does she get killed? uh-huh that's when there will be a top, then come yes, that's something like that. well, it 's like, too, you can say that this is a special case, yes, i inform you the day before last i was alone. uh, transmission. well, like this is the meeting place, but on one italian channel. i mean, ah, there was some ukrainian journalist in the studio. unfortunately, i don’t remember his last name now, and on a remote connection there was the notorious alexei bobrovsky with russia 24. yes, yes, i know him very well. he is probably one of the most phlegmatic people, with which i am generally familiar with, that is, it is directly impossible to knock it out. he is such a kind, good decent guy. in short, at some point live on the italian channel, where the russian language is natural. no one knows the ukrainian switched to russian in direct text on the air sent it to i will naturally not repeat this

. and what bobrovsky said. you see, they insult me ​​in russian live on the italian channel. here is his answer. my colleague translator translated uh-huh and here's what it was specifically said that there was no translation, but the worst thing is, or because they simply didn’t understand, but the worst thing is not the worst thing, what’s next for a ukrainian journalist. again he switched to italian and began to threaten him with reprisal on the air. he said, uh, he won't live his day. be careful, there and so on. here the journalist interfered with the reaction of the public. spectators sitting next to the guests. what was the discussion like? that is, you imagine that here someone would allow himself another opponent to threaten him with reprisal against him

already arrested. well, they will not arrest, nevertheless. we would have stopped it rather quickly. yes, thank you, anatolyevich ivan sergeevich well , andrei vladimirovich is missing, he sometimes likes to decorate with jokes. but here i am immediately reminded of an anecdote that, ukrainians, they arrived in europe and in a month europe will call russia and say. sorry, we understand what 's wrong. as ukrainians, i am very ashamed of these people, because in reality it, well, shows the worst parts of our mentality, which unfortunately formed. but this is really an objective picture, because we from europe write exactly the same thing from the countries of the balka and western europe from germany, and so on. tell me, but this degree, which has now risen in connection with the military operation, is in general. uh, the hope that this degree will drop back to normal, that is, the coexistence of normal conversation and so on, because, well, on the one hand, we are one people. yes , on the other hand. it's hard for me to imagine that this granny somehow starts again normally

to talk, which he shows her and this girl there are thousands of small special cases, just a separate phone. it wasn’t the granny who beat her, there with these flags. there are some possessions. is there a chance that this degree will go away, but for this , the information flows to the content must change. forgive me if the italian newspaper stanpa places a strike on donetsk and writes that this is kiev, if another publication also writes shows a house destroyed by these ukrainian castles. yes, in donetsk they write that this is also a ukrainian city. how can you hope that this degree will somehow fall. as a result, ours should be directed at us. no. that's it. here are the informational ones, no matter what kind of flow we have. sorry. this , unfortunately, does not affect the inhabitants of italy germany about me, i did not want this for the inhabitants of ukraine but unfortunately, russian propaganda is aimed. here are almost all types of russian propaganda worked very poorly for ukraine. yes, there i learn very poorly,

moreover, they will not forget in ukrainian. they live in tens of millions of people who have practically no ukraine speaking them at all, well , there was very little russian propaganda that was and is being directed at them now and in terms of, can these people understand, really military operations, they always lead like this or otherwise, as an exasperation, does this mean that this grandmother, if she will even be there, will still be there, but others will live, and refugees, who are really millions there, we can look at the relationship. uh, some at least some of those who left after the revolution the civil war hated the soviet government hated. yes, many continued to hate, but there were those who returned to the soviet union, who were they? according to them, whoever accepted the new power, do not even return. therefore, from this point of view, it is not necessary to demonize all refugees. basically. these are ordinary people who are running from bombs, rockets, shelling of any kind, there may be people who can not find it in any way. they are different. you

yourself began to say that our propaganda somehow did not work. did not work. she is not because she was there poorly informed, and so on there was no technical possibility, even to see us. i can tell you, i didn’t share this story with you, so sometimes a girl helps me with cleaning the house, olya, she herself is from a family near lugansk. she's all in e, lnr now. and i talked to her. actually, how is it perceived there? she speaks in a different way , the people sitting there absolutely began to talk, that’s for something from the other side, as she says, but alexey alekseevich can be not only good, look, indeed, the situation is significant degree depends on propaganda flows on the one hand, and on the other hand, it is necessary to increase the quality of this flow, perhaps the mistake was that they did not broadcast in ukrainian. uh, i think conclusions will be drawn, but now in europe you asked how to lower the degree, we are witnessing a legal incident, because this is already the sphere of the right , it is no longer the sphere of emotions as long as there are

installations to ensure that do not touch the ukrainians so that they, uh, express their point of view. even in such an obscene way. uh, while law enforcement bodies, special services will be inactive, and this degree will grow and take ugly forms, which we have now observed impunity. quite right. i think the borders here will be, uh, the end of a special military operation. after that, a lot of things will change, but here is a little different. uh, our dear western partners, who let ukrainian refugees into their land. uh, they, unfortunately, let into their territory also the contingent that their special services trained in ukraine, and this contingent will continue. this is not the one contingent. to see ethnic ukrainian crime on the territory of uh, european states, people with very specific skills and uh, will not act primarily in the ukrainian environment. and this will be a very serious problem for ukrainian and european intelligence services. because

uh, as is the case with the albanian ethnic groups. they'll be dealing with the woman's arms dealing in drugs and all that stuff. here. eh, and i think, in fact, that the crisis situation is not for us in the first place. she is a crisis for europe yes, the program really wanted propaganda, but they were indignant at propaganda. the first is that we did not have a clear ideology of a clear image, what to offer before, in fact, we could not offer a common russian dialogue. because we have no one formed it. and no one offered it to the ukrainians. i am ukrainian. so i took it myself, i found it. i found her as a survivor. i've been doing this for 30 years. i found books. my library can no longer fit in my apartment, the second is that technically we could and now cannot investigate something. here is alexey timofey sputnik satellite was banned everywhere rt was banned, how technically it was possible to convey something, and thirdly, you greatly exaggerate the popularity of the ukrainian language. in ukraine, they just needed information flows 87% of its population of ukraine, on requests for everything , should western ukraine prefer the russian language,

even in search queries, everything in ukraine alekseevich yes, you can’t underestimate and overestimate the role of propaganda, but it’s all about money map where the fighting is going on. and we understand that not all people, but left, kharkov for example, but not all people left, kharkov in kharkov and mariupol, not all people will die. right now, khodakovsky is writing there, offering people from mariupol a girl who lost her apartment to move to donetsk , she does not move, because she has her own apartment. it is important to go somewhere, of course, including shelling, but a huge number of people. i would say half do not know, i have no data, but just for a good life for the dough. let's go for loot. they went to europe. for a month they did not have such a salary. it is absolutely right to receive benefits in hope. so to say find a better life and so on the fish are looking for, where better man did. uh, when alexei gennadievich look, if these people call this out of cynical enough motives. decided as you say, you think so

seize seize seize the moment. and what is called getting some kind of ukrainian visa, a european visa for ukrainians, a residence permit, yes, and so on. so then they if they act out of cynical feelings, they must continue to remain in this feeling, they emotionally go to both russians and russian speakers. you understand if you if you think in terms of money, you continue with money. and when we are in a vacuum, yes, in some area you really are in the information space. everyone understands perfectly well that it was 8 years in ukraine where they lived, and here we are returning to the role of propaganda. they come to europe, they see all these headlines , they see that they really want to support. they are themselves involved in this story. and actually the exit to a simple one more time, if in russia there was a pension of 2,500 euros, kharkiv residents would be in their teeth, and on their knees they would bring you understand about a pension of 2,500 euros, perhaps in russia you will trade in

every program very convenient for these it will be necessary to have a very striking argument, alexei gennadievich , his feature is very convenient, but let’s not work, let’s now show you a few more european countries where they come, otherwise you will have refugees, which means, despite all kinds of support measures that they promise 2,500 euros 700 euros, everything is really not so welcoming there. come on, that there was almost no money left to support ukrainian refugees in norway before they announced that they were ready to help, but only temporarily and they hope that they will return to you soon, in france, the authorities have already prepared programs for the deportation of ukrainians to their homeland and are just waiting for a convenient moment, and not the neighbors to stop sending echelons with refugees, and the german reception centers are simply closed without explanation. reasons we were expelled from the camp. well, who would not say, this is true? here is a bag for me. there is no one else in the camps

, for an hour and a half already, for an hour and a half, no one has been sitting for an hour and a half, no one explains anything. we lost our documents somewhere. in short, i don’t know about something i don’t understand. children. they are just sitting on the floor great britain, which more than others demands to help ukraine itself accept refugees from there, is in no hurry to demand visas from ukrainians and they also scare them with tales about wild agents of the kremlin who, under the guise of ukrainian women, can get on the island to commit biological or chemical attacks a handful of people introduced by vladimir putin into the flow of innocent refugees can sow complete chaos in the uk, most refugees, not only men, but also women, remain in ukraine to fight, so it would be naive and wrong to believe that only a man is capable of unleashing terrorist attacks on british soil, dissatisfied with the refugees and the attitude of the united states on the eve of the american wall street journal

wrote a warning to ukrainians translated statistics from the state department, according to over the past year, about 16,000 afghan citizens wanted to immigrate to the united states, but america has not allowed entry to a single person. on paper, there is a program, there is some kind of process, but it is nominal. the most important thing is that the american authorities do not have political will, and it should only be in such a way that the intention will turn into a big and reliable business alexander nikolayevich the feeling that they are not very welcome already there. yes, i think that at first they were somehow not very happy. and even though i spoke and wrote about the fact that ukrainians are still better than syrians, but the problem is that first, you need to understand clearly, the west, in my opinion, did not understand this, judging by the video, no one is ever afraid back. this is all forever. second, i agree. just do not

agree with the thesis that half. i think that 80 percent of people just rushed under the guise and never got them out. you say it won’t succeed, if the syrians, there and so on, they somehow outwardly possess, then these, which, apart from languages, do not have differences, then do not confuse impotence propaganda and its insufficient funding with banal everyday rudeness. and a boor who still feels, namely, such moods reign now on facebook, because the ukrainian republic is represented there, the organization is blocked. i should say this because you mentioned services. yes it is. here it is forbidden. here, but in a boor who feels victory and not a pack of that, the premise of victory is a terrible phenomenon and they don’t understand this in the west, therefore, in fact, if the west finds in itself moral legal and

physical strength in order to these people, well, again, 80 percent and someday i will not say when to return back. well, i just, well, i wo n’t eat, of course, a hat, but with him i definitely think i’ll never find it. andrey nikolayevich you see, when we look at these shots. this is in many ways just the same product of ukraine itself over the past eight years, when ukrainians were indoctrinated here. ukrainian-centricity that you are an advanced outpost of the civilized world, you fought against the orcs. and now you're going to receive compensation for the fact that you fought, therefore, naturally, everything should be arranged here, for you here you should be accepted with open arms. here you must delete everyone who does not suit you. and accordingly, this is what such an inner world of ukraine was created. this is again a question in europe, but i spoke about something else here, my husband somehow again embarked on a reflection about what is not enough and

not good. we worked with ukrainians and mine will start with the fact that it began more dehumanizing than the same donbass not even in 2014 and the division within itself, so to speak, is an active radical part of ukrainian society into varieties. here, here, the crimea is wrong, here, here, the donbass is wrong , here, these wrong things started for a long time. this was noticeable even in the presidential elections, when we told our brother, you are not voting like that, you are pro-russian, yes, territories, and another state is quite difficult for you to conduct propaganda. if you don’t have leverage on this, but we, on the contrary, treated ukraine for many years on the basis of the principle of non-intervention after the fact, there begins the orange revolution and before we were not there in the active phase. we didn't exist there. really anti-pro-russian parties did not arise or be created there. organizations were not created. there it is work, in general it was started up on its own. therefore, what has grown has grown, because the position for many years was we will work with whoever the ukrainian people choose from what the ukrainian people themselves, on the other hand, may not ask, but then,

my dears, the question is not even in russia. are you seriously talk about the fact that we had to explain that it is bad to burn people, that to single out people who are shooting there in lugansk in donetsk in horlivka, you need to explain that this is bad. you me. sorry, we really had to convey to someone that the idea of ​​a dealer, a self-control, which has been carried out for years. it is necessary to convey to the person nonsense, which is not the perception of a little bit. there were people there, like kotsaba, who were trying to do something. means talk about what you could with people who let themselves burn with them it is useless to talk to them they have been doing for 30 years. they have been doing it for 30 years. we didn't do a damn thing for it, but apart from this slide in what can be burned, and others agreed with it. that's the thing to work with those. who was silent at this moment. here is our audience. here is our story. they were afraid, they were afraid, they are afraid of 15% if they

are afraid it is useless to work with it. you see, this is the problem, because it was not the russian army that was supposed to resist these nazis, and for 8 years he talked about it. and if you don't have ridge for resistance, then how much does it not tell you? ai-ai-ai, just don't touch me. oh, they killed a neighbor there. well, he raised something there, the wrong flag. oh, they fired him, because he had a badge there, a little arch, not the same one, and i'm sitting here, quietly. i don't touch anyone. you don't touch me at all. this is the most terrible position. this is the main thing. problems, wait, wait for me and just victor joseph he didn't say a full line, but he threw some phrases. what do you want to say? what's what's what happened in odessa, what happened with the shelling of luhansk, you attribute it to the shortcomings of our information work. i understood you correctly, the argument is better to do nothing. it was better to work. victor is a fact, and russia was not able to effectively use soft power in ukraine for a number of reasons, if russia was able to

effectively use soft power in ukraine, then the military feeds specifically on the people who are responsible, who are responsible for the bombing. lugansk no with them with them you can to work with soft power ivan long bombings, when it was the 14th year of the doctor from the first maidan to the second maidan, 10 thousand people passed, in my opinion, on our program the week when we showed the textbooks. according to the stories that have been in use there in ukraine since 1991. and that in these history textbooks it was directly stated that the russian scoundrels are occupiers, and so on and so forth. this is not a question of our soft power. this is a question. this is a matter of decisions made there as to which direction people are swimming if russian soft power is not capable of anything, generally affects, yes, then they vector are people who, unfortunately,

do not understand soft power, only hard power is needed, soft power is ineffective, then life is needed. absolutely. right. i literally in a nutshell. that's probably about all these people, there are intimidated, there and so on. all of my probably remember the shots, when in 46-47, german women were specially sent to different concentration camps. they came out of there in tears and all unanimously claimed we did not know. this is enough for you, i personally do not, at such a level that didn't know, i'm no longer interested. and it's important to say more. i agree with viktor. listen, so as not to seem unnecessarily expensive who were burned in the house of the trade unions of our people yes, our people, and who were spat upon and pelted with stones in kharkov and the people who tried something with the st. george lenochka, these people were not enough, because we

are ours this is our omission should not be enough, because there had to be 15 times more 15 times more so that they are there, otherwise they are such there is such an english word, i didn’t immediately tell him russian analogue will be found. this is when the victim is accused of having committed crimes against her. yes , now you are exactly equal and doing this now. just think about it igor sergeevich well, firstly, i would like to stand up for the people of ukraine . neighbors are being killed, you endure, i remind you in the fourteenth year, when a coup d'état was carried out, an armed coup d'état of the east, the south of ukraine rebelled, a people not organized by any party there was no pro-russian and anti-bandera. it was. spontaneous popular uprising. in kharkov it was

suppressed in dnepropetrovsk it was suppressed in odessa it was defiantly suppressed by burning people, so to say that the ukrainian people deserve the fate that he turned out to be. sorry, and i think it’s absolutely wrong that donbass was able to defend its own, but it rebelled, i repeat the whole east and south and how many people were in other territories who were forced to flee, so you don’t need to blame the entire ukrainian people for being accomplices of bandera on the street in the city of zaporozhye so 300 people, the population of the city of zaporolikov. that's right, knowing what for them this ring can mean. everything, the rest of the population of the city of zaporozhye took place that the rest of the population set. i want to say that there were these 300 heroes who came out and it’s not necessary, therefore, to state what i need to say, what i don’t need to do, please, let’s, i will speak, i will say what i think is necessary and i think what is necessary take. what does it mean what troubles mean, lord, i

said what it is that you don't like it. this is your problem. i say that this is not how the lord defends the end, so that the second is not so further. that's what we really need now is a degree of vincin. there is very strong. this is clear. and now we really need instead of throwing all our strength into the struggle for public opinion. e in europe there and so on. now we need to focus on the struggle for public opinion, for the identification of the people, ukraine. we need a whole thoughtful information recovery company. the spiritual health of the nation, which for 8 years was poisoned and poisoned informationally, and this is our task, because we want to have one people and a friendly ukraine , therefore, salvation, drowning people, is the work of the

drowning people themselves. this is our task. i'm afraid. i'm just not 8 years old last. let's. we will now break and the final question. for 3 months, the woman lost her eye and half of her face you don’t recognize me. nina come here, dear mother, lyudochka calm down show me i sincerely sympathize with you the family wants to know what's wrong it happened to her, and different diagnoses are made, of course, it’s hard for me and whether doctors can help their mother and grandmother.

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everything is already on the verge of a secret for a million brilliant ksenia novikova i am very confused, call the police and right from the beach on saturday at 21:30 on ntv the country of talents premiere on friday at 21:00 on ntv this is the meeting point on ntv the place where everything is it becomes clear at the beginning traditionally already invited you to subscribe to our telegram channel. now a qr code appears in the corner of the screen. you can take your cell phone and turn on the camera and immediately the link will open. there, in addition to the fact that we usually published all kinds of jokes on social networks vladimirovich but today there will be no all kinds, which means selected places from our conversation. the chat also works very well. i've seen over a thousand comments in one issue. so if you want to write something, something about something,

your heart hurts. can i to myself i'll be honest, i have all these comments. well, not all, of course, but some people look through a lot of bad and good things about themselves, which means, and our question is this, in fact . igor sergeevich our e, us to this question and prompted what the first step in the company should be for this informational or spiritual recovery of ukraine, andrey nikolayevich, you know, i think that the real spiritual recovery of ukraine will only begin here over the nazi criminals in the city of kiev, everything else is too formal. and it’s not here that we need to understand the full depth of the fall and realize it, then we can talk about real recovery stanislav ollegch, of course, the cessation of hostilities, because now people are in a at the limit of nerves. even here, we are sitting in moscow in safety, and the people i communicate with in kiev and in other cities. in general, there you first need to end the hostilities, and only then begin to start somehow communicating with those

people who have already switched to the ukrainian language, but who are already ready to curse. and all russians, as such. unfortunately, moreover , the people that i knew before, there for many years, who were quite russian-speaking and even, probably, some kind of pro-russian neutral attitude towards russia. alexey alekseevich reshaga. uh, after we implement our soft power in the form of the modernized armed forces of the russian federation and complete a special military operation, it will be necessary to have a tribunal on the territory of ukraine and ukrainians must try their nazi criminals. well, the third step, of course. the beginning of the restoration of the start of the restoration of civil infrastructure, because it will solve so many problems. but this is not the first step. this is a whole whole position. ah, but uh, spiritual health. you can say, mental health can be said, mental illness is alcoholism, and as we know perfectly well, an alcoholic will never admit that he is an alcoholic and because he is sick, but this does not mean that those around him should not help him. first step. in my opinion, in this recovery, if it is possible, it consists in supporting the refugees of support, and the refugees of the people who

have now left both for europe and for russia bogdan that, if possible, in short, a complete , unconditional, large-scale military victory is the main basic and the only condition for the spiritual and informational recovery of ukraine are all other steps. everything has already been described, well, about informational and spiritual healing. i still do not write regularly on social networks, including people from ukraine, someone writes cursing someone writes, on the contrary. thank you because for 8 years people have been watching one thing, and now it turns out that it was different, so if we were talking about the first step, and not about some, then the list is big, then, probably, just russian tv channels. turn on then people will understand better. it was a meeting point that cannot be changed on weekdays at 14:00, goodbye. hello

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