidence is tell people what you are doing and don't spring it on them at the last minute. i'm sure there other people who say you can never negotiate a deal like this, but it's not like there is mystery to this. we have been here before. there is all kinds of discussions about what the options are. why not have a discussion about what people believe about the options and people make choices that might help pave the way. >> these big deals usually die because there is one provision that maybe a progressive group doesn't like and makes it a if

you support this, you will get primary type of thing. on the right we know that that exists particularly on the tax issue. why should i be -- why shouldn't i be skeptical that anything is going to happen because there is political pressures on entitlement and taxes on the right. >> i say to my colleagues, why do you want to be here? if you are here to hold the place and keep a job, what good value does that have and what job satisfaction does that have? i came to work on deficit and debt reduction. i am convinced a 1% increase costs us $110 billion a year, a trillion $ over ten years. it's not sustainable. we need to deal with the problem and i think what we saw on the four teams are people who say our job is not nearly as important as the people. let's make the tough choices and move this forward and give the

predictability this this economy that the american people deserve. >> the good news is it's a low bar. none of us expect you guys to get any of this deal to happen. >> i'm going to take it as a personal challenge to change your mind. >> there go you. democrat from north dakota, thanks for coming on this morning. much more ahead here on tdr, the daily data bank. it's now our daily data bank of numbers. plus, how the shut down strategy gets republicans in the promotion of the u.s. senate. we will break it down. republican senator warren hatch on the pape versus the gain. the party divides clearly inside this republican party these days. we have seen a lot of that. first a look ahead at the politics planner. the president has a meeting with the italian prime minister today. that's later this morning after the remarks he is going to make

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in the race in the previous quarter, the fight against liz cheney proved he can raise the big money dollar for dollar with her. she pulled in just over a million bucks. finally 15.6% according to spores illustrated is how many of the previous 77 major league baseball teams down three games to in a best of seven series came back to win the series with my 15%. i am the 15%. my daughters are hoping to join that club. st. louis still leads 3-2 back to the gateway to the west for game six in two days. one more sports number, is the ranking for the hurricanes. they had to shut down in the hurricanes. we just got these pictures in to msnbc. agriculture secretary tom milsap greeting government workers back

on the job as they came in this morning. a bunch of leaders feel they need to do this. more senate scramble after the break. how did the vote to reopen the government shift the political landscape in 2014? the gaggle joins me next. we will keep surveying the damage keeping an eye on wall street as the markets get ready to open. they rallied yesterday on the expectation of the deal. is the optimism going to be short-lived? we have to do something during this break here. that is the trivia question. who was the last third party presidential candidate to win the electoral vote? the first person to tweet the correct answer will get the on air shout out. even when we cross our t's and dot our i's, we still run into problems.

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there for those that are out. now for more of the first read. last night's vote could scramble senate in the next election. it was not just on reopening the senate. u.s. senators who are running and sending a message and will had help or hurt? corey booker was elected last night and there 55 democrats and 45 republicans in the senate? that means they need 60 to gain control in 2014. right now the seven house republicans are running or expected to run in the most competitive senate deals next year. one of the most surprising votes of the night. tom cotton is virtually tied ina arkansas. he voted yes on the budget bill and doesn't have a series

challenge. he took a different tactic and saying that they wanted to make sure health care was included in any budget negotiations and he voted no. he is trying to unseat mary landrieu. he does have a potential challenger on the right. then republican representative jack kingston who voted no. he is the top fund-raiser among the candidates running for the open senate seat. that was in line with the recent moves to the right. his top rival is michelle nunn who reportedly raised that. pat roberts from kansas and they both voted no on the agreement to reopen the government. a couple of republicans may take a yes vote to elect the chances. steve daps could run to replace

max bacchus and he has taken heat over the shut down at home and voted yes on the deal. shelly is heavily favored in the race to replace jay rockefeller. she voted yes last night in west virginia. a big benefit of federal spending. the most fascinating vote may have been mitch mcconnell. after spending most of the government shut down trying to dodge the spotlight, they wanted to lead on the bipartisan bill. the primary challenge facing the fund-raiser. this was not an easy thing for him. he raised a ton of money and democrats have been praising mcconnell's leadership. will it help or hurt him. let's talk about some of the winners and the losers. former director of the domestic policy counsel and assistant to the president. robert costa is a brand name in the house of republicans these

days. the editor for the national view, contributor waiting for rich to have that raise for him. and liz from the negotiated press. robert, i will start with you. any of those votes surprise you last night? the yeses and nos when it comes to the guys worrying about the race? >> i have two votes. working with the tea party ring in the house, they thought of him. >> perhaps. less so on the policy. >> now he is making a vote and reflections a lot of them and wanted the impasse to end. he is interesting. as much as he plays primary politics. he wanted to protect sequestration. he tried to make entitlement cuts later on. >> he was interested to hear the statement on the floor when they announced the deal. he kept politics out of his and really had the language compare

to what we know before. mitch mok connell to robert's point, we are not going to move on that. he drew his own line in the sand and is trying to walk that line. >> look, this is a guy who is facing challenges on the right and the left. the real possibility that he could lose next fall. he does need to put the politics in there. on the other hand he was reading the politics. what he did was say he recognized that the republicans were really suffering. he had to do something. he is hoping he will get credit for that down the road. >> hoo seymore worried about the primary. the president withdrew this line two years ago. a lot of us know this. that was a question of whether you would keep hope alive. whether the credibility is on the line. it's a few found political

capital of strength. what should he use it for? >> i think a couple of things. one, the period puts aside or sets aside the naysayers who said he is weak. >> the market is open now. we will see the numbers in a minute. >> i think he said very clearly, hopefully once and for all, no, i'm not moving and not bunling and this cannot be a negotiating tactic and he is hoping that will carry over and bleed into the other negotiations that he wants to have. he made it clear and said it himself. he wants to move forward with regards to immigration. that has been a primary source of disappointment for him. he hasn't been able to accomplish him and he wanted to do it in the first four years and we couldn't get it done then. he sees it as an economic issue. >> having to reassure people that health care is at work. >> that's part and parcel on the health care.

>> we had the other part of this is the budget deal. paul ryan voted no. that seemed to be a strategic vote there. the conference said boehner appointed and he is known as a deal maker, paul ryan who sounds like a deal maker but at the end of the day never really budgets there at the end of the day. if he does budge, does boehner and ryan have the credibility? >> ryan's no vote is very important. he needs to bring it along as the conference starts. he needs to get the trust and cut a deal with patty murray. maybe even talking about tax reform in a broader sense. >> do you think revenues will ever be unstable? >> when you look at behind the scenes, what they were talking about, loopholes if they think they can get it. the time period is so compressed. >> there 17,000 plans sitting on a shelf.

the idea, i'm sorry. they are sitting there. how many more? they are just sitting there. get one off the shelf. i will take a little bit from there. the idea that they don't have enough time is the most bogus excuse. it's what you say when you don't want to do something. >> reinventing the wheel, if you look at the numbers, the republicans are tired of this. it's going to play out and it's going to play out in perhaps a throw the bums out mentality. both sides forasmuch as republicans are being blamed, the american public is tired of it all. unless we make the effort, let's be honest. this is a congress that the voters voted in. it's got to go back to that. >> i had somebody in a house democratic strategist. i said you can find your 17 or 18. you know what, this environment

is toxic. we are going to lose more than the people think for this same reason. this anger out there. suddenly they think their problem is and why some of these people don't think they can win the house. they are now more vulnerable to the larger attitude. >> i think that's one of the reasons that the president will speak to the issue of trust and reestablishing trust with the american people. that requires everyone and i know everyone will. >> the republican side should do it. who should be that person? the president's job, but who can do it on the republican side? >> a leader who will stand up and do that. >> there multiple republican parties stuffed into one jacket. >> it's cruz because cruz seems burped here. a lot of people don't like him, but he is controlling where the party is moving with the conversations on the right. >> he wants to take the

leadership. >> he's not going to back away. the party is listening to the movement more than it is now. >> i think you will see them quite fast. >> they already are. >> the business community is one. >> there hurt feelings there. between republicans and the democrats. you guys are going to stick around. more on the winners and losers. you can preview it now. logon and sign up and be part of our new online community. that's the one you will want to be a part of. stay tuned for all things and checking in early and often for the features if we get started. the 21st 7ry. a man who was a freshman senator when the government closed its doors in the fall of 77. the 17 shutdowns during his time in office, oren hatch can provide a lot of perspective and joins me next. you are watching "the daily

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s. >> these are house and senate budget leaders. they had some breakfast this morning. take a listen to what they talked about before. >> the details of this budget, i think it puts us in a position where we maybe will accomplish something good. i hope so. affirmative process will be helped. >> how can you ensure that? some of you were on that community. is there an all-around message we are aiming for? >> let me ask in terms of the committee. the super committee's goals were broader and larger. we had a challenge that had a reconciliation between the senate and house budget and the issues on the table will be talking about all of them and our job is to make sure we put

forward a spending cap and a budget for this congress in the next year or two or further if we can. >> it's too soon to get into the numbers. >> paul ryan and patty murray. this is going to be a fairly large conference mittee and they have 60 days to see if they can come up with a resolution in the senate and house budget. very, very stark differences. they will be interested to see how the president's budget is used. particularly by house republicans. the president advocated for that and the senate democrats did not include. that resulted in a lot of political pain. not a lot of political gain. it still insists it was worth it. >> it's always worth it to do the right thing. fighting against an abusive government and protecting the individual rights of the

american people. it's always the right thing. avoiding difficult battles after all is how we end up in this kind of mess. >> that was our next guest's colleague from utah. this is utah republican senator oren hatch. he has seen his share of government showdowns and shutdowns in his time in office. 17 to be exact. i apologize for keep bringing up that number. i am not trying to age you. let me ask you to debate the question. was it worth it? >> it was worth it in thes en that it turned out burden of proof people thought it was going to turn out. we were able to preserve the sequestration and brought the rest from 1.3 trillion. the president hates sequestration. it's the worst way to do things, but it has worked so far. >> i'm confused. on sequestration, is seems like when people don't like it on the

republican side, they blame the president for it and when the president doesn't like it he plames republicans. people want to take credit for it. i get confused on your side as well. are you for it or against it? >> the one thing we wanted to do is maintain the budget control act. by doing that we put on this excessive spending. we have a long way to go to get it under control. i don't blame any young person for thinking they can shut down the government without all kinds of unforeseen problems and a lot of sustained problems. i don't blame anybody who has the guts to fight for that even though it's a losing cause. a lot of us have been through that before. whpd last night was a tragedy. every republican, every republican, not one difference. every one of us was against obama care. the democrats know it. that's the thing that bothers me.

they are caught in the web where they can't do anything about it. the president knows it himself. let's face it, harry reid summed it up. he said it's the road to a single payer system. meaning socialized medicine. anybody who thinks that's the answer to americans's free market system is nuts as far as i'm concerned. >> senator, it's a long way from that. i want to ask you about because you come from a time and a legislative process that when you see something defeated that you department like, you were an advocate of trying to fix it, not repeal it. do you think that mind set changes considering how the politics of this works? maybe instead of trying as john mccain's words trying to repeal something thaw can't do, there is a series attempt by republicans to say okay, here's where we think we should fix it. democrats, what do you think? >> it's a parent that we were

going to fail as far as trying to shut it down. no question about that. we will badly hurt this country and the whole economy. the fact of the matter is that you can't fix it. it is that bad of a bill. i work in health care problems for the last 37 years and a lot of health care bills had my name on them. i can tell you that this is a bill deft upped to fail as it is failing right now. they are trying to implement it. the funny thing is, they know it. like reid said, it's just a step away from socialized medicine. that's what it is. >> for it fails, the only other reform that will work is medicare for all. i looked at this and said if this doesn't work, the only solution will end up being medicare for all, is it not? >> it's almost that now. it's not quite that right now and a lot of doctors refuse to take medicare and a lot of doctors are quitting and said we

had it. we are not going to be run by the federal government and we are not going to practice anymore. i'm finding that some of the people who want to go into medicine don't want to do it. they see it as a failing business. i hope that's not the case, but look. i'm willing to redo obama care, but i think it's a non-reconstructible bill. any time you have 100% democrats voting if are a bill, not one republican in both houses of congress, it's a dog. >> very quickly, the whole governing from crisis to crisis, do you think there is a newfound appetite to stop this in the senate some. >> i hope the people realize the courage of senator mcconnell who is up for reelection. >> he has a lot on the line and

the right is not going to be happy. >> the right, some of which are not republicans and think they can control the republican party. they think back on the past and are losing their reputation because of this radicalness. you referring to harris? >> of course i am. that used to be the conservative organization helping republicans and conservatives and helping us to have the best conservative ideas. that's a real questions on the minds of many republicans. i am not just thinking for myself, but they go and it really doesn't amount to anything anymore. i hope not. i will try to help survive and do well. right now i think it's in danger of losing its power around washington, d.c. >> let me say one other thing. mcconnell is a terrific leader.

i have known him for a long time and i have known every leader. nobody has been any better than connell. he is good and smart and knows what he's doing. i am telling you that this has been tough for him. orin hatch brings us context to what we just witnessed over the last 16 days. thanks for coming on this morning, sir. >> up next, the default crisis temporarily behind us, president obama wants to move to immigration. it's a fight that might be standing in his way. we will have the white house soup of the day, the government is open, but for more day, they have to deal with turkey chili. we'll be right back. bad things happen. add brand new belongings from nationwide insurance and we'll replace stolen or destroyed items with brand-new versions. we put members first. join the nation. ♪ nationwide is on your side ♪

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democrats got out of this 16-day shutdown was a distraction from what has been a rocky rollout of of health care, but now that we're back to our regularly scheduled programming, what happens? let's bring back melody barnes and robert costa, melody, former administration official. you know, in the alternative universe of no shutdown, we may be in a political crisis as for as the way this website was built, rolled out, everybody, former colleague of yours, robert gibbs is wondering how has someone not been held accountable for what is this mess. i assume as a former administration official you had that feeling in some form?

>> there's no question. the data is there that shows just how problematic this rollout has been and one of the big concerns is whether or not people will lose confidence and not go back to the site. but at the same time i know from talking to former colleagues and the administration that, you know, it's all hands on deck and every tool that they can use to get it right. new software, hardware, expertise to try and get the coding and everything rebuilt and redone. >> so the people that built the most technologically savvy campaign, that's the part that is hard. and i do think it's part of the reality is there was kind of a hunker down, we know that we're fighting in the supreme court. we know that we're fighting on the house floor. >> are you worried about implementation? >> there's a lot going on at the same time that they were trying to make this big, big, big change that the nation so desperately needed, but i think

they're deploying every tool at their disposal to try to get this right and to make sure people can sign up to health care. >> there are two ways to fight something you don't like. if you really believe that it's not going to work then you let the public see or you try to stop it and it comes across as you fear it might work and you can never stop it. republicans now, what are they thinking? do they think they missed a political opportunity? >> republicans had their head in their hands and not because of the way the shutdown ended and the impasse ended and they wasted the last two weeks since october 1 of the and they haven't had a cohesive message on implementation. can they recover this obama care message? >> that's the thing. they used it so much. does anybody believe them when they talk about health care. you cry wolf so many times about health care that it's the message. is the public listening to it anymore? >> well, i think, chuck, you

know this, people vote about how they feel on a given period in a given day, so it may be that the system has impacted so many people negatively that the republicans may not have to message that people can walk in and say this is the way it is. >> and that's the challenge. >> there's also a lot about health care that's working and people are benefiting from that, as well. >> it's clear the white house has work to do. >> melody, shameless plugs. go. >> my friend robin shutkin has written a new book that's trending at the top in the health care sector called "gut bliss." it is a wonderful book. >> mr. costa? >> thumbs up to jonathan strong. congressional reporter for doing a great job covering the shutdown. >> congratulations to mr. and mrs. david leffler who just got married. >> congratulations to the news organizations and our team, mr. costa, it's always tough things.

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