getting back into the game. he's readying a bill that would delay the next big phase of obama care because of the issues with the site. >> i think every week that goes by it becomes apparent that the problems inherent in the way this website operates are significant. i think it's going to be very difficult to reverse this in a number of weeks. >> health and human services secretary kathleen sebelius will go to capitol hill next week to testify about the rollout. that's not stalling the calls for her resignation, something the white house has flatly dismissed. >> it shouldn't be about having heads roll or firing people. not focused on making heads roll. that's not the time right now to focus on that. the time is to get these problems fixed. >> joining me right now is msnbc policy analyst and "washington post" columnist, ezra klein. as we're talking about, the republicans aren't the only ones taking a shot at the healthcare.gov website. i want to read some of the headlines we've been seeing around the country calling it

horrendously botched, frustrated millions and pointing out the need for swift reparis. here's dana milbanks. he writes not since the ginsu knife cut through an alum numb can and still sliced a tomato has america seen the pitch quite like the one president obama delivered in the rose garden on monday. and then john's take on the whole thing. take a look. >> give it to us straight dot gov, how bad is it? >> according to a poll by the associated press, fewer than one in ten people who tried to sign up in the first week were actually able to complete the process. that's a success rate of less than 10%. >> oh, my god. how low is it? according to a recent poll, more of this country believes obama care has been repealed than have been able to sign up for obama care. >> all right. so does the administration, ezra, need to give a daily update? zeke emanuel suggesting they

need to be very transparent about how it's going on with the website. >> should they? maybe they should. do they need to? no, they don't need to. i think one thing i think i've been as hard on them as anybody. i think this rollout has been completely botched. i think the website has been in bad shape. although it is, and this is really important to say, it is actually betting better. i just did by daily try and got right through account signup no problem. the front end traffic problems really have been abating. what we don't know is how bad the back end problems are and the handshake with the insurers. but it is worth saying. what matters is not get what gets hit today or tomorrow or whether or not they do a daily dashboard on whether or not the tech is getting better. it is whether in two or three or four weeks it is actually better. this thing ultimately because it is now a law and not just kind of a political abstraction in washington, this will get jujds on whether it works for the americans trying to use it. in the end there's no level of messaging or strategy on ooit

t either side that will obscure the law on working or failing. >> so there is the one-month sprint from the white house on this. because we've got december fitfitc15th the last day people can enroll to have insurance start on january 1, it's always assumed the healthy young americans would begin purchasing insurance around december the 1st. if we look at the calendar and consider those dates, can the site be fixed in four weeks or should the administration delay the deadlines for americans. >> so there are a couple of things here. one is that the deadlines are actually -- the deadline to worry about is at the end of march. so that is the deadline to get your -- or in the middle of march. that is the deadline to buy insurance before the individual mandate kicks in. whether or not folks buy by december 15th to get to january 1st, that's only about getting your insurance to begin as quickly as possible. if somebody doesn't care that much about that, then there's not like a reason for the law that they need to be in there already. the question is are they buying insurance before they have to pay the individual mandate.

they can extend that open enrollment period a little bit and there are other tricks they can do but can't extend that much out. the experts we're talking to, my colleague did a great piece on this. the experts say really this needs to be back up and really running, really usable by thanksgiving. if they go much past that, you've gone to a point where people don't have enough time to set up and you might get into a situation where a lot of the young healthy people you needed to be in to keep premiums down they end up paying the individual mandate because they came once or twice or three times, it was a hassle and eventually got turned off. so they need to get it back up in about a month. whether they can, that's the thing. none of us really know. >> so it is really the young, healthy set that needs to get enrolled to keep the premiums low. that's what it's dependent upon to level the playing field here. meanwhile, this is the stwins ill generation that we're trying to get their attention. the people that don't think they're going to need health insurance or going to be sick or don't think about things older

set normally think about. politico is trying to set the agenda for what kathleen sebelius will be asked during next week's hearing. what's actually gone wrong with the health care site. what will it be fixed, how bill the administration delay the individual mandate, how many people have enrolled, why didn't the white house have a good backup plan. this is what they're saying they will not be asking of her. i disagree with that. i think they're going to go right for her with those tough questions to say who was advising the president on this? who was letting him think that october 1 that they were going to be ready for this? >> yeah, i think they should be very tough on secretary sebelius. look, there was a management failure. and from my reporting, i know the white house didn't know. i don't even actually think secretary sebelius knew how bad it was. i think in not only in hhs but in the centers on medicare and medicaid services, which is where a lot of this effort was located, there was simply a shading of the bad news. a lot of people were keeping bad news from superiors or superiors were keeping it from their superiors. people were afraid to deliver tough truth to the folks above

them. that is a management failure that is on this white house, it is on this secretary of health and human services, it is on the head of cms, and that will have to be answered for. but to carney's point that you had in the beginning of this, what they need to do now is fix it. there will be a time for accountability and i would not prejudge how that will come down. but what they need to do now is fix it. if i could, thomas, just one quick point on the young invincibles. i would push on this a little bit in that we have a lot of polling. folks that are younger, they want insurance but what typically stops them is they can't afford it. so the question isn't whether young people want insurance because they do, they have that value already. the question is whether young people who make a lot less than older people and don't get good offers of employer-based insurance, whether or not it is affordable enough under the law and easy enough to sign up for that they will ultimately pull the trigger and buy that plan. >> it's the linchpin of getting their attention to that website. ezra, great to have you on, sir, thank you. joining me now, maryland

republican congressman andy harris who serves on the house appropriations committee and the health and human services subcommittee. sir, it's good to have you here. the rollout was flawed. the desire, the need for affordable health care in this country, americans want it because we know from the latest poll finding out 46% of voters support obama care, 66% say the law should stand. meanwhile the views of the republican party are at an all-time low with a 63% unfavorable rating. do you think that it's politically smart of senator rubio to offer up another bill to delay the health care law right after the disaster over the shutdown with the health care law? >> oh, absolutely. obama care is still foremost on the minds of a lot of americans, not only those that are having trouble getting on the exchanges but those that don't have to get on the exchanges who are getting their premium increase notices. many people, the policies that they have had for years, they're getting notices they can't get them anymore and the new policies are 50%, sometimes 100, 150% more than the older ones.

>> when we look at what's happened, there are republicans that are getting mired down in the challenges overlooking the long term benefits. as we've seen in your own state like maryland and also in states like kentucky, there have been great surnls for signup. i just want to play a small part of kentucky's governor, what he had to say about what's going on in their state this morning. >> let me just give some unsolicited advice to the critics and honestly to the news media. take a deep breath. you know, this system is going to work. the only thing that really isn't working right now on the federal level is the website. i'll guarantee you that whether it's a week from now, a month from now, two months from now, they'll get it up and they'll get it working. people will be signing up. >> he's talking specifically about kentucky. if we look at your home state of maryland, approximately three-quarters of a million people are uninsured. tens of thousands have created their accounts already and this

is because the governor there, martin o'malley, accepted the law and started the program through a state-run exchange so clearly there's an interest in the aca. wouldn't you agree that it's worth the rideout of the growing pains to get this figured out? >> look, in maryland, for instance, they're just over 2,000 people that have signed up which is half of what was projected so it's not -- the computer system isn't working in maryland either, the sign-up. but again it's not just that -- it's not just affecting people who can't sign up on the websites, it's affecting people who are getting premium increases and employers who are now afraid that the employer mandate will kick in a year from now. remember, the president only delayed the employer mandate tax, not the individual mandate tax. next year is going to be very rocky for businesses and the economy as the second shoe drops. >> but isn't that the time -- isn't that the time necessary to get people in? again, this is trying to make health care affordable and accessible to those americans among us who do not have it or who have not been able to afford it. i know as a doctor yourself and

what you've seen through your years coming up, don't you agree, though, that more americans would benefit from having lower premiums and our premiums are based on how many people are insured? and most of us have been getting our premiums raised because of the uninsured that show up in the emergency rooms. >> but we're getting our premiums raised now as the affordable care act goes into place. remember, the president said the families will pay $2500 a year less and this year according to the kaiser study they paid $2500 more for their insurance. this is all in anticipation of the increased risk pooling with obama care because i have to disagree with you. i don't think young people are going to buy the insurance. you know, in maryland, the cost went up 50% for young people. even if you get a subsidy, you're still paying more than you were before. >> but with the mandate that's included in all of this, there is the encouragement there, and we've seen how this works in massachusetts. there is a state, there is a place where this has been working since 2006 where nearly 100% of the people there, children and adults, are

insured. and they don't have the harsh problems that are being discussed in other states, you know, as we're seeing where the rollout has had its hiccups. massachusetts is a prime example of where this actually works. >> well, you know, the problem in massachusetts is that the health care premiums are going up. i know from my physician colleagues who are leaving the state because they're trying to squeeze the reimbursement. you're not able to see the physician who you want to see. that's how costs savings are done. and again, the president promised you can see -- you know, if you like your doctor, you can see them. but in maryland, you can't even go online and tell whether your doctor is on the plan you're signing up for. it's that big of a computer glitch. even the lieutenant governor said maryland had a stumble. i would say that's being very generous. >> but don't you think that with doctors, and as you're talking about in massachusetts, there is a way and not through volume billing but through value billing and to make sure that people are charged properly for the needs of their medical concerns that there is a way to make this system work?

>> here's the problem. it's the government deciding your value. what's valuable to you. if you like your physician and the government says that your physician is not providing value to you, it doesn't make a difference what your opinion is. your physician is going to be paid less. they probably won't be in the plan that you're in and you probably won't be able to see your physician. >> congressman andy harris, sir, thanks for making time for me today. >> my pleasure. >> the conversation will continue on this for sure a long time to come. this leads us to our big question for you today. should hhs secretary kathleen sebelius be held responsible for the problems with the healthcare.gov website? share your thoughts on twitter and facebook. he was aiming his gun right at my chest and i looked at the gun and my chest like he's going to shoot me. so then i turned around and i ran. >> a shooting at our school. >> the young survivor of a school shooting recounting the instant he decided to make a run for it. more on the attack and the teacher who paid the ultimate price to save the children in his care. also ahead, the first post shutdown jobs report delayed for

two weeks because uncle sam was closed for business. what, if anything, did it reveal about the state of america's economy? we'll break that dwoun jared bernstein who joins me next.

the jobs report for september delivered late because of the government shutdown. the labor department is saying that employers added 148,000 jobs, worse than expected. unemployment fell to 7.2%. house speaker john boehner used the report to take a spot at obama care. at the higher costs and rising premiums of obama care on top of disappointing jobs numbers and underwhelming wage growth and you have a recipe for economic stagnation. republicans are going to continue to work to stop the president's health care law. joining me now is jared bernstein, former chief economist and economic policy adviser to vice president joe biden. jared, good to have you here. so the data that was gathered

before the shutdown, so these numbers aren't exactly affected by it, correct? >> yep, that's right. >> just the delay in getting them to us. >> that's right. it's weird for you and i to be talking about this on a tuesday but that's yet another -- >> ripple effect. >> another result of the shutdown. importantly, these data are not directly affected by all those furloughs that took place in the first half of october. so while there is considerable weakness in this report, i think part of the bad news is that we would certainly expect october to be even weaker. >> all right. so as we look at the unemployment numbers, can you explain how this number went down, even though the number of jobs created was down? >> yeah. that's easy. it comes from two different surveys. and the surveys don't always give you exactly the same results. although in this case they were actually more similar than different. 148,000 jobs on the payroll side, and that's where you actually go to establishments, to places of business and say how many people work here?

well, you clearly can't find out the number of unemployed if you're talking to work places. for that you have to do a household of surveys and that's where the unemployment information comes from. that also showed a bit of job growth and that took the unemployment rate down a tick. but i think the important thing is not only is job growth low, but it's desell rating. and that's a symptom not of obama care. all of that is nonsense. by the way, there were so many misleading statistics from the republican congressman you just interviewed about the premiums. premium costs always go up. the question is are they going up more quickly or are they going up more slowly. in fact thanks to obama care when you factor in the subsidies for many people they're growing more slowly. >> and it was interesting trying to talk to the congressman about leveling the playing field there of the involvement of getting people insured then lowers the rate for everybody across the

board so that the uninsured, that's why our premiums go up as well, because the uninsured show up in emergency rooms without insurance so all of us then end up paying for that. eugene robinson, though, i want to get back to this about the job numbers because he has an op-ed that says we have to stop paying lip service and start taking action on the jobs, jobs, jobs agenda that everyone claims to support, republicans and democrats alike. do you think that's possible amid the continuing political instability and the fact that john boehner looks at this and directly ties it to the aca right away? >> absolutely. i read gene's piece. i really liked it. i think i wrote a similar piece a few days ago. i think the answer to your question is unfortunately probably not. what gene was saying was not only that we should be paying more attention to the job market but also look at where we pivoted right after this debacle of the shutdown and the debt ceiling, right back to a discussion of deficits and debt without hardly a breather to talk about the real economy. and you're absolutely right.

one of the reasons, i would say the primary reason we're stuck in the kind of slog we see in these job reports month to month is not just policy neglect by congress, but actually doing a lot to create the kind of fiscal drag, that is the kinds of policies that are slowing growth. so it's actively hurting the economy. >> the fiscal drag. i like that. thank you, sir. so the global mystery over the girl known simply as maria, the missing children's cases that are getting a fresh look after her discovery. that's coming u -- up. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ i ♪ know i can't deny... ♪ that i got a new feeling

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you're at sparks middle school? >> yes. he shot again. >> that was a chilling 911 call recorded moments after a 12-year-old boy opened fire on the playground of his nevada middle school yesterday morning. now police are seeking a motive behind the tragic shooting that left teacher michael landsberry, who was a former marine, and the unidentified boy dead and two students now recovering from their gunshot injuries. earlier on the "today" show, one student described just how close he came to being a victim himself. >> we looked back towards where we saw the noise and then we see the kid pull out his gun and shoot the kid in the arm. so then they started running and i froze, because he was aiming his gun right at my chest. i looked at the gun and my chest like he's going to shoot me. so then i turned around and i ran. i heard a gunshot and i thought he shot me. then i looked back and he shot a kid in his leg, arm and stomach.

>> so what more do we know about this teacher who made the absolute sacrifice? joe fryer is in sparks, nevada. joe, what's the latest? >> reporter: well, many are calling that teacher a fallen hero. it was just over 24 hours ago students were arriving for another day of school. police say that's when a student showed up with a semiautomatic handgun and opened fire. there were 20 to 30 witnesses. many say it was teacher mike landsberry who stepped in, risking his own life, to save others. >> he was telling him to stop and put the gun down. and then the kid, he yelled out no, like yelling at him, and then he shot him. he was calm and he was holding out his hand like put the gun in my hand, like to just stop. >> landsberry died at the scene. two students were also shot. one was hit in the abdomen, one was hit in the shoulder. police say both are expected to survive. landsberry -- i'm sorry, the

suspect, the young boy whose name has not been released shot and killed himself at the scene. at this point police do not know the motive behind the shooting. they say it all happened very quickly, the entire event from beginning to end lasted about three minutes. thomas. >> nbc's joe fryer reporting for us. joe, thanks so much. here's a look at some other stories topping the news now. the main commuter train system in the san francisco bay area is running limited service this morning after b.a.r.t. and union officials reached a tentative deal. that ends a four-day strike but still has to be ratified. high winds and hot weather could cause more trouble for more than 2,000 firefighters working fast and furiously to contain massive fires in australia. one person has died, more than 200 homes have been destroyed. the three women held hostage inside a cleveland house for more than a decade are telling their story. amanda berry and gina dejesus have signed a book deal. meanwhile the third survivor, michelle knight, recently sat down for an interview with dr. phil. that interview airs in three parts early next month.

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so we've been talking a lot about the latest polls showing

republican favorability hitting an all-time low. now one republican judge in texas said he had enough of his own doparty. carlo key saying he will run for re-election as a democrat and had some choice words for the gop. >> i can no longer be a member of the republican party. for too long the republican party has been at war with itself. make no mistake, i have not left the republican party, it left me. i cannot tolerate a political party that demeans texans based on their sexual orientation, the color of their skin or their economic status. >> joining me right now is judge key. he wants to talk about that decision to switch parties. sir, it's good to have you here. in this announcement you say that pragmatism and principle have been overtaken by pettiness and bigotry. you also talk about hate speech in reference to the homophobic remarks that were caught on audio tape back in august.

had you already decided to make the switch and was that just the last straw and was there an option to come out as an independent and not switch to the democratic side altogether? >> you know, i think first in regards to whether or not you can run as an independent, when you look at the history, i don't know if an independent has even run. it's very rarely done. the elisa chan incident really was one of the last straws. as a lot of people know who have run in a primary race, you have to get out there and campaign. one of those things that i had to do was there was a news conference in which councilwoman chan was supposed to answer some hard questions. the republican party made an effort to go out there and support her and to be honest, i got in my car and i just could not do it. i could not go to that event. i'd say, yes, that hate speech was one of the things that really convinced me that i noded to consider my values and

whether the republican party -- >> well, i was going to say it's bad news with your departure from the republican party and on a number of fronts here because they lose a promising young politician, a prominent hispanic. do you feel like your state is falling more into the hands of politicians like ted cruz, who seem to really gather all the headlines? >> well, i would say down here in texas, especially in south texas, in 2010 the tea party was growing. and now obviously it's become very strong. it's become a problem in our country. and, you know, the effects of the shutdown show it. and that's just not reason in my opinion. >> when we talk about, you know, certain hot button issues, we have abortion, voting lights, lgbt rights, why is it texas seem to be such a hot bed of controversy on those topics? >> honestly i don't know. you know, i'm not a political adviser, i'm not a political expert, i'm a judge. so it's difficult to say. i can tell you that the divide is growing more and more.

that reason and -- you know, people in the middle may not fit in the republican party. maybe across the nation most especially where i am here locally. >> who would the republican party need to demonstrate to you to win you back? >> compassion. there's a lot of anger, there's a lot of hate. i haven't seen any of it. on one side of their mouth they say that we need the hispanic vote. on the other hand, they look at the dream act and decide that maybe that needs to be changed. and those -- you know, they're contrary to each other. they're not consistent. and so i would need to see action. i think action speaks louder than words. >> judge carlo key. sir, thanks for your time. we western you the best of luck in your re-election. >> thank you very much. fear and loathing, new numbers show it looks like a lot of republicans don't like republicans. as we just saw there from the judge. plus repeal and replace, almost half of americans want current members out of congress. those are today's hot topics for our agenda today.

gang, it's great to have you all here. steve, i want to start with you. we look at "usa today" and the polling show that 47% would think congress would work better if most seats were replaced. was the volatility of the shutdown and debt ceiling fact having more impact, more ripple effect than those would have expected on the right? >> i definitely think so. i was thinking this morning about a quote from ted cruz in august. he said he thought a tsunami of support if the republican party followed his lead n looking back, i guess he was right. the wave kind of affected congress in ways that he didn't really care for. i absolutely think that these polls show that the american public is angry, they're frustrated and they're turning against the gop, whom they blame for the shutdown, for the debt ceiling crisis, and i think there's a real challenge for the republican party looking ahead. how are they going to get back on track after having created this huge fiasco that they

should have seen coming but didn't. >> it's a tsunami sea change in the other direction for those on the right. so lee, you mentioned recent polling that shows republican committee chairs who were vulnerable to challenge particularly in michigan, california, wisconsin and florida. last week politico said 14 house seats could shift toward the democrats. with that momentum, do you think it will hold and translate to a shift of power in the house come 2014? >> i think it's certainly possible, thomas. this usa today poll that shows that americans would like to replace congress shows deep public dissatisfaction with speaker boehner's leadership. and i think it ties in well with this moveon.org poll that shows even with the most gerrymandered republican congress, democrats have a shot at taking back the house. almost half a dozen republican committee chairman are vulnerable next year.

and what some liberal bloggers are upset about is that the democratic party committee that's dedicated to making these campaign decisions has not taken on these committee chairmen. some argue because the dccc is an inherently deserve afternoon organization that shy away from high-profile races. they prefer more blue dog conservative democrat candidates. the other argument is that these republican committee chairmen have access to almost unlimited campaign cash. they can hit up the different corporations that fall under their jurisdiction. buck mckeon is very corrupt, very unpopular and would lose to a generic democrat if the election were held today. the problem is, as head of a committee that oversees the military, he can go to the different defense contractors and raise a lot of cash and that makes a lot of democratic party leaders nervous about taking him on.

>> money talks. let me just show everybody the dnc outraised the rnc last month for the first time. the usa today poll also shows among republicans an those who lean republican 52% think congress would be better off if those seats were replaced. i know you've done a lot of reporting on the tea party. are those numbers a sign of the growing divide among republicans? most of the vulnerable republicans are worried about losing their seats but being primaried from the right, from the tea party. >> the tea party strategy has been very much to either actually run candidates or to cut deals with more moderate republicans and say if you don't move further to the right, we will run a candidate against you. in some ways we live in an increasingly one-party democracy. what i mean by that is when you look at everything from cities to congressional districts, there are often parties that dominate completely. all you have to do is win the primary to survive.

so in that case, the tea party has pursued what is a very logical and powerful strategy of not just running candidates, but even the threat will often move existing republican party members to the right. and so it will be very curious to see if we see a move to the right by some of the existing, more moderate republicans in congress. >> fear and intimidation is an interesting motivator. guys, thanks so much for your time. i appreciate it. you can find more from our panel on our website, msnbc.com/thomas-roberts. today's producer picks, oil rig workers lip synching toto's "africa." ♪ i hear the drums echoing tonight, cheers only whispers of some quiet conversation ♪

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have a chronic health condition like depression, diabetes and asthma. joining me now is leslie morgan steiner, a survivor of domestic violence and rose stuckey kirk, president of the horizon foundation. ladies, it's great to have you here. leslie, for those watching at home if you have kids in the room, this is a sensitive topic and so i want to caution parents out there. but allegedly your husband attacked you five days before your wedding. according to you, choking you and doing it so hard, leaving marks around your neck. you say you experienced everything from beatings to being thrown down the stairs. you say that he even threatened you with guns. so explain how you were able to get away from that situation and then go on to find the strength to be as outspoken as you are on your personal experience. >> well, you know, i was only in my early 20s when i was married and it was a four-year marriage. i experienced really incredible

physical violence during the marriage. and during the whole time i never thought about the short-term damage. i was too focused on surviving, understandably, and getting out. and i ended that relationship over 20 years ago, rebuilt my life. i wrote a best-selling memoir, "crazy love" about the experience. i had a talk about relationship violence. during that whole time, it never once occurred to me that i might be suffering from long-term physical damage due to the violence i experienced in my 20s, until i was contacted by moore magazine and the verizon foundation for this incredibly important study. >> it would make sense that there is a ptsd aspect involved with all this. rose, i know the survey that you all did found 76% of women say they have never been asked about domestic violence during a medical exam. i know you've pointed out you have a personal connection to domestic violence, so explain for us how you witnessed the connection between domestic violence and also chronic health

issues. >> yeah. so my sister was absolutely a victim of domestic violence and she suffered from a chronic health condition kaurcalled sarcodosis. i think it points to the fact that oftentimes victims of domestic violence even years later when they get out of that situation are suffering chronic illnesses and chronic conditions that may not be related back to those incidents of violence, strangulation and the impact that it has on really impacting your blood flow to your brain, which later on can cause short-term memory losses. so emphasis here is on how do we train health care professionals to really focus on that linkage and how do we get people who are victims to bring that forward to their health professionals to help them understand that that connection is there. >> you know, obviously we're trying to bring awareness by having this conversation right now, also by having domestic violence awareness month. and, leslie, all those years ago during this experience, this

failed marriage, this abusive marriage that you had, we didn't have the scale of conversations that we're having now, the conne conne connectivity that we can have between people sharing their experiences and their hope. did your health care provider ever ask you any questions about what you were going through and do you feel now with a connection being made are you optimistic that this can be something that health care professionals will look at more? >> i am extremely optimistic, especially because of research such as the study by moore and verizon. i was not asked at the time ever about whether i was a victim of domestic violence. i think if i had been asked, i might have been in so much denial that i couldn't have admitted it. but i'm really optimistic today because this is how we end relationship violence by talking about it, by researching it, by studying it, by making sure that everybody from police officers to health care professionals to

family court judges understands that one of the biggest traumas of relationship violence is the long-term physical effects that victims experience. >> and shame being such a large by-product of any abuse survivor and the act of actually admitting it is so hard for so many people to recognize themselves as being a victim, and then trying to figure out how they can change their situation. rose, as we look at the fight in washington over health care, i want to point out that the screening and counseling for domestic violence, they're covered under the aca. so what do you say to certain republican lawmakers that would want to throw the baby out with the bath water, so to speak, over the whole obama care situation? >> you know, i don't necessarily have a message for the republican party or the democratic party. my message is really about how do we take ownership of the fact that there is this relationship between domestic violence and chronic illnesses, that our practitioners need to be trained to screen for that so that people can lead healthy and fulfilled lives. and the work that we're doing with the verizon foundation extends into work with the

robert wood johnson organization to actually screen physicians so that we can teach people how to do it. so it really isn't about politics, it's really about the fact that partner violence is real. one in four women will be a victim of domestic violence in her lifetime and we have an obligation to make that connection between chronic illnesses and domestic violence and help people get the screening and help that they need. >> men are also victims as well. >> absolutely. >> but it's also about raising good people that aren't going to institute this kind of behavior on a loving partner. >> you're absolutely right. >> i want to thank both of you, rose, leslie, thank you for sharing your story and all of the work that you've been doing to forward the conversation. we appreciate it. >> thank you. so we asked and you answered. question, should kathleen sebelius, being the health and human services secretary, be held responsible for the flaws with the rollout of healthcare.gov? one said my wife hired a contractor to repair the roof. it still leaks. do i hold her responsible for

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greek authorities a little girl ended up living with a roma couple, the little girl, maria, is not by logically related to the husband and wife. she was found in a drug raid in the roma town in greece. nbc's michelle kosinski joins us with the details on this. what have the authorizes said so far about this little girl and what have they found out about trying to trace her natural

background. >> that's exactly what they are trying to do. the couple is in jail still where they might be for several months pending trial. they are accused of abduction among other things. the child maria is in the care of a charity. what's interesting about this is basically a case not of a missing child but a found one. under strange circumstances. although, in this case, she actually might be both. so what police have done here with the help of interpol is ask the world, is there anybody out there, could this little girl be your missing child. they put the call out. they have gotten an enormous response they say that overwhelmed them. 10,000 calls and e-mails. some of them promising leads, some of those from the u.s. saying my child is missing. is it possible this could be her. so what they want to know is how did this couple come to get the young girl. we know through the couple's attorney they say a bulgarian woman gave the baby willing to

them under completely benevolent circumstances that they agreed to raise the child, that they love the child. also police want to know, is it possible, among many other possibilities they are looking at that this could be linked to some kind of child trafficking ring. thomas. >> nbc's michelle kosinski reporting for us in greece. thanks so much. that will wrap it up for me. thanks for your time. i'll be back at 2:00 eastern filling in for tamron. now alex wagner next. >> glitches, the white house looks to reboot. discuss howard rendell, howard fineman, jonathan capehart. ted cruz's mission to alienate gop establishment and almost everybody else. the latest schisms in the republican party and discuss the battleground in virginia. all that when "now" starts right after this. [ male announcer ] for the original salon genius,

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probably like to hit control alt delete, but can he? it's tuesday october 22nd and this is "now." three weeks in and a semi if not entirely disastrous launch of the website is causing some on the left to worry about a self-inflicted wound that might shift the winds again. >> the obama administration should be clearly criticized for this. i frankly resent it. i worked hard for this health care bill. i had doubts about political statement and i think we got it right. i regret remuch giving the right wing this kind of ammunition. >> the left unlike the right seems willing to hold its own accountable. a necessary distinction. nobody disputes the idea that a site like healthcare.gov is a working idea and