president obama imploring volunteers to help spread the word about obama care. so overnight he released this video through organizing for action. that's his grassroots group, to talk about what's going on with the health care rollout. >> by now you've probably heard that the website has not worked as smoothly as it was supposed to. but we've got people working overtime in a tech surge to boost capacity and address the problems. even as we boost our efforts to get the site working as well as we're supposed to, we're boosting our efforts to make sure folks can still buy the same quality affordable insurance plans the old-fashioned way, either over the phone or in person. >> now, as for when the president knew the site wasn't working, health and human services secretary kathleen sebelius says not until after the october 1st rollout. >> i think it became clear fairly early on, the first couple of days -- >> so not before that though? not before october 1st there was no concern at that point either in the white house or at hhs?

>> i think that we talked about having testing going forward and if we had an ideal situation and could have built a product in a five-year period of time, we probably would have taken five years, but we didn't have five years. >> with the december 15th deadline looming to get signed up for coverage starting january 1st, there's not much time to get this fixed. the white house is bringing in jeffrey zeinst to do it. he's a former budget official, former corporate executive. he's done this before. he turned around the cash for clunkers website and the g.i. benefits computer system. today house democrats will get a briefing on obama care. let me bring in our company. matt welch, irin carmon, national reporter for msnbc.com. good to see both of you. good morning. >> good morning. >> the administration, i think, has kind of a fine line to walk. they have got to acknowledge, obviously, that there are problems here shall but irin they also want to stay positive.

how are they doing? >> a lot of people expected president obama to be apologizing but he's robustly defended the afford kaable care act. it's the october 1st deadline was demar katd as things coming into effect and a lot of the other provisions, suches athe preventive care and being on your parents until you're 26, they rolled out quietly. even people who are rooting for obama care to succeed, who agree with its goals in getting uninsured people covered are disappointed, so a lot is going to depend on the next few weeks and whether they're able to get this in line. >> he came on this program, ezekial emanuel. he writes a piece in "the new york times" about how to get this fixed. starting now the administration needs to initiate a concerted effort to win back the public's trust. there should be twice weekly briefings that feature honest and complete descriptions of

both the problems and solutions that the tech team is working on in all the gory detail. we need to hear from these best and brightest experts who president obama has enlisted in the tech surge. transparency is the only way to convince the american people that the situation is under control. seems to me, matt, that he does have -- the administration, the president, obama care have a couple of problems. one is transparency, messaging, however you want to put it, the other is, frankly, technical. >> the technical is ultimately more important, the actual performance is more important than giving two briefings a week so we can see more people behind the president who may or may not have coverage trotted out as great examples. and the technical problem is very, very important and pressing upon us. these deadlines -- it's not just a matter of it's not working well for a couple of weeks. if these deadlines are not met and people cannot sign up, it throws the whole system into jeopardy right here. the thing that ezekial emanuel said, here's a guy who helped

build this, he pointed out what newspapers have pointed out, which is we've seen political decisions get in the way of this thing rolling out well. the white house deliberately delayed a lot of specs in this program because they didn't want to give republicans something to chew on. any time you have a system that is so big from the government it's going to get politicized. when you politicize stuff, it means that you're not being efficient with the rollout and not putting the customer first. >> how much of a problem was that? >> i think also the problem is the federal exchanges being burdened by so many more people than expected because for political reasons, a lot of governors refused to set up their own exchanges. one of the great success stories is in states like california, new york, maryland, kentucky, where they have set up the state exchanges, people have been able to sign up. so i think it's possible to overstate how much of this was a delay. i think it's true that they weren't sufficiently focused on the technical aspects, but the point is the substantive people being able to sign on for these plans, these plans covering a

lot more than they did before. if they're able to clear these hurdles then we'll all be looking back and saying that was funny. >> let me bring in congressman adam kensinger a republican from illinois and he is the on the committee who will be questioning kathleen sebelius next week. good to see you. >> thanks, chris. it's good to be here. >> let me start where we left off. i think many members of the administration wish they could have a do-over, they wish the rollout have gone out more smoothly but have republicans been part of the problem. in particular, republican governors who have really been naysayers, refused to set up exchanges. is there enough blame to go around everywhere? >> well, you can always say that, but i mean the reality is the supreme court, who obviously the president likes to point out upheld this law as constitutional, also said that governors have a right for exempt their states. so that's going to be a state politics issue. from the bigger perspective, right now just when we're dealing with the small issue of the website, it's still half a billion dollars that the american people basic el have

spent with more money spent to fix this. so i think there's a real concern of, look, yeah, i get that it's just a website, but this is the first part of a bigger rollout. if the website can't be done correctly, what else is going to follow. so i think americans have legitimate questions, legitimate concerns as both sides of the aisle are saying. hopefully next week -- or hopefully tomorrow we can get to the bottom of this with some of the folks that have helped develop this website. >> i want to ask you about both of those because they're going to be two separate hearings. as you say tomorrow some of the technical people involved in this, kathleen sebelius next week. she was asked some questions yesterday and here's what she had to say about the rollout problems. >> nobody says the site is working the way we want it to. people are frustrated with a website, but the product is there. the prices are good. it will not sell out and the prices won't change. >> if these glitches can be fixed and it looks like somebody

with a history, jeff zienst, with a history of coming into situations like this and getting them up and running again fairly quickly and pretty successfully is going to be doing that, is this now an opportunity to see how this really is working? as you say, this isn't just about a website, the point is to get people who aren't insured to have insurance. >> sure. what's the next step after this is fixed. is it successful? this is obviously what differentiates the arguments of democrats and republicans have said we think that it's basically destined to fail. democrats think that it's going to work. i think if the website gets fixed, obviously by the matter of time and seeing how it works out will answer that question. the concern i have, though, is when you say -- when i've heard the administration say it's just a website, it's going to be great from here out, i remember, you know, hhs basically coming to our committee and saying there's no problem with the website and then all of a sudden we find out there is. so either they didn't know at that point that there was going to be a problem or they were dishonest to the committee. and so, look, when it comes to steps two and three, i can't sit

here and predict except to say i don't necessarily think this law is going to work. i think that's pretty obvious by my voting record, but time will tell. if they get this first part fixed, maybe another $50 million or something like this, but you get this fixed, i think we'll be able to judge whether this is working or not. >> but don't the numbers suggest this is working, certainly that there is a demand? what do you say, for example, to 323,000 people in your state, illinois, that can now get insurance? >> look, we've always said that people that are uninsured should have a way to get insurance. so the rip alternative plan frankly back house bill 3200 was being debated had a provision for that. so i'm a big believer that we need to find a replacement bill if and when the obama care or affordable care act ends up falling, saying look, we still agree with the goals of insuring everybody, bringing the cost of health care down, but here's our belief in ou -- >> can i interrupt you just a second because the speaker is about to make some comments. let's listen and i'll come back

to you. >> this economy is not creating the jobs that the american people are looking for. their wages are stagnant. and part of the problem is that we've got the whole threat of obama care continuing to hang over our economy like a wet blanket. employers scared to death in terms of what they have to do and what they don't have to do, afraid to add new employees. and, you know, when you look at the problems with obama care, all the focus here lately has been on the website. clearly there's problems with the website. but i would argue that the problems go much further than that. how about the report over the last couple of days of the hundreds of thousands of americans who are finding out that they're going to lose their coverage because the plans they have today don't qualify under obama care. and when you begin to look at these hundreds of thousands of people, i think what you're going to see at the end of the october are more americans are going to lose their health

insurance than are going to sign up at these exchanges. this is a very serious problem. it's affecting our economy and it's affecting the ability of the american people to find the job that will help them take care of themselves and their families. >> good morning. the rollout of obama care is nothing short of a debacle. and the american people are now fearful of their health care. >> senator, is it a bit of an overstatement to call this a debacle? you do have a situation where it's clear that millions of people have gone onto these websites. and anything about final numbers here, including what speaker boehner just had to say, is speculation. and negative speculation. >> i don't know if it's an oversight to call it a debacle. i've heard folks on the democrat side of the aisle say the same thing. look, i'm not going to go out and say because the website is not working, that is proof in the pudding that this is a complete failure of a law. i think that remains to be seen. again, i believe it will be but

that will remain to be seen. but this is the very first part of a rollout that's really significant. they have had years to get this in effect. they have told us it was going to be fine so i do think the early stage rollout of this has been a debacle. and again, with the overall question about the concerns that the american people have, i have talked to a lot of small business owners that say they're very worried about the future of this health care law, that they're considering putting their employees onto the federal exchange or onto the state exchange, basically dumping them off of their current system. so we'll see how this ends up working out in the long run. but the first rollouts definitely have not been good for the administration and i think everybody would admit that. >> congressman, thank you so much for coming on the program. >> thanks, chris. >> can we switch gears a little bit because there's something else going on in the administration. the white house national security official who is tweeting out some stuff for two years not very flattering things. let me give you a couple of examples here. was huma abedin wearing we are

goggles the night she met anthony wean'. obama, his crappy word except he used another word i don't want to say on tv. >> i thought this was cable. >> this is "jansing & co." and we try to keep to a higher standard here. what's going on here? >> i think that this is exceptionally juvenile behavior. he should know that a percent of his position should be, one, not opening the administration to potential lawsuits in terms of a workplace hostile environment. and then also, you know, creating an environment where he was sort of planting stories that were favorable to his point of view. some of his tweets were about dynamics inside the state department and national security. that's just beyond irresponsible. >> who would have thought computers would be the bane of the existence of the obama administration. >> let's point out that some of these things talked about

in-house, kind of dynamics are pretty useful from a reader point of view. like i want to read more about people going back and forth. and it's interesting to note that if you dish anonymously to the public, you're going to get fired. if you dish anonymously to "the new york times" on a sensitive story, no one is going to call you out. especially the way it prosecutes leaks. but the juvenilia on display talking about whether such and such person is having sex with that kind of person doesn't speak well of anybody. >> i think probably the truth of the matter is this kind of stuff has always gone on but now they have a technical outlet for it. >> normally this would have been a guy spewing at a bar. >> irin carmon, thank you for coming in. matt welch, always good to see you. in case you missed it right at the top of the hour, we did get our latest look at prince george. he was -- he had just been christened. this was right after the christening -- or was he going in for the christening? just moments ago, there you see

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a major challenge facing president obama today and it has nothing to do with the health care rollout. he'll host his first face-to-face meeting with pakistan's prime minister this

afternoon and at a time of continuing tension with that nuclear nation and uneasy ally in the war on terror. one critical topic, pakistan has called on the u.s. to end drone strikes. just yesterday, human rights groups gave pakistan some ammunition, accusing the u.s. of war crimes for killing civilians in drone attacks. the white house defends the strikes. >> u.s. counterterrorism operations are precise, they are lawful and they are effective, and the united states does not take lethal strikes when we or our partners have the ability to capture individual terrorists. >> i'm joined now by nbc news chief foreign correspondent, richard engel. good to see you, richard. let's set the stage on why this meeting is getting so much attention. why is pakistan so important to us, why now? >> i think it's really important because of afghanistan and u.s. troops in afghanistan. for the last two-plus years, u.s. relations with pakistan have been terrible. if you remember osama bin laden was caught hiding in pakistan or

caught and then killed. >> yes. >> hiding in pakistan right next to a military base. >> and they were unhappy we didn't give them a heads up. >> and we were really unhappy that he was there and very suspicious, suspicious until this day that people in high office in pakistan at least were aware or didn't do enough to find him. relations between the u.s. and pakistan after that key inflection point went south, and they have remained at a low point for a long time. and i think right now, as the u.s. is trying to pull out of afghanistan, which is right next door, we need the relations with pakistan to improve because -- >> well, there is some sort of phraseology that is mutual suspicion, which you've sort of reiterated. >> frenemies i've heard from pakistanis. >> so what could reasonably be expected to come out of this? >> the u.s. when looking at pakistan wants effectively two things -- three, i guess.

they want pakistan to be stable and prosperous and a healthy nation, but from the u.s. direct perspective, they want it to stop being a source of extremism and terrorism. >> the taliban among others. >> the taliban and all sorts of small groups, like the person who tried to attack times square in new york. they want it to stop being a magnet and a breeding ground for terrorists and they want it to be a reliable and relatively safe transit route for u.s. equipment leaving afghanistan. because if you look at afghanistan, it is landlocked, mountainous and going up toward the north, the ex-soviet republics haven't been -- it's been very expensive and they haven't been cooperative. so we don't have a lot of choices in getting things out of the country. they generally go through pakistan. so for the next year as the u.s. off-ramps in afghanistan, pakistan is going to become even more important, whether we like pakistan or not. >> richard engle, always good to see you.

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the obama care rollout has been a gift to late-night comedians, but beyond laughs, maybe trouble for the administration. the "washington post" chris cillizzia points out they have used its platform and young audience who make up obama care's biggest customers to skewer the rollout. >> confusing error messages, broken calculators? >> the [ bleep ] calculator doesn't work? according to a recent poll, more of this country believes obama care has been repealed than have been able to sign up for obama care. the whole point of websites is

to design them so that it is nearly impossible to not sign up for something. every time i go on amazon, there's a 40% chance i'll mistakenly overnight myself six seasons of "night court." it's just the way it's designed. >> i haven't thought of "night court" for a while. let's bring in kelly ann conway, president and ceo of the polling company and gingrich 2012 senior adviser, also kiki mcclain, former clinton '08 adviser. good morning to both of you. >> good morning. >> of course in his way chris put out all the charts and after the colbert report, stewart has the largest share of 18 to 29-year-old viewers. kiki, has jon stewart become the republicans' secret weapon here? >> i don't know that he's a secret weapon, but any time there's an error in anything, late-night tv has a great time with it. i think that that channel for a conversation with young americans is a great one and it's actually worked to

president obama's advantage on many occasions and i suspect before all is said and done it will on this as well. >> is that what's going to happen is that the president -- it's not like he hasn't been on jon stewart before. >> six times, twice as president. >> so back on there and say, look, do a little self deprecating humor, which he does very well, and say listen, we're going to get this right. because the one thing you don't want to do is get young people who are so used to technology frustrated that they don't go on. >> that's the thing. i don't know that the president could use humor because lots of young people don't think it's a laughing matter. it's funny if jon stewart is skewering it. prior to this he had a very tough interview with hhs secretary kathleen sebelius, really asked her what's in the plan, why doesn't it work. but the problem here -- the challenge here for the president, chris, is that 18 to 35-year-olds need to enter the system for obama care to work. they need to offset the cost for chronic and older patients. about 2.7 million 18 to

35-year-olds need to get into the system so those are the same people watching and trusting jon stewart and latching on to his suspicion of govlt. technology is their native tongue so they're scratching their heads wondering i'm unemployed, can i give a couple of pro bono hours to get the glitches cleared. this is a president, kiki snows, her party dominates among silicon valley and the tech community. ask some of those billionaires out in palo alto to help you with the glitches. >> and you wonder why somebody wasn't brought in sooner, kiki, but how do you move this forward? how does he take this -- and frankly, i think jon stewart is appropriately sort of a centerpiece of all this because they are the big consumers here. >> it's interesting, because jon stewart does have a great conversation going on with young americans on a variety of topics. certainly the glitches that the administration has had with this rollout and the website that they're working on that will be fixed, one of the benefits of this, i think, with jon stewart, while it may be a little painful to watch now if you're on that

team, is the fact that now there are millions who watch his show in this age group who actually know about this website. one of the great challenges going into this in the setup of the marketplace was making sure young americans even knew about it and encouraging them to go to it. while there is some negative humor going on, the awareness rises. when the awareness rises, the chance to invite them in when all systems are working is even higher. painful this week, it will work out in the long run. >> even worse for jon stewart for the democrats is the republicans for themselves, because you've seen what the poll numbers have done. the government shutdown, which is all the result of obama care, absolutely taking fnking for republicans in general and of course jon stewart didn't let that go to waste either. >> it turns out that when you shut down the government for two weeks in order to obtain nothing, people don't like that. it hurts the republican brand. >> the defund strategy was never going to work.

>> thank you, commander hindsight. listen, bill, i told them it wasn't going to work. then i also called a guy and said a lone ranger movie in 2013? >> the website, if it gets up and running, millions of people are insured as a result of this and the glitches get forgotten, are the republicans the big losers in all of this? >> i think that they would also forget the government shutdown. the glitches in the health care system are serious. people need -- people who need health insurance are going on there. it's not sport like let me show how stupid and incompetent the government is. one thing i'm getting concerned about, chris, when you go in to enroll on the website, you start to enter private confidential information and then if you can't actually complete the transaction, where is that going? i think people will get properly nervous about sharing confidential information. >> kiki is shaking her head. >> i'm shaking my head because there are private sector companies who deal with this all the time. medicare advantage part d

participants have dealt with this over the years. there are technical glitches in every organization, meaning for-profit and nonprofit has them. this is a big headline because as kelly ann rightly says, this is important. at the end of the day, this is going to get fixed, more people will be covered. there's going to be better health care and our economy will be stronger. at the end of the day, these will be tough days, but they will be days that had a product and a value at the end. >> kiki mclean, kelly ann conway, great to talk to both of you. thank you so much. boston officials announced this morning a 14-year-old boston area student is in custody, accused of murdering a high school teacher. both the student and teacher were reported missing last night. hours later, investigators found blood in one of the school bathrooms, and that led them to a nearby wooded area where 24-year-old colleen ritzer was found dead. the student was later arrested after a passerby spotted him walking along a road. more details in another

tragedy involving a murdered teacher. the 12-year-old shooter took the murder weapon from his home. now parents could face charges. meantime the brother of the teacher who was killed met one of the students he saved. reggie landsberry tells nbc news he's not surprised his brother sacrificed his own life for the kids. >> it is unlucky, you know. it's sickening. but in hindsight, thank goodness mike was there, because it could have been a lot worse. >> it's still not clear whether the shooter was targeting his victims or shooting randomly. two students are still hospitalized. nearly 600 dogs have died, thousands more dogs and cats got sick after eating jerky pet treats made in china. now the fda is trying to figure out why. vets say if you feed your pets jerky, watch them closely and report any problems to the fda. people living in the midwest waking up to some of the coldest temperatures of the season. in fact 10 to 20 degrees below

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the group who played a word game tired 13% faster, even though their muscles were equally fresh. it's making a comeback more than 30 years later. i'm talking about the era and a filmmaker is taking a grassroots approach to her fight for equal rights for women in the workplace. >> men and women still don't have equal rights under the law in the united states of america. >> you know, women and men still don't get paid equally. >> why? >> why? >> yes. >> because they want a cheap labor pool, and that cheap labor pool is females. >> on average in this country today, a woman at the end of her working life has lost $400,000 to wage discrimination. >> so this is where you're going to see that. it's on the crowd sourcing website kick starter and is being used to raise money for a documentary to revitalize the fight for a proposed amendment to guarantee equal rights for women. in 1979, 15 states failed to

eprove the e.r.a., it was defeated. joining me now, the woman behind this effort, camilla lopez. leslie jane seymour is editor in chief of "more" magazine. good to see both of you. >> good morning. thank you for having me. >> happy to see you. it is really interesting the equal rights amendment was never ratified. 21 states, though, in the meantime added similar amendments to their constitution. so why take this on? some people will say, well, the states that want it have it. >> well, i mean the reason i took it on was because i had no idea that we weren't equal. i thought in the united states everybody was equal, and the fact is 96% of us think we are equal. so to me just philosophically the fact that our society is not reflecting in its foundational document that which we believe is a problem. it's a philosophic problem, but then upon extending it out into the society, there are lots of

problems that come from us not being equal under the law. >> well, one of them that we often talk about is money. take a look, 2012, the annual income for a full-time male, $49,000, for a woman, less than $38,000. here's another comparison. full-time married man, $951 a week. full-time married woman, just $741. is camilla right here, do you think, leslie jane, that there's this perception that things have gotten a lot better, more improvement than there actually has been? >> i think we forget of the and i think the money thing tells you everything you need to know. 77 cents to a dollar for women of what men make. when we had the recession, everybody was saying it was a mancession. isn't it good women earned less so they didn't lose their job as much. but we can't go on like this. until you are making the same amount of money as a man doing the same exact job, we're never

going to get to parity and the place that we have to be. >> we got into a big discussion, my team did when they were talking about doing this segment, and they were reminded of one of the episodes of the great "west wing." let me play you a little clip. >> a new amendment we vote on declaring that i am equal under the law to a man, i am mortified to discover there is reason to believe i wasn't before. i am a citizen of this country. i am not a special subset in need of your protection. i do not have to have my rights handed down to me by a bunch of old, white men. >> so, camilla, how do you respond to women, even a fictional one, who think the 14th amendment which defines who is a u.s. citizen is enough, we don't need an e.r.a. >> i think that's what all of us thought until a couple of years ago, our supreme court justice scalia made very clear that the word "male" was used in the constitution for the first time

in the 14th amendment as specifically men. it did not include women. it was deliberately used to exclude women. and so i understand we don't want our rights handed down by other people, but the fact is when this country was formed, we weren't equal. so now that time has gone by, i think we just have to in terms of showing respect to more than half the people in this country, to at least put it in there and say, yes, we understand that in 1787, maybe women weren't considered equal in stature in our society, but now things have changed and, therefore, we will put this in our document. because not having equality under the law has major ramifications that go beyond just the gender pay gap. >> an i think it has to do with too we go out there and explore our system. look at our system, it's wonderful, we treat everybody the same way and we're trying to

get other countries that treat women in poor ways to change. it's very hard to do that when we can't even show that we get equal protection under the law, that we get the same amount of money for the same job. i think it's wise. >> at the time in '79, there was a big movement and a lot of people got involved, unsuccessfully and they weren't able to get it passed. how do you moat tivate that tod? how do you get people interested if by the statistics you cite yourself, most people don't think there is a real problem here. >> well, i don't think it's that young people don't think there's a problem, i think they just don't know about it. >> i agree. >> because in 1982 when the e.r.a. failed, most people that i talked to weren't even born or conscious. so they grow up and they kind of think that everything is equal, and it's not. so it's just a matter of tell the young people today or anybody that came of age after 1982, hey, guess what, gays can get married today, but you still don't have equal rights. and that's just like a big

elephant in the room that nobody is aware of. and i think it's so important to just tell everybody and let them make their own decisions. if they think that we still shouldn't be equal, then i'm confused, but okay. >> but i think what's wonderful is to get it out on social media the way that camilla is doing because that's how you reach a new generation of kids. i have an 18-year-old daughter. i can't wait for her to see it. >> thank you so much as always. camilla lopez, good luck with this. thanks for taking the time to talk with us. >> thank you so much for having me. >> and today's tweet of the day comes from project eve. a group that promotes collaboration among female entrepreneurs. it's not about breaking through the glass ceiling, it's about building a new house.

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is being christ ended today. prince william and kate breaking with tradition and inviting just a small group of people to an intimate ceremony at the royal chapel in st. james palace. among them, the queen, prince philip, kate's parents, pippa. there will be a private tea after the christening as well as seven godparents. i want to bring in royal watcher neil sean. kate and will breaking with tradition in where it's held and the number of people invited, right? >> lovely to see you, chris, but two things actually. it's not too much of a tradition because normally these royal events like that, they don't normally -- they're not normally that big. it's only the last couple of previous royal babies that they have become more of a media situation, as it were. you know, when you look at william and harry, that was kind of allowing the cameras to go in. way back in 1926, of course,

when the queen was baptized, the cameras filmed that but they have always been rather intimate events so a lot of people said he's different and he's private. the only thing we feel here in the u.k. is that we kind of had all the excitement of the wedding, all the excitement of the birth and we all slightly feel a bit left out we can't see a little bit more. i think that's the downside. >> and i guess we know what the picture will be on the front pages of all of the papers. this is the first time we've seen baby george since they came out of hospital, right? >> that's right. obviously, of course, we saw that wonderful picture. i think the biggest picture prior to that was -- i don't know if you saw it prior to that when kate went to an official engagement and dare i say she had the flattest tummy in the world. and all the other women were going how did she do it? how did she get so thin so quickly again? so i think that started the whole thing off of like we saw how big she was when she arrived at hospital and it seems to have been -- what, it's only a few months. so yes, i guess now but we're

all intrigued what he looks like, has he got any hair? more than william probably. >> is the word out on what she's wearing, what designer? i know that's the number one question everyone will have. >> we're all looking at this but the outfit is alexander mcqueen and we believe the hat linda kelly. as soon as i know, you'll know. >> neil sean, always a favorite for us. thank you so much, neil, have a good one. >> pleasure. >> that's going to wrap up this hour of "janszing and company." thomas roberts is up next and i'll see you back here tomorrow. woman: everyone in the nicu -- all the nurses wanted to watch him when he was there 118 days. everything that you thought was important to you changes in light of having a child that needs you every moment.

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all the focus here lately has been on the website. clearly there's problems with the website. but i would argue that the problems go much further than that. >> the rollout of obama care is nothing short of a debacle. >> hearing there from house republicans john boehner and eric cantor in the last hour, seizing on the issues with the rocky rollout of the health care website for obama care. good morning, everybody. i'm thomas roberts. topping our