we do not have the luxury to become neutral in antikiv and what boundaries we have outlined for a future neutral ukraine, we cannot believe them now in our program today. hello, this is the meeting place on ntv, the place where everything becomes clear in the studio of andrey norkin and my colleague ivan trushkin. we are working live in turkey in istanbul today. regular negotiations between the russian and ukrainian delegations began with a one-on- one meeting of the heads of these delegations vladimir medinsky and david rahami we talked, but what can we talk about in detail? uh, still unclear. or maybe even more incomprehensible. all due to recent events. well, even if we talk about the fact that it is possible to conduct consultations on certain humanitarian issues. on what, like, as if the ukrainian side so periodically name. for example, the same mr. podlyak member. uh,

the negotiating adviser to the president of ukraine for this delegation, he just turned right before the start of these negotiations with calls to the world community to provide additional armament to ukraine because it is necessary, uh, to triple russia's losses mmm. here. well, and another more important story, probably, the west finally saw the facts of war crimes, and the ukrainian side, because the footage of the torture of russian prisoners of war is on the network in the public domain for several days, as if at first they were not noticed. there was even an official comment, i think the day before yesterday, that we had not seen anything. now they saw it, looked at it, they said that it was necessary to deal with it in such a gentle way. well let's go in order, terrible video footage of torture of captured russian soldiers by ukrainian nationalists was circulated on social networks. the video was allegedly filmed in the

kharkiv region on the territory of a local dairy plant. ukrainians brutally interrogate many russians . ask the investigative committee has already been told that, as a result of investigations, the perpetrators will be held accountable , according to the public movement, a tribunal that collects information on war crimes kiev torture on video is led by a militant banned in russia azov sergei velichko is the leader of the kharkov neo-nazis, who until recently served a sentence in a ukrainian prison for racket banditry and extortion, but was released after the start of a special operation. the

greek edition of the steam politician insists on the involvement of the azov people in the shocking story. and in serbia they have already called for the ukrainian military leadership to be judged, and they did not remain silent in the german bild. the author of the story, yulian rebki, previously ardently supported ukraine posted the video separately on his social networks to convey the behavior of the ukrainians. there is every reason to believe that this is a real war crime of the ukrainian troops, which should be monitored by the minister of defense of ukraine and president zelensky , all the facts must be established and the perpetrators brought to justice, official kiev hesitated with a reaction for a long time , at first they stuck out the hostage in a comment for cnno twr, everything accusations called the video a fake, but after the indignation of the europeans. zelensky's adviser aleksey istoriivych said that every fact will be investigated, torture was discussed, and at the talks in istanbul, vladimir vvedensky said that ukraine had promised to investigate the

crime and punish the perpetrators. this protest was accepted by the ukrainian side, they promised to take the toughest measures. well, if the first to catch them are those who allowed these war crimes. if they catch ours, then you understand. they heard us, well , they really heard us, but in general, not all of them. we haven’t actually listed all the media yet, who paid attention to this on spanish television, a lot of material came out. what should i say that the spaniards, like the germans , showed these shots. without any cuts, but we cannot show all this for understandable poetic reasons, because these are our citizens, their relatives have remained here. and in general, all this is not for showing on central television. this is to show it somehow in other areas. well, on the other hand. the devil knows, maybe it should be shown, because you encircle the internet

we are accused that we are committing war crimes, because we are blockading mariupol and then there is something like representatives of international there is no mariupol itself. although there are other journalists. so vitaly andreevich, so again, a question that is already uncomfortable for me to ask, but somehow every time it sounds new about what to talk about at these negotiations. you know, of course we should. now i will say this with bitterness, although i am not diplomats and not an official, nor an official, not a state duma deputy, but we must use this site. if possible, at least for some situational things, make life easier for someone, make it easier for someone to get out of mariupol there is a feeling that these people are with whom we are negotiating today. they don’t control anything there, they come with us, talk to us, make this lenten mine, return somewhere in a nato helicopter, it’s not clear where to their place, either to ukraine, or to poland, or to some other third country,

and that these people control what they can really have an impact on the same, you know, the national battalions are high, who are now releasing their own war criminals from prison. they could have been the result of this hat, which they wore and released themselves for the crimes that he committed under ukrainian law, he was in prison. so they made your thoughts, maybe they counted on the fact that this person and like him would be engaged. these are the actions. and then all the attempts of these here masters far away and others to somehow fence themselves off from them. it's just a screen. it's just yes, yes, we're investigating. we'll see we're there ah-ah-ah, but in fact, when they are alone, they discuss that it was a cool video 100% moreover, i will now say, perhaps, for many, a radical thing, but we must stop sharing the responsibility of the national battalions and out loud, because in my opinion in

my opinion, many including people that i see that are about human rights. uh, the ukrainian official refused to cooperate with our party on issues of compliance with the rights and prisoners. and what about the national battalions? moreover, i urge everyone to stop drawing this line, which is the national battalions. it's such a beast. there are vsus that differ from them in some way for the better, but we continue to talk. we continue to talk, but do not forget, who did you correctly say in all these standards, who let these people out of prison , zelensky's administration, which includes, among other things, these hypocrites, who slinged these people on supposedly this information warfare, who in recent years has driven them into the fact that the invaders will come at any cost, they need to destroy any moral rules of the position , the people themselves, in fact, put it into their heads that when the russians suddenly come there should be no moral boundaries, this is the installation of an ordinary terrorist an organization that does not perceive not that international law,

which lasted from ordinary human morality. that's international law. now it's rather complicated alexander nikolayevich and how much do i understand? you don't believe it's real at all frames. i have seen on the internet and not only these, by the way, saying, well, let's put it this way, uh, i don't believe in the stanislavsky system. just. well, i think it's a staged thing. that's where they shoot in the legs. this is the part i saw ukrainian or ours. i can hardly understand, in general, if people are engaged in, let's say, terror against prisoners of war, then what the hell is it for to shoot this further now, during the war, alexander nikolayevich is enough. this is in some common chat to inspire people from the ukrainian side, who may because of this, they were embarrassed to do it and thought that

it might not be necessary, that it was possible to do this, that it should be done that way, that you would be encouraged for it. that 's why you shoot a row. i am not sure, let see what will happen. in general, all this caused a colossal. naturally, the west, uh, terrified in hysterics, but i wanted to say about something else, you know what thing. this is the beginning of what i conditionally call the guerrilla war and what they said about the fact that zelensky may not be fully in control of the actions of his armed forces that looks like the truth. that is all this breaks up into separate skirmishes like such a large guerrilla war and like there is a war of spain against napoleon yes, in fact , spain, even during the civil war. this situation is very long and difficult, because it is almost impossible to win such a war, and

during our previous programs, even before the twenty- fourth of february, repeatedly, including, in my opinion, even many a, such a phrase was used as ukraine, the state terrorist and then maxim anatolyevich, in my opinion, told me that too emotionally it is impossible to fall. but now i just look at the facts dryly, then you understand that this is not an emotional assessment, but quite adequate. these shots, filmed in the pokrovsky cathedral of the city of cherkasy region, are armed people of a sporty appearance. later it turned out that the so-called territorial defense units of ukraine were dragging the priest out of the cathedral and kidnapping him no fights. bold in the city. not now, all the fault of the priest, his parish belongs to the orthodox church of moscow patriarchy. if kidnapping is a pure criminal offense, it is not clear. how to call to

account those who block the ability of civilians to go through humanitarian corridors on the one hand, there is a violation of international law, but there are nuances with regard to the ukrainian national battalions, for example, they were hiding there or covered by someone, but such a thing as nazi bandera not in international humanitarian law, therefore this dehumanization is the dehumanization of a group of people, if you follow this the logic of ukrainians, as if you can not kill this is a crime. but you can kill the nazis a little hope for an international criminal court. in addition, they began, in fact, to cover up the traces of war crimes in ukraine, the british authorities sent a judge from this instance with ten years of experience to advise, kiev how to avoid accusations? attorney general swell, briberman has appointed sir howard morrison as an independent adviser to the prosecutor general of ukraine, irina venediktova , he will provide independent and expert legal advice in relation to the investigation

and prosecution of war crimes committed by russia in ukraine, work will begin immediately, but still openly terrorist, the history of which the international criminal court. it is unlikely that he will be interested at the rovno npp for several weeks now, four employees of rusatom have been kept. they are simply not allowed to leave the territory, and recently they were forced to record a video message with anti-russian statements, the ukrainian authorities ignore the demand to immediately release them alexander yurievich and our first plot and the second. well , isn't this proof that ukraine is a state of terrorists. you need yourself in this. to be honest. i don't need proof. and with this i agreed initially as early as the fourteenth year. just look at a couple of remarks from the previous story. so you say that you can release criminals and kill rapists from prison. and that one, but something else cannot be done, but you know a mad dog is easy to let go of the chain, but try to put him back on the chain. that is, the one who unleashes a rabid dog from the chain, absolutely understands

what he is doing, he releases destructive murderousness, the other side of this dog shoots the refugee , and with the person who purposely let him go, law enforcement no one deals with negotiations with this person. especially not with a dog . firstly. you just wrote correctly, in the near future, first shoot a rabid dog, then deal with his former owner. these are just the prospects for the former ukraine for the next six months there, as regards negotiations. why are these negotiations taking place? because every time i am tired, for example, u answer questions. and why? and so long? why do we talk all the time. and here we are talking. i 'm trying why are the negotiations taking so long. no, why the negotiations will enter at all, people do not understand. let me answer. let's say there are certain rules of conduct. note, do not swear at the word of the rules of our country and our

president is always under any circumstances the most brutal and most crazy. he is still a lawyer, he tries to follow the rules, even if the opposite side does not follow them, as far as the negotiations themselves are concerned. in general, everything is very simple. all installations were given. two delegations gathered. we pose a question. the first. uh, the recognition of crimea by the russian dpr lpr as independent. that side says, we, we will not be this victim, well, point two, bibiretarization of ukraine, we will not be a question of status neutrality, point three. yes , we don’t have nosification of nazism, the item is a neutral status. let's talk. we ate and talked then we return to the first point and parted the same time. these are the same people who are sabotaging these negotiations. ukraine encourages this is all that we just showed you alexander and it turns out. you see, during the day, conditionally, these people look like some kind of negotiators who need to shake hands, and in the evening, when no one is looking to call, they become.

let's for one confuses our appearances. yes, it doesn't bother me. i'm embarrassed that we're talking to them. yes, andrey vladimirovich, first of all today's negotiations. i totally agree doomed to fail. i mean the political part and the humanitarian part. yes, there will be discussed and discussed the issue of withdrawing people from mariupol in a western direction, first of all, and is being discussed, the second issue in which the ukrainian side is interested is the cessation of hostilities for the period of catholic easter, which we have at the end of this week with them. but this is a very big question correctly noted, yes, catholic easter, which in ukraine is this a big question for ukraine because it is a question, but it affects a significant part of the population of ukraine and so on. yes, yes, as far as it's concerned, that's why it 's also very difficult here, where people are celebrating. as you said, the catholic paska in western-western ukraine is nothing like it is celebrated in kiev , a small percentage is celebrated in kherson. well

, it doesn’t matter, but the fighters over the battalions, they also distract the church on easter, the question is, just because you can listen to me, please, you can stop for a while religious holiday, if everyone stops, yes, but they, this is the question. yes? this is the first second question. maybe i'll stop at the first for now, because we'll talk about the political part of the negotiations later. there, in principle, nothing is clear to me either. i'm talking about the humanitarian part, so, uh. i would just like to, if you had such conversations, but it was not clear to me, for example, why did some of our colleagues from the media, including the media recognized as enogenes, they talked with president zelensky including, for example, dmitry muratov, winner of the nobel peace prize, no one asked a question about the torture of russian objects. i have an answer. now now i

'll explain andrey some water with him, i've started. and is there at least one fact, not that of a similar, but simply some kind of derogatory treatment of ukrainian prisoners, which means that there are no such facts, but i don’t surprise you. and it doesn't surprise me. this is because even if they are, we would not learn about her students. let's do it differently. come on, you won't be stock there is some evidence that they are hiding. so i say that if we do not see them, therefore, it is possible, perhaps, there is a possibility to hide our informational things. all this will happen somewhere. this is inevitable as far as the situation with the prisoners is concerned. aha yes there is one very serious nuance. the fact is that the geneva convention applies to prisoners only if there is a war. uh-huh, i understand this, there is already the author of new newspapers. yes, there is simply no legal norm

about which it would be possible to condemn those people who who engage in torture. well, we just can't find an article for them, so we will build on this fact, because all the rules of the geneva convention on prisoners of war are not applicable to the current situation. and here are the people who are in the video, whom we took away. do you know what they know? that's it. here and uh, one more thing that i just wanted to remind everyone here i will give you the number one 1980, the most difficult year of our operation in afghanistan, up to 1,000 484 soldiers and 192 officers died in a year 2022 in 1 month we lost 1,351 a person thinks so in these figures, what do you want us to lose, you want to say, but in the darkness and ukraine are the same states. how many thousands and how many thousands of ukrainian army afghanistan what weapons? let's compare, then that's all, otherwise, what are you comparing, and completely

incomprehensible things from them are completely incomprehensible. this will be the eras of 1980 when only the afghan army was in 1980. i say afghanistan fought for us, we did not fight. i mean a month lost. so many people so many levels of conflict laws. maybe this just says that we need to think about how to stop. eh, clean up get up. and maybe even really stop following the rules that the other side does not follow and no one says to use more effective methods of warfare, we already use them. well, that means it's not enough. maxim anatolyevich, you said that you have an answer. why? yes, because i was asked a question to zelensky being interrogated, and i had it too, but in unlike those who i don’t mean you, there

in social networks and so on they begin to talk about without knowing and without asking people. i asked if one of those who ruled the interview with president zelensky was worried about solovyov, my colleague in businessman vladimir solovyov did not, but the head of the union of journalists. and this is volodya solovyov from the commissar, which means, and of course, when we saw this interview in the evening. it was actually taken long before and, of course. volodya solovyov at the moment when he asked his novices, by the way, speaking very professional issues that zelensky was avoiding. he didn't know about it. and even if he had, he wrote to me that i was imprisoned. to ask questions about the peace process at the talks. but if he knew, i am sure that this question would have been raised. here is my own answer, i understand, but it has not been voiced yet. well, because they didn’t know it yet, there wasn’t an interview then. no

, just, if so, let's just don't get personal now, my friends in this situation in this situation a journalist. just does the following is trying to convey his position as actively as possible and should have appeared. excuse your colleague's statement that guys, i didn't ask this question because the interview is now being sorted out by bogdan tours, so let's postpone it. she is very journalistic, as always to lead the social military. come back again to my proposal is not a proposal. why know the negotiations feeling? this is the opinion of the armed forces and the opinion of those people who are on ukrainian territory in the area of ​​hostilities, they are very outraged by this. i won't convey what they asked to do with the protest to the medinan military, because it is, well, indecent on the first oh, on your federal channel. it

will sound indecent. the negotiations had only a few meanings, the first humanitarian corridors that we see, what the hell humanitarian territories do not let anyone out of mariupol. yesterday , 680 venediktov, they spoke, they said that the organization of corridors towards russia is a crime, that you are leaving for poland or we will not speak mayors and now they demand that, accordingly, there were no humanitarian corridors . you are the defense killing everyone who wants to go out or accept humanitarian aid and so on. what is the point of discussing humanitarian corridors then, no second exchange of prisoners. oh, well, it's just really against this background, it's like here you can discuss something at all. what kind of exchange of prisoners with these animals that shoot their knees or drive a knife in the eye, it is not known who with these rights are radicals who beat even those who can now be beaten in the basements it is impossible to pull out of captivity. well, it's impossible to talk to someone pulled out.

i mean already leaves there. well, i'm telling you, i like it. i'm talking about how, once again, it is possible to agree on this on the basis of human rights for ukrainians, who should do this together with our muscovite, she refuses to talk about it. she does not want in this process that some part of the prisoners is exchanged to save at least one of our days. i would have to negotiate. maxim anatolyevich once again, the ukrainian side is not a war, the ukrainian side is at the official level. i am i would therefore continue to say that this state of terrorism is the ukrainian side at the official level. this is mrs. denisova, she refuses to conduct these negotiations. who is it then, if not a terrorist person, so those facts of the exchange of horseradish. these are agreements in the margins. there is no need for nikolay's opinion. don't get out. kazakov will tell you about his opinion. you or how, when there them

in the fourteenth and fifteenth and later. yes, when it came to that. this is then already relatively calmer times. when the patriarch took part there, then, yes, they changed large groups, and now talk to them. well , probably impossible, with all due respect. so, if there is a chance to save, at least one of our guys should listen to this use. just don't. don't try to present me as a person who, as it were, does not want to use this chance actively. i say to speak, do not go forward to say that someone from speaks in trouble, we close our eyes to this , we need to talk, but we need to get it out of there. well, not in these negotiations, there are other ways and others not in these negotiations and not with these people. it is these negotiations that are being conducted with those people whom you see in the sight. is it possible in russian? sorry, but you admit that the kremlin does not understand this. and if

these negotiations were sanctioned, it means that here we see that the negotiations are meaningless, while the kremlin does not understand medical science incomprehensibly. why do i ask there. and i have the right to ask so simply so a citizen. that's it. we have a very strange, as it were, situation, it turns out. now people will think that you are defending the kremlin, and i am against the kremlin. attack. okay let's. let's finish, bogdan, too. yes, you know, here, as such an excuse for ukraine, they often say that they do not control the apu or the national battalion. and why send a helicopter then to mariupol to take the commander who was shot down there, who was shot down, so they are connected with them, there is a connection, so they want to save, so they consider it theirs and the last thing about the staged video, mr. son in the ukrainian prosecutor's office has a very large many hours of video tornado battalion which tornadoes themselves needed to shoot on their phones. there are worse things. they actually sat down for this one, yes. well, for an hour there is nothing different from this one that is

not here, there are worse things there. and these people. now they are also released, they are also released in order to fight the russian army with the people's question. why take it off? but this had to be asked of the germans during the war. why did they film the execution, yes, in fact, uh, the negotiations have only one, and the point is to show all the uh, ins and outs, and ukraine because indeed, this is the version that it is not the ukrainian troops who are doing this to show the areas, to whom to show around the city and the world. yes, i can interrupt you for a second, now it will continue, let 's show the city and the world. so, now we will give you the opinion of a well-known swedish specialist there, i don’t remember how his man is there, we will write his name there, some kind of stockholm institute. he 's an expert on eastern europe and all that. here he explains that uh, so all this uh, our conversations about need to be done there. this is no myth nazis. no. azov is no nazi formation there. an explanation. so, why in the fifteenth year the us congress included, this

unit, this formation in the list of extremist neo-nazi organizations, but says, it was then in 2015, and then they entered the ranks of the officially armed forces of ukraine and so they are no longer nazis. they are wonderful soldiers, let's listen to these people now. just okay, and so to speak, something to explain to this. the regiment was indeed created in 2014 right radical activists, but later he was integrated into the national guard under the control of the ministry of defense of ukraine from that moment on. azov ceased to profess any ideology of symbolism. the wolf hook remained on the uniform of the regiment's fighters, but in ukraine no one ties it. this is with echoes of nazism. today. it's just the regiment with the best pr in the country. this makes him popular among the recruits. indeed, in ukraine, azov will emerge as the toughest military unit. that is, it turns out, good pr. anchor to this led to this, that if it worked in the first week, and how to say special operations,

now it is already meaningless, this is, if we compare the negotiations that were conducted, and negotiations with a clove in czechoslovakia of the movement of our troops . uh, with the nadia of hungary, this period has already passed. now we are well aware that there is more than this division, but, as it were, the artificial one that was created in the information space, what is it? it is necessary from the battalion and good zelensky no longer exists. it really a single tourist, and a state that already needs to move everything from negotiations directly, and to actions where a, these negotiations have already shown that there are no more contractors who can really change something in ukraine, there are no those who want to there is no one who could do this, so here we must clearly move on to the tasks that the special operation faces, across the nation. we must stop recognizing him as a legitimate president, which is now shown and. well, there is something like this herb that, well, how to get in touch with

an expert in stockholm, an analyst from the gomel center of the latter lives in kiev, and he lives in the kiev academy, and so on. he has always been on all platforms since the euromaidan at least said that they need to attract the power of ukrainian nationalism. no need to attract radicals. despite the fact that he seems to be considered. an expert on radicals and uh, on all platforms, he accuses russia of all cover. even peacetime has been living in kiev for a long time, maybe he is in the ukrainian zone, and then the so-called went and looked . there, in my opinion, he went along with the osce to the line of demarcation, in my opinion, he had these famous delegates. i want to say bad things about all the swedes. but the fact that in sweden it has always been quite a lot because of the times and it is still preserved. it's sorry medical actually. he, in my opinion, he doesn’t even fuss, in my opinion, he is a german, and even again, even in peacetime , his german experts on russia considered him such a professional russophone, that is, in in this sense, and now to explain, nothing will work. that is, when he says that

azov is there, this is not what you think, and so on. this he is cunning, because he himself, again, he is still an expert to some extent. on the extreme right, and he also wrote about azov , and when, so to speak, in peacetime he wrote about azov, he wrote more or less in scientific journals, that's right. there he is not nazism, symbols and so on, but as soon as the matter concerns the political agenda, when he speaks. how to polit. quicker they are like there expert he says that there is nothing of this no at all here we will not be able to ignore you. see. thank you for dive into the biography. this, lord, well, yes, the french 24 was quoting him, he knew that he was being shown to the european audience, as some kind of analyst. but you explain to me. you communicate with everyone. these are the international venues, you just know about him , but some international experts, not russian ones, they are about azov banned in russia and its true essence was understood before. after 14-15 year, or they were here in this beautiful place, but captivity that these are not nationalists at all. in general, these are the holy armed forces and touch. they are not allowed, dear people, see ivan tsarevich. this means

a narrow expert about, which experts will say there on eastern european right-wing radicalism, for example, they certainly knew what azov was. they certainly knew about ukrainian nationalism.