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everything becomes clear in the studios of andrey norkin and ivan trushkin. we are working live, we will start today with the results of the next round of russian- ukrainian consultations that took place in istanbul. and i thought, at first, that i would start today in the genre of such a cheburashka will now speak to you. here then i thought so, i thought i abandoned this idea and decided that all these questions that i have are better. and as i understand it, we will discuss not only with our guests, so i’ll remind you very briefly, but initially, i don’t know , we agreed, but it was announced, at a minimum, that consultations would take place. uh, for two days on the twenty-ninth of the thirtieth, that is, tuesday and wednesday, but already last night it became known that there were no additional meetings today. there will be no consultations, however. well not a representatives of our delegation said that the conversation was generally constructive, and

even several statements were made, which, well, the most interesting thing begins in our country , raised a lot of questions. i put it so mildly , and in ukraine they were met with stormy and prolonged applause. let's see our first material on the talks in istanbul ukrainian delegation. for the first time i brought my written proposals, the details were revealed by the head of our delegation, vladimir medinsky, from his words. ukraine is ready to declare neutral nuclear status under the guarantees of other countries, as well as to refuse to deploy foreign military bases, not to produce and not to store weapons of mass destruction in russia, in response, russia decided to take two reciprocal steps. the first concerns. uh, a gradual military escalation drive in two directions in kiev and chernihiv. this is not a ceasefire, but the desire to gradually escalate the

conflict at least in these areas, the second big step on our part is related to the possibility holding a summit meeting at the time of the initialing of the treaty prepared by the foreign ministers in kiev, this statement was perceived almost as a capitulation of russia by local commentators. they are already talking about a meeting between zelensky and putin. how the russians dressed decidedly decided to curtail the operation and capitulate. this is great news. ukraine is doing something that no one in the world expected, destroying a country that nato is still afraid of. well, they got it and decided to drastically reduce activity. let's see how this decision and statement will be reflected on the shelling of the hero city and the city of the martyr. chernihiv hostilities do not stop the armed forces of ukraine drown the invaders in blood. and we are not in decline. even vice versa. ukraine showed everyone how to fight and defeat the aggressor, he

relied on a blitz and the joy failed, however , it was short-lived, as vladimir medinsky clarified, not a ceasefire neither about the meeting, putin and zelensky speech. no, not to mention signing some kind of peace treaty. first, countries need to at least, at least agree on something with the press secretary of the president also clarified the main positions. dmitry peskov, we can not state anything that promises a lot of any breakthroughs. there is still a very , very long work to be done, the negotiations took place and they ended. in this case, nothing was reduced. we will not invade crimea, it is part of russia. and according to our constitution, we can not discuss the fate of the russian regions with anyone on the territory of the russian federation, this is excluded. well, let's remember yesterday's our the program of yesterday's conversation. i'm here everyone and vanya , too, we tormented with questions. why are these

negotiations necessary at all? and that was before all these somewhat strange statements were made. hmm, our program had already ended by this moment, that it was alexander yuryevich, i also tortured you on this topic yesterday. yes, i can remind you how you finished the first part. quite right. i got out and got to the car and uttered another word for the same letter, but these are still the first emotions. by the way, on your own program. i am i warned you over and over that it would be difficult. in the first days of the operation, i said that we would still see terrible pictures, we would still be there, provocations, anything. what provocations, so i tried yesterday to understand why we are negotiating, when now i have another question. e, why do we need negotiations, if after these negotiations we are forced to explain, and in some ways even disavow the statement of our representatives. so, why are negotiations needed, as in the case of the

united states and nato, we are from ukrainians they sought, uh, pieces of paper, because you can never trust ukraine and nothing is safe. yes, you know, there are the minsk agreements of the headquarters formula that the germans had a piece of paper. at least their proposal was written. i don’t know why they were voiced by the medical, this is a medical problem, although no, ours too. uh, in that sense, negotiations. e hmm in that sense they were constructive hunting was like i was talking about yesterday. donbass crimea is not discussed demilitarization is not discussed. yes identification is not discussed neutral. but at we have an excellent offer. let's be constructive. dali, that is, in fact, the progress of the negotiations and, uh, the information company after the negotiations. these are actually two different stories. and then explain to me that alexander yuryevich , if there is this piece of paper on which there are ukrainian proposals, when they all got together, they wrote a letter 1 2 3, 4 5, if this piece of paper goes like at least some discussion of the

status crimea, i'm here, honestly you understand my emotion. i don't really understand why this take paper? as soon as we see the word crimea in this piece of paper, this piece of paper is sent. in my opinion. i may be, i do not make a decision , this piece of paper is sent back to the person who wrote the medinian task, including the task, the postman handed him the paper. he took her to moscow. he's not authorized to bring her back. hmm , he has such powers. no, he drinks in moscow. in moscow, i know that no one noticed this yesterday. i listened twice tonight. ah, here's a press conference, including a deputy the names of the minister of defense, yes, and he uttered a phrase there that we didn’t catch, and i wrote it down, it turns out that either the ukrainian paper is called that, which was transferred either during the discussion, but he just pronounced it easily the name was about a treaty and listen how it was called, in

the execution of fomin, an agreement on neutrality and without a nuclear status of ukraine, as well as on providing ukraine with security guarantees. here i have a question. it's generally that i can answer negotiations. that is, i understand correctly that demilitarization denocification will be included in the treaty of neutrality without a nuclear status. moreover, ukraine without a nuclear country. they promise us that they won't do it. uh-huh and they piled it all up. well, in fact, this paper is ukrainian. yes, in moscow now after working with her in the midfield. i even think to the president, i won't show it. she will answer that everything that you wrote is complete garbage, we return to the beginning. so let's now wake up vladimirovich tell the ukrainian version. well, first of all, uh, i'll say honestly, really, i just managed to talk at night, so the occasion, and there is really a lot of joy, not all the results. uh, poroshenko means the istanbul summit. why is it the difference

that this is a tactical victory of ukraine, as they call it? why are they called tactical victory? i agree, that means, first of all, because at least i was told very clearly that we are talking about no peace treaty. we are not at war, we do not have an official war, so we can only talk about an agreement on additional ukraine's security guarantees, what will we write there? this is the first moment, the second moment is very interesting, which means that this is what i already told last week about the content of this element on the referendum, that is, only through the referent here. all guys, a referendum only after the withdrawal of troops to this position and, uh, they were very pleased with the fact that, as they interpret, again, this is, uh, a division on crimea. this is the so-called fifteen-year moratorium on status. again, i don’t run into you now andrey vladimirovich explain that they were glad that they themselves wrote it down or that vladimir statislavovich

went to the microphone and read what they wrote, which it did not receive some kind of harsh unambiguous, and the assessments there at these negotiations and so on , that is now they actually turned out to be a winning situation, they were glad that our chief negotiator, mr. medical, did not act, since i suggested that when i saw the word to the crimea, send this piece of paper. after all, he acted like a diplomat, and no way. uh, i agree. only revered it for many reasons. he just got her. yes, that's why now. uh, what will happen now? now we are drawn into a long tedious. a useful period of negotiations, when the question is, first of all, what kind of treaty will be the most important and concerns it for an infinitely long time and second in the order of euphoria, then because on the same evening, after all these statements by mr. goncharenko were, please, be quiet, please, a bill has appeared in the rada on the complete seizure of property.

e russian orthodox church in ukraine moscow detachment. the law was ready for another month and a half. it looks like here they rejoiced and decided to celebrate another law was prepared so that a month and a half ago, with regard to kiev and chernigov, they were really happy about this, but uh, in fact, the picture is objective, we cannot do anything in this direction, because if you look at the space reconnaissance, the deployment of our troops there and in this area is a force that is absolutely insufficient for the most ancient issues. who is showing you? well there is the possibility of american sims, no. yeah, and these forces are not enough to organize a full-scale attack on kiev, of course, look, and we ourselves will finish the part with vladimir rostislavich, if he is like a negotiator, uh, as they say here the postman, well, the postman is a

wonderful profession, very important and necessary people. then he and all the other members of our delegation. and if they get some kind of written, there are written proposals from the other side. they take these proposals since they don’t have the authority to immediately discard them and say, well camera so, and the talks were held in a constructive way. we received written proposals from the ukrainian side. thank you, goodbye dear friends. i went to dinner, as lavrov said. remember, when zakharova lavrov or the president will speak more and more, there is one more point that concerns our delegation. i don't really understand why? such a high-ranking official, as the deputy minister of defense, publicly announces in our country, and the plans for the conduct of military operations, if we say that we have a military special operation, then this hostilities. we act act somehow. yes, why was it necessary to publicly talk about, well

, actually, medinsky also says that we are here in this direction, so we are doing this. if you remember, yesterday we had time to discuss this moment. on any air, here in the family, then i received this news on the phone. i read. and even then i expressed, as it were, doubts that i like the only ones more. here, in fact, is a version possible for me that we are really now concentrating our efforts on the destruction grouping makes it possible, but why talk about it? because in exactly the same way, then the ukrainian side gets the opportunity to regroup something from there, or vice versa, they can state something to throw kiev there. we are doing this. now we will simply move on a little later to the statements of sergei shoigu, who, as it were, puts everything in its place in a dark place, i will say, firstly from a military point of view. this speech of medinsky has quite serious consequences, because it will contribute to the intensification of actions and

more rigidly more rigid breed of the ukrainian armed things. spoke. this is the first moment of the second moment. i want to say, let's translate, now why are they rejoicing from diplomatic to russian, what does medical say? so the initialing of the contract with whom the regime, that is, we are talking about concluding an agreement with the nazi regime. we this nazi regime is considered zelensky as the legitimate president. we think yes, the president concludes an agreement with him. so we assume that this mode remains to exist, it turns out so, the second. we refuse certification. we refuse, of course, demilitarization, that is, the meaning of this entire operation goes nowhere and this means capitulation. now we have the structure of our troops, who hear the mood of the ukrainian troops, who hear it. this will be directly stated in the course of hostilities further. when it was said that

the other direction is decreasing many times over, it was added, because there are people in kiev who make a decision and you can’t bet to threaten them we translate into russian from the diplomatic one there takes care of the life and well-being of the nazi leaders. well, we imagine another assumption that levitan announces that there is from the soviet information bureau so that we withdraw our hitler's resignation unit so as not to interfere with hitler's making the right decisions. yes? here is an example. yes, what is it, that is. eh, in principle, i can only say one thing, that any active citizen in russia immediately has a question about what is going on there at these negotiations. and why are they there. uh, abramovich, for example, is a citizen of an enemy state. in the sense of the european union, the european union is a state. citizen, so that the states

are all so, well then, i'm sorry then what he was to visit then, i'm sorry let's publish all the materials of these negotiations so that we can know what is happening there from trump so more this i want to say an interesting thing. i have koko citizens of uh russia, as well as a military man, suspicions that some kind of grandiose treason is being prepared there. now on to what is essentially affairs, so, uh, defense minister shoigu put it most clearly, he clearly said that he completed the first stage there. well, as a matter of fact, this is what they are talking about since the task of the first stage was, uh, liquidation. uh, so to speak, the military potential of ukraine, it has been achieved. the armed forces of ukraine , as we show, yes, and naturally, in these conditions , the task is to destroy the most combat-ready encircled groups. this is what needs to be turned over forces. you are absolutely right. who, when , where during hostilities report to the enemy?

we will have, most importantly, the direction of the blow, where we we are still moving the instrument is still negotiating. but we well, let's then, so, uh, to make it clear, firstly, and on him yes, firstly, ukrainian. eh, the country clearly said that in the event that russia starts what i’m talking about now with the liquidation of the group that is located on the territory of the zabass. this is 60,000 sixty-two thousand military personnel of the armed forces, then all the negotiations will be the task of one said to understand, the second what they said, and in the case it pleases that russia supported us joining the european union, since joining the european union ukraine no, this is where the medical officer read out the proposal of the ukrainian side adrianovich. here, now you are dealing with information about the medical proposal to the ukrainian side, these proposals contained, among other things, the approval of the entry. winners say that we

won't object properly. this is a quotation from andrei vladimirovich's document; it was written there that russia would not hold back against joining. these are ukrainian ukrainian documents. why else are they happy? because so two replicas of you are the last uh, did. why don't they rejoice, because joining the european union opens the way for them to the european army well, which does not exist for our army. we'll be back sergei kozhebetovich, we've already mentioned it twice today. there was indeed. yesterday, a large meeting of the unit, from which a was public, journalists were present there, it was said, firstly, important words were once again said that conscripts are not sent to any hot spots, because now is the spring conscription and again constantly here in these here the smell continues ukrainian fakes that conscripts will be sent. so to get to ukraine. and, of course, the minister speaks in some detail about the progress of the special operation. as the minister of defense said, the main tasks of the first stage of the special operation were completed, the ukrainian army

suffered significant losses and the main goal of our military is now the liberation of donbass, the minister of defense. at the same time, he emphasized that the special operation would be completed only when all the tasks set were completed, air supremacy was practically destroyed, the air force and the air defense system ceased to exist the country's naval forces suffered a significant loss in all formations of ground and airborne assault forces in mariupol on the eve of our military took control of the infamous mariupol drama theater, where the headquarters of the battalion banned in russia was located. azov and the building itself was used as a bomb shelter on march 16, the militants blew up the theater, but for the people who had previously been hiding in the basements and trying to get out. fighters. opened fire, look friends. two buildings showered two floors, crumbled the drama theater is aflame with people whom you managed to endure, where they talk in the drama theater, and the representatives of the

spiders fired back for the armed forces night after night. ukraine shelled the microdistrict. in donetsk , a shell hit two residents of a high-rise building in a residential building, according to the headquarters of the territorial defense. the dnr is dead. i fell right on the sofa and the windows were clouded with fog when i got out here. it was generally a disaster, honestly, frankly, there was no such thing as people with children on three floors at once, in short, a one and a half year old girl was pulled out from under the rubble. how long is she now she is alive, but stanislavcheg is in the hospital. here are two 200 stories. yes, yesterday 's ukrainian euphoria here are negotiations and instant morning this night shelling of donetsk. that is, i have a feeling. what are they doing? all that is these proposals, which medinsky carried, as was said today, like a postman. they were immediately packed in gornaya. they didn’t even lay down on the table for anyone , but there is some kind of

irritation on the russian side. she's noticeable, really. i also read. everything yesterday. eh, so to speak, possible publications are relative. here let's say the position of the russian side in the negotiations, supposedly. we are from the rada on all fronts. but you know, after they cut trump out of twitter, and hmm there was, it means there is no one to read. michael mcfaul of the former ambassador began to read to me, so he wrote, the following is just in the context of the withdrawal of russian troops. uh, well, a decrease means tension in the kiev direction. he wrote that it was not the kremlin that was being taken away. ah, troops. it is the ukrainian army that is pushing them back. that is, such an atmosphere, you understand, and of course, such, uh, actions, of course. unfortunately, either there is support, ongoing support from the uk , but in relation to ukraine, of course. this contributes to the fact that the ukrainian side is different. believe that they are about to er, so the direction is this is a nightmare. this shouldn't happen at all. q if you already have a military operation, then only combatants should participate in them, then here are the people, as they were during 2014

. uh, actual weapons, not the first time. they ask a question. as far as i understand it, trying, uh, to understand whether the following was not provoked by our own comments on the negotiations with these statements, but by a sharp increase in the activity of the enemy. it seems to me that she is not there in the last days. it didn’t increase there, it didn’t decrease, that is, as it was, the fighting there, so leave it as a grouping that stood about kotovsky , it can’t go anywhere, because it is surrounded by an object. well , look, the negotiations depend, including on the operational situation at the front, and a month has passed in first turn. first of all, of course, more than a month has already passed. since the start of the military operation, and we continue to see that donetsk luhansk continues to be subjected to shelling, a and air strikes. this means that this issue has not been resolved at the turn

at the turn of the donetsk and lugansk regions, within whose borders russia was recognized by the dpr itself, the lpr. the russian army has not yet left. and i don’t know why this is the largest one, because yes, nevsk, and to a greater extent, luhansk was not there, i don’t know, donetsk is one such large agglomeration, that is this is itself, the city of donetsk, which is a road and flows over , and villages, settlements, what is called around this big other, which one crosses a lot , and since the armed forces of ukraine they are not just standing in an open field, it means they are shooting at donetsk, then their destruction would take. i think they stand minutes. here in these very settlements , moreover, uh, shelling these cars. they move from different streets in order to make it as difficult as possible . moreover, their destruction would also entail getting into residential buildings, since people from there opponents have not gone anywhere, using all possible methods in order to ensure for themselves mainly that a month has passed, and not if

we acted, like the americans in iraq, simply burning everything in their path, then, probably, a month would have passed, it would already have been it would be different, but we are like the people who went there, who fell back into the dpr, he still doesn’t even return it, that is, a number of settlements that once now only confirm my theses. we act softer than i don’t dispute that if we didn’t face a war, but that doesn’t make things easier in the negotiations, because the opposing side proceeds from the specific current situation. at the front. they understand perfectly. why is the russian army acting like this, can they roughly imagine how the russian army will continue to operate, how will the promotion be? they see that not only kiev chernihiv or the amount? and you can’t kharkov. they see that odessa nikolaev is a city there, in addition to kherson and the kherson region, which are also not completely for the most part it is under control. well, there are also some problems. they all see

the negotiation process for us because of this, it is seriously complicated for russia. it's simple. we need this negotiation process. i have a stronger and stronger feeling, it is absolutely mine , unconfirmed by anything, that we have begun to conduct these negotiations in general, but in order to at least somehow reassure a little. e of our europeans to peace the world with him, if you paid attention to emmanuel macron, the right ear is red all the time because he calls all the time. putin well, listen to the peasant's elections in how many weeks in uh, but he always sees the fate of the world, well, you need to somehow help him. all right, we will translate these and conduct these negotiations. i don't see them make any sense, i didn't see them at the beginning , much less now. i see no point in these negotiations. come on, now andrei nikolaevich konstantinovich will find out later, i agree with you. we're sorry, well, at least at the level of mr. medina, as well some other representatives continue to live in the

rhetoric and situation until february 24th. that is, when behind the scenes and everything that happens. there it was more important than being brought to the surface. but now i really have a question about what happened yesterday. this happened because the only gentleman did not think about the reaction of russian society to what he was saying, so there was no such task for him to think about how he said, and then you know, the ukrainian side is very interesting for us, in fact, losing the war. let's call it truth. look closely at the map. when you say that we do not yet control ukraine well, excuse me, we control the kherson region. at least here we control part of zaporizhia, we control part of the kharkiv region, in general we are in russia. no, we are not near kiev already in the deep rear. actually. in general, you understand when we talk about it. we are talking, and if we are talking about an assessment of a truly martial law, then i'm sorry, it is much more losing, nevertheless, ukraine does not give up wants. for some reason, we are starting to play along with this. for some reason, we begin to reason and make some gestures. you understand what the problem is, in general,

the problem was not even that we are making concessions from some positions, the position is that the main thing was the question. if we make any concessions in terms of de-escalation , the question is that we get a batch. naturally, here and now specifically we must receive, but at least a promise guaranteed under camera to stop shelling civilian objects created by for the same donetsk from the ukrainian side. they won't make such a promise, but if it's something personal, mr. mizinsky saw, there are some moves from the side somewhere behind the scenes, arkhangelsk will give him a lollipop. this is the only thing the ukrainian delegation deserves. you see , using such rhetoric, because now i’ve come up with a better idea that a baseball cap with a big z- as it were now , in fact, i think that the russian side should be much more. worry about what they think in donetsk, what they think in moscow in novosibirsk and not what they think, and these curtsies in their direction. yes, i believe that yesterday was such a

classic day they were deceived in the history of france, er, the 17th century times decided to have such an episode of the day of the deceived that when everyone decided that they decided to retire. in fact, everything happened exactly the opposite. so, some people in russia in ukraine definitely considered themselves deceived yesterday, and some people actually turned out to be . but all this happened. i agree with this as a result of the fact that, firstly, the head of our delegation for some reason, i can not get a full explanation of this began to voice the ukrainian conditions. although this is not his role. in my opinion. this is the role of the ukrainian delegation itself. she should voice her suggestions. and after that, i don’t think that on my own initiative, but on someone’s definitely higher initiative, chen of the delegation from the ministry of defense stated what

he had said about the kiev chernihiv direction. this does not really find a pragmatic explanation for me, even on the basis that then i i heard that in this way medinsky exposed the ukrainian delegation and created problems for zelensky, who began to fight off the nazis, who would not accept this option, and so on. first of all, it is not our delegation that our leadership should be concerned about the state of mind on the front line. and the condition of people who are under attack, including in the donetsk luhansk people's republic under shelling. that's what should worry, and secondarily all other diplomatic manners. i understand that the conversation about kyiv the chernihiv direction is necessarily interconnected with the need to regroup the rotation and everything else, but to report it publicly. even if it’s clear to someone, on the other

side it’s absolutely not necessary, and they remember, i’m not a military expert, but i don’t remember someone explaining the insertion of the supreme high command during the great patriotic war, where we will attack, where we we will not? and who do you mean, here are the people who really turned out to be scams. this is who i think turned out to be deceived by those who shouted that everything and read today's newspapers are transferred to newspapers steps towards a constructive world, here it is all a dream. here, here, it is something. and in fact, i am sure that nothing has been achieved as a result of these negotiations , because in fact the ukrainian side completely abandons the very requirements that were from the very beginning on the table , it leaves them and does it publicly and in these proposals this also happens, because almost immediately, well, somewhere, probably.