ves, in general, worked quite actively in the donbass in the fourteenth or fifteenth year, you know, when they were later asked why they were then asked to leave from there. uh, some of them were caught spying. and the red cross. in general, i did not argue with what really happened. well, some employees got in there, then they were allowed in again. you are already closer about a year and a half or two years ago. again they appeared in the donbass, uh, they promised not to spy, but they are together with the osce. e sorry how to say that? culturally fled even before the start of this whole company gathered one day they left. that's where the obse was needed now. yes, they were sitting there, and when the war was in the fourteenth or fifteenth they were engaged in the same espionage. quite normal. but when it was necessary to fix the war crimes of ukraine, they suddenly turned out to be gone. no, of course, it didn’t, what else did they transfer a huge number of cars of their owners, right? he continues to follow the cars with the abbreviation there, but

about the cross, by the way, help to use the latter at the expense of the committee. the un has now also done good statement of the next committee, yes, uh, so look, we fixed the use of cassettes. uh, ammunition from the russian federation. yes , yes. well, we have some information that maybe some information was used in ukraine yes , point everyone saw and they saw this cassette and these traces in the center, donetsk well, no, i don’t see any. i don't see it here. this is how the international will work against our initiative. uh, on appeal, warriors to the red godfather. and i already in fact, i doubt i doubt, because we they talked to you for years, they talked about the role. they said for years that they didn't. well, in any case, of course, no matter how weak it is. two bad

people no way. actually abolish it, because it is still a platform where you can express your attitude friends. i think this is all old history, old history. who is interested in what platform, who is what there? eh? who explains to whom that there that you are against our initiative along the line against? well, this is an initiative, as they say, there won’t be at all nothing at all means nothing, nikolay, look . hmm, the schedule of our special operation. let's show. so, see the demilitarization of the status of a nuclear-free country, the refusal to join nato, the denazification of the independence of the people's republics, as a component of the success of the special operation in ukraine. and there is a statement, actually our ministry of defense. let's listen right now. in the kiev and chernigov directions, a planned regrouping of troops is taking place at the first stage of a special

military operation carried out by the armed forces. russia on the territory of donbass and ukraine planned to force the enemy to concentrate their forces, resources, and military equipment to hold large settlements . in these directions, it includes and forge them on the battlefield and without storming these cities. in order to avoid losses among the civilian population, inflict an armed formation of the kiev regime. such a defeat that did not allow him to use these forces in the main direction. the actions of our armed forces in the donbass, all these goals were achieved, this is about these actually endless statements by various experts that we ran away from somewhere? we did something there, and so on. the ministry of defense explains that this is a regrouping and a certain one should begin, and the second one in turn. actually, the stages of this special operation are returning this schedule, these positions are the very goals that we declared right away on the very first day, some goals

were achieved, some goals were not achieved. and so i want you to actually tell me, what do you think of point one, the demilitarization carried out history or not. well, it's obvious that there is no eh well, how can it be executed from continuing hostilities, demilitarization is a more global story. here the point is that these are unconditionally formulated first and fourth first and fourth. well, there should be transcripts of these shadows and different participants in the negotiations. all this is interpreted in different ways and hmm to decide on this in my opinion. difficult is missing here. here is zero. in my opinion. there is not enough zero to make things easier . look, it means demilitarization, what i mean this about the more clashes that are going on, especially the liquidation of the military potential of ukraine and its limitations. the armed forces can assume that this position has been fulfilled, you know, i don't know if you can even answer

this question yourself well. let's move on, if we take denazification, then the fourth point is the prohibition of nazism, neo-nazism in ukraine, the status of the russian language as the second state language, apparently, in some final position in any case. now you can also speak in status russian language throughout, that is happening. well, what are the nuclear countries about there, the second story is about the creation of nuclear weapons and restrictions to advance. uh, the fact is that in each paragraph there are subparagraphs, but until zero has been completed, until active hostilities have ceased. only people continue to bend, no guarantee will not return, but you understand in these active actions. you saw it with your own eyes, they are dying, like people who support nationalists, like people who are against but how can you say that without death people who themselves live there, this is a blind

grandmother. yes, you, like such people are dying there, this will contribute to peace will not contribute to peace , negotiations will contribute to peace, and a new death of russian-speaking people will not contribute to the return of the status of the russian language, the claim to tell will not contribute without victory there will be no status of the russian language without victory people who want to speak russian. although for children to study russian and so on. yes, people who want to go there on may 9 to their memorials, people, who want to study each person. all this without victory i won’t be victory because, perhaps, a huge number of people, well, not huge, but significant will say that victory is when we stand on the border with poland and others will say when we stand along the line along another line. okay, now i'll say it again. okay, now we'll figure it out, when people stop, we'll figure out what will happen, which means victory. we'll be back at this studio, buzzing in a few minutes, and continuing our conversation

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true, we continue to talk with our guests, but have you heard the situation in ukraine, right? what nikolay is talking about, negotiations, yes, that is, these negotiations must be conducted so that no one actually dies, and so on. it all clear. this is understandable, but we can stop all this here and now, but then these people, whom we protect today, they will simply be cut out and there will be no blind, grandmother there will be no one. this is one of the topics of the negotiations. you know how many topics for negotiations one of the topics is firstly, and about it. well, they started saying a little, well, this is not enough an exchange of prisoners of war. there is no need to fall upon the international red sea, we still separate the chair. it's not necessary, it's a national organization. this is not a government humanitarian organization. this is the un council of europe. this is a national organization. we can do it ourselves without their participation. maybe, well, if we can, then, and i want to

really note that we have initiated contacts with russian ministries and indeed the international red cross is the only one who has not joined. uh, in this topic in these uh in these messages russian red cross, by the way, are in contact, but the international red cross is really. he is limited, including the understanding that if he e it’s not very easy to turn on, it will be possible to hang many not successes, many failures, but the topic of the exchange of prisoners, ensuring their safety by the dead, but finding out the fate of the missing . this is directly the zero topic of any negotiations now. and if it is possible that negotiations will finally take place between uh, putin and zelensky, if this happens and this topic will also be discussed. but if at least some people survive after this, this is already unconditional. a plus. well, in the end , i'll say it again, it's all the same. no negotiations between putin and beyden, who needs to stop

calling names already, this will not help anyone at all, but it is obvious to sit down at the negotiating table. there is a statement by our minister of foreign affairs regarding these same negotiations. i see everything, let's go for a second. we see the results of the talks that took place in istanbul yesterday as a positive step forward. this is not the final result yet. but the fact that the ukrainian negotiators confirmed the need to ensure non-nuclear non-bloc status ukraine confirmed the need to ensure their security outside the framework of the north atlantic alliance. i believe that this is a significant progress , just as i consider progress in understanding, and ukrainian colleagues. and the fact that the issues of crimea and donbass are finally resolved. this is a statement from our foreign minister. now we look ukrainian. actually theses about these negotiations. let's see show me.

ukraine is ready to fix its non-bloc status to conduct military exercises only by agreement guarantor states, including, uh, including russia, the guarantor state, in general, a tricky move, in fact, that is, we are not going to nato, but at the same time there will be some states one of these countries - this is italy, remember that this call of the prime minister, who told the italian that the ukrainians asked him to italy for a second. this is not a nato country for us. and for sure, they will want britain to be present there. of course, of course, the americans, of course, the germans, and there will be almost the entire nato bloc, and this will be mean the non-bloc status of ukraine will mean the readiness to be a guarantor for the time being, yes, it was confirmed only in the uk and germany officially the uk said that the uk made another statement to the uk sergey borisovich she made a statement that kiev in no

case should sign any agreements with moscow great britain is the country of the guarantor, the country of the guarantor, we will listen to you. it's just that when they started talking about the fact that e negotiations are excellent agreements. well, firstly, if you list it here, take it now, display everything clauses of the minsk agreements. that's all you wanted, there is an exchange of prisoners and cessions of territory to each other and the disengagement of troops. and i’ll even remind you that the europeans were ordered to control, except for one point. they have fulfilled at least one point in 8 years, you know, signing agreements, they know how they will fulfill the only way to find out, they drowned the only real peacemaker who is really capable of bringing peace is a russian soldier. here he is just now bringing peace, you know? then question. yes, it remains only to persuade ukraine in this ukraine, no one persuaded just guarantees with ukraine red way friends. let's look

now at vladisl's map. i have one request for you. let's show the map, we just have an operational map, yes, look. and you, as a military expert, are an absolutely brilliant expert. so, please tell me what is the second stage of our special operation, which our ministry of defense spoke about, how will it look like? well, if i can even just show i was from here. well, i don’t know how to show it, but from here, that means, uh, we take districts, raisins. here we look. uh, down to zaporizhzhia, yes energadara. i think we will see very soon. on this spot. everything is correct, a red-painted line, this is also a slavic, bloodthirst. uh, that's all there is blue shaded and red. no, no, blue. let 's just leave the first one in the first stage, the blue one will be in a full circle. yeah, there's nothing left of that blue. naturally. in this case, over mariupol, well, it will cease to be like that. blue and

this strip, which i said raisins, will also turn red, it will continue to stretch forward to the left bank, and i do not exclude at all that at the same time we will have to deal with the demilitarization of nikolaev and the odessa region, and in this case there will be a second stage before that, but that doesn't mean there won't be a third. if anything will. and here's a second. i want to clarify what will be e in the direction of kharkov a. poltava kharkov is there, i don’t know, kiev is the same, you understand, now, firstly, you need to understand that after the liquidation, here this grouping will definitely change a very strong mood, because today's current cheers we are holding on. and if i regularly read, ukrainian publics, there, in general, the russians have been defeated, it is discussed there when the parade on red square will be supported by blockade banners. yes, there, if you read, i also read ukrainian publics, and there save mariupol there are all these statements. yes, we mean ukraine, it was all about two weeks ago, but

at the same time, again, there are more than 150 of our planes shot down, 500 tanks, 22,000 russians were destroyed destroyed, you understand, you need to understand that they are in this discourse, but when suddenly in front of you, you know how stalingrad once fell for the germans, it became a shock, a shock for the nation, you understand, when it turns out that mariupol is a pao, and the groups in the donbass there is no longer the most combat-ready i repeat. there were 75,000 before the start of hostilities. and when someone, maybe, breaks out of there, they will begin to tell what happened there, then the mood will be completely different. second. after we we're doing an earthquake. you asked whether it was carried out or not, beslan has not been carried out to the end. we have undermined ukraine's ability to attack; they are no more, they have no mechanized formations. they don't have aviation, they don't have anything that can make something long, you know? you can, like him, such a bed you can sit in cities, but it’s already impossible to step on. they understand this very well, and so after

that's exactly done. will and this part of the landarization, then the city in this case it is not necessary to storm. we can calmly to block the opening of those same humanitarian corridors, by the way, along with the red cross, whatever you want. come out please, we have nowhere else to hurry. you see, people sitting in these cities are free to go to all four sides of the nazis who are trying to fight there. well, let them sit, you know, they will sit there for a long time. i wanted to say, here's the question, let's see how long they will sit, because after your army is defeated, they cut you to pieces all the time. and the most important thing from your industry less and less every month. i think that then a lot of people begin to sober up, and that's what it is. here is the second stage. yes, you know, neither the general staff nor plans are shown. in this case, i will say from how, you know, how i see it, i understand, yes alekseeva now a second, so we are the first whether we like it or not. this is a sad thought, i will say right away, but cruelty, and extreme

forms of cruelty. this is part of the military culture of central and western ukraine let's remember the civil war, as it would seem in our country red white, much more unacceptable, and then from kolchak from denikin they created the flying squads for the exchange of prisoners of war, remember what happened in ukraine ? what were there? flying detachments with a noose with skoropadsky with someone else? yes, no bestial even cruelty, which surpassed everything conceivable here, and when our dear expert correctly said what kind of army it is, which measures its victories by the number of destroyed houses and civilians, but again, i remember the civil war in ukraine after all. generally. it they then created there, if you call a spade a spade, that is, it is a kind of stable culture that we need to understand and keep in mind. this is the first moment of the second, and about

what. why are they shelling revenge, of course, but i think it’s not only revenge that they are trying to create a favorable background for themselves in negotiations. after all , look how they send the thirty-sixth day of the operation. and we are still fighting the thirty-sixth day of the operation. and we are still shelling, donetsk is the thirty-sixth day of the operation. and this is what we are trying yes, russian deposits. oh so they lose. they are being created in our captivity for the western man in the street. here is such a special picture uh-huh, and now the third moment can be deduced once again the terms of a possible peace agreement with ukraine, it turns out if you look at them, that they receive security guarantees , they still retain some kind of army. even if they refuse the formally prescribed neutral status, they only refuse the desire to return the crimea and donbass by military means , they officially do not recognize it. with the low truth, a

crimea is not officially recognized by the donbass, that is, the question is. even now, look about the crimea, sevastopol , an agreement was reached with the russian side. he says that he will take a break for 15 years and hold bilateral negotiations, and it was agreed on the status of these territories that military operations will not be conducted for 15 weeks, 15 years, until all these negotiations are carried out. yes, it will be even worse. i 'm afraid a lot. see what's happening now? well, let's say we signed this, we are simulating a scenario in ukraine of dancing, that russia lost banderov yesterday remained her roots. after 3-4 years. we get a new bandera mine, and try after it, resume the military operation in ukraine when it is under the guarantees of great britain, germany and turkey. and now we have a potential conflict. with these countries, it is three times for them, let's think about

starting lily to resume a new military operation there under the americans and the british and they are pursuing this peace plan, which will look like our defeat. return please back we remove far away. come back there. here is this story the previous one, but there are also good positions there. look at the very look here. yes, they are renouncing nuclear weapons and other types of weapons of mass destruction, which is also interesting in detail, if they refuse, then they were working on it, if not work. and why is that what they have and so there is no easier. from what you already don’t have for a second. eat away other types of weapons of mass destruction. they would say, listen to us and there is nothing to discuss. we have um. no. they seem to have nothing to discuss from the creation from the creation of all this sergey borisovich from the

creation, if they did not try to create anything. why talk about it? well, why were they talking about it? in my opinion, this is an attempt to profitably exchange from a pistol. michael will say. i just never had this gun in my life. well, that's all, let them scream calmly. the aggressor has imposed everything on us, and we are morally free to stop at any moment. they went, well, about the fact that peace negotiations are an end in themselves and saving lives. i thought so, he is a representative, here in july 44, we would the allies said about the goal at any cost, peace with germany, and then people die. how do the germans die and the french die and the belarusians, and let's urgently make peace with hitler. here is the horse. uh-huh yes alexander right now michael is completely wrong with any dimensional talks. they should be based on something - a guarantee of a peaceful, normal

world in ukraine and the development of ukraine - this is the successful completion of a special operation. if the change of the current government, which with which how many do not negotiate. well, let's put it simply throws opposition at everyone, so here, if you zelensky came to, say, the elections with poroshenko, who unleashed, e, poroshenko developed the massacre in ukraine, and zelensky came with a peaceful initiative to bring the peace process to an end and bring minsk one minus two to its logical conclusion crossed out completely, therefore remembering the words. e, taras bulba from the work of gogol e, do not believe it, they will sell it, therefore, bringing the operation to the end. yes, it is logical. the first second third stage, as you already said, here and so the change of power and then relish, which the responsibility of the authorities, which will be, in ukraine, the responsibility for the people for their country to negotiate with them. can i remind you will take it to stop? what was the moment

for such a president to stop with the current ones who today represent the armed forces of ukraine; today it is impossible to agree on those who tortured our people with them. the only thing they have is the only vaccination that happened? an international court, but a court of a tribunal with the help of special intelligence services, as far as? yes i am with i agree with you, but at the same time, yanukovych was given guarantees and the same countries were by and large the guarantors, you know, no, of faith in general, these deodorants. well, in general, what is happening now suggests that vera did not sign any agreements at all, and we first need negotiations, of course, we need them to know that there are alternatives , because there is no alternative , and when they scold the minsk agreements, what they do is right because , of course, they were not fulfilled. only none of them fell out, but while the minsk agreements were in place, there was still no active combat phase, that is

, to conduct negotiations. as a result of these negotiations, some document should appear, but there is absolutely no faith in this document. and you don't understand what to do? yes, and yet another strange story. there is some kind of note with abramovich, and a note from zelensky is handed over to putin. putin tears it up in a rage. i will destroy you. what the hell, come on, we'll take a break right now, come back to this studio in just a few minutes and continue conversation with our guests. and i'll show you the results of a survey we conducted on the ntv website in the nizhny novgorod region, a single woman is brutally murdered. no one guessed the death of a woman, only the beginning of a chain of tragic events, and then a maniac appeared in the city for a little girl. whether these murders are connected with each other, people will

retell each other stories about a ghost that appears from nowhere from where it takes life and disappears even a trace, what kind of monster is capable of such cruelty experienced manipulators, it will tearfully paint their poor decisions, by the way, around the neck on the trail of a monster. tomorrow tomorrow 18:00 on ntv i thought that you would show up in the capture group, and you with only one horse. but this is unmeasured for his sake; he sacrificed his career because of a horse and left for the province. i thought you were just a freak with this horse of yours, and you are completely sick now with a local criminal

. as a child, it does not force without so much chingachkov stayed from monday at 20:00 on ntv this program is true, we continue to talk with our guests about the situation in ukraine and once again, that is, there are some negotiations that we are conducting and no one argues with this that any negotiations. it's always better than fighting. this is the obvious story. yes, but at the same time, as a result of these negotiations, something like this should appear, and in the form of some kind of document this document should guarantee that during the remaining, as they say, period of time nothing bad will happen here, 15. at least 10 years is not necessary for everyone, there are some

countries that say that we seem to be ready, but it seems to be not ready. yes? here we go, let's go. uh, here you are, here is zakharova yes, make a statement the white house said that the united states is not yet ready to specifically talk about the possibility of becoming a security guarantor for jewelry. yes, further, it means, uh, the white house would take upon itself the obligation to maintain peace in this country, but in the plans of the american liberal democrats. this is not included in the delivery weapons, only white laboratories, only manual control of puppet regimes to destabilize the situation in europe, that's the statement of maria vladimirovna yes, michael, what do you say? yes, with regard to the guarantee of ukraine's security, this is the key point. this is the most important point in ukraine, without which if he does not agree, therefore, these points, then there will be no peace agreement. and it’s clear that ukraine means when it asks for guarantees, they mean,

first of all, it can be exclusively the united states because what a corruption. to guarantee the safety of a small porsche or even israel, ukraine has turned on. well, for sure, not russia as a mountain of security, because ukraine has swallowed all these russian security guarantees, but dubai is a mountain of strikes for you, and from russia, this is lomanov. here is the key point that the us they are eager to, and without providing to provide this edge. uh, security guarantee, what's the problem? why anyway? well, that is, you want a conflict of a new conflict to the united states then, if they gave guarantees, you will have to ensure a closed sky over ukraine to beat the plane, that is, directly get involved in the conflict. i argue a little differently. i america whatever. i am

very, very american. i love ukraine well, just like that. child native i love ukraine so much. she is now suffering from the fact that her bad russia offends her there. but i have to protect it so that no ukrainian would ever suffer there again, but, it turns out, no. michael turns out to be only weapons and it’s not the evening, of course, but so far there is no particular desire, but to become this guarantor, but i don’t very admissible, a and y, which is why i am very pessimistic, because if if the usa if ukraine cannot persuade the usa if there is no guarantee, then there will be no, uh, peace agreement, and this conflict will last for a very, very long time. well, yes, very, very long, but very, very long. yes how many 10-20 years old 30 years old roman but, let's say, let's say they agree now, let's say? uh-huh that is, but there is mercy in the hearts of americans, and they are ready to

provide already sounds like a fairy tale. well, yes, yes, this will be a big problem for me. for russia because what than in fact. how is the fifth article different?