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always good to have you on the program. thanks so much. that's "the ed show." "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. good evening. >> good evening, ed. and thanks to you for tuning in. i'm live from los angeles tonight. tonight's lead, fear mongering over obama care. creepy uncle sam is back. and so is creepy uncle ted. remember those anti-health care ads? the ones funded by the koch brothers trying to scare young people to opt out of health care. well, they've returned to the small screen. enthis time they're halloween themed. ♪
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>> and while creepy uncle sam is trick or treating in these new ads, ted cruz is trick or treating out in iowa. it's his third trip to the key 2016 state. later tonight he's expected to receive a hero's welcome at the annual reagan dinner. and here's a cliff notes version of what to expect from his speech. more fear mongering and more lies about obama care. it's driving his party into free fall. but they don't seem to care. today we learned they may vote again to delay obama care. this comes as congressman darrell issa is threatening to subpoena records about the health care website. so are we supposed to believe
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this party is all of a sudden interested in making the health care law work? aren't they the same votes that held 46 votes against the affordable care act? the group that tried to shut the government down 16 times over it. and that's trying to terrify people about the law. >> men and women have looked me in the eyes saying i'm scared for my kids and grand kids. >> hundreds of e-mails and phone calls expressing real fears about obama care. >> businesses hate it. individuals fear it. >> the fear is that only the sick will pay to join the exchange. >> which health care plan will you afford so you can see your doctors? this is what keeps doctors awake at night, fearful that life is not going to work out the way they hoped. >> what's scary is that this crusade of his isn't about the health care law. it's about scoring cheap political points.
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even creepy uncle sam knows that. joining me now is jim mcdermott and melissa harris-perry. thank you both for coming on the show today. >> nice to be here. >> congressman mcdermott, let me start with you. why is the gop trying to scare the american public about this law? >> well, they were scaring the american public for the last three years. they took a short break while they shut the government down and made such a mess in the country that they've now got to go back to their same old tune and hope they can scare the american people into voting for republicans. how you do that by telling people that they shouldn't get health insurance for their children or for their family or for themselves is beyond me.
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it is a crazy message they're trying to push on the american people. they're doing it because they don't want obama to have any success at all. if it gets in, it will be the lasting legacy for the presidency and a legacy for the democratic party. and we'll move forward fixing it just as we've done with medicare and social security and all the others. >> melissa, you know, what is interesting is we found out yesterday that even though senator cruz has been railing against the affordable care act every chance he get, he also has been trying to pretend he's a populist. listen to this. >> millionaires and billionaires are doing just great. i think one of the biggest lie in politics is the lie the republicans are the party of the rich. the american people are hurting. this is a difficult time. look, the very rich, they're
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doing fine. >> so he likes to pretend he's this populist. but yesterday we learned he gets his own personal health care from his wife's goldman sachs plan. it's a cadillac plan at that. it's worth $20,000. now, to put that in perspective, a texan working a full-time minimum wage job just makes $15,080. >> yeah. look, i think part of what's going on here is a surprise about what the republican party is. i think ted cruz is not completely wrong when he makes that point that they are not necessarily the party of the wealthy. and all that i mean by that is that the tea party arm of the republican party now is actually making policies. it is behaving in a way that is, in fact, not good for the economic engines of wall street, of health insurance plans, of
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kind of all of these economic interests that we normally would have seen a republican party bowing to. let's just take, for example, the medicaid expansion in the states. many private hospitals, many doctors and physicians, and much of sort of the economy of many of these states would prefer for those republican governors to take the medicaid expansion because they want to be able to serve those additional people. so what we do see is not so much populism, but an ideological rigidity. saying we want government to be so ineffective that it can't even help people who need the most help. >> that's true, but congressman, part of the reason i played that tape is that they have energized a lot of this tea party crowd with this i'm one of you guys, the millionaires and billionaires. like they're over there, when,
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in fact, a lot of those tea party members don't know they are personally connected to goldman sachs and others that some of these tea partiers are antithese policies. nothing wrong with these businesses. nothing wrong with your family being involved, but you can't do this and that. you have to do one or the other. you can't rail against things when you know you are, in fact, part of that. >> goldman sachs was part of what drove us over the cliff in 2007 that president obama has been helping us get out of the hole they dug. and for him to be taking his health care from goldman sachs and then talking like he's just one of the folks is simply, it's laughable. i don't know how he can do it with a straight face. it really doesn't make any sense at all. >> that's my point. and also melissa, another thing
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that i'm very interested in is that they've been all over this myth that the healthcare.gov website cost $634 million. listen to this. >> you pick any big business. if they spend $634 million and it failed this dramatically, why wouldn't that person be fired? >> that website, by the way, the original projected cost $93 million. the end cost, $643 million. i kid you not. >> american taxpayers have spent over $600 million on a system that isn't working. >> at some point democrats will say we screwed up. we spent 600 million bucks of your money. we had plenty of time to do it, and we blew it. >> now, even though the right wingers are saying this cost $634 million, the non-partisan sun life foundation said the cost is estimated at $70 million. so here you are almost ten times
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more projecting an amount ten times more than the estimate of a non-partisan group. more of this scare tactics, more of this trying to brush the whole effort around obama care to be outrageous and outsized in terms of what they really are. >> look. i mean, healthcare.gov has some real problems. right? that is one of the things that the administration stood up, took responsibility for. we've seen this administration over and over again behave in a way that we would expect appropriate responsible elected officials to behave. which is when the president starts down a road and then says i think something is wrong here as we saw syria and he backed up and did work with the national coalition and his own congress. we know in this case they have said very clearly we've made some mistakes around health care.gov. here is our plan for how we are
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going to address those. but there's a difference talking about the health care website and talk about the health care law. and so what's happened at this point is that republicans and conservative commentators have put those two things together. and said because there are technical glitches on a website, that is a failure of the policy. that is politically dishonest. >> congressman, don't you feel that they're trying to use the glitches in a way we had glitches when they had medicaid under mr. bush moving forward. we clearly say that it was wrong, whatever happened in terms of glitches. but aren't they trying to make that the issue rather than getting health care to the people that need it? >> you know, the biggest problem, reverend, is this. in this day and age everybody expects everything to happen right now. they punch a button and expect something to happen right now. and they have no patience
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whatsoever. it takes awhile to get something like this started. when they put social security together, they had 21 million people in this country that they had to give a number to. and the guy came back and said i can't do it. they said yes, you can, go back and do it. we have a functioning social security system in this country that had all the problems at the beginning that this one had. except they didn't have computers. and so my belief is that in two or three months, you're not going to remember what was going on in october. >> well, the patience you're talking about is the patience i again say that they asked us to have through the medicaid under bush. seems like maybe we should play some of their tapes to them. thank you both for your time tonight. and catch melissa harris-perry weekends at 10:00 a.m. eastern right here on msnbc. ahead, president obama throws down the gauntlet to paul
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ryan and the other republican who want to cut the budget instead of creating jobs. >> this obsession with cutting just for the sake of cutting hasn't helped our economy grow. it's held it back. don't tell me we can afford to shut down the government which costs our government billions of dollars. plus the gop's jesse helms problem is back. in a big way. a top republican is exposing the truth about their so had-called minority outreach. plus rush limbaugh is hopping mad about the color pink. we'll tell you why he's seeing red. and why some women may be pretty upset. and friend or foe, i want to know. reply al is ahead. discover card. i wanted to ask you a couple questions.
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school in new york city. he was setting the stage for the next big budget fight in congress. calling for a new investment in jobs. and ripping republicans for making cuts their top priority. >> this obsession with cutting just for the sake of cutting hasn't helped our economy grow. it's held it back. don't tell me we can afford to shut down the government which costs our economy billions of dollars, but we can't afford to invest in our education systems. there's nothing more important than this. that's a message worth sending to washington. no more games. no more gridlock. and give people the tools to make something of themselves. that's what this is about. >> the president wants to build the economy. but the gop is determined to gut the safety net. congressman paul ryan can't wait to start hacking away at these
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vital programs saying, quote, if i can reform entitlement programs where the savings compound annually, that is more valuable for reducing the debt than a one-time spending cut. make no mistake, when a republican like ryan says reform, what he really means is cut. and the allies over at fox are doing all they can to help with a new series demonizing the poor called "entitlement nation." >> the united states has spent $3.7 trillion on welfare programs over the last five years. do numbers like this suggest that america's on the road towards socialism? >> helping the poor isn't a road to socialism. it's doing what's right. joining me now is e.j. dionne, "the washington post" writer.
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thanks for coming on tonight. >> good to be with you rb reverend. >> e.j., after all we've been through, how can republicans justify cutting even more from the safety net? >> you know, you talk about the effect of all these cuts on the economy. if we keep this sequester going with all these deep cuts in it, the congressional budget office did a report and we could be throwing away 1.6 million jobs. that's at a moment when we need jobs. if you look at some of the specific things they've done, particularly in the food stamp program, the food stamp program is in many ways the most bipartisan program we have. it was in alliance between bob dole and george mcgovern after one documentary on cbs about hunger in america. and it's worked. so why throw 3.8 million people off food stamps when the unemployment rate is still over
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7%? these are the kinds of cuts that have to be fought. also they're not good for the economy. food stamps have a multiplier effect in promoting growth. so we got to keep both those things in our head at the same time and resist some of these cuts. >> i suppose, e.j., it also is about how one looks at the role of government and what is important in our society. because let me show you, the what president talked about the importance of helping out the most vulnerable in our country. watch this. >> we should be doing everything to keep families from falling into poverty and build ladders of opportunity to help those climb out of poverty. >> now, these are things we rarely hear the republicans or the right wingers talk about. >> in fact, the great theologian said the real job of politics is
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to try to promote justice in a sinful world. we know this is an imperfect world we live in. we know each of us is not as generous as we should be nap is why we establish some of these programs. we got together and said people in our country should not fall below a certain standard. a kid should not be punished just because he's born into a poor family. and government is the one means we have for doing this. you could not cover what the government does for poor people with all the money we give to private charity in a year. god bless all those private charities. but they can't provide food for everybody. they can't provide health care above all. >> you know, there's not just a war on the poor. what is outraging to me is now fox news is going after kids. watch this. >> who says there's no such thing free? lunch. some schools in florida plan to give out lunch free of charge
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and sending taxpayers the bill. >> it makes kids more fat and deprives families of their ability and privilege of providing for their own children. >> you know, more than 16 million children in this country don't get enough food on a regular basis. and she's arguing that they're getting fat? i mean, this is outrageous. this is really outrageous, e.j. >> i totally agree with you. it's actually the opposite of what's true. the whole point of the school lunch program is to serve kids healthy meals. not meals that make them fat. and the kids on the school feeding programs are kids who may not have breakfast when they go to school. if you're not well fed, if you go to school hungry how are you going to learn? this is how we establish these programs. how do you focus on cutting things for the poorest in our country, why is the focus there? there could be more efficiencies
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in government, but cutting the poor in this way is not the way to make the government or our country more efficient. >> no doubt about it, e.j. thanks for mentioning -- thanks for your time tonight. and have a great weekend. >> great to be with you. thank you. ahead, ted cruz recently said we need 100 more like jesse helms. in the senate. well, tonight another top republican is honoring him. plus dick cheney is slamming president obama over the bin laden raid? nice try, but we're about to get you. and sarah palin's conspiracy theory about a fainting woman is spreading. yep. we'll show you who's believing it. okay ladies, whenever you're ready.
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who is the last person who should be giving any opinion on president obama's foreign policy? just think for a second. any guesses? it's this guy. former vice president dick cheney. in an interview with a right wing radio host, he was asked about the competence level of the white house. this was his response. >> i think the incompetence of this administration in the way they've handled these kinds of affairs especially in the middle east is one of the worst aspects of this presidency. >> the incompetence of this administration? this should have been his answer. i pass. next question. why? because dick cheney has zero credibility on mideast affairs. this is the guy who scammed
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america into an iraq war with false claims. the guy who brought diplomacy to new lows and tarnished america's image. so he's not allowed to talk about competence. the host then asked about the, quote, victory dance that occurred after bin laden was killed. this was cheney's response. >> well, my concern about the way bin laden was handled, one, i was glad they got him. two, they needed to recognize as some have although he never really has, all the work that was done by our intel professionals over a period of ten years to make that possible. and the other thing was that by going public the way they did, they lost, i am convinced, some opportunities. >> so the guy that couldn't get bin laden is now criticizing the president that did? and he's talking about the work
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so what are your friday night plans? dinner? maybe a movie? if you're pat mccrory, here's what you're doing. honoring jesse helms. tonight he will be attending the 25th anniversary of the jesse helms center. yes, that jesse helms. the late north carolina senator
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was notorious for his racially charged rhetoric. he supported segregation. he called civil rights the single most dangerous piece of legislation ever introduced in the congress. >> it was taking liberties away from one group of citizens and giving them to another. i thought it was bad legislation then. and i have had nothing to change my mind about it. >> and tonight north carolina's governor pat mccrory is honoring him. honoring him the same week the national republican party opened a new african-american outreach office in the state of north carolina. amazing. this shows the problem the gop has right now. then supports republican leaders who says this. >> the very first political contribution i ever made in my life was to jesse helms.
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when i was a kid, i sent $10 to jesse helms. the willingness to say all those crazy things is a rare, rare characteristic in this town. and you know what? it's every bit as true now as it was then, we need a hundred more like jesse helms in the u.s. senate. >> a hundred more like jesse helms. and the people pulling the strings behind the scenes, people like former senator jim demint now the head of the heritage foundation, say this. >> jesse helms was my kind of conservative. he was tough. wasn't afraid to say what he was thinking. >> jesse helms may have been his kind of conservative, but he isn't most americans' idea of progress. so you can't claim to be for outreach and support this vision for america. actions speak louder than words.
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joining me are ed rendell and michael eric dyson. thank you both for being here. >> thank you. >> rev, good evening. >> michael, what do you make of the governor of north carolina honoring jesse helms tonight? >> well, you know, this is a matter of the republican party in north carolina showing its true colors. helms was a southern conservative, he was a man who fostered all kinds of controversy because of his identification with the confederacy. he filibustered for some 16, you know, hours against the adoption of martin luther king jr.'s birthday as a national holiday. here was a man who was in the fundamental sense opposed to the best interest of not only african-american people but this nation in terms of its civil rights progress. as dr. king pointed out, civil rights was not only good for african-american people, it was good for the nation. it made us feel closer to the
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line of our commitment to democracy. as a result of that, it helped not only black people but all of america in trying to come together as e pluribus unum. so helms is a step back in the wrong direction. >> you know, governor, i'm not talking jesse helms as a guy that may have made one or two statements that you regret out of for whatever reasons that people may make them. all of us have said things we want to take back. i'm talking about this was the core of his whole political philosophy. this is who he was. this is how he legislated. this is what he fought for. and we're seeing these signals now coming back that frankly are very destructive. in recent weeks we've seen new reporting about right wingers wrapping themselves literally in the confederate clflag. earlier this month a tea partier
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waved a confederate flag outside the white house. and we learned of a senate candidate in mississippi who addressed a neoconfederate group. where are the responsible republicans, the moderates that you've been able to work with when you were governing. where are they in terms of calling out and denouncing things like this and things like honoring jesse helms? >> well, they're in full retreat. and just like we saw in the 2012 election, nobody in the republican party, none of the so-called moderates or sensible conservatives, have the guts to take on this faction. if somebody did, i think it would resound to their own political benefit. jesse helms, unabashed racist. and we've got people who pretend to be presidential hopefuls we whiched the senate had 100 jesse helms. they can hire a thousand outreach coordinators into the african-american community and
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latino community, but if they don't change their message and policies and the things they stand for, it doesn't matter. they can hire 10,000 and they're not going to change any votes. >> michael, the governor mentioned about the african-american outreach office in north carolina this week. but listen to what a north carolina state senator said this same very week about president obama. >> i just don't think it's right at all to call barack obama is traitor. a lot of thing he's done wrong, but he's not a traitor. as far as i can tell. i've not come across any evidence yet that he's done one thing to harm kenya. >> i mean, this kind of birther mixed with racial overtones. this is the climate we're dealing with, michael. >> it's horrible. it's racist. it's anti-american. it's unpatriotic. i said jesse helms spent 16 hours. what i meant to say was 16 days
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filibustering against martin luther king jr.'s birthday in the senate. but this vitriol against our president shows the true color of the north carolina republican party. as governor rendell indicated, allowing the right wing faction to pervert, pollute, and take over what seems to be reasonable republicans, but yet the republicans who defer to this show that martin luther king jr. was right. he said it's not that the actions of those on the -- who are outright racist are problematic. it's the silence of the people who are good. where are the moderate republicans? where are the republicans who would say as you've said that this is wrong, that this is anti-american, that this is unpatriotic, that this is against the best interest of the republican party and certainly america. as long as they are complicit in this, silence the complicity as our best writers and thinkers have taught us about. as martin luther king jr. reinforced.
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we refuse to raise up our voices in repudiation of these birther notions again suggesting that president obama was born in kenya, that he is not american. when indeed he is central to the definition of america right now. and those who proved themselves to be un-american are those who have this hatred right here. >> governor, this in contrast to the republican national chair talking about how much they wanted to rebrand the party and announced their big effort of rebranding. i mean, listen to how much the head of the rnc reince priebus kept talking about the gop's need to attract minority voters. listen to this. >> more to make up ground in minority communities. real urgency of connecting with minority communities. build a recruitment program for minority candidates. promote the minority lead ners our party. especially strong focus on
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historically black colleges and universities. new national field program designed to engage minority groups. >> i mean, it's also schizophrenic. you're having the chairman of the party over and over again, minority, black voters, black colleges. while you're doing things like honoring jesse helms and no one denouncing it. when you're making racist statements about the president, no one denouncing it. you can't have it both ways. >> best thing that reince priebus could do if he wants to attract african-american voters, is he can tomorrow hold a press conference and denounce that north carolina state senator and say, look, president obama's an american. he's a patriotic american. let's put an end to this b.s. that would attract, i think, some african-american voters. but, you know, when you say you're alarmed to hear this, i frankly although i'm alarmed as an american, as someone who wants to see progressive
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politics in america i am pleased to see it. the biggest beneficiary of what the governor did and what ted cruz said about jesse helms and what that state senator said about the president, it's kay hagen. a terrific outrageous woman senator that's going to be in a tough re-election battle next year. she had the guts to stand up on gun control. kay hagen is going to benefit. not just african-americans are going to be outraged by this, but why independents who care about decency. they're going to pay for this. not only will there be terrific african-american turnout next year, but they're going to lose voters who are sick and tired of this divisiveness. >> i'm going to have to leave it there. governor, the reason i didn't rem that helms didn't do 16 days was it was before my time. michael eric dyson had a birthday this week, maybe he remembers it literally. i don't know. thanks for your time tonight. and have a great weekend.
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>> thank you, reverend. >> great weekend to you, rev. still ahead, the right wing's latest conspiracy theory. the fainting lady. it's spreading and sarah palin is leading the charge. plus we've seen rush limbaugh go nuts over a lot of things. but now he's angry about a color. we'll explain. i see a world bursting with opportunity,
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we told you last night about the latest right wing conspiracy theory. the mysterious case of the fainting lady. a pregnant diabetic woman nearly fainted during president obama's speech monday, and the right wing is convinced it was staged. we've had birthers and truthers and now fainters. and since we first told you about this story, it's exploded. it all started with a quick joke on fox. >> please don't tell me this was a staged event. he caught her. out of all those people in. >> you are a good conspiracy theorist. >> the fox anchors may have been joking, but folks at home took it seriously. soon this video was posted on a right wing blog. >> she's very aware that this woman is fixing to go down. she's very much part of it, and she was the one who prompted it to happen. pay close attention to her.
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she never looks over and she smiles when the president turns around. the question is, why would they do this? >> seems pretty kooky, right? but the video got picked up by fox nation. it was on the right wing drudge report, and a conservative favorite the weekly standard. sarah palin said it was no wonder people thought the fainting was fake. folks, i thought we'd heard every possible crack pot theory about the president. there's so many, it's hard to keep track of them all. but i'll give you a shot. i'll give it a shot. ready? drum roll, please. he's a gay kenyan muslim with a fake birth certificate who didn't really white him memoir, lied about skeet shooting, fakes jobs numbers, works with the
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muslim brotherhood, was sworn in on the koran, and is coming for your guns and your gold. oh, yeah. and he makes people faint. joining me now are goldie taylor and james peterson. thank you both for being here. >> thanks, rev. >> thank you, reverend. >> james, we should just be able to roll our eyes at this stuff, but it's actually having real impact on our politics. isn't it? >> it is. and you're right. we should still roll our eyes, rev. but we also have to understand the impact that this has. it's the politics of distracts again. the comments the person said in the video why would he do this is the perfect question to ask. what has to be gained from it? you're assuming that he has a messiah complex he wants to play out. if you want to talk about political theater, you know, why don't we talk about bush on the aircraft carrier at the fake end
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of the iraq war. why aren't we talking about the republicans in white doctors coats after their realized that the government shutdown actually impacts the lives of people who need cancer treatment. there's quite a bit of political theater in washington. but it seems as if we're being disingenuous if we trump it up around the president's appearances. >> goldie, when we brought this out last night you talked about as someone who's had children, that what happened to this lady is not at all beyond what a normal. >> no, it's not unusual at all. what is unusual, though, is watching republicans after they have done presumably an autopsy and created this so-called rebrand campaign that they're still investing in this kind of nonsense. the fact is i saw polls today that said it's beginning to cost them. that 63% of people in this country don't like the gop. that's problematic into 2014. that's problematic rolling into
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2016. so they really have to take a very hard look at the kinds of things they associate themselves with whether it be this video, whether it be a state rep in north carolina calling the president lazy and referring to black people by the "n" word. they have to begin to distance themselves from this and double down on a more inexclusive party or they're going to find themselves out of favor for probably the next generation. >> you know, james, another new conspiracy making the rounds is that the president is forcing all marines to wear girly hats. that story started in the new york post. fox news couldn't wait to talk about it. take a listen. >> the new look seen here careen left compared with the current look is supposed to be more gender neutral. but some say it will make the marines look too girly. what is the word from the inside? what are marines saying? >> every marine is furious they would femme nice the males or
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masculinize the women. >> you know, for the record, the marines say the president has nothing to do with the new uniforms at all. but female marines are getting new hats because the old manufacturer went out of business. goldie, you served in the marines. i know you can't believe this. james, what do you think about this new conspiracy? >> again, this is the same thing. they're grasping for straws here. and i think what the gop needs to understand is if you're going to be led by the entertainment complex like the fox news and the radio personalities, then you're not going to be a viable political party. they need these stories to sell ads. but the gop has to do what -- look at the ratings and realize you need to expand your tent if you're going to be viable. >> it goes further, goldie. you know, they say crazy stuff about just about everything.
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rush limbaugh thinks there's an assault on masculinity because the nfl is honoring breast cancer awareness month. i mean, take a listen. >> i don't know if there's any question. you don't put the nfl in pink for a month. otherwise. the chick-ification of everything is taking place. which what is that? what do you mean? it means that feelings are triumphing over common sense. feelings are triumphing over thinking about things. >> the chick-ification of everything? what's weirder? that statement or claiming that the president makes people faint? take your pick. what's weirder there, goldie? >> i like the term. chick-ification of things. rush limbaugh isn't man enough to wear a woman marine cover on
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his head. so on the football field or off the field football, it has nothing to do with his masculinity or lack thereof. to celebrate or put your arms around breast cancer awareness month and i say this as someone on air tonight with a lump in my right breast, i want women to go out and get mammograms and understand what's happening with their girls. take the girls to the doctor. so if it means i got a football with a pink flag tied on his rear end, so be it. rush limbaugh need to take this poppycock and go on somewhere with it. >> i mean, there's no limits to it. well, i'm going to have to leave it there. james peterson and goldie taylor. and goldie thanks for chickifiying this segment. ahead, what about this video tap dancing on a friday? the video interview is next.
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