by that than imprecisely because the good. i want the cash registers to work and checkout lines to be smooth. i want people to be able to get this great product. and there's no excuse for the problems. and it's -- these problems are getting fixed. >> president obama taking a commanding role in fixing healthcare.gov. when the president told you to fix the website, that is the part of the agenda, you better get busy. americans can apply by phone. bypass the website. there's a clear link to see plans and premiums and five quick links including a one page guide to getting coverage and four ways to apply for it. despite the front end upgrade the big problem lies behind the scenes buried behind computer

code, as many as 5 million lines of code that need to be rewritten. experts say it could take weeks to help all of us noncomputer nerds, the healthcare.gov contains 100 million lines of software code. large banks about a fifth of that. so a major undertaking indeed on something that is too big to be allowed to fail. peter alexander is at the wougs. what is the white house going to do? >> reporter: tour'e, that's a good question. the president's strategy today was to try to create a pretty good distinction between the website and the health care law. of course, to keep with his own metaphor, this idea of a shopping store, grocery store, if you will for a lot of people, the website is the like the sliding doors, that is the entry way to best understand the law. that's why this has been so taxing to the white house.

it should be spending his political capital on budget talks, not trying to defend the obama care website. one of the things to focus on over the next several days and weeks is exactly how long this takes. the white house would not indicate how long it would take. they are not stupid, they are not going to put a marker on the calend calendar. if they could be solved in four to six weeks, they are convinced the majority of people who have yet to sign up and visit, if it extends beyond that, it becomes a bigger type of firestorm for this administration. >> peter alexander, thanks for that. 19 million people visited the site. half million americans have applied since the exchanges opened but applying does not mean enrollment. that is only step one. step two is having eligibility approved and steb 3 is choosing a plan and enrollment figures will not be available to mid

november, when the major bugs have got to be worked out. here's why. if you want to start your coverage on first of the year, the deadline to enroll is december 15th. people are procrastinators by nature. that means odds are we'll see a spike around thanksgiving, as a guide when massachusetts launched its commonwealth care. enrollment spiked as the full mandate kicked in. you can see it there on the chart. perry bacon is at the white house where he had a background briefing on obama care's implementation. perry, the president made clear the aca is not a website. you can also access it by phone. this is a deliberate problem not a product problem. if we go on too long with delivery problems it becomes a policy problem. how long do you think the white house has before this technical problem becomes a policy problem and please answer in minutes?

>> good to see you guys, good to see you, tour'e. we have two technical problems. the website wasn't working great and from people i talked to, right now the phone site isn't working well as well either. when you go on to call and dial in, you off tten are told to waa long time or call back later. the key date here, december 15th. december 15th. that's when your health insurance goes online. what they talked about today, they expect a big spike of people, particularly young and healthy people to sign up in december between thfgs and december 15th. if the website is the not working then, then you'll have problems. real people who want to go on and can't go on and having the insurance they expected start by january 1. the other big day march 15th, when the enrollment for the six months ends. >> things are far from perfect

but beyond the glitches. you still have a number of american people that you have to convince. there's a poll that just came out, abc news "washington post" post, that majority of americans, 56% believe the website problems are an indication of bigger problems with the overall law and we're seeing obama's numbers decline to 44.5%, a drop of more than 3 percentage points than last quarter. one of the lastest declines of his presidency so far. it's hard to not associate it with the overall popularity of the bill and rollout. >> this is called obama care, one of the most important things he's done. he campaigned on it over and over again. the other thing you have to remember, he talks about the law being obama care is more than a website. it's more than a phone number. for most americans it really isn't. there are a lot of benefits for the health care law that happened but most americans know the law because we're covering it so intensely right now.

this is the enrollment time and when you get health insurance and right now it's really not working well. the word they used over and over again is unacceptable. you can use shameful, disappointing and i think those are the words you have to use to describe this rollout. >> i would use embarrassing. >> or words we can't say on tv. >> perry, i think you put it in good perspective, as much as you can say this isn't the guts of the actual policy, it is what most americans first experience with this very controversial policy is, it is the president's signature achievement and this is a mission critical part of it. i was prepared for some glitches but this is a catastrophe. let's listen what to what robert gibbs had to say. >> when they get it fixed, i hope they fire people that were in charge of making it work. we knew there were gobing to glitches but these go way beyond

the pale of what should be expected. >> do you think it is a reasonable question to ask whether kathleen sebelius should resign over this massive failure? >> i do think as a reasonable question. right now we have a lot of republicans and a lot of journalists asking that. i do think you'll see in the next few weeks some democrats raise the question. >> i just raised it. >> that's a good point. exactly. particularly if the website is fixed tomorrow, then that will be it. but right now you have sebelius not showing up in front of congress. she appeared on the daily show to talk about the health care law. i know congress is very partisan and hearings don't result in much, but you can't appear on the daily show and say you can't show up in front of congress. that's not a good precedent and help her popularity very much. >> i don't think the republicans in congress have a great record of being substantive about these issues, but there is no doubt she has an obligation to go in,

to consent to that oversight and help us get to the bottom of this. the fact that they've trumped up over scandals doesn't erode that whatsoever. the final point i want to present, perry, this is frustrating because the republicans have in many ways tried to delegitimatize the affordable care act, including working overtime to deny the poorest americans the coverage they would get under the medicaid expansion, which is something that those interested in health care and poverty issues care a great deal about. and the president has rightly fought them on. now it feels speaking honestly, it feels frustrating for those thinking about health care for the country to see this kind of unforced error that is only the administration's foult from your briefings and time at the white house today, is there any sense of why they messed up so thoroughly on something that is completely in their lane. it was not forced by other

efforts. >> they won't quite blame hhs, at the same time, there has to be some kind -- it's not clear officials at the white house who -- briefings in september seemed bullish and did not see this kind of website problem. remember a few weeks ago we were talking about how the website is working great, it's just the volume is so high. i think it's very clear that's not the case. it was not about volume. it was about website design. second problem, come back to what ari said. look at tem, a state they wanted rick perry to accept the medicaid funds. he declined. the argument was once the law is really working great in california or oregon, rick perry will feel pressured to expand medicaid. i don't think rick perry is feeling a lot of pressure to implement obama care in his state right now. that's where this sort of website stuff becomes a real public policy issue that affects real people in america. >> if not for the shutdown we could have spent all month on

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for a lot of americans it's been hard to feel like you can kind of get behind the men and women in washington lately. the dis information, infighting. wishing for the ones you could trust and ones you could respect, the lawmakers that built this country on honesty

and decency. their time is now because one of them has returned. dick cheney is back. >> you were instrumental in many big decisions for the country, including going into afghanistan and iraq. >> and terrorist surveillance program and enhanced interrogation. >> wiretapping, enhanced interrogation. you have had four heart attacks three catheterizations and bypass surgery, defib ril ator. did you worry about injure physical health impacting your cognition? >> no. >> not at all? >> no. >> his new book, being on the culting edge of every heart innovation and shoutout to the tea party along the way. >> you thought the tea party was a positive influence, do you still feel that way? >> i do, they raised issues that

an awful lot of americans care about. we have a terrible track record with spending, no one seems to be able to solve the problem. the good thing it's taking place within the republican party. i don't see it's a negative. it's better to have that turmoil and change in the republican party than it would be to have it outside. >> abby, when we're talking about dick cheney praising the tea party we have to keep the context in mind, number one, there is no greater d.c. establishment insider than dick cheney. he has been in washington basically forever. and the reason that he has to support the tea party now is that his daughter, liz cheney, is primary mike enzee in wyoming and she is trying to capture the tea party energy. she said when asked by the national journal who her allies would be in the senate, she said there are a number of younger senators i've been impressed with, ted cruz is one of them, mike lee is another one. so let's all cheer for liz cheney. that sounds great. >> it's incredibly disheartening

and this is why the tea party has control of the agenda because it all comes down to winning elections. you see moderate republicans aren't willing to step up when deep down i'm sure dick cheney has issues with the tea party, they are more concerned about their own election or daughter's election. >> the fringe controls the debate. >> this true but it's incredibly dangerous place for any organization to be. something i often talk about is the future of the republican party, something i care a lot about. i talk to folks all the time, young people, about the party. they will always say, i don't fit in today. it's the extreme right that really has control of the narrative. some that dick cheney said caught my attention. he said we have an obligation within the party to pass leadership to the next generation. what he seems to be missing when he says the tea party is actually a good thing for the party, is that the upcoming generation is very turned off by extreme politics. you look at the recent survey that came out nbc slbs esquire

survey, 50% of young people actually land right in the middle. they are more comfortable cross gs the line. i would say to mr. cheney, i wouldn't call it a weak, divided party controlled by the far right passing down leadership to the next generation, i was actually disheartened by that. >> the thing that disheartened me the most happened later when we saw how cheney manipulated his medical history to be in position to be vice president. let's roll that, the vice president with sanjay gupta. >> after speaking with cheney's cardologist, dr. cooley told the bush campaign that cheney was in good health with normal cardiac function. >> the normal cardiac function wasn't true. >> no, i'm not responsible for that. i don't know what took place between the doctors. >> this idea that you have this respected heart surgeon from texas, who didn't see you, didn't examine you and write something saying you had normal

cardiac function, that just wasn't true, mr. vice president. >> go ask deb cooley about that. >> the lies and due plisty began at the beginning. he was already manipulating -- >> don't ask me about that. >> don't ask me, sure. this man didn't tell his doctor, hey, just say what you got to say so i can get this job. later he says, the president asked me to be vice president, no, you were in charge of the search committee and you picked yourself. >> tour'e, can i nominate this for the please proceed governor. if you come in, did you eat my governor? go ask deb cooley. i'm in this interview but i'm not hear re to answer questions >> it brings back fond memories, just like i remember him. >> the other moment that we played that crystal played in the inelectro, when sanjay said here's controversial things and cheney jumps, don't for guest terrorist surveillance and --

>> you know what's so striking in the compact sentence, he's demeaning so much the cheney legacy. nothing is called by its fact yoll content. the terrorist surveillance program was a made up thing that they said after the fact to refer to what was actually warrantless wiretapping that several republicans, including robert mueller were willing to resign over because it was so illegal. eventually they brought it back into law. it was called warrantless wiretapping and torture. >> enhanced interrogation. >> and you have everything from the memo to the office of legal counsel memos which barack obama's administration had to withdraw because they were so unlawful in that torture regime. that goes to the saddest part, he's out on a book tour talking about his heart and medical breakthroughs, fine. but he's able to basically go in and aggressively talk about what

he did. he's never had to answer for overseeing and illegal torture program. that is to the great shame, not only of the bush administration but i think to our american system that allowed that failure. >> clearly so proud of what he did with waterboarding in particular, which we now know did not lead to the capture of bin laden. but they keep acting as it did bin laden. >> i call it bin laden -- >> wow. >> either way, it's okay. >> pronunciation, how good is your arabic. >> pretty tight. chinese is pretty good. >> i know we'll talk about this later, ted cruz by nearly 800 people this weekend. obviously dick cheney doll sistering their movement -- >> you earlier said something about mexico and it's actually

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beginning with a new era in new jersey, with governor chris christie's opposition out of the way, same sex couples began getting legally married just after midnight. cory booker helped perform the ceremonies and new jersey is the 14th state in america with marriage equality. the most high profile legal action since the financial crisis won't be the last from the justice department. jp morgan chase agreed to pay $13 billion for its role in the housing collapse.

experts warn additional setments with other big banks are down the road and the feds are still not rowling out affirmative action. reports that the nsa spied on more than 70 million french phone calls in one month. france is one of america's closest allies, the u.s. ambassador pledged to hold diplomatic talks with officials on this issue. last night in indianapolis, on sunday night football, the fans welcomed peyton manning of the broncos back to lucas oil field, the place peyton built. the qb who replaced peyton, led his team to a 39 p-33 win. >> did you have money on the game? >> i'm guessing it's you. >> afghan officials say four people are dead after a u.s. drone strike near the afghan/pakistan border, the fifth air strike over the past four days, coming amid several

reports criticizing the american drone program. at least 450 civilians have been kald by drones in pakistan and yemen since 2004 claiming the cia created an almost insurmountable obstacle to transparency on civilian deaths. one of the most comprehensive studies to date from a human rights perspective. mike madden, a former political consultant and screen writer with a ph.d. in political science, his new book is "drone", a fictional thriller. we'll talk about the book in a moment. first let's talk about drones extraordinarily controversial part of american policy. do you think drone policy makes us safer or is it making us less safe by radicalizing populations

or some combination of the two? >> there's no question that drones are a tremendous tool in the war on terror. and it's because they come loaded with packages of surveillance and weapons systems, but they also come loaded with pay load of moral irony. without a doubt, sending unmanned systems look a predator or reaper into harm's way, absolutely keeps american boots off the ground. you don't have a pilot in a prison camp to worry about or heaven forbid in a pine box to grief other. there's no question to say there are advantages, but the moral hazard is this, when you remove operators from the battle field you don't see the civilian casualties you're causing on the ground or the effects. if drones are seen as an inexpensive way to fight a war and politically inexpensive way to fight a war because you're not committing troops, making war more likely.

>> as tour'e pointed out, your book is a work of fiction, it features a pro nag in any event who is a specialist in drone weapons. how much does your book parallel with reality? >> i'm a fiction writer. and the joy of that profession, you get to make things up, when i started jumping into drone research, i was fascinated on the subject in general, i found out i really couldn't make up the systems i was discovering, that drones come in every shape and size under the water, on the water, on the air, on the land. so i conceded my book is every single drone system in my book is actually in development or deployed or prototype. because they are just amazing systems. >> part of that perspective seems to risk too much focus on the technology itself, right? i mean the book could be called bomb or rifle at a certain point. how much do you think the conversation and the policy debate should focus on the rules

around this? because one of the biggest problems with the initial targeted killing program was not just the killing or the weapon used in the killing, but was the fact we were going into countries where we never authorized force to do, to do lightweight operations but not bound by the rules of war we traditionally applied. >> you've hit the nail on the head. it's an absolutely great question. the reason why i wrote the book, as fascinating as the drone technology is and it is fascinating and drones -- it's a military tech know thriller, it fits in the genre. not necessarily the technology but how drones are changing the battlefield and changing us, changing our politics and culture and morals and changes laws. we're absolutely bearing the weight of that. >> absolutely. i have two questions for you. does israel use drones and if so, where and how? is that something that you're

comfortable with? >> well, israel first and foremost is a drone super power, without a question, israel is the number one exporter of drones around the world. even russia purchases their weapons systems although technically i think israel is exporting surveillance systems. half of all of israel's military air operations, half of those devoted to drone operations. just this past august, apparently it's been reported that israel used drones to take out five terrorists and rocket launcher and using them in surveillance operations over lebanon and syria. jordan gave them permission to use air space. israel is committed to the use of drones in war fare, referring to the report you talked about, is railingly drones may have been used with strikes within

pakistan. >> thank you very much. hillary makes her first campaign appearance since her stint at state. can anyone beat her in 2016? mike hirsch joins us next. across america people are taking charge

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republican politicians face more fallout for the government shutdown this weekend, some like ted cruz dug heels in and others backtrack. marco rubio said he never supported a shutdown. rubio is considered a presidential contender and his desire to run from the shutdown shows the direction some in the gop would like to move in. will the tea party let them? the next guest argues that they are paving the way for hillary clinton presidency if she runs. in the national journal, michael

hirsch writes, early 2016 contenders like paul ryan and marco rubio and rand paul. supplying the first fodder for those hillary 2016 attack ads, if she wants it, the broad center of american politics may well be hillary clinton's for the taking. making that the first campaign appearance in five years with another appearance tonight with bill de blasio. the latest piece, hillary clinton, welcome to the white house. welcome to you, michael. >> thanks very much, ari. >> absolutely. talk about why this is so good for husband, specifically hillary clinton, we were talking about it in the office, at this time in the last cycle before o

ma' obama won in '08 people hadn't heard of him. >> normally i would say it's ridiculous to talk about 2016 politics this early stage. i think the trend lines are becoming so clear and they are not changing, by which i mean hillary being head and shoulders above any other democratic candidate. there isn't really an abomb ma phenomenon on herrize zon. even 2007, 2006, barack obama was seen as a national rising force. you don't have someone with charisma, but probably not this cycle. you have the sense that if hillary wants it and we don't know whether she does, the nomination may be hers for the taking. on the other side you see increasing dysfunction, any candidate will have to go the route mitt romney did, to try to

outflank himself on the right and deny his past positions which might have been more moderate, someone like chris christie in new jersey. a relatively easy road for hillary clinton if she wants it. >> michael, let me push you on the prospects of hillary having an easy walk to the democratic nomination. mentioned elizabeth warren. she is someone is that excites the base. isn't there a danger for hillary that like in 2008, even though she hasn't announced her candidacy, that people are tired of her, ready to look to someone know and not wanting to go with the establishment and want to have someone that is more sort of in touch with the democratic base and has their finger on the pulse of democratic base at this moment, like elizabeth warren? >> look, there is always that danger. elizabeth warren could become the sort of left wing or liberal version of what any republican nominee faces on the right,

which is the ted cruz phenomenon. >> i don't know she's quite in ted cruz land but i hear what you're saying. >> representative of different side to the spectrum as far as an mating the base. there's always that possibility. i think hillary has such a record of accomplishment, four years as secretary of state and time in the senate, she's been building up to this for a long time. i think it would be quite a mountain to climb for a relative new comier like elizabeth warre. andrew cuomo or martin o'malley, governor of maryland, they could do well but the polls show, very, very decisively that she's really head and shoulders above them. it's very speculative to say this in 2013, talking three years ahead, but i would say if she sees the chance and doesn't

her campaign does not make mistakes it did in 2008 and they were substantial in terms of underestimating the fphenomenon she could have a easy walk into the white house. >> you're right, 2013, 2016, very speculative and early but there are things going on in america that you cannot deny. mostly the demographic trending of america, america is getting more brown, more hispanics, and white electorate has been shr k shrinking for three decades and that will make the gop road to the white house very, very difficult. especially when you have a party that as you say, whoever their nominee is will have to out cruise ted cruz, the folks in the autopsy, they have to win back, not just hispanics but blacks and gays and women as well. >> that's right. the demographic numbers, polling

suggests that the republican party is becoming more and more the party of aging white males, even republican strategists at the national level can see they can't win that way. the problem that the party has and many republicans will tell you this very frankly in private, is that policy agenda is being dictated at the sort of house district level where frankly any sort of scarlet red districts frankly many members don't care about the national struggles of the party and don't care about the presidential election in 2016. they care about 2014 and getting re-elected in their own districts. the only concern most have is getting outflan ked by someone on the right. you have this political dysfunction that is creating the situation where the party is not creating a bigger tent fast enough. marco rubio and others who are working on immigration, they saw the handwriting on the wall but unfortunately the extreme conservative base of the party pulled them back. >> the handwriting was in

spanish. >> very much so. i mean the numbers -- yeah. >> to that point, republicans are also very much planning on a hillary clinton run. no one is talking about besides this being a very early conversation is a world where she wouldn't run. for whatever reason hillary clinton decides not to run in 2016, obviously that would leave a huge void. how would this shake things up? would this this mean for not only democrats but also republicans? >> well, look, a better argument than the one i made, which is to sort of specify that hillary could gain the white house, the democrats on the odds have a better shot. because of demographic reasons we were talking about, because the republican party knows that it needs to build a bigger tent so it moves beyond the white senior vote, and moves -- regains some of the hispanic votes, long been said that the large portion of hispanic population in america is relatively conservative, would be willing to go republican but

not if you're taking this sort of extreme position on immigration, for example. so that was the whole reason why marco rubio tried to lead the way in pushing through an immigration reform bill to be stylemied by the house. that's what they need to get beyond. all of the trends i see are that the republicans aren't going to go there. relatively speaking, to get to your question, if it's not hillary or cuomo or elizabeth warren, i would say the odds would favor them over any republican nominee. >> before we let you go, real quick on economic policy. we saw senator mcconnell come out and say to republicans, we're not going to do the economic blackmail anymore. are we seeing that, however, from any leading conservative voices in the house? do you think there's actually a shift there? >> i really don't see that. again, if you look at the number of republicans in the house, 144, who voted against this latest shutdown and debt ceiling

deal. that indicates that john boehner has lost control of his caucus and not likely to regain in any time soon. the policy and politics will be largely dictated out of the house and other senators trying to steer the party back to the center, probably have to follow along and respond to that. whether or not we have a shutdown crisis the way we had this time, i don't know. i do think the tea partyers are not going away. >> all eyes will be on them as the next deadlines hit. thanks for spending time with us, michael. >> thanks for having me. >> we also ask you our facebook friends if they think hillary clinton's big weekend is a sign she's running for 2016. hillary looks so refreshed and ready. she's a tough cookie. i cannot wait. double exclamation points. she has found a campaign volunteer there, hillary has. head to the facebook page and join the conversation. up next, i need the text

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this morning the world was in a panic, facebook was down. you could not comment on pictures or send messages, people took to twitter demanding

answers. a website millions of people are trying to access simultaneously plagued with glitches, does that sound familiar? facebook is fixed but healthcare.gov is still struggling weeks after the launch. our time.org co-founder matthew seigle acknowledges that mill enials are having a tougher time finding jobs, she shouldn't be foolish enough to believe they could not get sick. 15% of young people aren't employed or in school. for many of them it means no health care and matt joins us now. it's great to have you. we know the website has a number of glitches it needs so sort out. but you're also dealing with young people who aren't necessarily known for their patience. how do you convince them to stick around a little longer? >> you tell them that within a massive bureaucracy, after

waiting for years to get insurance at an affordable rate with awe decent list of benefits that come with your insurance, that there are going to be kinks. as you just mentioned, we were all victims, many of us, of the facebook outages this morning, so we're pragmatic about this stuff. it's not the end of the world. >> you're also dealing with a perceived invisible, immortal generation, who only need something to cover a catastrophe, i don't want to pay for tour'e's hip replacement in five years. >> really? wow. >> that's actually prop gated by pundits without fact. 5% of mill enyals, it's not true. 90% want insurance. without question, if you're pragmatic, the affordable care

act helps you. 6.6 million people are on their parents health insurance plans. there are preexisting conditions who obviously will now be able to get insurance or more affordable insurance. and finally, if you enroll in the exchanges, you aren't just getting these catastrophic care plans that have a $10,000 deductible and the rest you pay out of pocket. you have decent preventative care, birth control, regular checkups. and that's going to save us all money. >> plus, nbc has great health care. so toure's hip replacement is already covered. >> really? really! wow. we're going to have a heck of a meeting affidavit show. >> matt, what about the concern, though, that specifically with young people, the website's problems are even harder for them to relate to? if you look at the numbers, we were looking at this today, for example. 18% of people under 30 actually work on their own website. 21% work on a website of others, much higher than any other age group. and fairly or not, these are folks who expect a certain

amount of internet sophistication and have high web literacy and they're looking and see the perception that the government isn't any good at it. does that concern you? >> ari, i have mid-level web literacy. and my organization's website, unfortunately, has crashed many times. and had glitches registering people to vote. i mean, that's common sense. it's part of the process. i actually think that there's a lot of fodder in washington, d.c., particularly from people who want to denigrate or sabotage obama care. but really, there are six more months to enroll oh. and what young people are actually needing to learn is how obama care will affect them. the biggest barrier we face is the fact that only 30% of millennials cite they understand the law, which means that politicians need to do a much better job of messaging, rather than just creating fear tactics. >> yeah. and, matt, i think you have been right to point out just how immoral and outrageous it is to

be spending money, trying to convince young people not to buy health insurance. that is just an unbelievable situation, especially from people who claim to care about personal responsibility. but i was hoping you could speak to sort of the overall perception of this law among young people, because one of the most widely touted and most popular provisions is allowing young people to stay on their parents' insurance until they're 26 years old. so is there in some way greater understanding and awareness of the benefits of this law among the younger generation? >> i think people get the preexisting conditions component. they like the insurance component, where you can stay on your parents' plan. and they know that they're not going to be affected if they have insurance through their employer. the hardest part is understanding these marketplaces, whether you get subsidies, i might add, most people will get subsidies who are low-income and under employed and in student loan debt. and for the wealthier millennials, quite frankly, they might have slightly higher premiums. but, you know, they're also going to get, like i said,

preventative care measures as part of the package. and that they didn't have beforehand. >> matt segal, thanks so much for joining us. >> my pleasure. >> up next, toure will not be talking about hip replacement, at least not yet. he'll talk about how the shutdown and the civil war are link linked. stick with us. ♪ care of business. they always have. they always will. that's why you take charge of your future. your retirement. ♪ ameriprise advisors can help you like they've helped millions of others. listening, planning, working one on one. to help you retire your way... with confidence. that's what ameriprise financial does. that's what they can do with you. ameriprise financial. more within reach.

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it's a scary group, they're very limited in their focus. and they don't really -- they don't believe in multiculturalism. and the diversity that's made america great. a lot of what i think we have seen, really, is race. >> the south is a place that has driven so much of america history from the secession that

launched our civil war to the anger that undergirded the ted cruz shutdown. the tea party has sympathyizers throughout the country but their caucus in the house is overwhelmingly southern. the four states with the most tea partiers in congress are texas, florida, louisiana and georgia. according to a recent study, half of white southerners are tea party supporters. that's why when the house voted on whether to end the shutdown, the south said no. white southern house members lodged 73 nays and just 18 yays. northern southern republicans were split with 71 nays and 69 yays. as michael lind said in salon, the tea party in congress is merely the old neo confederate southern right under a new label. the south has often responded to political differences with america by turning to nullification, toward states rights or dismantle the federal government rather than surrender local power. and you can almost understand why the southern urge toward nullification and destructive tactics is growing stronger at a time when so many of the trend

lines in american life are moving sharply against the south. the increasing urbanization of america and ourty klining rural population. and the browning of america, which is moving us unquestionably toward a minority/majority nation and the declining place of religion in american life. all of those are challenges to the south's power and is way of life. all of them disadvantage the south, which used to be the region that picked our presidents. the southern strategy helped elect nixon, reagan and the first bush and the only answer dems had in those years was to nominate a southerner. but in the last two elections, the south has not gotten its way and there hasn't an a southerner on the ballot. demographic trends suggest more ahead, perhaps leaving the south left behind and wanting to stop the train. but the conservative political impair actives around entitlement reform on which we can place opposition to obama care and beating back immigration reform and curtailing abortion rights and holding a line against gay rights and voting rights, so much flows from the south's history of maintaining racial inequality and reveling in deep religiousty.

reagan, the movement of conservatism, named our prime domestic enemies the welfare queen and the crack king pin, the lazy black taker and the fear some black super predator, both of whom want to live off your hard-earned dollars. now, in the battle against obama care, we have new people to protect against. folks aiming to ruin that good old fashioned american way of life that's been eroding for years. their frustration and anxiety has led to the south once again breaking the social social contract of governance and you move on peacefully. and given the depth of the reasons why they're doing that, kro expect these battles, which are very old, to end any time soon. that does it for us. it's time for martin bashir. >> thank you, toure. good afternoon. it's monday, october the 21st. you want to call it obama care? well, the president of the united states will go one better.