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boost credentials for a white house run and does he expect the bipartisan support that he is going to likely receive in this election to him. it is terry mcauliffe against ken cuccinelli. the national bell weather for predicting the larger mood of the nation better than any other state. the third is the new york race, bill de blasio in position to the first democratic mayor in nearly a quarter century. we state in the commonwealth of virginia, luke russert is in the -- where turnout is likely to play a big role. you're also at abby huntsman's high school. >> reporter: she was one and done here. i'm sure if she wanted to name the cafeteria after herself, she could get on the distinguished
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alumni. >> that's not her style at all. what is the mood there? >> reporter: it's interesting. a lot of folks i talked to here in northern virginia, they are more siding with mcauliffe, which is expected considering where we are. in terms of turnout, the name of the game, mcauliffe needs to have a large high density urban area turnout at the high level. what we're seeing is enrichment -- richmond and norfolk, you're seeing this real turnout operation. republicans are trying to match cuccinelli and turn out roanoke and lynchburg. in this specific precinct, on par with what we see during a governor's race, around 20%. we're hearing reports around arlington county and more increased turnout depending on which operative you talk to, republicans are saying, we're doing great and democrats saying we're doing great. what with do know, in areas specifically targeted by
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mcauliffe, like wood bridge and prince william county where you've seen a real increase of latinos and asians over the last ten years, there really is seems to be a little bit of an uptick in voter turnout which is good news for mcauliffe. now, as the day goes on. we'll see. these things are hard to project. but from where we stand right now, with the polling numbers, especially with the libertarian sarvis, it will be interesting in he gets the 10% number. so punchers chance for cuccinelli but from the trends from turnout right now it's looking decent for mcauliffe. but as we can say, anything can happen. >> the last chance for cuccinelli was that terry mcauliffe supporters stay home. >> take care, be well. >> joining us here is the deputy mayor for government affairs and communications and also co-chief strategist and communications director for hillary clinton's
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presidential campaign. and howard, thanks for joining us, turning from virginia there to new jersey, chris christie, it would have been tough to defeat him no matter who democrats put up against him or how much effort was spent against him, he just is a very popular governor there. did democrats make a mistake in not focusing more of their attention there trying to at least land some punches? should we be nervous looking down the road at 2016. >> chris christie is setting up a narrative for himself that could catapult a presidential candidacy. if you look at what happened in virginia, the republican is probably going to lose and lose badly. he will say my brand of republicanism in a blue state has been successful. i'm coming up with a very big win and that's the kind of campaigning and kind of policies that republicans should be running on all over the country. so he will point to himself as the kind of republican that can win everywhere and contrast it
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with virginia. if democrats had tried to rough him up a little bit, it might have helped some. there was a reason why there was no strong democrat interested in running against him. he was very popular. >> that's what he's going for, he can appeal to minority groups and women to actually win general election. obviously people are already writing about the next campaign for chris christie, nate kahn put out, chris christie's presidential campaign starts tomorrow. in the piece he says despite his reputation for moderation, christie checks the crucial boxes of the religious and business wings of the republican parties, pro-life and against gay marriage. on the surface, you can check those boxes. if you actually dig a little deeper there are a number of conservatives angry with christie for not being conservative enough on these issues. if you look at gay rights, he signed legislation to outlaw therapy for gay teens and obviously he refused to fight against the ruling to legalize same-sex marriage. immigration is another one. this plays well in the general. we're talking about the gop
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primary, if he's not willing to do this whole mitt romney tap dance flip flop on these issues, how do you see this playing for him? >> he may have a problem in the republican primaries. it is very difficult for somebody who is not very, very deeply conservative to get through it. it's hard for me to imagine him flip flopping or tap dancing, that would go very much against his brand. what people like about him, even if you don't like his policies, there's a perception he tells you like it is and he's honest. if he tried to sort of dance around these issues it would hurt him tremendously. the model i think that they are looking at is the george bush model. george bush won when he was governing running for re-election, two years before he ran for presidency, he ran up the score and touted his accomplishments and in 2000 ran as a nags nal conservative and pushed back against what was the perception around the extreme republican wing in congress. people don't remember that about george bush now because we think
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of him as a conservative. but he tried to run not quite as a moderate but compassionate conservative. there's a path for chris christie to try to do the same thing. he's clearly setting up that narrative now in contrast to what's happening in virginia, that he's the kind of republican to appeal to democrats and independents. >> i don't know what you're talking about. i think of george w. bush as a huge moderate, big spanking -- compassionate -- >> look how he ran in 2000. he did do a lot of that footwork. >> the other test we'll know when we wake up, did running against obama care work well enough in virginia or not? the republicans have lost a couple of elections that way and may lose another one by tomorrow morning. the question though for the democrats and you used to advise a lot of democrats, how do you take the economic attack that the house republicans issued here against the country, and all of those problems, how do you extend that out the next year when people move so quickly
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and forget the fact that you had an irresponsible house republican caucus that was willing to sacrifice a lot of jobs just to make a pointless point? >> i do think there are some republicans in house seats that are too conservative for those seats. if they were people who supported the shutdown, they will take a hit in the polls. but a lot of republicans as you know, because of gerrymandering and redistricting, represent districts where there is really no contest from the left. a lot is from the right. you see that in alabama, there's a primary where a democrat has no chance in the general election, it's a contest between a very conservative republican and tea party republican. and the very conservative republican, he basically -- he believes there should be a government and that's what makes him pal atable to business groups versus somebody who goes to washington to shut washington down. >> one of us always gets up for
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a new yorker like yourself. let's talk about new york and how new york is symbolic of national trends. de blasio got through the primary largely because of what he was talking about regarding criminal justice reform. his opponent, who is so irrelevant that i'm not allowed to mention his name on a national broadcast, his opponent has tried to employ the fear of crime tactic that has been working well for republicans years ago, works less well now. and i think that's indicative of really important national trends, that they are not going to be able to use that fire of crime tactic that worked when you're talking about reagan and talking about crack king pins and first george bush talking about willy horton and these sort of things. >> i have think new yorkers for 20 years elected republicans and independents to deal with the crime problem that had gotten out of control in the 80s and early 90s and to a large extent,
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although obviously any murder is one too many, that problem has been solved as part of the public consciousness. crime is very, very low in terms of what voters in new york city care about because we don't have a lot of crime here. the issue of welfare reform as a political issue that republicans were able to use against democrats, welfare rules are down significantly in new york city and around the country. and that's not an issue that republicans can use anymore against democrats. so at least in new york city, with basic core government functions being delivered in an honest competent way, with crime down with the perception of government spending out of control being somewhat dissipated, these economic issues that bill de blasio was able to run on were very salient to the 40% of the primary electorate that voted passionately for him.
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>> thanks for your insights. >> up next, what today's races say about the nation's politics at large. prize winning author john meacham joins us now. we'll play some of parker's greatest hits, starting with scrapple from the apple, in this case the big apple. "the cycle" rolls on. when we made our commitment to the gulf, bp had two big goals: help the gulf recover and learn from what happened so we could be a better, safer energy company. i can tell you - safety is at the heart of everything we do. we've added cutting-edge technology, like a new deepwater well cap and a state-of-the-art monitoring center, where experts watch over all drilling activity twenty-four-seven. and we're sharing what we've learned, so we can all produce energy more safely. our commitment has never been stronger. so i deserve a small business credit card with amazing rewards.
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we're waiting to hear from the mayor of toronto, today admitting to using crack. we'll take you live when it
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happens. moving onto the news of the day, we just spoke about the individual races in new jersey and new york and virginia. when you pull back and look at the national political picture from a chair is mattic moderate republican cruising to re-election in new jersey to a surprisingly liberal mayoral candidate crushing his opponent in new york, to a long-time opera tif, narrowly leading in the virginia governor's race, you might scratch your head and wond wonder what's going on here. our next guest writes america has been a nation of contradiction and these differences lead us to greatn s greatness. the living, breathing political encycloped encyclopedia. john, it's always great to have you here. first, what do the local races taking place today tell us about where we are as a nation and as a electorate?
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are we making too much of speaking this in broader terms of what this means about where we are as a nation? >> no, because what we would do otherwise. >> i don't know, actually. >> i'll start there. thomas jefferson never had to give the crack cocaine speech. so i want to get that -- john adams, a whole different story. to be serious, i think it's really interesting because you do have a trend toward more the center in these three races in new york, christie in new jersey and mcauliffe wins in virginia, you do have a democratic day in two races and have a more centrist moment for christie. christie is a conservative guy. >> he'll tell you that too. >> because he's winning in a blue state, we think of that. all the while, the president is in a kind of freefall because of the health care rollout.
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you have three jurisdictions taking one -- a path toward three candidates who believe to greater and lesser degrees in the public sector and efficacy of that and you have the country really turning on -- i guess sort of embraced it before they turned on it. but it's a really tough moment for government nationally. it is a classic hamilton versus jefferson kind of moment. >> you talk about the jefferson yan roots here, in your book, 1783, you write about what a different congress it was, it was a deliberately weak body create by articles of con federation, no separate executive and congress couldn't tax or regulate trade or raise an army. it didn't really trump the states which you write were essentially sovereign nations and jefferson had a different vision. you write in your book, fixated
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at governing at the national level and served on a committee to consider ben franklin's original proposal in the articles of con federation and jefferson was a persistent advocate of more central command. why was that so important to him? >> because he was ultimately a pragmatic politician. one of the things that goes to what we all do all day and what we think about and a lot of folks that we know and love think about, thomas jefferson was a career politician, for 40 years from 1769 until 1809, almost constantly in public office. he stepped out for a little while, running but by and large, he was there. and he believed in the life of the republic. he believed that the american revolution and ensuing american government was the embodiment of this extraordinary idea in western culture about human self-government. and that was something that was precious to him. and while he -- no one talked
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better in needlepoint pillow terms than thomas jefferson about small government and liberty and blood of tyrants and all of that. but fundamentally watch what he does, not what he says. he was a man who wanted to make public life work. >> needlepoint pillow small -- i like that. >> i can attest to that being a graduate of the university of virginia, they have his little sayings on every building there. >> it's unclear whether wa hoo comes from jefferson -- >> getting a little too much for me. chuck todd is pointing out it looks like it's going to be a bad night for the tea party and i'm sure we'll have pundits saying here comes the tea party death spiral. i say hold it completely because we're far from the end of the tea party, partly because of the motivations behind the tea party come from a very, very old and deep strain within americanism. and i think you touch on some of those strains in your book, out
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in paper back now. while you're answering that, where is your pulitzepulitzer. >> behind the refrigerator. i do think that's right. we are a country to use a faf fairly simplistic metaphor, we try to stay in the middle of the road. we hit the guardrails from either side from time to time. it is always required, i believe, equal parts, public sector and private sector. the idea it's all government or private enterprise is a totally false choice. the rhetoric, i don't think sepsible people think that, but you can see how the rhetoric of the tea party or sometimes of the left when they are out of power, the rhetoric becomes apocalyptic. richard hossetter wrote an estate in harper's magazine, the par noid style of american
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politics. >> yes. >> the movements of the right and left fall prey to a kind of paranoid sensibility when they are out of power. because when they are out of power, they feel anxious. they feel disoriented. so there has to be some larger conspiracy. there has to be something going on, some forces against them. it can't just be for the moment they are losing the argument with the american people, which is likely what's going on. >> in the home of jefferson, virginia, there may be a longstanding historical trend broken today if terry mcauliffe is elected. since 1973, virginia always elected a different party to the governor's mansion than who serves in the white house. this would be the first time that you have a democrat in the white house and democrat in the virginia gofrer's mansion since 1973. actually then it was two republicans. sometimes these trends, it's kind of just a coincidence, do you think there's something to this trend in virginia?
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do virginia yans like to kind of divide power in that way typically? >> i want to say that you all receive the dork fact of the day award. >> hello. >> for this. even for me, this is stretching. i think it's -- i didn't know this until you said it. i do think that -- >> is that a good thing? >> no clue. but one thing about virginia, they have an election every three weeks. let's be clear there. >> we do. that's true. >> az one term governorship. there are lots of bell weathers in virginia. what i would argue about virginia is national significance having gone for obama twice, it is changing. the northern virginia, as we know is heavily part of washington. and southern virginia and western virginia more conservative. it's a little like tennessee, my native state in that way in that there are ways in which different regions represent larger national forces.
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i think that if mcauliffe wins, the national significance is going to be, wow, the clintons are back. that's going to be a big story tomorrow. >> i will say it does not get dorkier or wonkier than ari. thanks for joining us, we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> up next, the story that had our newsroom talking, a 300 pound plus nfl lineman who claims he was bullied so badly he left the team. we continue to watch developments out of toronto where we will soon hear from the mayor who has admit d to using crack. you heard that right. this calls for his resignation have grown louder today. keep it here for the latest. ♪ ♪
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the news cycle begins in new jersey, the closest to the man who killed himself inside the
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largest mall are expressing shock. the brother of richard shoop doesn't know what caused him to barge into the mall and fire several shots before taking his own life. no one else was hurt but they are familiar with shoop because he had a drug problem. oklahoma republican senator tom coburn's prostate cancer has return. he's undergoing treatment and evaluation this week. and also suffered from skin and colon cancer previously. the white house resumed public tours seven months after they were suspended due to the sequester. they have returned on a limited basis, three days a week down from five. the first family, doug -- >> made it back to earth safely after a fiery mid air collision. this exclusive tehelmet cam sho the 12,000 feet above wisconsin over the weekend and describe living through it to "today"
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show's matt lauer this am. >> it was so small at the time. it seemed like it's getting closer, closer then all of a sudden it clicked, this is too close. >> and the impact? >> the impact i think just threw me back. >> wow. turning now to where a new case of quote, bullying has gripped the country. this time there is a twist. it's not some high school kids or college kids. it's 300-pound professional football players, dolphins lineman richie incognito has been suspended indefinitely for harassing jonathan martin. he is accused of sending voice mails and text messages containing racial epithets and pro fain language. he is at the dolphins training facility with the latest. kerry? >> reporter: he has not been fired or let go. if there is an announcement of that, they say it will come through official channels. it's important to note, richie
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incognito is being investigated by the nfl. this is not an internal investigation of allegations of bullying by the dolphins. the allegation, of course, is that player, jonathan martin, who is also on the team here, just couldn't take it anymore and pointed the finger through sources close to his career, that he was being bullied but richie incognito. the nfl says they are taking this extremely seriously, even though it took almost a week for the allegation to grab hold. initially it was one of those cases where they said that well, it may be jonathan martin needs special time away. this is clearly opened up a can of worms for this sport, raising questions about what goes on in locker rooms. crystal? >> thanks, for that, let's bring it to the table. there are a lot of big questions, kerry posed one, what this means to the bigger picture. one of the things we've been
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talking about here, whether this should appropriately be called bullying if the allegations are correct, racial epithets and someone being forced to pay $15,000 for a trip he didn't even participate on. on the one hand that seems to rise way beyond anything that could be considered bullying or hazing. on the other hand, i think it was allowed to persist because people did put it under that label and made it acceptable because they thought, this is just sort of boys will be boys kind of a situation. >> i think you hit it on the head. the language makes you think of certain things. if the language is high jinxes and kids, hazing and what happens, it may seem somehow not only less troubling but actually give you the wrong basically the wrong idea of what's going on on a lighter note, take a listen to this. >> i just saw this documentary about bullying and i know you hear that and thought, really,
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kids getting bullied in school, making a big deal about it now. that's what i thought going on. kid sitting on a bus and how is it going? kid goes, i hate you. i'm going to murder you and cut your face off. and then put it on my face and then look in the mirror and make fun of myself. so i saw that, yep, this is a problem. >> and it's funny sad in the sense he's hitting a point that a lot of people feel, which is, wait, are we being too oversensitive or some have said wrongly, they are big nfl players can't they handle it? can you handle being attacked, threatened or crimes or extortion? the last thing i wanted to highlight, the definition of bullying is a blusterring squaurl some overbearing person who badgers or intim dates smaller or weaker people. harassment goes further, unwelcome conduct based on a
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victim's unusually characteristic, could be new to the field, or so severe or persuasive it affects the conditions of employment. they are employed -- >> i'm not sure the word hazing or that discussion is in this. this is clearly not hazing when you call somebody and use the "n" word and say i will kill you. that is harass. bullying, taunting, there's no place in the workplace. we see nfl people and media folks saying jonathan march taken is soft, he should have handled it differently? no, you go this is a workplace and this guy is trying to intimidate me. the $15,000 does not bother me as i will kill you, using the "n" word, sometimes being hard is about taking the nonaggressive or nonviolent route. especially in a locker room where guys are ready to fight and might have a gun.
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part of this is about the whole nfl culture, right? the article saying today, coaches say a given person might be a horrible human being but he's our horrible human being, sfr certain players in certain positions is cherished. they are going into a street fight, we want to make sure we have at homicidal maniac on other side. what does that do in the locker room? >> we can all agree this is abuse. i don't think anyone should take that differently than being abuse. i hope he's held accountable. -- his career is over. >> i hope that it is. but it's this vicious cycle we see with quote/unquote hazing or abuse, this is what we went through. and what it does, it causes young are guys to become very bitter and turns them from the victim then the aggressor and they then do it to the next guys coming up. it's a cycle that doesn't end
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and it's horrible. >> krystal, that's something the country looks to and takes cues from. >> a lot of people for better or worse do look to the nfl and the conduct of their heroes on the field for how they should be behave. >> i want to point out, there are no rules of the road for this. you need to say, where do you draw the line and say this is considered abuse? >> which is a whole other conversation. i personally think hazing in any way is unacceptable. we are not the only ones with thoughts, we threw it down to our friends online. if richie incognito should be banned from the nfl for his actions and the response was overwhelming, 91% of responders say yes, he should be shut out of the league. do you agree? where do you think the line should be drawn? head to facebook/the cyclemsnbc and join the debate. when votes are counted in virginia, 300,000 citizens will be missing from the rolls because they are convicted fel n
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felons. does that mean you should lose the right to vote forever? we'll dig into that timely topic next. jackie: there are plenty of things i prefer to do on my own. but when it comes to investing, i just think it's better to work with someone. someone you feel you can really partner with. unfortunately, i've found that some brokerage firms don't always encourage that kind of relationship. that's why i stopped working at the old brokerage, and started working for charles schwab. avo: what kind of financial consultant are you looking for?
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states. chuck todd notes that voting has become a right that varies depending on where you live. >> the real issue is what's going on in the states. this is a larger problem where basically, if you live in a blue state, you have one set of rights. if you live in a red state, you have another set of rights. >> about 14 states bar inmates from voting while incarcerated, another 31 states use rules that deny voting rights to exfelons, even after they have served their time. if those former inmates were simply allowed to vote, about 4.3 million people will be added to the electorate. that's over three times the margin of victory in last year's midterm elections to the house. >> the right to speech and free exercise of worship and religion, right to due process, right to own property, we don't deny any of those rights to the formerly incarcerated, which is why this sticks out. >> joining us now amichael
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skolnik and global grind.com. nice to see you again. >> nice to see you, ari. >> you heard the national president of the urban league saying something that makes everyone take a step back when you realize it. when you come out of prison, you have your rights to religion and speech and due process, and yet in many states you don't have your right to vote. >> i think we also look at the racial component of this disenfranchisement of african-americans across the country. one in three african-american men in this country right now cannot vote, have been barred to vote because of this law. that goes from state to state. if we look at the history of this country, we have created laws from slavery, to jim crow, to civil rights and now to the prison industrial complex, that has tried to keep african-americans out of the political process. >> michael, this all ties in to how we deal with people we receipt out of prison.
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do we want to stigma ties them and wear a scarlet on their forehead forever or permanent disenfranchisement keeps them on the outside. in michelle alexander's book, the new jim crow, i've lost all voice or control over my government. i get mad because i can't say anything because i don't have a voice. and an e convict that her voting rights restored, says i feel like somebody, it's a feeling of relief where i came from that i'm actually somebody. disenfranchising folks is a way from keeping them from feeling part of society. >> tour'e, i was in miami in liberty city during the 2012 runup to the election and i met an older gentleman, probably 80 years old, convicted in 1973 of a drawing criug crime. spent a year and a half in prison, in 2008 he was allowed to vote because the laws changed in is a state. for the first time in his life
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he felt like a man. in 2012 under the republican rick scott, they took away that right from him and he cried to me. this man kriped cried saying i longer feel like a man. i have just want to vote for the president of the united states. >> are the politics shifting? because legislation does exist at the federal level, the count every vote act as ari points out in his piece, to fix this problem at the federal level, do you think we could see a solution like that in the future? >> i think we're seeing an incredible shift in this country, not just around voting laws but around the war and drugs and mass incarceration and deal with people in general. you look at the libertarians and the house and senate and rand paul has been very vocal on these issues. i hope -- we talked last time, i hope that republican democrats can come together at least for nonviolent offenders and let's at least agree on that, they certainly should have the voting rights back. >> absolutely. >> i've spoke be to the
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legislative staff over at senator paul's office several times. they've worked on this on the war on drugs side which is how people often end up in prison for nonviolent offenses for 5 to 15 years and also may be interest in republicans getting involved in this, even though in some states that might not help them electorally, some people are putting politics of it aside. what do you think from your time in prisons briefly is to making it a mainstream issue? >> we should never have a conversation about what party someone is going to vote for if we give them the right to vote. everyone in this country should have the right to vote, no matter, republican or democrat and we'll fight until that day happens. >> thank you very much. coming up, we'll head north of the u.s. to canada where toronto mayor ford is set to speak about his admission about using crack cocaine. [ mom ] over the years, i've learned how
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saxophone of all time. after crouch spent decades working on him. i'm delighted to have him talking about it "kansas city lightning" the rise and times of charlie parker. welcome to the show. >> thank you. >> what makes charlie parker so great and so important? >> well, the way he can hear. he can hear -- jazz musicians have to hear the whole context when i am proadvising but he can make beautiful notes that he chose to play while other people are playing their notes. and that's what all jazz musicians do. he was one of the best ones who ever done that. >> he was and died at such a young age. talk about the relationship he had with heroin and the impact that ultimately had on his life. >> it had the impact you think it did. it helped him die. but, alcohol had a lot to do with that.
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the thing about charlie parker, he was a classical, epic hero, because all epic hero, they are very gifted but all very screwed up too. part of what makes them a hero is their ability to come over their shortcomings. the greatness of charlie parker's life, as screwed up as he was and strung out on drugs, he still practiced 10 and 15 hours a day and mastered the saxophone. it was very difficult to understand initially. >> some of the time he's actually high? >> we don't even know. all we know -- >> i would imagine so. >> well, yeah -- >> at least once or twice. >> he might have been. he might have been. but the thing is, see, to master the saxophone, the saxophone
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doesn't hear, those notes that go down, they go down the same way whether you're high or not. >> that's right. >> his control was so extraordinary that people who actually didn't like him, they started crying when they heard him be able to play because he learned so fastfocused, that he run off band stands, and he just said, boy, you've got to go away. and so he got mad, and he actually learned how to play. and that's a lot of what the book is about. it's about the way he learned how to play, and the demands of the city and the vitality of the community that he lived in. >> you've said that to do real jazz, you have to compromise. >> right. >> a lot of people say jazz is uniquely american. >> right. >> is there any relationship there? >> well, i think that jazz is the only performing art that i know of in which the level of
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sophistication is demanded of playing actually takes place at a digital speed. see, every jazz style you like, everybody is playing that fast. because they are playing -- they're relating to what they hear immediately. and see, there is no other performing art i know of that is that demanding and has been that well-done. charlie parker is a perfect example. louis armstrong, of course. all of these people do the same thing, they don't play the same way, but they achieve the same thing. >> quickly, you've written a lot of great stuff about politics, as well. we're about to elect a new mayor. any thoughts of the man everybody assumes will be the next mayor, bill de blasio. >> i haven't thought about him much. i'm happy he's out there. if the public has a choice between him and another guy -- they've got to go with him. you know. i'm not a big de blasio fan. but -- >> why not? >> well, first thing is, i'm not
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really sure that the things that he wants people to believe he can do can actually be done. as fast as he claims he can do them. that makes him more like obama. obama is a wonderful thinker, a wonderful dreamer. but the question of american politics is can you make the dream happen. >> i like having dreamers leading the government. thank you very much, stanley crouch. always good to see you. up next, krystal and the amazing feat being accomplished by republicans in virginia. yet there is a catch. first, a final take of charlie parker. this is case of blues on msnbc. i started part-time, now i'm a manager.n. my employer matches my charitable giving. really. i get bonuses even working part-time.
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richard nixon was in the white house tying yellow ribbon round the old oak tree was the number one song. we weren't born yet but toure was. >> what? >> and something happened in 1973. that year marked the start of an historical trend that could be broken tonight if terry mcauliffe wins the governor's mansion in virginia. in 1973 with nixon in the white house, republican mills godwin was elected governor of virginia. that was the last time's that the party holding the white house also won the governor's mansion in virginia. since then, virginian versus preferred to maintain the balance between the national executive and commonwealth executive. so when it was reagan in the white house oh, we sent democrat
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chuck rob to the governor's mansion and when it was bill clinton, we, unfortunately, elected george mccontacta allen. this trend has stood the test of time even as virginia has changed from a conservative southern state to a much more moderate purple state, reaching even further back, according to the "roanoke times" the dems sweeped, it would mark the first time since the days of the bird machine, harry bird senior's storied political organization, that democrats held all statewide elected offices. and if terry mcauliffe wins today, it would be the first time since reconstruction a party lost the governor's mansion after only a single term of holding it. last time that happened was with the 1879 readjuster's party, a party i did not know existed until today. i had to ask steve car naki about it. my point in all of this, the republicans had had a lot going for them in this election, not only did they have several
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long-standing historical currents flowing rapidly in their direction, it's also not like terry mcauliffe, exactly the ideal candidate. look, i actually like terry. you know what you're getting with him. and i think he'll be a good governor. because he knows how to get things done. but he's hardly a beloved political figure. terry is the guy who left his wife in the delivery room to go to a "washington post" party. he wrote about that in his book. he relishes the most despised of political activities, fund raising. and he's hardly got a world beating favorability rating. so it's not like republican ken cuccinelli is facing a great political tigtan. what else could explain his political demise today? well, what were some of the theories offered by republicans in past elections like, say, after john mccain lost? >> for the more conservative democrat, if i vote for hillary over john mccain? >> a conservative is not a man that teams up with teddy kennedy. >> conservatives, i should say, more than republicans, who just won't accept john mccain.
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>> and what about after mitt romney lost? >> romney is not a conservative. >> mitt romney is all over the map. >> mitt romney's position on the issues, not conservative enough. >> hmmm. something tells me that the not pure enough argument is not going to work with mr. "i favor anti sodomy laws, god will punish america for abortion rights," ken cuccinelli. so republicans, i'm all ears, what's your excuse going to be this time around? what could explain your loss of them nently winnable election, an election in which the historical cards are already stacked in your favor, and you proceeded to stack them further by purging voters from the rolls and passing voter i.d. law. will you accept the truth that cuccinelli is as outside the virginia mainstream as i don't know hugo chavez would be? would you accept that ken cuccinelli's views are just too conservative for a

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