i'm chris jansing. this morning some of america's strongest allies are fuming. more anger and acrimony. it's growing fallout from the nsa program and the new details that claim the u.s. was listening in on the personal cell phones of its friends. long considered a diplomatic no-no. this morning the obama administration has its surveillance policy under review. it's the guardian that broke the story, nsa monitored calls of 35 world leaders after a u.s. official handed over the contacts, 200 phone numbers in all, apparently. it prompted an angry phone call from angela merkel to president obama the other day and now european leaders are considering suspending trade talks and an agreement allowing the u.s. to track the finances of terrorists. both germany and france want to sit down and talk to the u.s. about what's in and out of bounds when it comes to surveillance. the whole thing has gotten so heated the obama administration had to respond this morning with

an op-ed in "usa today." the surveillance policy is now under review and the white house had an unlikely defender this morning, senator marco rubio. >> everyone spies on everybody. that's just a fact. if you are a u.s. government official traveling abroad, you are aware that anything you have on your cell phone, on your ipad could be monitored by foreign intelligence agencies, including that of your own allies, so i think a lot of what you're seeing from these european leaders is for the domestic consumption of their own public, but at the end of the day, everyone knew there was gambling going on in cassia blanca. >> i want to bring in our company, distinguished senior fellow and former "new york times" columnist, bob her lert, philip bump and gregory meeks, democrat from new york. bob, let me start with you. on "morning joe" richard said it seems like president obama is going out of his way to offend our allies. what do you see going on here? >> what's curious to me is there doesn't seem to have been any

cost benefit analyses on the use of this ability to spy. so there's always going to -- you have to imagine that this stuff is going to come out at some point, whether it was edward snowden or whatever. then you have to figure out what's the price that you're going to pay if you're spying on some of your closest allies and is it worth it. i don't see the upside for this kind of surveillance. >> angela merkel said spying among friends cannot be but what about senator rubio's comments. is this really just all for public consumption? everybody knew everybody was spying on everybody else anyway? >> i think there is a lot of it that is that. deutsche telecom came out this morning and said they wanted to help establish a germany centered internet so that they could have -- make sure the germans were protected from this sort of spying but it was seen by a pr move by deutsche telecom. there's a lot of posturing going on and i think rubio is right the u.s. would have preferred this not come to light.

but the u.s. said hey snowden has revelations about some of its allies, saying, look, we're all complicit. >> congressman meeks, is this much ado about nothing? is senator rubio right? >> i think what we've got to get to more of a system of checks and balances. when you talk about all the new technology that's coming out and then also all of the threats that are in the world, we've got to figure out how we get this thing right. we don't want to offend our allies. we want to make sure that we can get the information that's necessary to keep us safe. and so there's got to be these checks and balances and we've got to continue to look at what we're doing so we can make sure that we're doing the right thing to keep us safe but not violating one's privacy at the same time. >> and, look, it's a particular concern to you, you're a member of the foreign affairs committee. in terms of our relationship with our european friends, let me read what roger cohen wrote in an op-ed in the "times" today. obama in his cool detachment is not big on diplomacy through personal relations but merkel is

as close to a trusted friend as he has in europe. in infuriate her amounts to sloppy bungling that murhurts american soft power in lasting ways. do you think we have already been hurt in lasting ways? i was in europe the last ten days and it was headlines everywhere and people were asking me about it. >> i think they're going to have to sit down and have a conversation about it. i know there are talks in the works now, while they go into various meetings. they'll talk and they'll have to work this thing out. again, people are making the presumption that it's coming from the president down. we need to look at what the nsa procedures are so we can make sure that they are following the correct guidelines. >> and it's not just soft power. these things where you tick off foreign leaders who are your allies can make them less willing to cooperate when there are serious national security issues at stake, so that really needs to be taken into consideration. >> although it's clear, the new revelations yesterday that came out were in 2006, when jay carney denied that the united

states is or will monitor angela merkel -- >> can we play that because lisa monaco in that op-ed in the "usa today" defended the actions and she never, ever really suggested in any way, shape or form the administration had done anything that was not right and here's how jay carney handled it. >> we are not going to comment publicly on every specified alleged intelligence activity. as a matter of policy we have made clear that the united states gathers foreign intelligence of the type gathered by all nations. >> we are not, we will not listen to merkel's calls but nothing about what we've done in the past. so what about the pr situation that we have right now? is the administration hurting itself at all, congressman, in the way it's handling this? >> i think as long as we have conversation and dialogue, as long as we know that we're reviewing the process of what nsa is doing, i think we'll be fine. i think if you look at what has taken place, though, in the world, there's dangers that were

not there previously. so i'm sure they don't want to reveal what those things are. in fact in today's news also is where some of our allies are concerned about their conversation and dialogue with the united states in regards to some of the terrorists and some of the bad things in the world that their cooperation now may be revealed. so we've got to figure out how to do this thing because they're concerned about spying that they have done along with us to help make us all safer. >> not exactly spying, but i'm sure you've heard about the former nsa chief michael hayden. he's on the acela train going from d.c. to new york and he's giving an interview to a reporter as a former senior administration official. and he's overheard boy a passenger and this passenger is tweeting everything out. >> he should have known better, you know. many years ago i was an intelligence sergeant for an engineer battalion in the army. the first thing they drill into your head is to assume that if you're on a telephone or any other form of public communication that you can be

overheard, that somebody could be listening. >> but on an acela, congressman? >> don't do it on the acela. in fact i know they're listening and i might say something funny. wasn't that funny? because i make the presumption that someone in front of me or behind me -- >> i've actually had administration officials or members of congress say, oh, chris, hi. they just keep on walking, right? >> to the quiet car. >> that's the best thing to do. >> let's also talk, if we can, about kathleen sebelius and the obama care website. here's what she has said about calls for her to resign. >> the majority of people calling for me to resign are people who i don't work for and who do not want this program to work in the first place. i have had frequent conversations with the president and i have committed to him that my role is to get the program up and running and we will do just that. >> congressman does she need to

step down or does the president need to at least say, look, here's who's responsible here and we're going to change it? >> look, there's no one more furious about this than the president. we need to fix it, there's no question about it. but you know what, we don't need to play politics. i think a lot of individuals are playing politics. >> but is accountability politics? >> no. i think if you want to look at -- i would look at the individuals -- we have to look at the individuals who are putting the system together to find out what flaws were put there and who made those mistakes. but still, the bottom line and the focus of this all is to make sure that 30 million people who did not have access to health care has access to health care for the first time and bringing down all our health care costs. that's the bottom line and what we need to be focused on. what we have here is when you look at the product, the problem is that the product is good. it's just behind a narrow entranceway where only a few people can trickle in to get it and the line is starting to build up and build up and build up which causes greater pressure.

we've just got to fix this thing so everybody can be access to health care. you can see that the people, they want health care and there's a great need by the number of individuals who are frustrated because they can't get into the store to buy the product they want. >> i think it's also fair to say that there are a lot of democrats, and we had one of them on yesterday, senator blumenthal, who suggested maybe a delay needs to be put into effect here. so i wonder, philip, what we can expect to see when kathleen sebelius goes before that committee and let's be fair about this. most of the high ranking members of that committee are people who never wanted to see obama care in the first place. and she has not gotten great reviews on how she's handled it so far. >> there's no question the committee will be very unfriendly to her. >> what's she do? >> honestly the thing that examine emerge during yesterday's hearing is what the actual problem is. there's clearly some technical problem. i don't know that the members of congress were prepared to ask the questions or the executives were prepared to answer them,

but the number one thing she can say, here's what the problem was, here's how we're going to fix it and how we're going to fix the process as there was a great editorial in "the new york times" that pointed that out. how we fix that so in the future we don't have the problems. >> in the short term we know that the congressional hearing sort of was criticizing the testing that did take place until two weeks before the site launched. and cms in charge of the website said it was because of, quote, a compressed time frame and then kathleen sebelius talked about, well, if i had five years, five years would have been ideal. in this matter in the context of how american people view washington right now? >> i think it does matter because it goes to the issue of competence. i mean i assume that eventually they'll get these technical problems figured out. when you look at sebelius, it's not clear yet what she should have noknown at the time of the rollout, but i have to say that

given what was going on in washington at the time, and we were going through the shutdown crisis and that sort of thing, i cannot imagine a cabinet secretary getting any kind of warm reception in the white house by saying, you know, we have technical problems here. we need to delay the rollout. that's tough. >> let me just say this, though. you know, again, i want the focus to be on getting the individuals health care. any time you had a build of this magnitude in the past, there has been problems. in fact just eight years ago when we had the medicare part d, there was huge problems with the rollout. >> so you're focusing on what is wrong and how to fix it? >> yes. i think that's what the focus should be. that's what the president is and anybody that's really concern, we should be working together to fix this problem so we can get people health care. i was opposed to medicare part d, but once it became the law, i didn't try to repeal it 43 times, i tried to work with it to maybe sure that the seniors got the prescription benefits that they need of the and that's what should be taking place here.

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it is one of the most famous cold cases in modern history, and just minutes ago, key documents in the jonbenet ramsey murder case were released to the public for the first time ever. the grand jury indictment of john and patsy ramsey is providing new details into a 17-year-old murder mystery that captivated the nation. count four of the indictment

says patsy ramsey, quote, did unlawfully, knowingly, recklessly and feloniously permit a child to be unreasonably placed in a situation which posed a threat of injury to the child's life or health, which resulted in the death of jonbenet ramsey. count seven says john ramsey essentially the same thing, did unlawfully, knowingly, feloniously render assistance to a person with intent to hinder, delay and prevent the discovery, detention, apprehension, prosecution and conviction and punishment of such person for the commission of a crime. knowing the person being assisted has committed and was suspected of the crime of murder in the first degree and child abuse resulting in death. you'll remember that the 6-year-old beauty queen found dead in her boulder, colorado, home december 26th, 1996. her murder remains unsolved. let me bring in msnbc legal analyst and former federal prosecutor, kendall coffey. kendall, what do these documents tell us? >> well, it's stunning. one of the most sensational

unsolved murder mysteries of our times. and all we can tell from this is that at some point the grand jury believed that her parents were responsible, or at least they believed there was probable cause. now, we know some very important things happened after the grand jury signed off on those indictments. the prosecutor didn't bring charges. he believed that there was not enough evidence to prove to a reason doubt that they could be convicted. different standard between a grand jury's probable cause and a prosecutor's duty to determine if you can prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. we also know eight years later, the successor to the original prosecutor determined that based on dna evidence the parents were not implicated in the crime. this is a stunning development and we all want to know more, frankly. what was it that prompted the grand jury, some responsible

people, to develop this theory of how the parents were involved in the death of their own child. >> in fact for people who don't know or don't remember, patsy ramsey died. john ramsey through his lawyer sought to block this release today. his argument is that it's going to defame him and his late wife who died of cancer in 2006. his lawyer also argued the indictment shouldn't be released without the entire grand jury record so the public could consider the reams of evidence. so why wouldn't the judge do that? >> well, there is a point to the concern about the impact this has on john ramsey. what's more horrible than people thinking you might have killed your own child? as we know, there's really no presumption of innocence in the court of public opinion. but colorado's open records laws are limited. grand jury proceedings are generally secret. onlyhe official action, which in this case the key pages signed by the grand jury

foreperson, that's all that can be released. it's a frustrating scenario and a painful one for john ramsey, for the memory of his late wife and for those who have been following the case, just more questions, more mystery, and frankly not even the ability to know what the grand jury was thinking. >> and he has since remarried. he has been laying low in recent years. the attention has been away from this and now obviously it's back on him. what is his recourse, if anything, and what would you advise him to do? >> well, i think he may continue a court battle to get more information, but the reality is that he has a validation, a declaration of innocence from the current office that prosecuted that case. that's the best there's going to be for him. no matter what he does, the disclosure today of that indictment, information and speculation of the past will always leave a cloud in at least the minds of some people. >> so when you look at these and

they're slightly differently worded, is the indication that one was believed to be, at least by this grand jury, possibly the killer and the other was just involved in a cover-up? >> that's what's so frustrating for everne. you can't really tell. it implies that the grand jury didn't have enough information to say who -- what specific person killed, brutally murdered jonbenet ramramsey, but what it suggests is that the parents exposed her to that and specifically may have facilitated somebody in actually perpetrating the crime. so we have the most general information about a most horrible crime that really creates more questions than answers. >> kendall coffey, thanks so much. appreciate it. >> thank you, chris. we also have breaking news in the case of the little girl known as maria found in a roma camp in greece. bulgaria police now confirm to nbc that dna of a couple in that country matches the 4-year-old

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to politics now where a republican official in north carolina is out of a job after a stunning racist, sexist and ageist interview with a reporter for "the daily show" with jon stewart. >> if it hurts a bunch of colleagues kids that's too lazy to go get a photo i.d., so be it. if it hurts the whites, so be it. if it hurts a bunch of lazy blacks, so be it. >> and it just so happens that a lot of those people vote democrat. >> gee. >> in the interview, local precinct party chair john yelton said he's been called a bigot before and made fun of the white half of president obama, not the black half. he told a north carolina newspaper he wouldn't take anything back, but gop officials called his comments inappropriate and offensive and he stepped down.

very different story coming out of congress where two representatives turned into modern-day heroes. congressman raul ruiz, who's also an e.r. doctor, helped revive a passenger that passed out on a flight from d.c. to dallas-ft. worth, and this wasn't the first time he helped someone on a plane. >> this was the first patient that i've had to make a plane land, yes. but there have been some other patients that we were able to manage on the plane with oxygen and other treatments in the past. >> now, congressman pete gallego was also on board. he helped out as well and later tweeted hope congressman ruiz is on all my flights home. it was impressive to see him in action. he saves lives. meantime maryland's attorney general playing defense after pictures of him at an underage party where drinking was apparently going on emerged on the front page of the "baltimore sun." doug gansler said he didn't have

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for the third time in less than three months, ted cruz will be in the important 2016 caucus

state of iowa. he's headlining the state gop's ronald reagan dinner. in an interview, cruz would not say whether he'd be willing to shut down the government again as leverage in the looming budget deadlines. quote, there will be time enough to talk about specific strategies and tactics. but of course polls show the shutdown strategy torpedoed the republican brand in just one month losing ground in key demographic groups from women to seniors, independents to white college graduates. let's bring in republican strategist susan del percio, democratic strategist, chris kofinis. good morning. >> good morning. >> susan, you know that the republican overall unfavorability rating is at an all-time high, 63%. is ted cruz to blame? >> in part, in part. >> and those who followed him. >> and then there's a bunch of members in the house that followed him, which are equally to blame. and right now ted cruz going to iowa is going to be problematic

for republicans, because he's going to go out there and he's going to offer a lot of red meat and come out looking very strong. but the fact is, we need to rebrand -- we have to worry about rebranding ourself after this fiasco. >> in fact he tweeted yesterday, quote, we're seeing momentum. weeks ago everyone said there's no way dems would bunch an inch on obama care. #makedclisten. i guess the point he's making, chris, is there are democrats calling for a delay in the implementation of obama care, so is he right or is he kidding himself? >> well, he's kidding himself because here's the big distinction. the problem that ted cruz -- well, he actually has a lot of problems. but the big problem he has in terms of strategy is you can't go around threatening default and blowing up the nation's economy, if not the global economy. you can't go around saying we should shut down to defund or delay obama care when the american people look at it as separate issues.

are there issues with the affordable care act? yeah, of course. we've seen that in terms of the website. they need to be fixed. but he confuses the two and that, i think, is the fundamental problem. at the end of the day, listen, it's really simple. ted cruz is interested in only one thing. it's not the republican party, it's not even the democratic party, it's ted cruz. and he is going to go out there. he's clearly running for president, making some strong signals that he's going to. and that, i think, is great for democrats and really bad for republicans. >> well, i mean you also have this nigerian ambassador who demanded an apology from ted cruz because cruz joked nigerian e-mail scammers put the obama care website together. i'm not even sure what he expected to accomplish with that. but is there a point, susan, in which party bosses somehow try to get him under control and say you're becoming more of a drag on the party than we can afford? >> i don't think they'll be able to get him under control, but i think he will have a certain amount of time in the sun and that's it. let's not forget michele

bachmann won iowa, so if all this attention is put on iowa now, we saw what happened with her presidential ambitions. he's doing what is in his best interests. it seems that was his government strategy. shutdown strategy, get some attention off of it. but republicans have a lot of work to go ahead and fix their brand, no doubt. >> and in a way, nobody loves ted cruz more than the democrats, chris, because of what he has done to the republican brand. and i think there are optimists who think the shutdown provided a democratic opening in 2014. i was listening to rahm emanuel at yesterday's center for american progress event and he told the democrats there they need to pick the lock of the republican-drawn congressional map in 2014. obviously emanuel helped democrats retake the house of representatives in 2006, but realistically what are the chances they can do it again? >> it's going to be tough. redistricting and the gerrymandering process has made it very difficult to win some of these seats.

that being said, the people in some of these seats and even though they're in a declining number, look at what the republicans did. look at what ted cruz does and says. look at ken cuccinelli in virginia says. these republicans are just so out of touch with mainstream american values and what we want government and our political leaders to do that he alienates voters. so i think it's definite low a chance. here's -- at the end of the day, here's how simple it is. ted cruz will continue to go out there and become his own weapon of mass destruction. he's going to go out there and make as much noise as he can to rally his conservative base. that is all he is interested in. whether it's to win iowa, whether it is to make a statement. at the end of the day that is what he's focused on. if he does that, every time he does, it helps democrats. >> chris kofinis, susan del percio, thanks for coming on. have a great weekend. checking the news feed this morning, disturbing new report in "usa today" that iran may be

just a month away from having enough weapons grade uranium to build a nuclear bomb. this comes as the white house pushes for further negotiations with tehran, and some in congress push for further sanctions. u.s. officials believe ransom was the motive for pirates who kidnapped two americans off nigeria's coast. they attacked the slow-moving u.s. flagged ship, singled out the americans and took them ashore. this is one of the most dangerous parts of the world for sailors and those pirates do operate for ransom money. democratic leaders trying to get more women to run for office. just this morning dnc chair debbie wasserman schultz announcing that she's forming a new democratic women's alliance that's aimed at developing female candidates for office at the state and local level in 2014. wasserman schultz along with nancy pelosi spoke this morning at the 20th anniversary of the dnc women's leadership forum. today begins the emotional pain staking process of staring down sandy hook elementary school in newtown, connecticut.

it of course a scene of complete horror almost a year ago when adam lanza shot and killed 20 students and six adults. contractors are working under tight security, forced to sign nondisclosure agreements about where the debris will be disposed, hoping to keep it away from collectors, but they will salvage a few mementos including time capsules and a flag pole. a new school is expected to open by december of 2016. the fda wants to crack down on drugs with the powerful pain killer hydrocodone. some of the most widely used and abused pain killers. patients would get fewer refills and the doctors couldn't phone in prescriptions. check it out, playful prince george with his proud parents, the duke and dutchess of cambridge. these are the official pictures of the future king's christening. kate is holding george surrounded by his aunt, uncles, parents, grandparents and of course the queen.

and four generations of monarchs together in one poet owe. the last time this happened was 1894, when victoria was queen. some analysts are shocked this morning by just how little it will cost you to buy a piece of the twitter. cnbc's jackie deangeles is here with what's moving your money. good morning, how much? >> let me start by saying this is one of the most highly anticipated ipos of the year, but a lot of pressure on twitter and also the nyse to get it right, especially after the facebook debacle. now, in terms of pricing, you can own a piece of the little blue bird for between $17 and $20 a share. the company intending to sell 70 million shares. if you do the math, twitter looking to raise up to $1.6 billion and would have a valuation of $10.9 billion. analysts are saying that is modest. we're also looking for pricing on this november 6th and trading as early as november 7th. the symbol, twtr.

>> on the lighter side and this is my personal favorite every single year, career builder comes out with an annual survey of the most ridiculous excuses for calling in sick. and there are some doozies. >> you could say that. there are definitely some good ones. slackers, time to take notes. first, let me say this. 30% of employees say they have gone to work despite actually being sick. it sounds good, but they also said that they were saving those sick days for when they were feeling well. and that's nearly 32% of workers have called in sick when they're not really ill. that's up from 30% last year. some of those excuses, false teeth flying out the car window. >> okay. >> eating too much turkey made one guy fall asleep. and how about when sunday night football doesn't go your way, try saying that you need monday to recover. maybe you had a fake eye that's coming out of its socket. >> what? wait, wait, what? >> a fake eye popping out of the socket. but chris, this one is good too. perhaps your car gotbaum barreded by bees and you

couldn't get into it. by the way, 30% of employers say they checkup on workers who call in sick, including their social media posts. so if you're calling in sick, don't post pictures of yourself on facebook. >> at the beach, at a wine tasting. i got it. cnbc's jackie deangeles, thank you. have a good weekend. well, it has been four full years, if you can believe it, since michael jackson died. but according to "forbes" he still earns more money than any living celebrity. jackson tops the list of the highest earning dead celebrities, making $160 million between october of last year and now. elvis presley second with $55 million. charles schultz of "peanuts" fame, number three. elizabeth taylor drops to fourth. and bob marley rounds out the top five. check out the full list at jansing.msnbc.com.

pressure is building to make comprehensive immigration reform a reality and it's coming paradoxically from groups that usually aren't big supporters of the president. business leaders met with dennis mcdonough to discuss a way forward. there's also a push from evangelical leaders who have been debating biblical immigration. here was the president yesterday. >> it's good for our economy, it's good for our national securi security, it's good for our people, and we should do it this year. >> well, the problem for the president, of course, house republicans who were quick to reject the senate's comprehensive reform bill, instead opting for a piecemeal approach. joining me now, russell moore. good to see you, good morning. >> good to be with you, chris. thank you for having me. >> you have said that this is much more than a political issue, this is a gospel issue.

so help people understand what exactly is biblical immigration? >> well, i don't speak in terms of biblical immigration, i speak in terms of our biblical mandate to think about immigrants not as issues but as persons. that doesn't mean that we're all going to agree on how to fix this problem, but it does mean that we do have a sense of needing to have compassion upon the people around us in our communities who are part of a broken system. >> and in fact am i right that you once said that jesus himself was an illegal immigrant? >> well, jesus himself had to be a refugee. he had to leave the land of israel to go into egypt to escape persecution, and many of the people who are in our country right now are escaping persecution of various kinds. we have cuban immigrants who are coming away from the repressive castro regime. we have others who are trying to escape from poverty and trying to feed their children. there are a thousand different reasons why the people among us

are here. that doesn't mean everybody should be here or everybody needs to be here, and that's one of the reasons why immigration reform needs to be very tough in coming in and evaluating who is here and why and how do we prevent our borders from being as porous as they are right now. >> evangelicals have been such strong an consistent supporters of conservative members of congress. do you think you can have any influence on this? >> yes, and i really don't think that we have as wide a divide in this country as many people assume. when i'm talking to people from very conservative members of congress to other people in washington and then around the country, most of us agree there's a problem. i don't find very many people who will say i think the immigration system is working just fine in this country. we agree that it's broken. i also don't find very many people who would say we ought to have a wide open border. i don't find many people who would say we need blanket amnesty for everyone that's here and i don't find many people who say we want a government big

enough and powerful enough to deport 11 to 12 million people from this country. so the question then becomes what do we do that's just, that's tough, that's fair, that's compassionate. i really think we can get our heads together and work this out. >> the devil is in the details always, and obviously one of the big sticking points is whether to do a big comprehensive reform package or to do this in a piecemeal approach. but outside of that very specific sort of legislative approach to it, what do you see is happening within the evangelical community? is this a topic that's being preached from the pulpit. >> in the pulpits in evangelical churches, we're not preaching specific legislative proposals for congress. we don't think that's our duty or mandate to do, nor do we have a clear word from god on what the specific bill ought to look like. what we do recognize, though, is that the people that we're talking about aren't just some sort of abstract issue. they're often our brothers and

sisters in christ, in the pews right next to us in our congregations and we see the sorts of problems that are being experienced. evangelical churches is one of the fastest growing churches among hispanic people and churches. there's more and more salsa showing up at our church pot luck dinners and i think that's a good thing. it also opens our eyes and the sense of the fact this isn't just an issue, these are people we love and we care about and we're hearing their stories. >> russell moore, thanks so much for coming on the program. thank you. >> thanks, chris. so the cardinals beat the red sox last night to even up the world series at one game apiece, but it's singer james taylor who's getting a lot of the attention for his national anthem flub. ♪ o beautiful -- o say can you see by the dawn's early light ♪ >> pretty smooth transition, if you ask me. today's tweet of the day comes from a columnist for the

"charleston post and courier." red sox of 0-1 at fenway when james taylor screws up the national anthem. it's estimated that 30% of the traffic in a city is caused by people looking for parking. that's remarkable that so much energy is, is wasted. streetline has looked at the problem of parking, which has not been looked at for the last 30, 40 years, we wanted to rethink that whole industry, so we go and put out these sensors in each parking spot and then there's a mesh network that takes this information sends it over the internet so you can go find exactly where those open parking spots are. the collaboration with citi was important for providing us the necessary financing; allow this small start-up to go provide a service to municipalities. citi has been an incredible source of advice, how to engage with municipalities, how to structure deals, and as we think about internationally, citi is there every step of the way.

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health secretary kathleen sebelius just arrived in austin, texas, for a pr push for obama care. she will tour a center in austin as part of the administration's effort to promote signups which have been derailed by the glitchy government website. it's time for the reputation report. jansing & co.'s weekly look at who's not and who's not, according to social media analytics. here is howard bragman, chairman of 15 minutes public relations. good to see you, howard, good morning. >> good morning, chris. >> as you know, there are republicans who are pushing for kathleen sebelius to resign. she says she's not going anywhere. how's she doing on social media? >> well, it's a very interesting

company caught dichotomy. her volume is very, very low surprisingly and it's more than two to one favorable but we're listing her down. number one, she's gotten tripped up in her own mistakes. she's given some very poor interviews. there was one on a cable network that really, really tracked low and she's under friendly fire from a lot of very powerful people. news organizations are trying to put her in the cross-hairs. we're seeing that from "the new york times," other powerful organizations and that's a lot of heat. the people in favor, much less powerful twitter people. powerful people trying to take her down. so we're saying she's down this week. i'm sorry, we're saying she's on the move, excuse me. >> one of the tweets i saw was don't fire kathleen sebelius, her boss is the problem. but it sounds like that's not sort of the major sentiment. >> no, that's not the major sentiment. it's very mixed. she's trending positive, but she's got a lot of enemies out

there. so a lot of attention. and someone we'll be following the next few weeks. >> sebelius just part of the whole turbulent week for obama care with lawmakers grilling the software company designers and the other people who were involved in this rollout. take a look. >> amazon and ebay don't crash the week before christmas and pro flowers doesn't crash on valentine's day. >> neither you nor anyone else at the table thought or made a recommendation not to go forward on october 1? >> it's worth pointing out that those are the democrats who were on the committee. what are you seeing out there? >> well, it's exactly as you pointed out. we're seeing volume has gone up significantly, in the double digits, and we're seeing -- we're down about 10% in favorability. obama care has been up and down. a few weeks ago we talked about the fact that it was up because

of the government shutdown. but these computer glitches are really dragging it down. one thing, as you just noted, friendly fire is very hard to overcome. people can't understand, obama saying this is a program that can work. he's got a lot of egg on his face if they can't make this work. and i know he's got people working day and night to make this work. so obama care is down this week, chris. >> we just have a few seconds but there's a lot happening with same-sex marriage. gay couples tied the knot in new jersey. next monday hawaii's senate will vote on a marriage equality bill. new mexico's state supreme court getting ready to decide whether same-sex marriage is legal. what's the trend? >> three to one positive. gay marriage is up. millennials love it. >> howard bragman, it's always great to have you on the program. we'll see you next week. >> thanks, chris. >> that's going to wrap up this hour of "jansing & co." craig melvin is in for thomas roberts. >> on the agenda, new bombshell

grand jury documents in the jonbenet ramsey murder case, 17 years after the girl's death. they are raising new questions about this very cold case, and the young beauty queen's parents. we are live in boulder with the latest on that. also, republican leader in north carolina is out of a job this morning after some comments that he made on camera about that state's voter i.d. law, saying he doesn't care if it hurts what he calls lazy blacks. do those comments reveal the real motive behind those laws? and also this morning, should jay z drop his multimillion dollar holiday deal with barney's? the rapper mogul under fire after two people said they were targeted while shopping.

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